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\"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:05,251 --> 00:00:09,092\n接下來請李英請召委質詢好謝謝請葉次長請次長三號這個會期第一次跟次長見面那我想首先就是要跟您談這個重中之重七年基本法這個七年基本法在我上上個會期當召委的時候我就有排公聽會那這是我在進來立法院之後\n\n2\n00:00:34,161 --> 00:00:48,546\n舉辦公聽會參與委員最多的一次有二十幾位的立法委員來參與發言那可見大家對於這個今年基本法的共識是相當的高所以我想這個今年基本法\n\n3\n00:00:49,986 --> 00:01:06,873\n我們在這個會期的首週就拍案也代表我們每個人對這個法的重視那所以我們都很期待我們可以儘早提出院版那剛剛您回答柯之恩委員是說這個會期一定會送來立法院是不是\n\n4\n00:01:07,293 --> 00:01:25,152\n是跟委員報告我們現在剛才提到說布版已經出來了所以我們現在在跟這個地方政府還有各部會在做協調我們預計在一個月內完成協調之後就報院然後預告然後然後這個就報院然後我們預期在這個會期之內應該就院版是可以出來的好\n\n5\n00:01:25,532 --> 00:01:48,682\n期待這個速度還是期待你去push一下那因為青年議題是近年來國人越來越重視青年到底是什麼樣的群體我想長期您在大學擔任教授也跟青年在一起那麼多年那青年就是最有吸引的思維跟最有行動力最有理想性所以他會是社會運作很大強大的助力\n\n6\n00:01:50,323 --> 00:02:10,111\n所以我想青年在社會上他面臨就業也好就學啊創業居住很多的這個議題其實他相對的薄弱所以我想我們為什麼要有這個青年基本法就是要透過這樣的一個根本大法來支撐他有一些執法來幫忙他然後有一個整盤的計畫\n\n7\n00:02:11,551 --> 00:02:29,052\n那像您擔任大學那麼多年的老師那您在大學端看到的就是說孩子目前青年面臨到困境除了我剛講的這些所謂的就業、就學、創業、居住、健康等等這些議題你覺得還有一些困境是現在青年面臨到的困境嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:29,973 --> 00:02:49,283\n我覺得可能他有些困境是因為我們在整個台灣社會特別很多的家庭很多爸媽孩子對升學這個事情是很重視的包括這幾年這個很多人這個補習這個很多數據寫這個都是補全科的以前的年代就補一兩科現在爸媽就比較焦慮補全科所以很多孩子就是\n\n9\n00:02:50,023 --> 00:03:13,956\n到18歲之前他是不是有那個機會可以探索出自己真正的興趣跟方向這件事情是一個比較大的一個現在一個我覺得一個挑戰所以很多孩子他進了這個科系之後才發現這不是他要的因為他就是這個按照分數填按照薪水高低填填了以後才發現這不是他要的時候那這個其實就出現說他在在這個大學的求學過程中就變得很迷茫這個是一個有\n\n10\n00:03:15,737 --> 00:03:43,083\n部分青年在這個過程在在學期間覺得迷茫不知道自己的下一步發展在哪裡我想這個是現在我們青年問題裡面一個比較重要的要來一起來解決的一塊當然我想青年很多的問題不過說政府能幫忙的政府能具體幫忙的我知道近幾年其實政府推出很多相關的這個政策包括很多委員都有提及擴大租金的補貼拉近公私立這個學校學費的補貼\n\n11\n00:03:45,063 --> 