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\"end\": 642.001, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:07,376 --> 00:00:11,539\n謝謝會議主席本席有請次長董事長委員好\n\n2\n00:00:19,837 --> 00:00:43,501\n次長好次長今天在你們的報告中有特別講到108年的5月就修訂然後7月開始呢只要是就開始實施嘛等於是108年7月之後新建的大樓就規定要有這個充電樁的相關的保留這個空間跟設備對不對那為什麼當初會這樣\n\n3\n00:00:47,302 --> 00:01:15,170\n有這個法令通過實施是不是看到未來有這個整個電動車在台灣可能會開始民眾開始大量的來買是不是當時我們是配合國家的整體淨零碳排政策以及整個國際的趨勢所以我們就在相關的建築法規上面做一定的修正好啊那108年到現在過了多久了6年多了\n\n4\n00:01:16,229 --> 00:01:39,207\n六年多了為什麼我們今天談到公寓大廈裝設電動車相關的法令啊國家的標準啊建築設計管理維護甚至火災預防措施很多法令都還不完備吧我聽到您跟這個前面很多委員在答詢的時候哇還要三到六個月等於你們過去都沒在做\n\n5\n00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:58,904\n不是要跟委員報告就是說我們過去的法令涉及到的是電動樁的設置那電動樁的設置當然我們基本上就是以未來的趨勢所以才會在108年的時候制定法案是新的建築就設計那麼當然你這個法案這樣子定就表示說\n\n6\n00:01:59,924 --> 00:02:24,513\n要開始超前部署了嘛可是這6年都沒有其實我們都有相關的檢討但是還是很不足嘛到現在還是沒辦法要跟委員做一個報告就是說隨著科技技術的進步那麼第一個電動窗的設置是否為必要性設施其實隨著科技技術的進步他們有很多討論快速充電或者電池的改善就算不是電動窗但是有很多\n\n7\n00:02:25,753 --> 00:02:41,791\n相关的法令还是不完备我们后来面对到比较大的困难要不要做当然这个在我们委员会还有在立法院还没有一个定案但是现在就是管委会他们可以多数决由他们来表决\n\n8\n00:02:42,552 --> 00:03:07,032\n但是现在民众很多的疑虑那全部丢给民众啊政府也都没有解决嘛所以本席在这边大概归纳一下相关法令很多还不完备嘛这没有错嘛再来民众的安全疑虑民众的安全疑虑也等于是等一下我剩一点时间我也要跟你们来救教那民众的安全疑虑你都没有办法\n\n9\n00:03:08,477 --> 00:03:32,364\n讓他沒有安全疑慮所以才會造成整個館館會他們一定大部分是否決不希望除了新的社區大樓那再來還有一點可能我不知道你們知不知道現在所有水電工會的理事長他們都在反映一件事其實台灣的供電不足\n\n10\n00:03:33,646 --> 00:04:02,805\n好,这当然不是你内政部的事啦,但是这个整个跟这整个都有关,然后最后本席要讲的是,针对这种我们国家近邻碳排,还有我们新能源,甚至电动车,可能会是未来的趋势,那所以很多的相关法令,包含你看我们内政部,可能相关的消防署,国土署相关的法令,还有经济部,能源署,台电等等都有关,\n\n11\n00:04:03,966 --> 00:04:28,851\n我們好像缺少一個統合的其實現在不管什麼事情國家大政或民眾的需求我們中央就是缺少一個統合的單位統合的單位他才能夠去不然每一個問題來我就說這個是台電我負責把你的電配到你家門口進去以後那是別人的事所以這個我本心要表達這個才是最大的問題\n\n12\n00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:55,931\n那因為內政部你至少消防署跟國土署還有相關的法令在你們這所以本席在這裡是要提的是是不是可以有一個統合的看哪一個統合的單位他可以去統合包含對這裡有跨部會的協調這個都有必要那接著本席要來說其實針對社區大樓他是否裝置這個\n\n13\n00:04:59,110 --> 00:05:22,905\n充電樁是否裝置充電樁其實民眾最大的疑慮是好今天就算舊社區大樓就是108年以前的舊社區大樓他通過了他可以裝了您知道民眾碰到的問題是什麼嗎知道嗎他裝了之後應該就是除了消防安全之外就是電容的不足啦最主要是電容不足\n\n14\n00:05:24,036 --> 00:05:51,926\n電容的不足他很重要就是他一開始他一定是會先委託嘛委託一個充電樁公司或是一個合法的電器承裝業者他來做評估嘛評估完以後他要跟台電申請嘛那他跟台電申請之後跟台電申請之後台電配電了然後這個相關的委託單位他也來做安裝了那\n\n15\n00:05:52,878 --> 00:06:22,281\n可是他們會覺得說那施工完成以後請問這個施工完成需不需要有人來確認這個施工是否按照他的圖或是施工是不是OK這個部分有沒有哪一個單位可以來幫他們做確認施工後的把關這個我是不是請台電來做說明在裡面的施工也是台電嗎這表後是台電那可以\n\n16\n00:06:31,613 --> 00:06:44,680\n委員報告這個用戶他這個委託電器陳莊業做好以後他會跟台電報竣工那台電會配合他去做檢查那檢查以後如果合格我們就會送電你們台電會做什麼檢查\n\n17\n00:06:46,861 --> 00:07:12,381\n你會看他有沒有照施工圖施工有沒有偷工減料沒有吧我們會按照他所畫的圖面去跟他核對例如說這個導線陷阱有沒有符合他的圖面那另外就是他的開關有沒有按照他的原來提出來的去設那最後就是他的東西是不是經過我們認證的就是我們標準級認證合格的設備如果都通過了我們才會正式的送電這樣子是\n\n18\n00:07:14,027 --> 00:07:33,943\n那剛剛次長您有回答就是說對民眾也很大的碰到的問題就是他要舊社區要裝這個充電樁他整個電路的空間不足對不對還有配電盤可能整個的不夠那這個該怎麼辦這個他就是要合法再申請\n\n19\n00:07:35,296 --> 00:07:49,823\n我說明一下這就是在做這個在做這個充電的這個設備的時候他也必須要跟台電來申請相關的契約容量增加那要設置新的他空間不足怎麼辦那這不是空間不足他線路的空間啊\n\n20\n00:07:50,984 --> 00:08:06,005\n他是這樣所以就是我們剛剛所講的你如果拉的是明線如果拉的是明線沒有涉及破壞牆面那基本上只要台電這邊審查通過有增加契約容量這樣按照台電的規範來設置那其實是沒有問題\n\n21\n00:08:06,866 --> 00:08:24,382\n那另外一種就是如果你涉及必須要破壞牆面必須要穿牆那這個有可能會影響他的防火區劃那如果影響防火區劃他就必須要重新在建造上面重新送繩所以該委員所接到民眾的反應大概是這一類的問題就是他如果有需要破壞牆面的話\n\n22\n00:08:26,380 --> 00:08:42,477\n就其實像新竹前空會它就是因為有破壞牆面對對對才會造成這類然後它又沒有做好相關的這個防火的填塞或那一類的問題所以充電樁如果要自己另外搭線也有可能是遇到這個問題好\n\n23\n00:08:46,673 --> 00:08:59,966\n那所以次長我們這個統合的單位像比如說像今天你有的請台電有的可能消防署有的國土署那我們有沒有可能內政部可以有一個統合的單位\n\n24\n00:09:01,675 --> 00:09:11,221\n跟委員報告基本上屬於因為我們這次討論的議題是公益大廈管理條例內的公益大廈內部的充電不是要針對今天討論而已而是說我們針對現在的這個現況針對這個現況就是說電動車的充電的設置設備其實我們內政部基本上就是說針對相關的空間包括室內空間戶外空間以及它的防火設備等等我們都會一併做討論而且會跟相關的交通部經濟部我們做橫向的聯繫\n\n25\n00:09:29,654 --> 00:09:48,376\n因為這個涉及到他們在設置的時候他們其實也是要依我們的規範比方說你在戶外設充電樁我們也希望說你的充電樁的設置必須要靠近水源那你必須要有防火區隔等等這些相關的規範我們都會跟台電我們會跟經濟部跟交通部一併來討論\n\n26\n00:09:50,697 --> 00:10:09,115\n好那所以有些是內政部主管的有些法令規範還不足那你應該知道有些是可能跟經濟部有關的或是環境部跟經濟部比如像那個對電纜線的密度兼具負載一定的技術規範這個是消防嗎這個是消防署對\n\n27\n00:10:13,285 --> 00:10:15,867\n這是經濟部如果線路之間的話是經濟部對所以這一塊你看我們真的需要有一個統合的單位然後盡快的來把這些相關法令盡快完備因為你看你\n\n28\n00:10:29,628 --> 