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00:02:16,889\n因為制服地圖這個事件是涵蓋全台各所學校不是只有新北所以我希望說教育部這邊你們應該要求各縣市各主管機關要辦理後續的追蹤並且應該我們提供給學生這些學生他相關救濟的管道\n\n8\n00:02:17,409 --> 00:02:39,709\n那後續也應該要跟樹發部這邊來研議就是說如何防止這一些相片繼續在網路上散播來維護學生的權益那我現在是要請教您說針對這個事件像新北市他已經有請他們讓他們的相關的這個學校來調查那我們教育部這邊現在有什麼做法我這邊可以請國教署來說來補充說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:44,687 --> 00:03:13,450\n好那跟委員報告那因為部裡面在去年3月的時候其實是有頒布了那學校在處理有關數位跟網路性別暴力事件的一些指引那這些指引裡面是有提醒學校面對這些事項來講的話那從通報到後面的處理處置都有一些引導那這樣子您就是告訴我說更針對這個事情你們教育部這邊還沒有相關的因應措施來告訴各縣市的主管機關如何來做是不是\n\n10\n00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:29,258\n應該是說在這個指引當中對於面對這樣的事件它是有一些引導措施那對於這件個別的事項我們會來請因為目前新北市的部分它的那個刑事大隊已經\n\n11\n00:03:30,379 --> 00:03:54,929\n在辦理這件事情那我們也會同步來請各縣市來督導學校我要再一次提醒喔這個事件其實是涵蓋全台各所學校都會有所以請你們教育部這邊盡快針對這個事件我們是不是通知各縣市我們的教育單位各主管機關盡快的來了解這個事情而且提供給相關的這些有受到權益損害的學生有救濟的管道好嗎\n\n12\n00:03:56,369 --> 00:04:18,381\n接下來也是跟這個事情有關架設這個網站的工程師是以這個網站的後台數據分析等相關網站事項來作為他碩士論文的撰寫碩士論文以這個網站為主題大量的使用為授權的未成年女學生的相片是涉及不法的自展我想請教像這樣子的研究方法有沒有問題\n\n13\n00:04:19,682 --> 00:04:27,193\n這個有沒有符合專科以上學校學術倫理案件處理原則第三條第十項的其他違反學術倫理行為的要件\n\n14\n00:04:28,148 --> 00:04:50,593\n他這個研究如果有牽扯到其他人的話他其實是研究倫理他是要經過申請之後通過才可以是違反的嗎這個部分我想我們接下來我們會去跟他的這個學校國北教大我們會喊請學校來這個依照研究倫理跟學術責任規範我們來調查他到底這個他目前這個研究他到底有沒有\n\n15\n00:04:51,193 --> 00:05:17,367\n我們在一百年的時候有修正那個兒少權法修正有通過兒少的隱私保護條款也就是說他當時在論文口試的時候也必須遵守相關兒少隱私相關的規範但是當時的指導教授跟口試委員沒有針對這個論文使用未經授權兒少相片研究方法來提出質疑所以真的這個部分次長您覺得有沒有瑕疵這個後續有什麼因應的措施\n\n16\n00:05:18,808 --> 00:05:27,678\n但我們現在還沒有還請他來說明如果真的如該委員長講的話那當然我想他這個是有瑕疵的所以我們要還請他說明我覺得這是很顯而易見的就是已經違反了相關的這些法規規範那這個部分我本席希望說高交端你們應該嚴格的來控管把關這個論文的品質\n\n17\n00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:59,353\n除了抄襲之外其實不應該有涉及這樣子違法的情勢那教育部這邊你們也應該協助各大學來完善論文的審查機制市長您覺得呢我要避免這樣的事件再發生我想這幾年在研究倫理的重視上面其實越來越重視那有一種可能是這個我想這個部分我會持續來宣達\n\n18\n00:06:00,094 --> 00:06:20,601\n那這些女學生發現她的相片在上面的時候她是非常的驚嚇她們甚至有一些看起來是偷拍的以那個照片的角度來講是被偷拍的那有這樣子的事情發生更何況就是說當初她這個是為了論文說是為了論文而架設的一個網站這個本來她所做的這個依據她的想法\n\n19\n00:06:21,641 --> 00:06:44,084\n很明顯的就是說有所奈他他人權益的所以我希望說針對像這樣的事件我們應該也要有一個相關的機制相關的這樣子的流程來處理次長您盡快點議好嗎是好謝謝好那接下來我就是要跟次長您討論關於青年基本法我也有請人事行政總署谷元玲專委\n\n20\n00:06:49,235 --> 00:07:05,245\n市長昨天本席跟各位的教文委員共同有召開記者會來呼籲行政院這邊盡快提出青年基本法那市長您應該要再回答其他委員的說有說是一個月內可以送到立法院來一起討論嗎不是不是\n\n21\n00:07:05,865 --> 00:07:34,682\n是那個應該是說我們現在裡面這一條我們佈板裡面有牽扯到很多其他部會的還有跟地方政府的條文那我們需要一個月的時間再把我們的草案給大家看然後收集意見然後收集之後我們就會再報行政院報行政院我們都很希望都在這個會期就可以三讀通過所以你們要加快一下你們的速度當然一定要跟各部會充分的溝通因為我們相關的青年政策是在各個部會都有在推\n\n22\n00:07:35,643 --> 00:07:47,110\n那這邊我想請教專委喔在青年基本法中呢其實很多委員的版本都有要求設立中央專責單位那我想請問專委說我們可不可以設立專責單位\n\n23\n00:07:48,692 --> 00:08:11,074\n其實目前現行就有了專責單位就是我們青年發展署所以中委您的意思說就是在法案通過之後我們預計是以青發署作為專責單位嗎現在目前就現行就有但是以目前青發署它是三級機關這個預算規模跟量能它有辦法跨部會的去協調相關的青年政策相關的這些來做聯繫嗎\n\n24\n00:08:12,395 --> 00:08:30,902\n因為現在中央行政機關組織批准法的規定,那個部會、部會委員會的個數其實都有限制那所以以專委的意思說,在目前是沒有在眼下是沒有辦法就是說在設立一個專責的單位來負責所以目前只能以清發署為主責,是這樣意思嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:32,152 --> 00:08:53,713\n官委員報告目前我們規劃在轉職的單位應該是教育部但是因為會涉及到跨部會的事務所以會有行政院來召開定期召開青年事務協調會報來協調跨部會的事情所以會有等於是教育部搭配行政院的會報來一起來管理這些事情好那專委您請回我想請教一下次長\n\n26\n00:08:54,534 --> 00:09:16,174\n那在青年基本法通過之後其實剛剛很多委員有提到說對於青年會不會有明確的年齡範圍的定義這個到底是18到35啊15到30啊這個部分是不是會有個定義喔那就像我們教育部現在辦的這個青年百億海外圓夢基金計畫那其實它的年齡範圍是15到30是不是也應該延續說把它擴大到35歲\n\n27\n00:09:20,287 --> 00:09:42,495\n而目前我們的青年基本法的草案我們是目前初步規劃是18歲到35歲我們的草案內容的年齡界定是這樣因為其實各部會青年政策的對象的年齡都不一定不一樣所以其實這樣很容易造成民眾的混淆他同樣一個年紀他去申請不同的計畫他可能那個標準門檻都不一樣所以是不是也應該在這個討論的時候跟各部會來有一個協議有一個共識\n\n28\n00:09:49,778 --> 00:10:10,591\n跟委員報告我們現在雖然草案是定18到35啦但現有的部會的很多的政策他覺得政策有因他的一些性質的不一樣他可能適用的年紀可能比如說他可能是到40歲或到45歲那我們基本上是希望有這個彈性讓各部本來已經在照顧的人不要因為說因為你現在基本法設在35歲本來照顧到40歲或45歲的一些計畫全部都砍掉\n\n29\n00:10:16,054 --> 00:10:33,467\n所以我們希望有那個彈性各個部位他原本在做的有照顧到的還是繼續照顧但是我們在基本法裡面我們是以18歲到35歲明確的定義出來這樣子謝謝次長因為今天時間有限那比較詳細的內容我們在主條宣傳的時候再來討論謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員次長請回我們接下來請吳佩義委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n750\t2213\t會議委員諮詢之後我們休息十分鐘謝謝主席請教育部葉次長有請葉次長\n18240\t36780\t市長早安,在跟您討論關於今天的青年基本法之前,我也覺得一個很重要的關於學生權益的問題,先來跟市長您請教。近日有傳出制服地圖這個網站,恐怕有侵害未成年學生各自的這個情況。\n37941\t53570\t那最近有學生發現自己近期在個人的社群上面所上傳的穿著學校制服的照片那在未被智慧未經允許的情況之下呢被放在制服地圖的網站上那我們到這個網站上面瀏覽發現說照片是以女學生為主\n57532\t78951\t甚至還有國中國小的學生穿著這個制服的照片那可以清晰的看見學生的臉以及學校還有姓名等這些個資那這個網站甚至透過讓民眾瀏覽各校學生制服照片來賺取廣告的點擊這是非常非常嚴重的去侵害到學生權益\n79932\t82376\t我想請教次長教育部關於這個事件有什麼因應的措施我想這個\n94742\t119371\t這個部分我想我們應該要來教導學生說怎麼樣來更保護自己的權益那我想這個部分因為這個網站就我們的了解是它是讓別人自己上傳照片之後那它未經審核它就直接就公開的出來給大家看那這個其實就是它會稱得到各支法還有駐州權法很多的所以我想這個大概就是一些在法律上的這些問題\n120991\t136889\t