00:04:01,748\n投資青年就業方案等等不過許多青年的事業就是分散在各個部會所以講白了就是說青年政策不是各部會的核心政策所以我們為什麼要這樣子來統整也是因為面臨到這樣的困境\n\n12\n00:04:03,649 --> 00:04:27,626\n那所以我想制定一個這樣青年基本法我們就是說希望用長遠的規劃跟眼光來展現我們對青年的支持我想很多青年的團體其實都眼睜睜的在看著我們怎麼樣對他們展現支持的態度那透過這個原則性跟指引性的這個法律規範我們可以引導各部會跟地方政府執行的地方政府\n\n13\n00:04:28,186 --> 00:04:46,059\n有一個相關的這個政策的指引那來激情回應地方這個青年的訴求那我想我們長期關心這個青年基本法的立法的進度那剛剛柯知恵委員也有提到這個進度確實是緩慢的我們在去年五月就辦了公聽會那\n\n14\n00:04:48,621 --> 00:05:02,337\n我們辦公室一直在詢問青年署這個進度那可是都回應都還是在收集意見的這個階段包括我們就是上個會期就是上上個會期辦公廳會\n\n15\n00:05:03,698 --> 00:05:27,915\n上個會期就問說那現在進度如何那你們就回答說現在還在收集意見研擬青年政策白皮書那到這個會期再次詢問那還是得到差不多答案沒有重大的進展那到今年三月底我們才看到說你們要到北中南東的大學去舉辦青年政策白皮書的公民對話的這個活動\n\n16\n00:05:29,756 --> 00:05:50,907\n市長我想青年署是你督導的範圍那你上任也有快一年我想你要不要簡要說明一下你對於制定這個青年基本法你做出哪些努力我想因為這個法牽扯到很多的部會其實從中央各個部會到地方政府他未來要扮演什麼角色都要在基本法裡面定出來\n\n17\n00:05:51,987 --> 00:06:08,983\n這個也就是為什麼可能青年署在過去是比較在這個世界上比較謹慎就覺得說這個應該我也不能只聽政府單位的意見青年的意見青年還有分很多地方不同還有不同的這個社經狀況的青年我們就希望我想這也是求好心切希望能夠\n\n18\n00:06:09,864 --> 00:06:30,163\n真的把這些東西都更能夠廣羅大意見所以我想這部分也很抱歉我們過去大概這個時間花的比較久但我想這個會期我們會很積極我想我們現在就是白皮書跟基本法這兩個部分要就把它脫鉤啦就是之前會想說白皮書訂出來基本法再可能就是可以搭配但我想我們現在就是基本法\n\n19\n00:06:30,883 --> 00:06:44,224\n是一個架構這個架構先出來白皮書我們還是就是再繼續進行但是就是說這兩個就是不會互相的這個影響這樣子因為談到這個就有一些感嘆就是說那個撞處法這個\n\n20\n00:06:46,007 --> 00:06:58,360\n推了三個月就三讀通過那可是青年基本法就還在路上那所以民間團體像世代共好他們之前就有表達說立法院通過專法保障壯世代卻獨獨漏了現在迫切\n\n21\n00:07:02,324 --> 00:07:28,998\n面對多元困境的崩世代就是所謂現在的青年世代那我想這個落差一定會加深世代的對立所以我想反覆提醒我們行政院要加緊腳步教育部要加緊腳步就是這樣的一個原因那我們回到法案的本身就是說教育部清發署我們為了落實賴總統國家希望工程的這個政見它有提及各項的青年政策所以我們去年在9月16號有辦\n\n22\n00:07:31,179 --> 00:07:47,833\n全國青年事務單位首長會議共計有17個縣市青年事務單位首長出席這是一個相當好的連結機制有望整合中央資源跟地方的量能也可以發展出多元青年創新政策的想法\n\n23\n00:07:48,493 --> 