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00:01:12,272\n預定的P12站以及15分鐘可以到高雄的這個紫縣預定P12站那經過的發現捷運目前還在審議中根本沒有公佈過預定的站點所以這些廣告聲明與事實不符那違反了公交法第21條的第一項規定所以你們開罰了那這個開罰也讓我們大家都可以更清楚的知道\n\n4\n00:01:13,012 --> 00:01:17,598\n不能造假所以本席要在這邊請教也就是這一類是屬於虛偽以及誤導的這個表示所以正式開放那本席要請教\n\n5\n00:01:29,051 --> 00:01:47,938\n周邊交通對於民眾他們在買屋買房以及他們的生活是非常非常的考量慎據這非常重要所以會導致有人會用這樣子的一個廣告以淨捷運站來做宣傳那麼本期要請教有了這個開罰你們是不是應該也要好好的去盤點\n\n6\n00:01:55,201 --> 00:02:01,505\n因為有開罰的事項絕對在隱藏方面還有會不會有什麼作為請教\n\n7\n00:02:03,308 --> 00:02:29,708\n跟委員報告齁這個進捷運站把這些還沒有政府還沒有確定公開的站帳直接把他先擺在這根本還在審議中啊怎麼會有這個站呢這個案子不是第一案啦這個之前我們也處理過類似的類似這樣的案子那不是第一案那現在還持續這樣我們公平會有什麼作為我不希望我們民眾被騙這是重點是是是所以這些案子每次處理完以後我們都會對外發新聞稿然後提醒民眾要注意到這個問題\n\n8\n00:02:30,689 --> 00:02:51,147\n那當然在我們在查處上來講我們不管是網路的查處或是說個案的查處我們都積極會把這些案例類型類為是我們查處的重點所以在這些不動產的廣告裡面我們都會特別去關注這樣的問題好會特別關注但是有1又有2又有3表示我們的方法還不夠精進方法要去調整你怎麼樣去宣導\n\n9\n00:02:52,088 --> 00:03:18,761\n本席認為非常重要如果你只有發了一個新聞稿當然有1又有2又有3民眾受騙的機率就會增加我們還有有座談會跟各地實際上到各縣市去做一些要精進方案接下來本席跟你討論的是全球氣候變遷那麼公品會你們在2月19號也發布了事業因應環境永續涉及聯合行為的參考指引你其中有三項\n\n10\n00:03:19,821 --> 00:03:37,703\n一項是為相互約束事業競爭者的這個活動那無聯合這個行為疑慮的這個情況第二個你是構成容易構成聯合行為若是事業認為對於環境永續他是有幫助的必須依法申請\n\n11\n00:03:38,504 --> 00:04:04,623\n對不對第三個是一過程違法聯合行為之情境希望透過這樣的指引讓廠商自我檢查是否合規這個非常好所以本席要跟你討論的是在這樣子的一個情況之下請教你們要如何的確保這個指引對企業他是有約束力的以避免形成壟斷跟限制競爭性請教主委這個\n\n12\n00:04:06,204 --> 00:04:21,054\n我們這個處理原則裡面基本上就如同剛剛委員報告這三點有點概念上有點綠燈黃燈跟紅燈主要的目的其實就讓業者先知道如果他們要落實淨零排放那有些可能有時候會涉及到業者彼此之間必須要合作共同來做\n\n13\n00:04:21,494 --> 00:04:44,953\n那這個會不會抵觸到公平法的聯合行為所以我們提供這三個指標讓企業去評估讓他有所參考的指標但是本席要跟你討論的是之所以提出這一個論點也就是說這個議案因為這個是非常的重要企業界大家都努力配合政府在檢探但是有一些法規他還不是很清楚\n\n14\n00:04:45,413 --> 