因為制服地圖這個事件是涵蓋全台各所學校不是只有新北所以我希望說教育部這邊你們應該要求各縣市各主管機關要辦理後續的追蹤並且應該我們提供給學生這些學生他相關救濟的管道\n137409\t159709\t那後續也應該要跟樹發部這邊來研議就是說如何防止這一些相片繼續在網路上散播來維護學生的權益那我現在是要請教您說針對這個事件像新北市他已經有請他們讓他們的相關的這個學校來調查那我們教育部這邊現在有什麼做法我這邊可以請國教署來說來補充說明一下\n164687\t193450\t好那跟委員報告那因為部裡面在去年3月的時候其實是有頒布了那學校在處理有關數位跟網路性別暴力事件的一些指引那這些指引裡面是有提醒學校面對這些事項來講的話那從通報到後面的處理處置都有一些引導那這樣子您就是告訴我說更針對這個事情你們教育部這邊還沒有相關的因應措施來告訴各縣市的主管機關如何來做是不是\n194590\t209258\t應該是說在這個指引當中對於面對這樣的事件它是有一些引導措施那對於這件個別的事項我們會來請因為目前新北市的部分它的那個刑事大隊已經\n210379\t234929\t在辦理這件事情那我們也會同步來請各縣市來督導學校我要再一次提醒喔這個事件其實是涵蓋全台各所學校都會有所以請你們教育部這邊盡快針對這個事件我們是不是通知各縣市我們的教育單位各主管機關盡快的來了解這個事情而且提供給相關的這些有受到權益損害的學生有救濟的管道好嗎\n236369\t258381\t接下來也是跟這個事情有關架設這個網站的工程師是以這個網站的後台數據分析等相關網站事項來作為他碩士論文的撰寫碩士論文以這個網站為主題大量的使用為授權的未成年女學生的相片是涉及不法的自展我想請教像這樣子的研究方法有沒有問題\n259682\t267193\t這個有沒有符合專科以上學校學術倫理案件處理原則第三條第十項的其他違反學術倫理行為的要件\n268148\t290593\t他這個研究如果有牽扯到其他人的話他其實是研究倫理他是要經過申請之後通過才可以是違反的嗎這個部分我想我們接下來我們會去跟他的這個學校國北教大我們會喊請學校來這個依照研究倫理跟學術責任規範我們來調查他到底這個他目前這個研究他到底有沒有\n291193\t317367\t我們在一百年的時候有修正那個兒少權法修正有通過兒少的隱私保護條款也就是說他當時在論文口試的時候也必須遵守相關兒少隱私相關的規範但是當時的指導教授跟口試委員沒有針對這個論文使用未經授權兒少相片研究方法來提出質疑所以真的這個部分次長您覺得有沒有瑕疵這個後續有什麼因應的措施\n318808\t327678\t但我們現在還沒有還請他來說明如果真的如該委員長講的話那當然我想他這個是有瑕疵的所以我們要還請他說明我覺得這是很顯而易見的就是已經違反了相關的這些法規規範那這個部分我本席希望說高交端你們應該嚴格的來控管把關這個論文的品質\n338430\t359353\t除了抄襲之外其實不應該有涉及這樣子違法的情勢那教育部這邊你們也應該協助各大學來完善論文的審查機制市長您覺得呢我要避免這樣的事件再發生我想這幾年在研究倫理的重視上面其實越來越重視那有一種可能是這個我想這個部分我會持續來宣達\n360094\t380601\t那這些女學生發現她的相片在上面的時候她是非常的驚嚇她們甚至有一些看起來是偷拍的以那個照片的角度來講是被偷拍的那有這樣子的事情發生更何況就是說當初她這個是為了論文說是為了論文而架設的一個網站這個本來她所做的這個依據她的想法\n381641\t404084\t很明顯的就是說有所奈他他人權益的所以我希望說 針對像這樣的事件我們應該也要有一個相關的機制相關的這樣子的流程來處理次長您盡快點議好嗎是 好 謝謝好 那接下來我就是要跟次長您討論關於青年基本法我也有請人事行政總署谷元玲專委\n409235\t425245\t市長昨天本席跟各位的教文委員共同有召開記者會來呼籲行政院這邊盡快提出青年基本法那市長您應該要再回答其他委員的說有說是一個月內可以送到立法院來一起討論嗎不是不是\n425865\t454682\t是那個應該是說我們現在裡面這一條我們佈板裡面有牽扯到很多其他部會的還有跟地方政府的條文那我們需要一個月的時間再把我們的草案給大家看然後收集意見然後收集之後我們就會再報行政院報行政院我們都很希望都在這個會期就可以三讀通過所以你們要加快一下你們的速度當然一定要跟各部會充分的溝通因為我們相關的青年政策是在各個部會都有在推\n455643\t467110\t那這邊我想請教專委喔在青年基本法中呢其實很多委員的版本都有要求設立中央專責單位那我想請問專委說我們可不可以設立專責單位\n468692\t491074\t其實目前現行就有了專責單位就是我們青年發展署所以中委您的意思說就是在法案通過之後我們預計是以青發署作為專責單位嗎現在目前就現行就有但是以目前青發署它是三級機關這個預算規模跟量能它有辦法跨部會的去協調相關的青年政策相關的這些來做聯繫嗎\n492395\t510902\t因為現在中央行政機關組織批准法的規定,那個部會、部會委員會的個數其實都有限制那所以以專委的意思說,在目前是沒有在眼下是沒有辦法就是說在設立一個專責的單位來負責所以目前只能以清發署為主責,是這樣意思嗎?