00:08:02,546\n那這也是很多個立法院在我們的這個青年基本法的草案呼籲的精神就是中央跟地方還有地方橫向怎麼樣加強聯繫還有中央跟地方的青年政策的落實喔那好可是這個聯繫的機制怎麼樣確實\n\n24\n00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:28,562\n執行我想這才是一個很大的重點那因為現在首先因為各縣市有專責青年的這個單位到底盤整的怎麼樣那到底他的層級到如何我想這個都是我們未來要怎麼樣中央地方聯繫的一個重要的重點所以我要請教你就是說目前你了解的就是說\n\n25\n00:08:30,544 --> 00:08:51,282\n要這個地方的這個設立這個層級那就是說怎麼樣建立地方青年政策這個參與機制還有擴大辦理多元職場體驗方案這個之外我們怎麼樣針對地方政府的督導計畫還有地方這個政府的層級要如何的這個就目前的現況跟未來要怎麼樣輔導您的看法\n\n26\n00:08:53,063 --> 00:09:09,726\n我想這個就像委員提到我們去年開始我們認為說地方政府他們我們非常開心看到說地方政府都有青年專責的單位出來但是這個青年事務要怎麼做有的他剛開始成立他沒有太多的經驗然後我想說我們青髮署有很多的一些經驗可以分享給大家\n\n27\n00:09:10,186 --> 00:09:25,594\n還有包括說現在有什麼政策有些什麼好康的你如果地方的青年局知道的話那他們那個縣市的青年就比較有機會透過他們地方可以得到這樣的資訊所以這是為什麼我們去年第一次把大家揪起來一起來做經驗分享\n\n28\n00:09:26,835 --> 00:09:52,436\n辦得成效非常好所以今年我們就繼續來辦大家這些地方現在的狀況像委員提到有的地方它可能是到局或處有的地方它可能就是科有的地方這個位階不一樣坦白講因為這個是地方自治這件事我們其實是沒有辦法干涉的但我們未來可能會透過一些方式比如說我們可能會讓社會更知道說各個縣市大家在這個\n\n29\n00:09:53,297 --> 00:10:18,331\n大家的慰藉是怎麼樣大家在地方事務做得怎麼樣某種程度的讓大家知道說哪個縣市在地方事務上他願意投入比較多的資源我想這個有一個就是一個團體的動力讓大家慢慢大家說別的縣市都是局你這個縣市只有柯可能他的縣市長慢慢也會感覺到說好像我們在這個事情上要把它提升慰藉我想我們來營造一個這樣的動力就是說\n\n30\n00:10:19,932 --> 00:10:31,551\n彼此之間縣市之間的相互的影響這個我覺得他是比較有機會來在不干預到地方自治的情況之下然後能夠有效的讓各個地方對這個事情更重視這樣子好謝謝次長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5251\t9092\t接下來請李英請召委質詢好謝謝請葉次長請次長三號這個會期第一次跟次長見面那我想首先就是要跟您談這個重中之重七年基本法這個七年基本法在我上上個會期當召委的時候我就有排公聽會那這是我在進來立法院之後\n34161\t48546\t舉辦公聽會參與委員最多的一次有二十幾位的立法委員來參與發言那可見大家對於這個今年基本法的共識是相當的高所以我想這個今年基本法\n49986\t66873\t我們在這個會期的首週就拍案也代表我們每個人對這個法的重視那所以我們都很期待我們可以儘早提出院版那剛剛您回答柯之恩委員是說這個會期一定會送來立法院 是不是\n67293\t85152\t是 