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次長今天在你們的報告中有特別講到108年的5月就修訂然後7月開始呢只要是就開始實施嘛等於是108年7月之後新建的大樓就規定要有這個充電樁的相關的保留這個空間跟設備對不對那為什麼當初會這樣\n47302\t75170\t有這個法令通過實施是不是看到未來有這個整個電動車在台灣可能會開始民眾開始大量的來買是不是當時我們是配合國家的整體淨零碳排政策以及整個國際的趨勢所以我們就在相關的建築法規上面做一定的修正好啊那108年到現在過了多久了6年多了\n76229\t99207\t六年多了為什麼我們今天談到公寓大廈裝設電動車相關的法令啊國家的標準啊建築設計管理維護甚至火災預防措施很多法令都還不完備吧我聽到您跟這個前面很多委員在答詢的時候哇還要三到六個月等於你們過去都沒在做\n99933\t118904\t不是要跟委員報告就是說我們過去的法令涉及到的是電動樁的設置那電動樁的設置當然我們基本上就是以未來的趨勢所以才會在108年的時候制定法案是新的建築就設計那麼當然你這個法案這樣子定就表示說\n119924\t144513\t要開始超前部署了嘛可是這6年都沒有其實我們都有相關的檢討但是還是很不足嘛到現在還是沒辦法要跟委員做一個報告就是說隨著科技技術的進步那麼第一個電動窗的設置是否為必要性設施其實隨著科技技術的進步他們有很多討論快速充電或者電池的改善就算不是電動窗但是有很多\n145753\t161791\t相关的法令还是不完备我们后来面对到比较大的困难要不要做当然这个在我们委员会还有在立法院还没有一个定案但是现在就是管委会他们可以多数决由他们来表决\n162552\t187032\t但是现在民众很多的疑虑那全部丢给民众啊政府也都没有解决嘛所以本席在这边大概归纳一下相关法令很多还不完备嘛这没有错嘛再来民众的安全疑虑民众的安全疑虑也等于是等一下我剩一点时间我也要跟你们来救教那民众的安全疑虑你都没有办法\n188477\t212364\t讓他沒有安全疑慮所以才會造成整個館館會他們一定大部分是否決不希望除了新的社區大樓那再來還有一點可能我不知道你們知不知道現在所有水電工會的理事長他們都在反映一件事其實台灣的供電不足\n213646\t242805\t好,这当然不是你内政部的事啦,但是这个整个跟这整个都有关,然后最后本席要讲的是,针对这种我们国家近邻碳排,还有我们新能源,甚至电动车,可能会是未来的趋势,那所以很多的相关法令,包含你看我们内政部,可能相关的消防署,国土署相关的法令,还有经济部,能源署,台电等等都有关,\n243966\t268851\t我們好像缺少一個統合的其實現在不管什麼事情國家大政或民眾的需求我們中央就是缺少一個統合的單位統合的單位他才能夠去不然每一個問題來我就說這個是台電我負責把你的電配到你家門口進去以後那是別人的事所以這個我本心要表達這個才是最大的問題\n270990\t295931\t那因為內政部你至少消防署跟國土署還有相關的法令在你們這所以本席在這裡是要提的是是不是可以有一個統合的看哪一個統合的單位他可以去統合包含對這裡有跨部會的協調這個都有必要那接著本席要來說其實針對社區大樓他是否裝置這個\n299110\t322905\t充電樁是否裝置充電樁其實民眾最大的疑慮是好今天就算舊社區大樓就是108年以前的舊社區大樓他通過了他可以裝了您知道民眾碰到的問題是什麼嗎知道嗎他裝了之後應該就是除了消防安全之外就是電容的不足啦最主要是電容不足\n324036\t351926\t電容的不足他很重要就是他一開始他一定是會先委託嘛委託一個充電樁公司或是一個合法的電器承裝業者他來做評估嘛評估完以後他要跟台電申請嘛那他跟台電申請之後跟台電申請之後台電配電了然後這個相關的委託單位他也來做安裝了那\n352878\t382281\t可是他們會覺得說那施工完成以後請問這個施工完成需不需要有人來確認這個施工是否按照他的圖或是施工是不是OK這個部分有沒有哪一個單位可以來幫他們做確認施工後的把關這個我是不是請台電來做說明在裡面的施工也是台電嗎這表後是台電那可以\n391613\t404680\t委員報告這個用戶他這個委託電器陳莊業做好以後他會跟台電報竣工那台電會配合他去做檢查那檢查以後如果合格我們就會送電你們台電會做什麼檢查\n406861\t432381\t你會看他有沒有照施工圖施工有沒有偷工減料沒有吧我們會按照他所畫的圖面去跟他核對例如說這個導線陷阱有沒有符合他的圖面那另外就是他的