\n512152\t533713\t官委員報告 目前我們規劃在轉職的單位應該是教育部但是因為會涉及到跨部會的事務所以會有行政院來召開 定期召開青年事務協調會報來協調跨部會的事情所以會有 等於是教育部搭配行政院的會報來一起來管理這些事情好 那專委您請回 我想請教一下次長\n534534\t556174\t那在青年基本法通過之後其實剛剛很多委員有提到說對於青年會不會有明確的年齡範圍的定義這個到底是18到35啊 15到30啊這個部分是不是會有個定義喔那就像我們教育部現在辦的這個青年百億海外圓夢基金計畫那其實它的年齡範圍是15到30是不是也應該延續說把它擴大到35歲\n560287\t582495\t而目前我們的青年基本法的草案我們是目前初步規劃是18歲到35歲我們的草案內容的年齡界定是這樣因為其實各部會青年政策的對象的年齡都不一定不一樣所以其實這樣很容易造成民眾的混淆他同樣一個年紀他去申請不同的計畫他可能那個標準門檻都不一樣所以是不是也應該在這個討論的時候跟各部會來有一個協議有一個共識\n589778\t610591\t跟委員報告我們現在雖然草案是定18到35啦但現有的部會的很多的政策他覺得政策有因他的一些性質的不一樣他可能適用的年紀可能比如說他可能是到40歲或到45歲那我們基本上是希望有這個彈性讓各部本來已經在照顧的人不要因為說因為你現在基本法設在35歲本來照顧到40歲或45歲的一些計畫全部都砍掉\n616054\t633467\t所以我們希望有那個彈性各個部位他原本在做的有照顧到的還是繼續照顧但是我們在基本法裡面我們是以18歲到35歲明確的定義出來這樣子謝謝次長因為今天時間有限那比較詳細的內容我們在主條宣傳的時候再來討論謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員次長請回我們接下來請吳佩義委員\n","txt":"會議委員諮詢之後我們休息十分鐘謝謝主席請教育部葉次長有請葉次長\n市長早安,在跟您討論關於今天的青年基本法之前,我也覺得一個很重要的關於學生權益的問題,先來跟市長您請教。近日有傳出制服地圖這個網站,恐怕有侵害未成年學生各自的這個情況。\n那最近有學生發現自己近期在個人的社群上面所上傳的穿著學校制服的照片那在未被智慧未經允許的情況之下呢被放在制服地圖的網站上那我們到這個網站上面瀏覽發現說照片是以女學生為主\n甚至還有國中國小的學生穿著這個制服的照片那可以清晰的看見學生的臉以及學校還有姓名等這些個資那這個網站甚至透過讓民眾瀏覽各校學生制服照片來賺取廣告的點擊這是非常非常嚴重的去侵害到學生權益\n我想請教次長教育部關於這個事件有什麼因應的措施我想這個\n這個部分我想我們應該要來教導學生說怎麼樣來更保護自己的權益那我想這個部分因為這個網站就我們的了解是它是讓別人自己上傳照片之後那它未經審核它就直接就公開的出來給大家看那這個其實就是它會稱得到各支法還有駐州權法很多的所以我想這個大概就是一些在法律上的這些問題\n因為制服地圖這個事件是涵蓋全台各所學校不是只有新北所以我希望說教育部這邊你們應該要求各縣市各主管機關要辦理後續的追蹤並且應該我們提供給學生這些學生他相關救濟的管道\n那後續也應該要跟樹發部這邊來研議就是說如何防止這一些相片繼續在網路上散播來維護學生的權益那我現在是要請教您說針對這個事件像新北市他已經有請他們讓他們的相關的這個學校來調查那我們教育部這邊現在有什麼做法我這邊可以請國教署來說來補充說明一下\n好那跟委員報告那因為部裡面在去年3月的時候其實是有頒布了那學校在處理有關數位跟網路性別暴力事件的一些指引那這些指引裡面是有提醒學校面對這些事項來講的話那從通報到後面的處理處置都有一些引導那這樣子您就是告訴我說更針對這個事情你們教育部這邊還沒有相關的因應措施來告訴各縣市的主管機關如何來做是不是\n應該是說在這個指引當中對於面對這樣的事件它是有一些引導措施那對於這件個別的事項我們會來請因為目前新北市的部分它的那個刑事大隊已經\n在辦理這件事情那我們也會同步來請各縣市來督導學校我要再一次提醒喔這個事件其實是涵蓋全台各所學校都會有所以請你們教育部這邊盡快針對這個事件我們是不是通知各縣市我們的教育單位各主管機關盡快的來了解這個事情而且提供給相關的這些有受到權益損害的學生有救濟的管道好嗎\n接下來也是跟這個事情有關架設這個網站的工程師是以這個網站的後台數據分析等相關網站事項來作為他碩士論文的撰寫碩士論文以這個網站為主題大量的使用為授權的未成年女學生的相片是涉及不法的自展我想請教像這樣子的研究方法有沒有問題\n這個有沒有符合專科以上學校學術倫理案件處理原則第三條第十項的其他違反學術倫理行為的要件\n他這個研究如果有牽扯到其他人的話他其實是研究倫理他是要經過申請之後通過才可以是違反的嗎這個部分我想我們接下來我們會去跟他的這個學校國北教大我們會喊請學校來這個依照研究倫理跟學術責任規範我們來調