跟委員報告我們現在剛才提到說布版已經出來了所以我們現在在跟這個地方政府還有各部會在做協調我們預計在一個月內完成協調之後就報院然後預告然後然後這個就報院然後我們預期在這個會期之內應該就院版是可以出來的好\n85532\t108682\t期待這個速度還是期待你去push一下那因為青年議題是近年來國人越來越重視青年到底是什麼樣的群體我想長期您在大學擔任教授也跟青年在一起那麼多年那青年就是最有吸引的思維跟最有行動力最有理想性所以他會是社會運作很大強大的助力\n110323\t130111\t所以我想青年在社會上他面臨就業也好就學啊創業居住很多的這個議題其實他相對的薄弱所以我想我們為什麼要有這個青年基本法就是要透過這樣的一個根本大法來支撐他有一些執法來幫忙他然後有一個整盤的計畫\n131551\t149052\t那像您擔任大學那麼多年的老師那您在大學端看到的就是說孩子目前青年面臨到困境除了我剛講的這些所謂的就業、就學、創業、居住、健康等等這些議題你覺得還有一些困境是現在青年面臨到的困境嗎?\n149973\t169283\t我覺得可能他有些困境是因為我們在整個台灣社會特別很多的家庭很多爸媽孩子對升學這個事情是很重視的包括這幾年這個很多人這個補習這個很多數據寫這個都是補全科的以前的年代就補一兩科現在爸媽就比較焦慮補全科所以很多孩子就是\n170023\t193956\t到18歲之前他是不是有那個機會可以探索出自己真正的興趣跟方向這件事情是一個比較大的一個現在一個我覺得一個挑戰所以很多孩子他進了這個科系之後才發現這不是他要的因為他就是這個按照分數填按照薪水高低填填了以後才發現這不是他要的時候那這個其實就出現說他在在這個大學的求學過程中就變得很迷茫這個是一個有\n195737\t223083\t部分青年在這個過程在在學期間覺得迷茫不知道自己的下一步發展在哪裡我想這個是現在我們青年問題裡面一個比較重要的要來一起來解決的一塊當然我想青年很多的問題不過說政府能幫忙的政府能具體幫忙的我知道近幾年其實政府推出很多相關的這個政策包括很多委員都有提及擴大租金的補貼拉近公私立這個學校學費的補貼\n225063\t241748\t投資青年就業方案等等不過許多青年的事業就是分散在各個部會所以講白了就是說青年政策不是各部會的核心政策所以我們為什麼要這樣子來統整也是因為面臨到這樣的困境\n243649\t267626\t那所以我想制定一個這樣青年基本法我們就是說希望用長遠的規劃跟眼光來展現我們對青年的支持我想很多青年的團體其實都眼睜睜的在看著我們怎麼樣對他們展現支持的態度那透過這個原則性跟指引性的這個法律規範我們可以引導各部會跟地方政府執行的地方政府\n268186\t286059\t有一個相關的這個政策的指引那來激情回應地方這個青年的訴求那我想我們長期關心這個青年基本法的立法的進度那剛剛柯知恵委員也有提到這個進度確實是緩慢的我們在去年五月就辦了公聽會那\n288621\t302337\t我們辦公室一直在詢問青年署這個進度那可是都回應都還是在收集意見的這個階段包括我們就是上個會期就是上上個會期辦公廳會\n303698\t327915\t上個會期就問說那現在進度如何那你們就回答說現在還在收集意見研擬青年政策白皮書那到這個會期再次詢問那還是得到差不多答案沒有重大的進展那到今年三月底我們才看到說你們要到北中南東的大學去舉辦青年政策白皮書的公民對話的這個活動\n329756\t350907\t市長我想青年署是你督導的範圍那你上任也有快一年我想你要不要簡要說明一下你對於制定這個青年基本法你做出哪些努力我想因為這個法牽扯到很多的部會其實從中央各個部會到地方政府他未來要扮演什麼角色都要在基本法裡面定出來\n351987\t368983\t這個也就是為什麼可能青年署在過去是比較在這個世界上比較謹慎就覺得說這個應該我也不能只聽政府單位的意見青年的意見青年還有分很多地方不同還有不同的這個社經狀況的青年我們就希望我想這也是求好心切希望能夠\n369864\t390163\t真的把這些東西都更能夠廣羅大意見所以我想這部分也很抱歉我們過去大概這個時間花的比較久但我想這個會期我們會很積極我想我們現在就是白皮書跟基本法這兩個部分要就把它脫鉤啦就是之前會想說白皮書訂出來基本法再可能就是可以搭配但我想我們現在就是基本法\n390883\t404224\t是一個架構 