開關有沒有按照他的原來提出來的去設那最後就是他的東西是不是經過我們認證的就是我們標準級認證合格的設備如果都通過了我們才會正式的送電這樣子是\n434027\t453943\t那剛剛次長您有回答就是說對民眾也很大的碰到的問題就是他要舊社區要裝這個充電樁他整個電路的空間不足對不對還有配電盤可能整個的不夠那這個該怎麼辦這個他就是要合法再申請\n455296\t469823\t我說明一下這就是在做這個在做這個充電的這個設備的時候他也必須要跟台電來申請相關的契約容量增加那要設置新的他空間不足怎麼辦那這不是空間不足他線路的空間啊\n470984\t486005\t他是這樣所以就是我們剛剛所講的你如果拉的是明線如果拉的是明線沒有涉及破壞牆面那基本上只要台電這邊審查通過有增加契約容量這樣按照台電的規範來設置那其實是沒有問題\n486866\t504382\t那另外一種就是如果你涉及必須要破壞牆面必須要穿牆那這個有可能會影響他的防火區劃那如果影響防火區劃他就必須要重新在建造上面重新送繩所以該委員所接到民眾的反應大概是這一類的問題就是他如果有需要破壞牆面的話\n506380\t522477\t就其實像新竹前空會它就是因為有破壞牆面對對對才會造成這類然後它又沒有做好相關的這個防火的填塞或那一類的問題所以充電樁如果要自己另外搭線也有可能是遇到這個問題好\n526673\t539966\t那所以次長我們這個統合的單位像比如說像今天你有的請台電有的可能消防署有的國土署那我們有沒有可能內政部可以有一個統合的單位\n541675\t551221\t跟委員報告基本上屬於因為我們這次討論的議題是公益大廈管理條例內的公益大廈內部的充電不是要針對今天討論而已而是說我們針對現在的這個現況針對這個現況就是說電動車的充電的設置設備其實我們內政部基本上就是說針對相關的空間包括室內空間戶外空間以及它的防火設備等等我們都會一併做討論而且會跟相關的交通部經濟部我們做橫向的聯繫\n569654\t588376\t因為這個涉及到他們在設置的時候他們其實也是要依我們的規範比方說你在戶外設充電樁我們也希望說你的充電樁的設置必須要靠近水源那你必須要有防火區隔等等這些相關的規範我們都會跟台電我們會跟經濟部跟交通部一併來討論\n590697\t609115\t好那所以有些是內政部主管的有些法令規範還不足那你應該知道有些是可能跟經濟部有關的或是環境部跟經濟部比如像那個對電纜線的密度兼具負載一定的技術規範這個是消防嗎這個是消防署對\n613285\t615867\t這是經濟部如果線路之間的話是經濟部對所以這一塊你看我們真的需要有一個統合的單位然後盡快的來把這些相關法令盡快完備因為你看你\n629628\t642001\t七年前你就已經頒布這個社區大樓要預留這個空間但我們現在真正要設置的時候哇 民眾自愛難行啊好不好 我們快馬加鞭啊我們儘速來召開相關的會議來討論謝謝委員的指教謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝會議主席 本席有請次長董事長委員好\n次長好 次長今天在你們的報告中有特別講到108年的5月就修訂然後7月開始呢只要是就開始實施嘛等於是108年7月之後新建的大樓就規定要有這個充電樁的相關的保留這個空間跟設備對不對那為什麼當初會這樣\n有這個法令通過實施是不是看到未來有這個整個電動車在台灣可能會開始民眾開始大量的來買是不是當時我們是配合國家的整體淨零碳排政策以及整個國際的趨勢所以我們就在相關的建築法規上面做一定的修正好啊那108年到現在過了多久了6年多了\n六年多了為什麼我們今天談到公寓大廈裝設電動車相關的法令啊國家的標準啊建築設計管理維護甚至火災預防措施很多法令都還不完備吧我聽到您跟這個前面很多委員在答詢的時候哇還要三到六個月等於你們過去都沒在做\n不是要跟委員報告就是說我們過去的法令涉及到的是電動樁的設置那電動樁的設置當然我們基本上就是以未來的趨勢所以才會在108年的時候制定法案是新的建築就設計那麼當然你這個法案這樣子定就表示說\n要開始超前部署了嘛可是這6年都沒有其實我們都有相關的檢討但是還是很不足嘛到現在還是沒辦法要跟委員做一個報告就是說隨著科技技術的進步那麼第一個電動窗的設置是否為必要性設施其實隨著科技技術的進步他們有很多討論快速充電或者電池的改善就算不是電動窗但是有很多\n相关的法令还是不完备我们后来面对到比较大的困难要不要做当然这个在我们委员会还有在立法院还没有一个定案但是现在就是管委会他们可以多数决由他们来表决\n但是现