查他到底這個他目前這個研究他到底有沒有\n我們在一百年的時候有修正那個兒少權法修正有通過兒少的隱私保護條款也就是說他當時在論文口試的時候也必須遵守相關兒少隱私相關的規範但是當時的指導教授跟口試委員沒有針對這個論文使用未經授權兒少相片研究方法來提出質疑所以真的這個部分次長您覺得有沒有瑕疵這個後續有什麼因應的措施\n但我們現在還沒有還請他來說明如果真的如該委員長講的話那當然我想他這個是有瑕疵的所以我們要還請他說明我覺得這是很顯而易見的就是已經違反了相關的這些法規規範那這個部分我本席希望說高交端你們應該嚴格的來控管把關這個論文的品質\n除了抄襲之外其實不應該有涉及這樣子違法的情勢那教育部這邊你們也應該協助各大學來完善論文的審查機制市長您覺得呢我要避免這樣的事件再發生我想這幾年在研究倫理的重視上面其實越來越重視那有一種可能是這個我想這個部分我會持續來宣達\n那這些女學生發現她的相片在上面的時候她是非常的驚嚇她們甚至有一些看起來是偷拍的以那個照片的角度來講是被偷拍的那有這樣子的事情發生更何況就是說當初她這個是為了論文說是為了論文而架設的一個網站這個本來她所做的這個依據她的想法\n很明顯的就是說有所奈他他人權益的所以我希望說 針對像這樣的事件我們應該也要有一個相關的機制相關的這樣子的流程來處理次長您盡快點議好嗎是 好 謝謝好 那接下來我就是要跟次長您討論關於青年基本法我也有請人事行政總署谷元玲專委\n市長昨天本席跟各位的教文委員共同有召開記者會來呼籲行政院這邊盡快提出青年基本法那市長您應該要再回答其他委員的說有說是一個月內可以送到立法院來一起討論嗎不是不是\n是那個應該是說我們現在裡面這一條我們佈板裡面有牽扯到很多其他部會的還有跟地方政府的條文那我們需要一個月的時間再把我們的草案給大家看然後收集意見然後收集之後我們就會再報行政院報行政院我們都很希望都在這個會期就可以三讀通過所以你們要加快一下你們的速度當然一定要跟各部會充分的溝通因為我們相關的青年政策是在各個部會都有在推\n那這邊我想請教專委喔在青年基本法中呢其實很多委員的版本都有要求設立中央專責單位那我想請問專委說我們可不可以設立專責單位\n其實目前現行就有了專責單位就是我們青年發展署所以中委您的意思說就是在法案通過之後我們預計是以青發署作為專責單位嗎現在目前就現行就有但是以目前青發署它是三級機關這個預算規模跟量能它有辦法跨部會的去協調相關的青年政策相關的這些來做聯繫嗎\n因為現在中央行政機關組織批准法的規定,那個部會、部會委員會的個數其實都有限制那所以以專委的意思說,在目前是沒有在眼下是沒有辦法就是說在設立一個專責的單位來負責所以目前只能以清發署為主責,是這樣意思嗎?\n官委員報告 目前我們規劃在轉職的單位應該是教育部但是因為會涉及到跨部會的事務所以會有行政院來召開 定期召開青年事務協調會報來協調跨部會的事情所以會有 等於是教育部搭配行政院的會報來一起來管理這些事情好 那專委您請回 我想請教一下次長\n那在青年基本法通過之後其實剛剛很多委員有提到說對於青年會不會有明確的年齡範圍的定義這個到底是18到35啊 15到30啊這個部分是不是會有個定義喔那就像我們教育部現在辦的這個青年百億海外圓夢基金計畫那其實它的年齡範圍是15到30是不是也應該延續說把它擴大到35歲\n而目前我們的青年基本法的草案我們是目前初步規劃是18歲到35歲我們的草案內容的年齡界定是這樣因為其實各部會青年政策的對象的年齡都不一定不一樣所以其實這樣很容易造成民眾的混淆他同樣一個年紀他去申請不同的計畫他可能那個標準門檻都不一樣所以是不是也應該在這個討論的時候跟各部會來有一個協議有一個共識\n跟委員報告我們現在雖然草案是定18到35啦但現有的部會的很多的政策他覺得政策有因他的一些性質的不一樣他可能適用的年紀可能比如說他可能是到40歲或到45歲那我們基本上是希望有這個彈性讓各部本來已經在照顧的人不要因為說因為你現在基本法設在35歲本來照顧到40歲或45歲的一些計畫全部都砍掉\n所以我們希望有那個彈性各個部位他原本在做的有照顧到的還是繼續照顧但是我們在基本法裡面我們是以18歲到35歲明確的定義出來這樣子謝謝次長因為今天時間有限那比較詳細的內容我們在主條宣傳的時候再來討論謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員次長請回我們接下來請吳佩義委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.750 --> 00:02.213\n會議委員諮詢之後我們休息十分鐘謝謝主席請教育部葉次長有請葉次長\n\n00:18.240 --> 00:36.780\n市長早安,在跟您討論關於今天的青年基本法之前,我也覺得一個很重要的關於學生權益的問題,先來跟市長您請教。近日有傳出制服地圖這個網站,恐怕有侵害未成年學生各自的這個情況。