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00:02:48,229\n可是問題是在院會的時候他們透過黨團提出了這個三減案的這個數額這個就是預算的三減案這個是很明確的嘛說是已經定案了嘛所以我覺得這個就是一個事實了所以有關這個委員他這樣子的一個言論也是推行出這個國民黨跟民眾黨也不尊重這個委員會的中心主義嘛\n\n8\n00:02:48,649 --> 00:03:05,670\n我們在委員會討論的結果結果在院會裡面就被他們整個翻盤了翻盤的結果目前的結果就是這樣子我們速發部在今年度目前就是說在解凍案還沒有解凍之前可運用的這個預算就只有32.1億\n\n9\n00:03:07,572 --> 00:03:35,545\n所以這對整個我們今年度書法部要推動的一個政策影響非常的大那是不是可以請部長簡單說一下這樣子的結果對我們產業及民生的一個影響對那個謝謝委員的那個就是給我一個機會來做個說明那的確也沒錯啦就是這三點這麼多一定會受影響那幾個重要工作剛剛委員一直對關心幾個事比如打炸然後跟這個治安的問題那其實我們就是因為\n\n10\n00:03:36,465 --> 00:03:51,811\n不管是駭客集團或者是詐騙集團他們都在進步他們都在用AI在做更進的詐騙的手法或是攻擊的手法那我們本來很多經費也是補助所以我們自己做研發我們也是要用AI去做更適當的防護\n\n11\n00:03:52,771 --> 00:04:15,870\n那因為這個這個刪減就是刪減直接針對我們的一些研究單位的刪減和補助案所以我們現在這個研發一定這個一定會要做一些取捨就是有些工作就只能暫停那像韌性也是一樣就是我們在這個低軌衛星像剛剛講就是我們擔心將來不管是海嵐或是天災人禍因為通訊\n\n12\n00:04:17,371 --> 00:04:34,176\n我們不希望通訊段能夠造成影響所以我們需要有不同的像微波或者是這個這個低軌衛星或中軌衛星的部件那這個都是需要經費那這個經費是被大砍所以我們才會從過去的773個所謂的地面地面站現在變成只有190幾個那這個當然\n\n13\n00:04:37,117 --> 00:04:57,037\n這個當然是對我們將來如果再發生這種天災人禍的時候的通訊也會有影響那在AI推動包括剛剛委員有提到說我們這個很多AI的是在推動這個產業包括是遊戲產業軟體產業或制服產業或是電商等等等這些產業的推動跟補助跟輔導\n\n14\n00:04:58,098 --> 00:05:24,907\n因為預算被刪也會有很嚴重影響所以對我們整個國家AI的發展也會有很嚴重的問題因為全世界AI都在進步大家都在我們在後面我們不能落後但是因為這次預算刪減對蘇發部來講我們又負責AI產業的推動所以這個東西確實有影響我們當然在有限經費之下我們盡量調整把這個可能的影響降到最低不過是一定有很大的影響\n\n15\n00:05:25,663 --> 00:05:44,447\n是剛剛部長提到就是有關低軌衛星的部件計劃那我們也知道說這個對於整個國家就是面臨這個突發的一個災害不管是這個地震這種天災或者是其他的災害或者是緊急狀況之下政府要能夠保持穩定或者是不通過\n\n16\n00:05:45,007 --> 00:06:02,194\n不中斷的通訊能力就是需要靠這樣子的一個數位韌性的一個基礎建設所以目前我們看到資料就是說我們速發部本來是要積極佈建在警消軍等關鍵單位部署773個非同步的衛星站點\n\n17\n00:06:03,254 --> 00:06:30,543\n那現在預算被大幅的刪減之後我們目前可以設立的站點數就只剩下195個就只剩原來的195個就是四分之一所以這樣子也是會影響到整個民眾的民生問題有關這個安全通訊的一個問題所以我覺得說這個部分我們也一定要明確的讓民眾知道因為這個跟我們的生活也是息息相關的\n\n18\n00:06:31,383 --> 