在民众很多的疑虑那全部丢给民众啊政府也都没有解决嘛所以本席在这边大概归纳一下相关法令很多还不完备嘛这没有错嘛再来民众的安全疑虑民众的安全疑虑也等于是等一下我剩一点时间我也要跟你们来救教那民众的安全疑虑你都没有办法\n讓他沒有安全疑慮所以才會造成整個館館會他們一定大部分是否決不希望除了新的社區大樓那再來還有一點可能我不知道你們知不知道現在所有水電工會的理事長他們都在反映一件事其實台灣的供電不足\n好,这当然不是你内政部的事啦,但是这个整个跟这整个都有关,然后最后本席要讲的是,针对这种我们国家近邻碳排,还有我们新能源,甚至电动车,可能会是未来的趋势,那所以很多的相关法令,包含你看我们内政部,可能相关的消防署,国土署相关的法令,还有经济部,能源署,台电等等都有关,\n我們好像缺少一個統合的其實現在不管什麼事情國家大政或民眾的需求我們中央就是缺少一個統合的單位統合的單位他才能夠去不然每一個問題來我就說這個是台電我負責把你的電配到你家門口進去以後那是別人的事所以這個我本心要表達這個才是最大的問題\n那因為內政部你至少消防署跟國土署還有相關的法令在你們這所以本席在這裡是要提的是是不是可以有一個統合的看哪一個統合的單位他可以去統合包含對這裡有跨部會的協調這個都有必要那接著本席要來說其實針對社區大樓他是否裝置這個\n充電樁是否裝置充電樁其實民眾最大的疑慮是好今天就算舊社區大樓就是108年以前的舊社區大樓他通過了他可以裝了您知道民眾碰到的問題是什麼嗎知道嗎他裝了之後應該就是除了消防安全之外就是電容的不足啦最主要是電容不足\n電容的不足他很重要就是他一開始他一定是會先委託嘛委託一個充電樁公司或是一個合法的電器承裝業者他來做評估嘛評估完以後他要跟台電申請嘛那他跟台電申請之後跟台電申請之後台電配電了然後這個相關的委託單位他也來做安裝了那\n可是他們會覺得說那施工完成以後請問這個施工完成需不需要有人來確認這個施工是否按照他的圖或是施工是不是OK這個部分有沒有哪一個單位可以來幫他們做確認施工後的把關這個我是不是請台電來做說明在裡面的施工也是台電嗎這表後是台電那可以\n委員報告這個用戶他這個委託電器陳莊業做好以後他會跟台電報竣工那台電會配合他去做檢查那檢查以後如果合格我們就會送電你們台電會做什麼檢查\n你會看他有沒有照施工圖施工有沒有偷工減料沒有吧我們會按照他所畫的圖面去跟他核對例如說這個導線陷阱有沒有符合他的圖面那另外就是他的開關有沒有按照他的原來提出來的去設那最後就是他的東西是不是經過我們認證的就是我們標準級認證合格的設備如果都通過了我們才會正式的送電這樣子是\n那剛剛次長您有回答就是說對民眾也很大的碰到的問題就是他要舊社區要裝這個充電樁他整個電路的空間不足對不對還有配電盤可能整個的不夠那這個該怎麼辦這個他就是要合法再申請\n我說明一下這就是在做這個在做這個充電的這個設備的時候他也必須要跟台電來申請相關的契約容量增加那要設置新的他空間不足怎麼辦那這不是空間不足他線路的空間啊\n他是這樣所以就是我們剛剛所講的你如果拉的是明線如果拉的是明線沒有涉及破壞牆面那基本上只要台電這邊審查通過有增加契約容量這樣按照台電的規範來設置那其實是沒有問題\n那另外一種就是如果你涉及必須要破壞牆面必須要穿牆那這個有可能會影響他的防火區劃那如果影響防火區劃他就必須要重新在建造上面重新送繩所以該委員所接到民眾的反應大概是這一類的問題就是他如果有需要破壞牆面的話\n就其實像新竹前空會它就是因為有破壞牆面對對對才會造成這類然後它又沒有做好相關的這個防火的填塞或那一類的問題所以充電樁如果要自己另外搭線也有可能是遇到這個問題好\n那所以次長我們這個統合的單位像比如說像今天你有的請台電有的可能消防署有的國土署那我們有沒有可能內政部可以有一個統合的單位\n跟委員報告基本上屬於因為我們這次討論的議題是公益大廈管理條例內的公益大廈內部的充電不是要針對今天討論而已而是說我們針對現在的這個現況針對這個現況就是說電動車的充電的設置設備其實我們內政部基本上就是說針對相關的空間包括室內空間戶外空間以及它的防火設備等等我們都會一併做討論而且會跟相關的交通部經濟部我們做橫向的聯繫\n因為這個涉及到他們在設置的時候他們其實也是要依我們的規範比方說你在戶外設充電樁我們也希望說你的充電樁的設置必須要靠近水源那你必須要有防火區隔等等這些相關的規範我們都會跟台電我們會跟經濟部跟交通部一併來討論\n好那所以有些是內政部主管的有些法令規範還不足那你應該知道有些是可能跟經濟部有關的或是環境部跟經濟部比如像那個對電纜線的密度兼具負載一定的技術規範這個是消防嗎這個是消防署對\n這是經濟部如果線路之間的話是經濟部對所以這一塊你看我們真的需要有一個統合的單位然後盡快的來把這些相關法令盡快完備因為你看你\n七年前你就已經頒布這個社區大樓要預留這個空間但我們現在真正要設置的時候哇 