這個架構先出來白皮書我們還是就是再繼續進行但是就是說這兩個就是不會互相的這個影響這樣子因為談到這個就有一些感嘆就是說那個撞處法這個\n406007\t418360\t推了三個月就三讀通過那可是青年基本法就還在路上那所以民間團體像世代共好他們之前就有表達說立法院通過專法保障壯世代卻獨獨漏了現在迫切\n422324\t448998\t面對多元困境的崩世代就是所謂現在的青年世代那我想這個落差一定會加深世代的對立所以我想反覆提醒我們行政院要加緊腳步教育部要加緊腳步就是這樣的一個原因那我們回到法案的本身就是說教育部清發署我們為了落實賴總統國家希望工程的這個政見它有提及各項的青年政策所以我們去年在9月16號有辦\n451179\t467833\t全國青年事務單位首長會議共計有17個縣市青年事務單位首長出席這是一個相當好的連結機制有望整合中央資源跟地方的量能也可以發展出多元青年創新政策的想法\n468493\t482546\t那這也是很多個立法院在我們的這個青年基本法的草案呼籲的精神就是中央跟地方還有地方橫向怎麼樣加強聯繫還有中央跟地方的青年政策的落實喔那好 可是這個聯繫的機制怎麼樣確實\n486060\t508562\t執行我想這才是一個很大的重點那因為現在首先因為各縣市有專責青年的這個單位到底盤整的怎麼樣那到底他的層級到如何我想這個都是我們未來要怎麼樣中央地方聯繫的一個重要的重點所以我要請教你就是說目前你了解的就是說\n510544\t531282\t要這個地方的這個設立這個層級那就是說怎麼樣建立地方青年政策這個參與機制還有擴大辦理多元職場體驗方案這個之外我們怎麼樣針對地方政府的督導計畫還有地方這個政府的層級要如何的這個就目前的現況跟未來要怎麼樣輔導您的看法\n533063\t549726\t我想這個就像委員提到我們去年開始我們認為說地方政府他們我們非常開心看到說地方政府都有青年專責的單位出來但是這個青年事務要怎麼做有的他剛開始成立他沒有太多的經驗然後我想說我們青髮署有很多的一些經驗可以分享給大家\n550186\t565594\t還有包括說現在有什麼政策有些什麼好康的你如果地方的青年局知道的話那他們那個縣市的青年就比較有機會透過他們地方可以得到這樣的資訊所以這是為什麼我們去年第一次把大家揪起來一起來做經驗分享\n566835\t592436\t辦得成效非常好所以今年我們就繼續來辦大家這些地方現在的狀況像委員提到有的地方它可能是到局或處有的地方它可能就是科有的地方這個位階不一樣坦白講因為這個是地方自治這件事我們其實是沒有辦法干涉的但我們未來可能會透過一些方式比如說我們可能會讓社會更知道說各個縣市大家在這個\n593297\t618331\t大家的慰藉是怎麼樣大家在地方事務做得怎麼樣某種程度的讓大家知道說哪個縣市在地方事務上他願意投入比較多的資源我想這個有一個就是一個團體的動力讓大家慢慢大家說別的縣市都是局你這個縣市只有柯可能他的縣市長慢慢也會感覺到說好像我們在這個事情上要把它提升慰藉我想我們來營造一個這樣的動力就是說\n619932\t631551\t彼此之間縣市之間的相互的影響這個我覺得他是比較有機會來在不干預到地方自治的情況之下然後能夠有效的讓各個地方對這個事情更重視這樣子好 謝謝次長好 