00:06:56,179\n那另外有關這個資安的一個部分因為很多民眾就是也非常的關心那也剛我有關心這個打炸的一個問題那這個在資安的部分我們也看到最近就是有這個醫院被駭客入侵被駭客入侵的這種狀況發生那我們目前就是在這個部分我們抒發部有什麼樣的因應的一個措施\n\n19\n00:06:57,038 --> 00:07:15,100\n這醫院入侵這個就是從最近這個這邊委員這邊簡報2月9號跟3月3號那2月9號這個馬歇醫院入侵當然就是他後來變成第三級的入侵事件算是比較嚴重那三級就只有一級所以還目前看目前是還好不過\n\n20\n00:07:15,980 --> 00:07:40,987\n這個主要是說這種攻擊的手法因為一直在更新所以我們對醫院的未來的集合跟這個怎麼樣去跟衛護部合作在醫院加強這個治安的防護這個我們正在進行中不過這個剛剛講也沒錯因為預算被刪因為要抵抗這些自然攻擊靠的還是像AI的技術所以我們本來是有一些計畫是要用AI技術強化我們AI的防護能力叫自然的防護能力\n\n21\n00:07:41,827 --> 00:08:06,326\n這個我有點擔心是因為因為預算的關係我們沒有辦法去再跟上駭客的或是詐騙集團的那種AI的那個攻擊的方法所以是我個人是蠻擔心的不過我們還是會盡量努力把這個問題盡量的把它排除讓我們國家的關鍵基礎建設系統還有政府的網路系統能夠安全能夠在提供民眾安全的一個服務的環境這樣\n\n22\n00:08:07,130 --> 00:08:18,532\n是我們就是在這個資安署還有資安院就是在今年度的預算目前被煽動之後可以運用的這個數額大概剩多少\n\n23\n00:08:21,822 --> 00:08:46,216\n資安院現在是被影響至少25%的預算因為很多剛講AI的資安研發在資安院那這部分因為刪減確實有影響那資安署主要最嚴重是因為出國經費全部被刪所以出國經費被刪造成我們跟很多國際的資安的交流訓練跟演練跟集合通通停止這個對未來我們資安的發展也是非常不利\n\n24\n00:08:47,086 --> 00:09:05,662\n對因為其實這個治安也是跟我們民眾的生活是息息相關就是我剛舉的那個例子就是有關醫院的這個被駭客入侵的這個部分也是跟我們民眾都是息息相關的那甚至跟整個國家安全也是息息相關的就是說包括這個電纜台體電纜的被破壞\n\n25\n00:09:08,104 --> 00:09:32,824\n等等那這個部分因為我們本來也有預算是要來補助中華電信做電纜的一個強化跟修復的所以這個都在在會去影響到我們整體的這個資訊安全的一個部分所以在這個部分我們當然就是說部長也說會在有限的經費裡面來盡量來維持那畢竟就是說真的就像我剛剛有\n\n26\n00:09:33,724 --> 00:10:01,420\n講的就是巧婦兩尾無米之炊那我們只能做最基本的一個維護那可能就是說在這個要更加的強化的部分可能就是沒有這個經費可以去做所以這個是對整個國家的安全有非常大的一個影響所以我們也就是說當然現在復疫案也沒過了然後那昨天最後的一個機會給這個在野黨那他們也是做了這樣子的一個選擇也是令我們非常的遺憾\n\n27\n00:10:01,900 --> 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我們就是在這個資安署還有資安院就是在今年度的預算 目前被煽動之後可以運用的這個數額大概剩多少\n501822\t526216\t資安院現在是被影響至少25%的預算因為很多剛講AI的資安研發在資安院那這部分因為刪減確實有影響那資安署主要最嚴重是因為出國經費全部被刪所以出國經費被刪造成我們跟很多國際的資安的交流訓練跟演練跟集合通通停止這個對未來我們資安的發展也是非常不利\n527086\t545662\t對 