民眾自愛難行啊好不好 我們快馬加鞭啊我們儘速來召開相關的會議來討論謝謝委員的指教謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.376 --> 00:11.539\n謝謝會議主席本席有請次長董事長委員好\n\n00:19.837 --> 00:43.501\n次長好次長今天在你們的報告中有特別講到108年的5月就修訂然後7月開始呢只要是就開始實施嘛等於是108年7月之後新建的大樓就規定要有這個充電樁的相關的保留這個空間跟設備對不對那為什麼當初會這樣\n\n00:47.302 --> 01:15.170\n有這個法令通過實施是不是看到未來有這個整個電動車在台灣可能會開始民眾開始大量的來買是不是當時我們是配合國家的整體淨零碳排政策以及整個國際的趨勢所以我們就在相關的建築法規上面做一定的修正好啊那108年到現在過了多久了6年多了\n\n01:16.229 --> 01:39.207\n六年多了為什麼我們今天談到公寓大廈裝設電動車相關的法令啊國家的標準啊建築設計管理維護甚至火災預防措施很多法令都還不完備吧我聽到您跟這個前面很多委員在答詢的時候哇還要三到六個月等於你們過去都沒在做\n\n01:39.933 --> 01:58.904\n不是要跟委員報告就是說我們過去的法令涉及到的是電動樁的設置那電動樁的設置當然我們基本上就是以未來的趨勢所以才會在108年的時候制定法案是新的建築就設計那麼當然你這個法案這樣子定就表示說\n\n01:59.924 --> 02:24.513\n要開始超前部署了嘛可是這6年都沒有其實我們都有相關的檢討但是還是很不足嘛到現在還是沒辦法要跟委員做一個報告就是說隨著科技技術的進步那麼第一個電動窗的設置是否為必要性設施其實隨著科技技術的進步他們有很多討論快速充電或者電池的改善就算不是電動窗但是有很多\n\n02:25.753 --> 02:41.791\n相关的法令还是不完备我们后来面对到比较大的困难要不要做当然这个在我们委员会还有在立法院还没有一个定案但是现在就是管委会他们可以多数决由他们来表决\n\n02:42.552 --> 03:07.032\n但是现在民众很多的疑虑那全部丢给民众啊政府也都没有解决嘛所以本席在这边大概归纳一下相关法令很多还不完备嘛这没有错嘛再来民众的安全疑虑民众的安全疑虑也等于是等一下我剩一点时间我也要跟你们来救教那民众的安全疑虑你都没有办法\n\n03:08.477 --> 03:32.364\n讓他沒有安全疑慮所以才會造成整個館館會他們一定大部分是否決不希望除了新的社區大樓那再來還有一點可能我不知道你們知不知道現在所有水電工會的理事長他們都在反映一件事其實台灣的供電不足\n\n03:33.646 --> 04:02.805\n好,这当然不是你内政部的事啦,但是这个整个跟这整个都有关,然后最后本席要讲的是,针对这种我们国家近邻碳排,还有我们新能源,甚至电动车,可能会是未来的趋势,那所以很多的相关法令,包含你看我们内政部,可能相关的消防署,国土署相关的法令,还有经济部,能源署,台电等等都有关,\n\n04:03.966 --> 04:28.851\n我們好像缺少一個統合的其實現在不管什麼事情國家大政或民眾的需求我們中央就是缺少一個統合的單位統合的單位他才能夠去不然每一個問題來我就說這個是台電我負責把你的電配到你家門口進去以後那是別人的事所以這個我本心要表達這個才是最大的問題\n\n04:30.990 --> 04:55.931\n那因為內政部你至少消防署跟國土署還有相關的法令在你們這所以本席在這裡是要提的是是不是可以有一個統合的看哪一個統合的單位他可以去統合包含對這裡有跨部會的協調這個都有必要那接著本席要來說其實針對社區大樓他是否裝置這個\n\n04:59.110 --> 05:22.905\n充電樁是否裝置充電樁其實民眾最大的疑慮是好今天就算舊社區大樓就是108年以前的舊社區大樓他通過了他可以裝了您知道民眾碰到的問題是什麼嗎知道嗎他裝了之後應該就是除了消防安全之外就是電容的不足啦最主要是電容不足\n\n05:24.036 --> 