\n\n00:37.941 --> 00:53.570\n那最近有學生發現自己近期在個人的社群上面所上傳的穿著學校制服的照片那在未被智慧未經允許的情況之下呢被放在制服地圖的網站上那我們到這個網站上面瀏覽發現說照片是以女學生為主\n\n00:57.532 --> 01:18.951\n甚至還有國中國小的學生穿著這個制服的照片那可以清晰的看見學生的臉以及學校還有姓名等這些個資那這個網站甚至透過讓民眾瀏覽各校學生制服照片來賺取廣告的點擊這是非常非常嚴重的去侵害到學生權益\n\n01:19.932 --> 01:22.376\n我想請教次長教育部關於這個事件有什麼因應的措施我想這個\n\n01:34.742 --> 01:59.371\n這個部分我想我們應該要來教導學生說怎麼樣來更保護自己的權益那我想這個部分因為這個網站就我們的了解是它是讓別人自己上傳照片之後那它未經審核它就直接就公開的出來給大家看那這個其實就是它會稱得到各支法還有駐州權法很多的所以我想這個大概就是一些在法律上的這些問題\n\n02:00.991 --> 02:16.889\n因為制服地圖這個事件是涵蓋全台各所學校不是只有新北所以我希望說教育部這邊你們應該要求各縣市各主管機關要辦理後續的追蹤並且應該我們提供給學生這些學生他相關救濟的管道\n\n02:17.409 --> 02:39.709\n那後續也應該要跟樹發部這邊來研議就是說如何防止這一些相片繼續在網路上散播來維護學生的權益那我現在是要請教您說針對這個事件像新北市他已經有請他們讓他們的相關的這個學校來調查那我們教育部這邊現在有什麼做法我這邊可以請國教署來說來補充說明一下\n\n02:44.687 --> 03:13.450\n好那跟委員報告那因為部裡面在去年3月的時候其實是有頒布了那學校在處理有關數位跟網路性別暴力事件的一些指引那這些指引裡面是有提醒學校面對這些事項來講的話那從通報到後面的處理處置都有一些引導那這樣子您就是告訴我說更針對這個事情你們教育部這邊還沒有相關的因應措施來告訴各縣市的主管機關如何來做是不是\n\n03:14.590 --> 03:29.258\n應該是說在這個指引當中對於面對這樣的事件它是有一些引導措施那對於這件個別的事項我們會來請因為目前新北市的部分它的那個刑事大隊已經\n\n03:30.379 --> 03:54.929\n在辦理這件事情那我們也會同步來請各縣市來督導學校我要再一次提醒喔這個事件其實是涵蓋全台各所學校都會有所以請你們教育部這邊盡快針對這個事件我們是不是通知各縣市我們的教育單位各主管機關盡快的來了解這個事情而且提供給相關的這些有受到權益損害的學生有救濟的管道好嗎\n\n03:56.369 --> 04:18.381\n接下來也是跟這個事情有關架設這個網站的工程師是以這個網站的後台數據分析等相關網站事項來作為他碩士論文的撰寫碩士論文以這個網站為主題大量的使用為授權的未成年女學生的相片是涉及不法的自展我想請教像這樣子的研究方法有沒有問題\n\n04:19.682 --> 04:27.193\n這個有沒有符合專科以上學校學術倫理案件處理原則第三條第十項的其他違反學術倫理行為的要件\n\n04:28.148 --> 04:50.593\n他這個研究如果有牽扯到其他人的話他其實是研究倫理他是要經過申請之後通過才可以是違反的嗎這個部分我想我們接下來我們會去跟他的這個學校國北教大我們會喊請學校來這個依照研究倫理跟學術責任規範我們來調查他到底這個他目前這個研究他到底有沒有\n\n04:51.193 --> 05:17.367\n我們在一百年的時候有修正那個兒少權法修正有通過兒少的隱私保護條款也就是說他當時在論文口試的時候也必須遵守相關兒少隱私相關的規範但是當時的指導教授跟口試委員沒有針對這個論文使用未經授權兒少相片研究方法來提出質疑所以真的這個部分次長您覺得有沒有瑕疵這個後續有什麼因應的措施\n\n05:18.808 --> 05:27.678\n但我們現在還沒有還請他來說明如果真的如該委員長講的話那當然我想他這個是有瑕疵的所以我們要還請他說明我覺得這是很顯而易見的就是已經違反了相關的這些法規規範那這個部分我本席希望說高交端你們應該嚴格的來控管把關這個論文的品質\n\n05:38.430 --> 05:59.353\n除了抄襲之外其實不應該有涉及這樣子違法的情勢那教育部這邊你們也應該協助各大學來完善論文的審查機制市長您覺得呢我要避免這樣的事件再發生我想這幾年在研究倫理的重視上面其實越來越重視那有一種可能是這個我想這個部分我會持續來宣達\n\n06:00.094 --> 06:20.601\n那這些女學生發現她的相片在上面的時候她是非常的驚嚇她們甚至有一些看起來是偷拍的以那個照片的角度來講是被偷拍的那有這樣子的事情發生更何況就是說當初她這個是為了論文說是為了論文而架設的一個網站這個本來她所做的這個依據她的想法\n\n06:21.641 --> 06:44.084\n很明顯的就是說有所奈他他人權益的所以我希望說針對像這樣的事件我們應該也要有一個相關的機制相關的這樣子的流程來處理次長您盡快點議好嗎是好謝謝好那接下來我就是要跟次長您討論關於青年基本法我也有請人事行政總署谷元玲專委\n\n06:49.235 --> 07:05.245\n市長昨天本席跟各位的教文委員共同有召開記者會來呼籲行政院這邊盡快提出青年基本法那市長您應該要再回答其他委員的說有說是一個月內可以送到立法院來一起討論嗎不是不是\n\n07:05.865 --> 07:34.682\n是那個應該是說我們現在裡面這一條我們佈板裡面有牽扯到很多其他部會的還有跟地方政府的條文那我們需要一個月的時間再把我們的草案給大家看然後收集意見然後收集之後我們就會再報行政院報行政院我們都很希望都在這個會期就可以三讀通過所以你們要加快一下你們的速度當然一定要跟各部會充分的溝通因為我們相關的青年政策是在各個部會都有在推\n\n07:35.643 --> 07:47.110\n那這邊我想請教專委喔在青年基本法中呢其實很多委員的版本都有要求設立中央專責單位那我想請問專委說我們可不可以設立專責單位\n\n07:48.692 --> 08:11.074\n其實目前現行就有了專責單位就是我們青年發展署所以中委您的意思說就是在法案通過之後我們預計是以青發署作為專責單位嗎現在目前就現行就有但是以目前青發署它是三級機關這個預算規模跟量能它有辦法跨部會的去協調相關的青年政策相關的這些來做聯繫嗎\n\n08:12.395 --> 08:30.902\n因為現在中央行政機關組織批准法的規定,那個部會、部會委員會的個數其實都有限制那所以以專委的意思說,在目前是沒有在眼下是沒有辦法就是說在設立一個專責的單位來負責所以目前只能以清發署為主責,是這樣意思嗎?\n\n08:32.152 --> 08:53.713\n官委員報告目前我們規劃在轉職的單位應該是教育部但是因為會涉及到跨部會的事務所以會有行政院來召開定期召開青年事務協調會報來協調跨部會的事情所以會有等於是教育部搭配行政院的會報來一起來管理這些事情好那專委您請回我想請教一下次長\n\n08:54.534 --> 09:16.174\n那在青年基本法通過之後其實剛剛很多委員有提到說對於青年會不會有明確的年齡範圍的定義這個到底是18到35啊15到30啊這個部分是不是會有個定義喔那就像我們教育部現在辦的這個青年百億海外圓夢基金計畫那其實它的年齡範圍是15到30是不是也應該延續說把它擴大到35歲\n\n09:20.287 --> 09:42.495\n而目前我們的青年基本法的草案我們是目前初步規劃是18歲到35歲我們的草案內容的年齡界定是這樣因為其實各部會青年政策的對象的年齡都不一定不一樣所以其實這樣很容易造成民眾的混淆他同樣一個年紀他去申請不同的計畫他可能那個標準門檻都不一樣所以是不是也應該在這個討論的時候跟各部會來有一個協議有一個共識\n\n09:49.778 --> 10:10.591\n跟委員報告我們現在雖然草案是定18到35啦但現有的部會的很多的政策他覺得政策有因他的一些性質的不一樣他可能適用的年紀可能比如說他可能是到40歲或到45歲那我們基本上是希望有這個彈性讓各部本來已經在照顧的人不要因為說因為你現在基本法設在35歲本來照顧到40歲或45歲的一些計畫全部都砍掉\n\n10:16.054 --> 10:33.467\n所以我們希望有那個彈性各個部位他原本在做的有照顧到的還是繼續照顧但是我們在基本法裡面我們是以18歲到35歲明確的定義出來這樣子謝謝次長因為今天時間有限那比較詳細的內容我們在主條宣傳的時候再來討論謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員次長請回我們接下來請吳佩義委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.75,"end":2.213,"text":"會議委員諮詢之後我們休息十分鐘謝謝主席請教育部葉次長有請葉次長"},{"start":18.24,"end":36.78,"text":"市長早安,在跟您討論關於今天的青年基本法之前,我也覺得一個很重要的關於學生權益的問題,先來跟市長您請教。近日有傳出制服地圖這個網站,恐怕有侵害未成年學生各自的這個情況。"},{"start":37.941,"end":53.57,"text":"那最近有學生發現自己近期在個人的社群上面所上傳的穿著學校制服的照片那在未被智慧未經允許的情況之下呢被放在制服地圖的網站上那我們到這個網站上面瀏覽發現說照片是以女學生為主"},{"start":57.532,"end":78.951,"text":"甚至還有國中國小的學生穿著這個制服的照片那可以清晰的看見學生的臉以及學校還有姓名等這些個資那這個網站甚至透過讓民眾瀏覽各校學生制服照片來賺取廣告的點擊這是非常非常嚴重的去侵害到學生權益"},{"start":79.932,"end":82.376,"text":"我想請教次長教育部關於這個事件有什麼因應的措施我想這個"},{"start":94.742,"end":119.371,"text":"這個部分我想我們應該要來教導學生說怎麼樣來更保護自己的權益那我想這個部分因為這個網站就我