因為其實這個治安也是跟我們民眾的生活是息息相關就是我剛舉的那個例子就是有關醫院的這個被駭客入侵的這個部分也是跟我們民眾都是息息相關的那甚至跟整個國家安全也是息息相關的就是說包括這個電纜台體電纜的被破壞\n548104\t572824\t等等那這個部分因為我們本來也有預算是要來補助中華電信做電纜的一個強化跟修復的所以這個都在在會去影響到我們整體的這個資訊安全的一個部分所以在這個部分我們當然就是說部長也說會在有限的經費裡面來盡量來維持那畢竟就是說真的就像我剛剛有\n573724\t601420\t講的就是巧婦兩尾無米之炊那我們只能做最基本的一個維護那可能就是說在這個要更加的強化的部分可能就是沒有這個經費可以去做所以這個是對整個國家的安全有非常大的一個影響所以我們也就是說當然現在復疫案也沒過了然後那昨天最後的一個機會給這個在野黨那他們也是做了這樣子的一個選擇也是令我們非常的遺憾\n601900\t615134\t那我們也希望就是說那也要期許我們訴法部在部長的帶領之下那我們就是謹守我們自己的職責那我們也來盡力來維持我們應該做的一個事情這樣好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席請主席邀請黃部長請部長委員好\n部長早安我們知道現在是一個科技化的一個時代所以有關這個整個不管是經濟發展或者是產業的一個轉型我們速發部也肩負著很大的一個重責大任因為我們相關的一些業務包括說這個數位基礎建設的一個強化或者是創新的研發或者是產業輔導等等這些工作\n可以說都是未來我們整個國家經濟動能或者是產業轉型一個很重要的一個支撐可是我們也知道說在一個新的年度的開始我們也是就是說針對年度要推動的一個政策跟計劃編列了相關的這個經費要來運用那我們看到昨天的這個就是我們在立法院就是行政院提出這個針對總預算的一個附議案\n也可以說已經就是有一個結果了那復業案沒有通過所以整個總預算也算是定案了嘛那我們看到就是在今年度數位部跟兩署的經費我們原本是總共編列了86.6億元嘛對不對對啦那在昨天這樣子的一個結果之後我們是確定被大幅刪減了35.8億是嗎那也凍結了18.7億\n那這樣子我們目前可運用的數額多少?32億多而已那如果扣掉人事費的話,也所剩無幾所以也有一句話說,巧婦然為無米之炊你沒有這個經費,你很多的工作要怎麼去推動呢?\n那今天還有這個民眾黨的委員在這邊說我們在交通委員會大家都很平和的在討論這個預算沒有大幅的一個刪減確實我們在委員會討論的時候因為我上個會期是當召委就是主持這個預算的一個審查確實我們也都是透過理性的一個討論在委員會也沒有做出很大幅的一個刪減跟凍結\n可是問題是在院會的時候他們透過黨團提出了這個三減案的這個數額這個就是預算的三減案這個是很明確的嘛說是已經定案了嘛所以我覺得這個就是一個事實了所以有關這個委員他這樣子的一個言論也是推行出這個國民黨跟民眾黨也不尊重這個委員會的中心主義嘛\n我們在委員會討論的結果 結果在院會裡面就被他們整個翻盤了翻盤的結果 目前的結果就是這樣子我們速發部在今年度目前就是說在解凍案還沒有解凍之前可運用的這個預算就只有32.1億\n所以這對整個我們今年度書法部要推動的一個政策影響非常的大那是不是可以請部長簡單說一下這樣子的結果對我們產業及民生的一個影響對那個謝謝委員的那個就是給我一個機會來做個說明那的確也沒錯啦就是這三點這麼多一定會受影響那幾個重要工作剛剛委員一直對關心幾個事比如打炸然後跟這個治安的問題那其實我們就是因為\n不管是駭客集團或者是詐騙集團他們都在進步他們都在用AI在做更進的詐騙的手法或是攻擊的手法那我們本來很多經費也是補助所以我們自己做研發我們也是要用AI去做更適當的防護\n那因為這個這個刪減就是刪減直接針對我們的一些研究單位的刪減和補助案所以我們現在這個研發一定這個一定會要做一些取捨就是有些工作就只能暫停那像韌性也是一樣就是我們在這個低軌衛星像剛剛講就是我們擔心將來不管是海嵐或是天災人禍因為通訊\n我們不希望通訊段能夠造成影響所以我們需要有不同的像微波或者是這個這個低軌衛星或中軌衛星的部件那這個都是需要經費