00:05:02,566\n甚至是他務必還要去做的必須要來申請的所以本席具體建議因為你在2月19號發布如果只有貼一個告示那很多的廠商他還不是很清楚所以本席是希望像這樣的一個情境跟上一題討論的議案一樣你們應該要廣為宣傳廣為宣傳\n\n15\n00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:29,246\n不管是在各工會或者是各管道要好好的去異業結盟去宣傳讓社會大眾了解我們四月份會開始就會跟業界來宣導四月份開始你也把你預計要怎麼做你書面資料給本席好嗎我們希望好好去宣導要不然有些廠商看到這個指引不是很清楚也不知道該怎麼做協助廠商大家一起能夠讓我們的環境更永續這是我們討論這一點的最重要的一個指標\n\n16\n00:05:37,032 --> 00:05:54,201\n接下來本市要請教3月12號決議對網銀國際股份有限公司除以20萬的罰金因為網銀公司在取得威秀影城股份三分之一的股份後沒有依照規定\n\n17\n00:05:55,683 --> 00:06:13,863\n没有依照规定结合前向公品会提出申报所以违了公交法的结合申报程序对不对你们罚了20万元那这个事件也暴露了在整个并购的程序他遵循似乎\n\n18\n00:06:15,044 --> 00:06:39,732\n是到底是不了解還是故意不申報我願意相信民眾不太會故意不申報因為這麼大的指標公司還會導致這樣的一個情況所以本期要跟主委來討論的就是說你們到底針對於企業併購申報程序的宣導跟教育到底是怎麼做華大衛就這麼大的一個公司連網營\n\n19\n00:06:41,172 --> 00:07:04,373\n他都沒有申報他是挑戰你是不是還是他根本不知道要申報請教我想這個案子主要是針對他應該來申報或未申報因為他那個結合案我們是通過的那只有兩個原因啊他故意不申報第二個他不知道要申報那到底怎麼回事呢我們事實上有跟當事人詢問過這個問題啦那他們的表示是說這是疏忽啦\n\n20\n00:07:05,314 --> 00:07:31,441\n這是疏忽這是他們的疏忽要怎麼樣確保企業能夠充分了解奔並軍巡守法相關的法規我想這也是政府的一個責任那所以對於沒有不知道要怎麼申報或者是疏忽或者是任何的一個理由我們還是要依法我們業務單位都持續有在做宣導這些結合的申報程序電子化以後該如何這個我們持續都有在做\n\n21\n00:07:32,501 --> 00:07:42,829\n您這樣的回答您說你們都有持續在做那連這麼大名牌的公司都沒有給你申報那你預計要怎麼精進啊\n\n22\n00:07:44,588 --> 00:08:14,268\n我想這個案子你要怎麼精進你要多宣導還是要提高法源還是怎麼樣因為你們一直有在宣導但是一直事件發生這個就是我們必須要怎麼去精進我們會繼續持續的思考看有沒有更有效的方法那剛剛委員談到宣導跟處罰這兩個我們大概都是並進但是宣導很重要因為畢竟這個企業的確有時候會忽略掉一些細節那這個我們業務單位都有持續在思考在如何做\n\n23\n00:08:15,489 --> 00:08:30,869\n主委你講到這個就重點本席要求你必須要透過任何的管道很多的工會很多的團體你們必須要去宣導因為連這個都做不來那你公告的法律是沒有用的\n\n24\n00:08:32,198 --> 00:08:56,232\n因為我們其實從去年開始有特別針對企業做了一個G2B一個宣導活動看企業需要什麼我們都會派人去跟他講公平法所以結合這一塊一定是重點我們都會跟相關的企業來看一個重點企業需要什麼我們會派人企業不會告訴你請你主動去宣導好不好請你主動去宣導做水庫嘛水庫理論啊才能夠圍堵嘛\n\n25\n00:08:56,972 --> 00:09:09,373\n是嗎我們目的也就是希望第一個大家守法第二個民眾不要受騙民眾不要受騙這是你公交會非常重要的一個職責是好嗎加油好謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6257\t8601\t蕭主席 