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跟委員報告我們現在剛才提到說布版已經出來了所以我們現在在跟這個地方政府還有各部會在做協調我們預計在一個月內完成協調之後就報院然後預告然後然後這個就報院然後我們預期在這個會期之內應該就院版是可以出來的好\n期待這個速度還是期待你去push一下那因為青年議題是近年來國人越來越重視青年到底是什麼樣的群體我想長期您在大學擔任教授也跟青年在一起那麼多年那青年就是最有吸引的思維跟最有行動力最有理想性所以他會是社會運作很大強大的助力\n所以我想青年在社會上他面臨就業也好就學啊創業居住很多的這個議題其實他相對的薄弱所以我想我們為什麼要有這個青年基本法就是要透過這樣的一個根本大法來支撐他有一些執法來幫忙他然後有一個整盤的計畫\n那像您擔任大學那麼多年的老師那您在大學端看到的就是說孩子目前青年面臨到困境除了我剛講的這些所謂的就業、就學、創業、居住、健康等等這些議題你覺得還有一些困境是現在青年面臨到的困境嗎?\n我覺得可能他有些困境是因為我們在整個台灣社會特別很多的家庭很多爸媽孩子對升學這個事情是很重視的包括這幾年這個很多人這個補習這個很多數據寫這個都是補全科的以前的年代就補一兩科現在爸媽就比較焦慮補全科所以很多孩子就是\n到18歲之前他是不是有那個機會可以探索出自己真正的興趣跟方向這件事情是一個比較大的一個現在一個我覺得一個挑戰所以很多孩子他進了這個科系之後才發現這不是他要的因為他就是這個按照分數填按照薪水高低填填了以後才發現這不是他要的時候那這個其實就出現說他在在這個大學的求學過程中就變得很迷茫這個是一個有\n部分青年在這個過程在在學期間覺得迷茫不知道自己的下一步發展在哪裡我想這個是現在我們青年問題裡面一個比較重要的要來一起來解決的一塊當然我想青年很多的問題不過說政府能幫忙的政府能具體幫忙的我知道近幾年其實政府推出很多相關的這個政策包括很多委員都有提及擴大租金的補貼拉近公私立這個學校學費的補貼\n投資青年就業方案等等不過許多青年的事業就是分散在各個部會所以講白了就是說青年政策不是各部會的核心政策所以我們為什麼要這樣子來統整也是因為面臨到這樣的困境\n那所以我想制定一個這樣青年基本法我們就是說希望用長遠的規劃跟眼光來展現我們對青年的支持我想很多青年的團體其實都眼睜睜的在看著我們怎麼樣對他們展現支持的態度那透過這個原則性跟指引性的這個法律規範我們可以引導各部會跟地方政府執行的地方政府\n有一個相關的這個政策的指引那來激情回應地方這個青年的訴求那我想我們長期關心這個青年基本法的立法的進度那剛剛柯知恵委員也有提到這個進度確實是緩慢的我們在去年五月就辦了公聽會那\n我們辦公室一直在詢問青年署這個進度那可是都回應都還是在收集意見的這個階段包括我們就是上個會期就是上上個會期辦公廳會\n上個會期就問說那現在進度如何那你們就回答說現在還在收集意見研擬青年政策白皮書那到這個會期再次詢問那還是得到差不多答案沒有重大的進展那到今年三月底我們才看到說你們要到北中南東的大學去舉辦青年政策白皮書的公民對話的這個活動\n市長我想青年署是你督導的範圍那你上任也有快一年我想你要不要簡要說明一下你對於制定這個青年基本法你做出哪些努力我想因為這個法牽扯到很多的部會其實從中央各個部會到地方政府他未來要扮演什麼角色都要在基本法裡面定出來\n這個也就是為什麼可能青年署在過去是比較在這個世界上比較謹慎就覺得說這個應該我也不能只聽政府單位的意見青年的意見青年還有分很多地方不同還有不同的這個社經狀況的青年我們就希望我想這也是求好心切希望能夠\n真的把這些東西都更能夠廣羅大意見所以我想這部分也很抱歉我們過去大概這個時間花的比較久但我想這個會期我們會很積極我想我們現在就是白皮書跟基本法這兩個部分要就把它脫鉤啦就是之前會想說白皮書訂出來基本法再可能就是可以搭配但我想我們現在就是基本法\n是一個架構 