那這個經費是被大砍所以我們才會從過去的773個所謂的地面地面站現在變成只有190幾個那這個當然\n這個當然是對我們將來如果再發生這種天災人禍的時候的通訊也會有影響那在AI推動包括剛剛委員有提到說我們這個很多AI的是在推動這個產業包括是遊戲產業軟體產業或制服產業或是電商等等等這些產業的推動跟補助跟輔導\n因為預算被刪也會有很嚴重影響所以對我們整個國家AI的發展也會有很嚴重的問題因為全世界AI都在進步大家都在我們在後面我們不能落後但是因為這次預算刪減對蘇發部來講我們又負責AI產業的推動所以這個東西確實有影響我們當然在有限經費之下我們盡量調整把這個可能的影響降到最低不過是一定有很大的影響\n是剛剛部長提到就是有關低軌衛星的部件計劃那我們也知道說這個對於整個國家就是面臨這個突發的一個災害不管是這個地震這種天災或者是其他的災害或者是緊急狀況之下政府要能夠保持穩定或者是不通過\n不中斷的通訊能力就是需要靠這樣子的一個數位韌性的一個基礎建設所以目前我們看到資料就是說我們速發部本來是要積極佈建在警消軍等關鍵單位部署773個非同步的衛星站點\n那現在預算被大幅的刪減之後我們目前可以設立的站點數就只剩下195個就只剩原來的195個就是四分之一所以這樣子也是會影響到整個民眾的民生問題有關這個安全通訊的一個問題所以我覺得說這個部分我們也一定要明確的讓民眾知道因為這個跟我們的生活也是息息相關的\n那另外有關這個資安的一個部分因為很多民眾就是也非常的關心那也剛我有關心這個打炸的一個問題那這個在資安的部分我們也看到最近就是有這個醫院被駭客入侵被駭客入侵的這種狀況發生那我們目前就是在這個部分我們抒發部有什麼樣的因應的一個措施\n這醫院入侵這個就是從最近這個這邊委員這邊簡報2月9號跟3月3號那2月9號這個馬歇醫院入侵當然就是他後來變成第三級的入侵事件算是比較嚴重那三級就只有一級所以還目前看目前是還好不過\n這個主要是說這種攻擊的手法因為一直在更新所以我們對醫院的未來的集合跟這個怎麼樣去跟衛護部合作在醫院加強這個治安的防護這個我們正在進行中不過這個剛剛講也沒錯因為預算被刪因為要抵抗這些自然攻擊靠的還是像AI的技術所以我們本來是有一些計畫是要用AI技術強化我們AI的防護能力叫自然的防護能力\n這個我有點擔心是因為因為預算的關係我們沒有辦法去再跟上駭客的或是詐騙集團的那種AI的那個攻擊的方法所以是我個人是蠻擔心的不過我們還是會盡量努力把這個問題盡量的把它排除讓我們國家的關鍵基礎建設系統還有政府的網路系統能夠安全能夠在提供民眾安全的一個服務的環境這樣\n是 我們就是在這個資安署還有資安院就是在今年度的預算 目前被煽動之後可以運用的這個數額大概剩多少\n資安院現在是被影響至少25%的預算因為很多剛講AI的資安研發在資安院那這部分因為刪減確實有影響那資安署主要最嚴重是因為出國經費全部被刪所以出國經費被刪造成我們跟很多國際的資安的交流訓練跟演練跟集合通通停止這個對未來我們資安的發展也是非常不利\n對 因為其實這個治安也是跟我們民眾的生活是息息相關就是我剛舉的那個例子就是有關醫院的這個被駭客入侵的這個部分也是跟我們民眾都是息息相關的那甚至跟整個國家安全也是息息相關的就是說包括這個電纜台體電纜的被破壞\n等等那這個部分因為我們本來也有預算是要來補助中華電信做電纜的一個強化跟修復的所以這個都在在會去影響到我們整體的這個資訊安全的一個部分所以在這個部分我們當然就是說部長也說會在有限的經費裡面來盡量來維持那畢竟就是說真的就像我剛剛有\n講的就是巧婦兩尾無米之炊那我們只能做最基本的一個維護那可能就是說在這個要更加的強化的部分可能就是沒有這個經費可以去做所以這個是對整個國家的安全有非常大的一個影響所以我們也就是說當然現在復疫案也沒過了然後那昨天最後的一個機會給這個在野黨那他們也是做了這樣子的一個選擇也是令我們非常的遺憾\n那我們也希望就是說那也要期許我們訴法部在部長的帶領之下那我們就是謹守我們自己的職責那我們也來盡力來維持我們應該做的一個事情這樣好 