05:51.926\n電容的不足他很重要就是他一開始他一定是會先委託嘛委託一個充電樁公司或是一個合法的電器承裝業者他來做評估嘛評估完以後他要跟台電申請嘛那他跟台電申請之後跟台電申請之後台電配電了然後這個相關的委託單位他也來做安裝了那\n\n05:52.878 --> 06:22.281\n可是他們會覺得說那施工完成以後請問這個施工完成需不需要有人來確認這個施工是否按照他的圖或是施工是不是OK這個部分有沒有哪一個單位可以來幫他們做確認施工後的把關這個我是不是請台電來做說明在裡面的施工也是台電嗎這表後是台電那可以\n\n06:31.613 --> 06:44.680\n委員報告這個用戶他這個委託電器陳莊業做好以後他會跟台電報竣工那台電會配合他去做檢查那檢查以後如果合格我們就會送電你們台電會做什麼檢查\n\n06:46.861 --> 07:12.381\n你會看他有沒有照施工圖施工有沒有偷工減料沒有吧我們會按照他所畫的圖面去跟他核對例如說這個導線陷阱有沒有符合他的圖面那另外就是他的開關有沒有按照他的原來提出來的去設那最後就是他的東西是不是經過我們認證的就是我們標準級認證合格的設備如果都通過了我們才會正式的送電這樣子是\n\n07:14.027 --> 07:33.943\n那剛剛次長您有回答就是說對民眾也很大的碰到的問題就是他要舊社區要裝這個充電樁他整個電路的空間不足對不對還有配電盤可能整個的不夠那這個該怎麼辦這個他就是要合法再申請\n\n07:35.296 --> 07:49.823\n我說明一下這就是在做這個在做這個充電的這個設備的時候他也必須要跟台電來申請相關的契約容量增加那要設置新的他空間不足怎麼辦那這不是空間不足他線路的空間啊\n\n07:50.984 --> 08:06.005\n他是這樣所以就是我們剛剛所講的你如果拉的是明線如果拉的是明線沒有涉及破壞牆面那基本上只要台電這邊審查通過有增加契約容量這樣按照台電的規範來設置那其實是沒有問題\n\n08:06.866 --> 08:24.382\n那另外一種就是如果你涉及必須要破壞牆面必須要穿牆那這個有可能會影響他的防火區劃那如果影響防火區劃他就必須要重新在建造上面重新送繩所以該委員所接到民眾的反應大概是這一類的問題就是他如果有需要破壞牆面的話\n\n08:26.380 --> 08:42.477\n就其實像新竹前空會它就是因為有破壞牆面對對對才會造成這類然後它又沒有做好相關的這個防火的填塞或那一類的問題所以充電樁如果要自己另外搭線也有可能是遇到這個問題好\n\n08:46.673 --> 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次長今天在你們的報告中有特別講到108年的5月就修訂然後7月開始呢只要是就開始實施嘛等於是108年7月之後新建的大樓就規定要有這個充電樁的相關的保留這個空間跟設備對不對那為什麼當初會這樣"},{"start":47.302,"end":75.17,"text":"有這個法令通過實施是不是看到未來有這個整個電動車在台灣可能會開始民眾開始大量的來買是不是當時我們是配合國家的整體淨零碳排政策以及整個國際的趨勢所以我們就在相關的建築法規上面做一定的修正好啊那108年到現在過了多久了6年多了"},{"start":76.229,"end":99.207,"text":"六年多了為什麼我們今天談到公寓大廈裝設電動車相關的法令啊國家的標準啊建築設計管理維護甚至火災預防措施很多法令都還不完備吧我聽到您跟這個前面很多委員在答詢的時候哇還要三到六個月等於你們過去都沒在做"},{"start":99.933,"end":118.904,"text":"不是要跟委員報告就是說我們過去的法令涉及到的是電動樁的設置那電動樁的設置當然我們基本上就是以未來的趨勢所以才會在108年的時候制定法案是新的建築就設計那麼當然你這個法案這樣子定就表示說"},{"start":119.924,"end":144.513,"text":"要開始超前部署了嘛可是這6年都沒有其實我們都有相關的檢討但是還是很不足嘛到現在還是沒辦法要跟委員做一個報告就是說隨著科技技術的進步那麼第一個電動窗的設置是否為必要性設施其實隨著科技技術的進步他們有很多討論快速充電或者電池的改善就算不是電動窗但是有很多"},{"start":145.753,"end":161.791,"text":"相关的法令还是不完备我们后来面对到比较大的困难要不要做当然这个在我们委员会还有在立法院还没有一个定案但是现在就是管委会他们可以多数决由他们来表决"},{"start