邀請主委來 請主委邀委員早\n19451\t41432\t我們針對於不動產以廣告不實誤導消費者那公平會你們最近也針對於預證建設股份有限公司跟廣城廣告那麼開罰原因是什麼呢他聲稱說8分鐘可以突破到高雄捷運紫縣預定地的這個P12站\n43394\t72272\t預定的P12站以及15分鐘可以到高雄的這個紫縣預定P12站那經過的發現捷運目前還在審議中根本沒有公佈過預定的站點所以這些廣告聲明與事實不符那違反了公交法第21條的第一項規定所以你們開罰了那這個開罰也讓我們大家都可以更清楚的知道\n73012\t77598\t不能造假所以本席要在這邊請教也就是這一類是屬於虛偽以及誤導的這個表示所以正式開放那本席要請教\n89051\t107938\t周邊交通對於民眾他們在買屋買房以及他們的生活是非常非常的考量慎據這非常重要所以會導致有人會用這樣子的一個廣告以淨捷運站來做宣傳那麼本期要請教有了這個開罰你們是不是應該也要好好的去盤點\n115201\t121505\t因為有開罰的事項絕對在隱藏方面還有會不會有什麼作為請教\n123308\t149708\t跟委員報告齁 這個進捷運站把這些還沒有政府還沒有確定公開的站帳直接把他先擺在這根本還在審議中啊怎麼會有這個站呢這個案子不是第一案啦這個之前我們也處理過類似的 類似這樣的案子那不是第一案 那現在還持續這樣我們公平會有什麼作為我不希望我們民眾被騙 這是重點是是是 所以這些案子每次處理完以後我們都會對外發新聞稿然後提醒民眾要注意到這個問題\n150689\t171147\t那當然在我們在查處上來講我們不管是網路的查處或是說個案的查處我們都積極會把這些案例類型類為是我們查處的重點所以在這些不動產的廣告裡面我們都會特別去關注這樣的問題好 會特別關注但是有1又有2又有3表示我們的方法還不夠精進方法要去調整你怎麼樣去宣導\n172088\t198761\t本席認為非常重要如果你只有發了一個新聞稿當然有1又有2又有3民眾受騙的機率就會增加我們還有有座談會跟各地實際上到各縣市去做一些要精進方案接下來本席跟你討論的是全球氣候變遷那麼公品會你們在2月19號也發布了事業因應環境永續涉及聯合行為的參考指引你其中有三項\n199821\t217703\t一項是為相互約束事業競爭者的這個活動那無聯合這個行為疑慮的這個情況第二個你是構成容易構成聯合行為若是事業認為對於環境永續他是有幫助的必須依法申請\n218504\t244623\t對不對第三個是一過程違法聯合行為之情境希望透過這樣的指引讓廠商自我檢查是否合規這個非常好所以本席要跟你討論的是在這樣子的一個情況之下請教你們要如何的確保這個指引對企業他是有約束力的以避免形成壟斷跟限制競爭性請教主委這個\n246204\t261054\t我們這個處理原則裡面基本上就如同剛剛委員報告這三點有點概念上有點綠燈黃燈跟紅燈主要的目的其實就讓業者先知道如果他們要落實淨零排放那有些可能有時候會涉及到業者彼此之間必須要合作共同來做\n261494\t284953\t那這個會不會抵觸到公平法的聯合行為所以我們提供這三個指標讓企業去評估讓他有所參考的指標但是本席要跟你討論的是之所以提出這一個論點也就是說這個議案因為這個是非常的重要企業界大家都努力配合政府在檢探但是有一些法規他還不是很清楚\n285413\t302566\t甚至是他務必還要去做的必須要來申請的所以本席具體建議因為你在2月19號發布如果只有貼一個告示那很多的廠商他還不是很清楚所以本席是希望像這樣的一個情境跟上一題討論的議案一樣你們應該要廣為宣傳廣為宣傳\n307230\t329246\t不管是在各工會或者是各管道要好好的去異業結盟去宣傳讓社會大眾了解我們四月份會開始就會跟業界來宣導四月份開始你也把你預計要怎麼做你書面資料給本席好嗎我們希望好好去宣導要不