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.231 --> 00:11.188\n謝謝主席請主席邀請黃部長請部長委員好\n\n00:11.750 --> 00:29.703\n部長早安我們知道現在是一個科技化的一個時代所以有關這個整個不管是經濟發展或者是產業的一個轉型我們速發部也肩負著很大的一個重責大任因為我們相關的一些業務包括說這個數位基礎建設的一個強化或者是創新的研發或者是產業輔導等等這些工作\n\n00:37.449 --> 01:04.211\n可以說都是未來我們整個國家經濟動能或者是產業轉型一個很重要的一個支撐可是我們也知道說在一個新的年度的開始我們也是就是說針對年度要推動的一個政策跟計劃編列了相關的這個經費要來運用那我們看到昨天的這個就是我們在立法院就是行政院提出這個針對總預算的一個附議案\n\n01:05.071 --> 01:29.004\n也可以說已經就是有一個結果了那復業案沒有通過所以整個總預算也算是定案了嘛那我們看到就是在今年度數位部跟兩署的經費我們原本是總共編列了86.6億元嘛對不對對啦那在昨天這樣子的一個結果之後我們是確定被大幅刪減了35.8億是嗎那也凍結了18.7億\n\n01:34.307 --> 01:54.169\n那這樣子我們目前可運用的數額多少?32億多而已那如果扣掉人事費的話,也所剩無幾所以也有一句話說,巧婦然為無米之炊你沒有這個經費,你很多的工作要怎麼去推動呢?\n\n01:54.770 --> 02:19.981\n那今天還有這個民眾黨的委員在這邊說我們在交通委員會大家都很平和的在討論這個預算沒有大幅的一個刪減確實我們在委員會討論的時候因為我上個會期是當召委就是主持這個預算的一個審查確實我們也都是透過理性的一個討論在委員會也沒有做出很大幅的一個刪減跟凍結\n\n02:22.262 --> 02:48.229\n可是問題是在院會的時候他們透過黨團提出了這個三減案的這個數額這個就是預算的三減案這個是很明確的嘛說是已經定案了嘛所以我覺得這個就是一個事實了所以有關這個委員他這樣子的一個言論也是推行出這個國民黨跟民眾黨也不尊重這個委員會的中心主義嘛\n\n02:48.649 --> 03:05.670\n我們在委員會討論的結果結果在院會裡面就被他們整個翻盤了翻盤的結果目前的結果就是這樣子我們速發部在今年度目前就是說在解凍案還沒有解凍之前可運用的這個預算就只有32.1億\n\n03:07.572 --> 03:35.545\n所以這對整個我們今年度書法部要推動的一個政策影響非常的大那是不是可以請部長簡單說一下這樣子的結果對我們產業及民生的一個影響對那個謝謝委員的那個就是給我一個機會來做個說明那的確也沒錯啦就是這三點這麼多一定會受影響那幾個重要工作剛剛委員一直對關心幾個事比如打炸然後跟這個治安的問題那其實我們就是因為\n\n03:36.465 --> 03:51.811\n不管是駭客集團或者是詐騙集團他們都在進步他們都在用AI在做更進的詐騙的手法或是攻擊的手法那我們本來很多經費也是補助所以我們自己做研發我們也是要用AI去做更適當的防護\n\n03:52.771 --> 04:15.870\n那因為這個這個刪減就是刪減直接針對我們的一些研究單位的刪減和補助案所以我們現在這個研發一定這個一定會要做一些取捨就是有些工作就只能暫停那像韌性也是一樣就是我們在這個低軌衛星像剛剛講就是我們擔心將來不管是海嵐或是天災人禍因為通訊\n\n04:17.371 --> 04:34.176\n我們不希望通訊段能夠造成影響所以我們需要有不同的像微波或者是這個這個低軌衛星或中軌衛星的部件那這個都是需要經費那這個經費是被大砍所以我們才會從過去的773個所謂的地面地面站現在變成只有190幾個那這個當然\n\n04:37.117 --> 