們的了解是它是讓別人自己上傳照片之後那它未經審核它就直接就公開的出來給大家看那這個其實就是它會稱得到各支法還有駐州權法很多的所以我想這個大概就是一些在法律上的這些問題"},{"start":120.991,"end":136.889,"text":"因為制服地圖這個事件是涵蓋全台各所學校不是只有新北所以我希望說教育部這邊你們應該要求各縣市各主管機關要辦理後續的追蹤並且應該我們提供給學生這些學生他相關救濟的管道"},{"start":137.409,"end":159.709,"text":"那後續也應該要跟樹發部這邊來研議就是說如何防止這一些相片繼續在網路上散播來維護學生的權益那我現在是要請教您說針對這個事件像新北市他已經有請他們讓他們的相關的這個學校來調查那我們教育部這邊現在有什麼做法我這邊可以請國教署來說來補充說明一下"},{"start":164.687,"end":193.45,"text":"好那跟委員報告那因為部裡面在去年3月的時候其實是有頒布了那學校在處理有關數位跟網路性別暴力事件的一些指引那這些指引裡面是有提醒學校面對這些事項來講的話那從通報到後面的處理處置都有一些引導那這樣子您就是告訴我說更針對這個事情你們教育部這邊還沒有相關的因應措施來告訴各縣市的主管機關如何來做是不是"},{"start":194.59,"end":209.258,"text":"應該是說在這個指引當中對於面對這樣的事件它是有一些引導措施那對於這件個別的事項我們會來請因為目前新北市的部分它的那個刑事大隊已經"},{"start":210.379,"end":234.929,"text":"在辦理這件事情那我們也會同步來請各縣市來督導學校我要再一次提醒喔這個事件其實是涵蓋全台各所學校都會有所以請你們教育部這邊盡快針對這個事件我們是不是通知各縣市我們的教育單位各主管機關盡快的來了解這個事情而且提供給相關的這些有受到權益損害的學生有救濟的管道好嗎"},{"start":236.369,"end":258.381,"text":"接下來也是跟這個事情有關架設這個網站的工程師是以這個網站的後台數據分析等相關網站事項來作為他碩士論文的撰寫碩士論文以這個網站為主題大量的使用為授權的未成年女學生的相片是涉及不法的自展我想請教像這樣子的研究方法有沒有問題"},{"start":259.682,"end":267.193,"text":"這個有沒有符合專科以上學校學術倫理案件處理原則第三條第十項的其他違反學術倫理行為的要件"},{"start":268.148,"end":290.593,"text":"他這個研究如果有牽扯到其他人的話他其實是研究倫理他是要經過申請之後通過才可以是違反的嗎這個部分我想我們接下來我們會去跟他的這個學校國北教大我們會喊請學校來這個依照研究倫理跟學術責任規範我們來調查他到底這個他目前這個研究他到底有沒有"},{"start":291.193,"end":317.367,"text":"我們在一百年的時候有修正那個兒少權法修正有通過兒少的隱私保護條款也就是說他當時在論文口試的時候也必須遵守相關兒少隱私相關的規範但是當時的指導教授跟口試委員沒有針對這個論文使用未經授權兒少相片研究方法來提出質疑所以真的這個部分次長您覺得有沒有瑕疵這個後續有什麼因應的措施"},{"start":318.808,"end":327.678,"text":"但我們現在還沒有還請他來說明如果真的如該委員長講的話那當然我想他這個是有瑕疵的所以我們要還請他說明我覺得這是很顯而易見的就是已經違反了相關的這些法規規範那這個部分我本席希望說高交端你們應該嚴格的來控管把關這個論文的品質"},{"start":338.43,"end":359.353,"text":"除了抄襲之外其實不應該有涉及這樣子違法的情勢那教育部這邊你們也應該協助各大學來完善論文的審查機制市長您覺得呢我要避免這樣的事件再發生我想這幾年在研究倫理的重視上面其實越來越重視那有一種可能是這個我想這個部分我會持續來宣達"},{"start":360.094,"end":380.601,"text":"那這些女學生發現她的相片在上面的時候她是非常的驚嚇她們甚至有一些看起來是偷拍的以那個照片的角度來講是被偷拍的那有這樣子的事情發生更何況就是說當初她這個是為了論文說是為了論文而架設的一個網站這個本來她所做的這個依據她的想法"},{"start":381.641,"end":404.084,"text":"很明顯的就是說有所奈他他人權益的所以我希望說 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20 人擬具「青年基本法草案」案；十七、審查委員林德福等 20 人擬具\n「青年發展基本法草案」案；十八、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「青年基本法草案」案 (僅進行\n詢答)","agenda_id":"1142601_00009"}}}