然有些廠商看到這個指引不是很清楚也不知道該怎麼做協助廠商大家一起能夠讓我們的環境更永續這是我們討論這一點的最重要的一個指標\n337032\t354201\t接下來本市要請教3月12號決議對網銀國際股份有限公司除以20萬的罰金因為網銀公司在取得威秀影城股份三分之一的股份後沒有依照規定\n355683\t373863\t没有依照规定结合前向公品会提出申报所以违了公交法的结合申报程序对不对你们罚了20万元那这个事件也暴露了在整个并购的程序他遵循似乎\n375044\t399732\t是到底是不了解還是故意不申報我願意相信民眾不太會故意不申報因為這麼大的指標公司還會導致這樣的一個情況所以本期要跟主委來討論的就是說你們到底針對於企業併購申報程序的宣導跟教育到底是怎麼做華大衛就這麼大的一個公司連網營\n401172\t424373\t他都沒有申報 他是挑戰你是不是還是他根本不知道要申報 請教我想這個案子主要是針對他應該來申報或未申報因為他那個結合案我們是通過的那只有兩個原因啊 他故意不申報第二個他不知道要申報 那到底怎麼回事呢我們事實上有跟當事人詢問過這個問題啦那他們的表示是說這是疏忽啦\n425314\t451441\t這是疏忽 這是他們的疏忽要怎麼樣確保企業能夠充分了解奔並軍巡守法相關的法規我想這也是政府的一個責任那所以對於沒有不知道要怎麼申報或者是疏忽或者是任何的一個理由我們還是要依法我們業務單位都持續有在做宣導這些結合的申報程序電子化以後該如何這個我們持續都有在做\n452501\t462829\t您這樣的回答 您說你們都有持續在做那連這麼大名牌的公司都沒有給你申報那你預計要怎麼精進啊\n464588\t494268\t我想這個案子你要怎麼精進你要多宣導還是要提高法源還是怎麼樣因為你們一直有在宣導但是一直事件發生這個就是我們必須要怎麼去精進我們會繼續持續的思考看有沒有更有效的方法那剛剛委員談到宣導跟處罰這兩個我們大概都是並進但是宣導很重要因為畢竟這個企業的確有時候會忽略掉一些細節那這個我們業務單位都有持續在思考在如何做\n495489\t510869\t主委你講到這個就重點本席要求你必須要透過任何的管道很多的工會很多的團體你們必須要去宣導因為連這個都做不來那你公告的法律是沒有用的\n512198\t536232\t因為我們其實從去年開始有特別針對企業做了一個G2B一個宣導活動看企業需要什麼我們都會派人去跟他講公平法所以結合這一塊一定是重點我們都會跟相關的企業來看一個重點企業需要什麼我們會派人企業不會告訴你請你主動去宣導好不好請你主動去宣導做水庫嘛水庫理論啊才能夠圍堵嘛\n536972\t549373\t是嗎我們目的也就是希望第一個大家守法第二個民眾不要受騙民眾不要受騙這是你公交會非常重要的一個職責是 好嗎加油好 謝謝 謝委員\n","txt":"蕭主席 邀請主委來 請主委邀委員早\n我們針對於不動產以廣告不實誤導消費者那公平會你們最近也針對於預證建設股份有限公司跟廣城廣告那麼開罰原因是什麼呢他聲稱說8分鐘可以突破到高雄捷運紫縣預定地的這個P12站\n預定的P12站以及15分鐘可以到高雄的這個紫縣預定P12站那經過的發現捷運目前還在審議中根本沒有公佈過預定的站點所以這些廣告聲明與事實不符那違反了公交法第21條的第一項規定所以你們開罰了那這個開罰也讓我們大家都可以更清楚的知道\n不能造假所以本席要在這邊請教也就是這一類是屬於虛偽以及誤導的這個表示所以正式開放那本席要請教\n周邊交通對於民眾他們在買屋買房以及他們的生活是非常非常的考量慎據這非常重要所以會導致有人會用這樣子的一個廣告以淨捷運站來做宣傳那麼本期要請教有了這個開罰你們是不是應該也要好好的去盤點\n因為有開罰的事項絕對在隱藏方面還有會不會有什麼作為請教\n跟委員報告齁 