04:57.037\n這個當然是對我們將來如果再發生這種天災人禍的時候的通訊也會有影響那在AI推動包括剛剛委員有提到說我們這個很多AI的是在推動這個產業包括是遊戲產業軟體產業或制服產業或是電商等等等這些產業的推動跟補助跟輔導\n\n04:58.098 --> 05:24.907\n因為預算被刪也會有很嚴重影響所以對我們整個國家AI的發展也會有很嚴重的問題因為全世界AI都在進步大家都在我們在後面我們不能落後但是因為這次預算刪減對蘇發部來講我們又負責AI產業的推動所以這個東西確實有影響我們當然在有限經費之下我們盡量調整把這個可能的影響降到最低不過是一定有很大的影響\n\n05:25.663 --> 05:44.447\n是剛剛部長提到就是有關低軌衛星的部件計劃那我們也知道說這個對於整個國家就是面臨這個突發的一個災害不管是這個地震這種天災或者是其他的災害或者是緊急狀況之下政府要能夠保持穩定或者是不通過\n\n05:45.007 --> 06:02.194\n不中斷的通訊能力就是需要靠這樣子的一個數位韌性的一個基礎建設所以目前我們看到資料就是說我們速發部本來是要積極佈建在警消軍等關鍵單位部署773個非同步的衛星站點\n\n06:03.254 --> 06:30.543\n那現在預算被大幅的刪減之後我們目前可以設立的站點數就只剩下195個就只剩原來的195個就是四分之一所以這樣子也是會影響到整個民眾的民生問題有關這個安全通訊的一個問題所以我覺得說這個部分我們也一定要明確的讓民眾知道因為這個跟我們的生活也是息息相關的\n\n06:31.383 --> 06:56.179\n那另外有關這個資安的一個部分因為很多民眾就是也非常的關心那也剛我有關心這個打炸的一個問題那這個在資安的部分我們也看到最近就是有這個醫院被駭客入侵被駭客入侵的這種狀況發生那我們目前就是在這個部分我們抒發部有什麼樣的因應的一個措施\n\n06:57.038 --> 07:15.100\n這醫院入侵這個就是從最近這個這邊委員這邊簡報2月9號跟3月3號那2月9號這個馬歇醫院入侵當然就是他後來變成第三級的入侵事件算是比較嚴重那三級就只有一級所以還目前看目前是還好不過\n\n07:15.980 --> 07:40.987\n這個主要是說這種攻擊的手法因為一直在更新所以我們對醫院的未來的集合跟這個怎麼樣去跟衛護部合作在醫院加強這個治安的防護這個我們正在進行中不過這個剛剛講也沒錯因為預算被刪因為要抵抗這些自然攻擊靠的還是像AI的技術所以我們本來是有一些計畫是要用AI技術強化我們AI的防護能力叫自然的防護能力\n\n07:41.827 --> 08:06.326\n這個我有點擔心是因為因為預算的關係我們沒有辦法去再跟上駭客的或是詐騙集團的那種AI的那個攻擊的方法所以是我個人是蠻擔心的不過我們還是會盡量努力把這個問題盡量的把它排除讓我們國家的關鍵基礎建設系統還有政府的網路系統能夠安全能夠在提供民眾安全的一個服務的環境這樣\n\n08:07.130 --> 08:18.532\n是我們就是在這個資安署還有資安院就是在今年度的預算目前被煽動之後可以運用的這個數額大概剩多少\n\n08:21.822 --> 08:46.216\n資安院現在是被影響至少25%的預算因為很多剛講AI的資安研發在資安院那這部分因為刪減確實有影響那資安署主要最嚴重是因為出國經費全部被刪所以出國經費被刪造成我們跟很多國際的資安的交流訓練跟演練跟集合通通停止這個對未來我們資安的發展也是非常不利\n\n08:47.086 --> 09:05.662\n對因為其實這個治安也是跟我們民眾的生活是息息相關就是我剛舉的那個例子就是有關醫院的這個被駭客入侵的這個部分也是跟我們民眾都是息息相關的那甚至跟整個國家安全也是息息相關的就是說包括這個電纜台體電纜的被破壞\n\n09:08.104 --> 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