這個架構先出來白皮書我們還是就是再繼續進行但是就是說這兩個就是不會互相的這個影響這樣子因為談到這個就有一些感嘆就是說那個撞處法這個\n推了三個月就三讀通過那可是青年基本法就還在路上那所以民間團體像世代共好他們之前就有表達說立法院通過專法保障壯世代卻獨獨漏了現在迫切\n面對多元困境的崩世代就是所謂現在的青年世代那我想這個落差一定會加深世代的對立所以我想反覆提醒我們行政院要加緊腳步教育部要加緊腳步就是這樣的一個原因那我們回到法案的本身就是說教育部清發署我們為了落實賴總統國家希望工程的這個政見它有提及各項的青年政策所以我們去年在9月16號有辦\n全國青年事務單位首長會議共計有17個縣市青年事務單位首長出席這是一個相當好的連結機制有望整合中央資源跟地方的量能也可以發展出多元青年創新政策的想法\n那這也是很多個立法院在我們的這個青年基本法的草案呼籲的精神就是中央跟地方還有地方橫向怎麼樣加強聯繫還有中央跟地方的青年政策的落實喔那好 可是這個聯繫的機制怎麼樣確實\n執行我想這才是一個很大的重點那因為現在首先因為各縣市有專責青年的這個單位到底盤整的怎麼樣那到底他的層級到如何我想這個都是我們未來要怎麼樣中央地方聯繫的一個重要的重點所以我要請教你就是說目前你了解的就是說\n要這個地方的這個設立這個層級那就是說怎麼樣建立地方青年政策這個參與機制還有擴大辦理多元職場體驗方案這個之外我們怎麼樣針對地方政府的督導計畫還有地方這個政府的層級要如何的這個就目前的現況跟未來要怎麼樣輔導您的看法\n我想這個就像委員提到我們去年開始我們認為說地方政府他們我們非常開心看到說地方政府都有青年專責的單位出來但是這個青年事務要怎麼做有的他剛開始成立他沒有太多的經驗然後我想說我們青髮署有很多的一些經驗可以分享給大家\n還有包括說現在有什麼政策有些什麼好康的你如果地方的青年局知道的話那他們那個縣市的青年就比較有機會透過他們地方可以得到這樣的資訊所以這是為什麼我們去年第一次把大家揪起來一起來做經驗分享\n辦得成效非常好所以今年我們就繼續來辦大家這些地方現在的狀況像委員提到有的地方它可能是到局或處有的地方它可能就是科有的地方這個位階不一樣坦白講因為這個是地方自治這件事我們其實是沒有辦法干涉的但我們未來可能會透過一些方式比如說我們可能會讓社會更知道說各個縣市大家在這個\n大家的慰藉是怎麼樣大家在地方事務做得怎麼樣某種程度的讓大家知道說哪個縣市在地方事務上他願意投入比較多的資源我想這個有一個就是一個團體的動力讓大家慢慢大家說別的縣市都是局你這個縣市只有柯可能他的縣市長慢慢也會感覺到說好像我們在這個事情上要把它提升慰藉我想我們來營造一個這樣的動力就是說\n彼此之間縣市之間的相互的影響這個我覺得他是比較有機會來在不干預到地方自治的情況之下然後能夠有效的讓各個地方對這個事情更重視這樣子好 謝謝次長好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.251 --> 00:09.092\n接下來請李英請召委質詢好謝謝請葉次長請次長三號這個會期第一次跟次長見面那我想首先就是要跟您談這個重中之重七年基本法這個七年基本法在我上上個會期當召委的時候我就有排公聽會那這是我在進來立法院之後\n\n00:34.161 --> 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謝謝次長好 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20 人擬具「青年基本法草案」案；十七、審查委員林德福等 20 人擬具\n「青年發展基本法草案」案；十八、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「青年基本法草案」案 (僅進行\n詢答)","agenda_id":"1142601_00009"}}}