這個進捷運站把這些還沒有政府還沒有確定公開的站帳直接把他先擺在這根本還在審議中啊怎麼會有這個站呢這個案子不是第一案啦這個之前我們也處理過類似的 類似這樣的案子那不是第一案 那現在還持續這樣我們公平會有什麼作為我不希望我們民眾被騙 這是重點是是是 所以這些案子每次處理完以後我們都會對外發新聞稿然後提醒民眾要注意到這個問題\n那當然在我們在查處上來講我們不管是網路的查處或是說個案的查處我們都積極會把這些案例類型類為是我們查處的重點所以在這些不動產的廣告裡面我們都會特別去關注這樣的問題好 會特別關注但是有1又有2又有3表示我們的方法還不夠精進方法要去調整你怎麼樣去宣導\n本席認為非常重要如果你只有發了一個新聞稿當然有1又有2又有3民眾受騙的機率就會增加我們還有有座談會跟各地實際上到各縣市去做一些要精進方案接下來本席跟你討論的是全球氣候變遷那麼公品會你們在2月19號也發布了事業因應環境永續涉及聯合行為的參考指引你其中有三項\n一項是為相互約束事業競爭者的這個活動那無聯合這個行為疑慮的這個情況第二個你是構成容易構成聯合行為若是事業認為對於環境永續他是有幫助的必須依法申請\n對不對第三個是一過程違法聯合行為之情境希望透過這樣的指引讓廠商自我檢查是否合規這個非常好所以本席要跟你討論的是在這樣子的一個情況之下請教你們要如何的確保這個指引對企業他是有約束力的以避免形成壟斷跟限制競爭性請教主委這個\n我們這個處理原則裡面基本上就如同剛剛委員報告這三點有點概念上有點綠燈黃燈跟紅燈主要的目的其實就讓業者先知道如果他們要落實淨零排放那有些可能有時候會涉及到業者彼此之間必須要合作共同來做\n那這個會不會抵觸到公平法的聯合行為所以我們提供這三個指標讓企業去評估讓他有所參考的指標但是本席要跟你討論的是之所以提出這一個論點也就是說這個議案因為這個是非常的重要企業界大家都努力配合政府在檢探但是有一些法規他還不是很清楚\n甚至是他務必還要去做的必須要來申請的所以本席具體建議因為你在2月19號發布如果只有貼一個告示那很多的廠商他還不是很清楚所以本席是希望像這樣的一個情境跟上一題討論的議案一樣你們應該要廣為宣傳廣為宣傳\n不管是在各工會或者是各管道要好好的去異業結盟去宣傳讓社會大眾了解我們四月份會開始就會跟業界來宣導四月份開始你也把你預計要怎麼做你書面資料給本席好嗎我們希望好好去宣導要不然有些廠商看到這個指引不是很清楚也不知道該怎麼做協助廠商大家一起能夠讓我們的環境更永續這是我們討論這一點的最重要的一個指標\n接下來本市要請教3月12號決議對網銀國際股份有限公司除以20萬的罰金因為網銀公司在取得威秀影城股份三分之一的股份後沒有依照規定\n没有依照规定结合前向公品会提出申报所以违了公交法的结合申报程序对不对你们罚了20万元那这个事件也暴露了在整个并购的程序他遵循似乎\n是到底是不了解還是故意不申報我願意相信民眾不太會故意不申報因為這麼大的指標公司還會導致這樣的一個情況所以本期要跟主委來討論的就是說你們到底針對於企業併購申報程序的宣導跟教育到底是怎麼做華大衛就這麼大的一個公司連網營\n他都沒有申報 他是挑戰你是不是還是他根本不知道要申報 請教我想這個案子主要是針對他應該來申報或未申報因為他那個結合案我們是通過的那只有兩個原因啊 他故意不申報第二個他不知道要申報 那到底怎麼回事呢我們事實上有跟當事人詢問過這個問題啦那他們的表示是說這是疏忽啦\n這是疏忽 這是他們的疏忽要怎麼樣確保企業能夠充分了解奔並軍巡守法相關的法規我想這也是政府的一個責任那所以對於沒有不知道要怎麼申報或者是疏忽或者是任何的一個理由我們還是要依法我們業務單位都持續有在做宣導這些結合的申報程序電子化以後該如何這個我們持續都有在做\n您這樣的回答 您說你們都有持續在做那連這麼大名牌的公司都沒有給你申報那你預計要怎麼精進啊\n我想這個案子你要怎麼精進你要多宣導還是要提高法源還是怎麼樣因為你們一直有在宣導但是一直事件發生這個就是我們必須要怎麼去精進我們會繼續持續的思考看有沒有更有效的方法那剛剛委員談到宣導跟處罰這兩個我們大概都是並進但是宣導很重要因為畢竟這個企業的確有時候會忽略掉一些細節那這個我們業務單位都有持續在思考在如何做\n主委你講到這個就重點本席要求你必須要透過任何的管道很多的工會很多的團體你們必須要去宣導因為連這個都做不來那你公告的法律是沒有用的\n因為我們其實從去年開始有特別針對企業做了一個G2B一個宣導活動看企業需要什麼我們都會派人去跟他講公平法所以結合這一塊一定是重點我們都會跟相關的企業來看一個重點企業需要什麼我們會派人企業不會告訴你請你主動去宣導好不好請你主動去宣導做水庫嘛水庫理論啊才能夠圍堵嘛\n是嗎我們目的也就是希望第一個大家守法第二個民眾不要受騙民眾不要受騙這是你公交會非常重要的一個職責是 好嗎加油好 謝謝 謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.257 --> 00:08.601\n蕭主席邀請主委來請主委邀委員早\n\n00:19.451 --> 00:41.432\n我們針對於不動產以廣告不實誤導消費者那公平會你們最近也針對於預證建設股份有限公司跟廣城廣告那麼開罰原因是什麼呢他聲稱說8分鐘可以突破到高雄捷運紫縣預定地的這個P12站\n\n00:43.394 --> 01:12.272\n預定的P12站以及15分鐘可以到高雄的這個紫縣預定P12站那經過的發現捷運目前還在審議中根本沒有公佈過預定的站點所以這些廣告聲明與事實不符那違反了公交法第21條的第一項規定所以你們開罰了那這個開罰也讓我們大家都可以更清楚的知道\n\n01:13.012 --> 01:17.598\n不能造假所以本席要在這邊請教也就是這一類是屬於虛偽以及誤導的這個表示所以正式開放那本席要請教\n\n01:29.051 --> 01:47.938\n周邊交通對於民眾他們在買屋買房以及他們的生活是非常非常的考量慎據這非常重要所以會導致有人會用這樣子的一個廣告以淨捷運站來做宣傳那麼本期要請教有了這個開罰你們是不是應該也要好好的去盤點\n\n01:55.201 --> 02:01.505\n因為有開罰的事項絕對在隱藏方面還有會不會有什麼作為請教\n\n02:03.308 --> 02:29.708\n跟委員報告齁這個進捷運站把這些還沒有政府還沒有確定公開的站帳直接把他先擺在這根本還在審議中啊怎麼會有這個站呢這個案子不是第一案啦這個之前我們也處理過類似的類似這樣的案子那不是第一案那現在還持續這樣我們公平會有什麼作為我不希望我們民眾被騙這是重點是是是所以這些案子每次處理完以後我們都會對外發新聞稿然後提醒民眾要注意到這個問題\n\n02:30.689 --> 02:51.147\n那當然在我們在查處上來講我們不管是網路的查處或是說個案的查處我們都積極會把這些案例類型類為是我們查處的重點所以在這些不動產的廣告裡面我們都會特別去關注這樣的問題好會特別關注但是有1又有2又有3表示我們的方法還不夠精進方法要去調整你怎麼樣去宣導\n\n02:52.088 --> 03:18.761\n本席認為非常重要如果你只有發了一個新聞稿當然有1又有2又有3民眾受騙的機率就會增加我們還有有座談會跟各地實際上到各縣市去做一些要精進方案接下來本席跟你討論的是全球氣候變遷那麼公品會你們在2月19號也發布了事業因應環境永續涉及聯合行為的參考指引你其中有三項\n\n03:19.821 --> 03:37.703\n一項是為相互約束事業競爭者的這個活動那無聯合這個行為疑慮的這個情況第二個你是構成容易構成聯合行為若是事業認為對於環境永續他是有幫助的必須依法申請\n\n03:38.504 --> 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