":162.552,"end":187.032,"text":"但是现在民众很多的疑虑那全部丢给民众啊政府也都没有解决嘛所以本席在这边大概归纳一下相关法令很多还不完备嘛这没有错嘛再来民众的安全疑虑民众的安全疑虑也等于是等一下我剩一点时间我也要跟你们来救教那民众的安全疑虑你都没有办法"},{"start":188.477,"end":212.364,"text":"讓他沒有安全疑慮所以才會造成整個館館會他們一定大部分是否決不希望除了新的社區大樓那再來還有一點可能我不知道你們知不知道現在所有水電工會的理事長他們都在反映一件事其實台灣的供電不足"},{"start":213.646,"end":242.805,"text":"好,这当然不是你内政部的事啦,但是这个整个跟这整个都有关,然后最后本席要讲的是,针对这种我们国家近邻碳排,还有我们新能源,甚至电动车,可能会是未来的趋势,那所以很多的相关法令,包含你看我们内政部,可能相关的消防署,国土署相关的法令,还有经济部,能源署,台电等等都有关,"},{"start":243.966,"end":268.851,"text":"我們好像缺少一個統合的其實現在不管什麼事情國家大政或民眾的需求我們中央就是缺少一個統合的單位統合的單位他才能夠去不然每一個問題來我就說這個是台電我負責把你的電配到你家門口進去以後那是別人的事所以這個我本心要表達這個才是最大的問題"},{"start":270.99,"end":295.931,"text":"那因為內政部你至少消防署跟國土署還有相關的法令在你們這所以本席在這裡是要提的是是不是可以有一個統合的看哪一個統合的單位他可以去統合包含對這裡有跨部會的協調這個都有必要那接著本席要來說其實針對社區大樓他是否裝置這個"},{"start":299.11,"end":322.905,"text":"充電樁是否裝置充電樁其實民眾最大的疑慮是好今天就算舊社區大樓就是108年以前的舊社區大樓他通過了他可以裝了您知道民眾碰到的問題是什麼嗎知道嗎他裝了之後應該就是除了消防安全之外就是電容的不足啦最主要是電容不足"},{"start":324.036,"end":351.926,"text":"電容的不足他很重要就是他一開始他一定是會先委託嘛委託一個充電樁公司或是一個合法的電器承裝業者他來做評估嘛評估完以後他要跟台電申請嘛那他跟台電申請之後跟台電申請之後台電配電了然後這個相關的委託單位他也來做安裝了那"},{"start":352.878,"end":382.281,"text":"可是他們會覺得說那施工完成以後請問這個施工完成需不需要有人來確認這個施工是否按照他的圖或是施工是不是OK這個部分有沒有哪一個單位可以來幫他們做確認施工後的把關這個我是不是請台電來做說明在裡面的施工也是台電嗎這表後是台電那可以"},{"start":391.613,"end":404.68,"text":"委員報告這個用戶他這個委託電器陳莊業做好以後他會跟台電報竣工那台電會配合他去做檢查那檢查以後如果合格我們就會送電你們台電會做什麼檢查"},{"start":406.861,"end":432.381,"text":"你會看他有沒有照施工圖施工有沒有偷工減料沒有吧我們會按照他所畫的圖面去跟他核對例如說這個導線陷阱有沒有符合他的圖面那另外就是他的開關有沒有按照他的原來提出來的去設那最後就是他的東西是不是經過我們認證的就是我們標準級認證合格的設備如果都通過了我們才會正式的送電這樣子是"},{"start":434.027,"end":453.943,"text":"那剛剛次長您有回答就是說對民眾也很大的碰到的問題就是他要舊社區要裝這個充電樁他整個電路的空間不足對不對還有配電盤可能整個的不夠那這個該怎麼辦這個他就是要合法再申請"},{"start":455.296,"end":469.823,"text":"我說明一下這就是在做這個在做這個充電的這個設備的時候他也必須要跟台電來申請相關的契約容量增加那要設置新的他空間不足怎麼辦那這不是空間不足他線路的空間啊"},{"start":470.984,"end":486.005,"text":"他是這樣所以就是我們剛剛所講的你如果拉的是明線如果拉的是明線沒有涉及破壞牆面那基本上只要台電這邊審查通過有增加契約容量這樣按照台電的規範來設置那其實是沒有問題"},{"start":486.866,"end":504.382,"text":"那另外一種就是如果你涉及必須要破壞牆面必須要穿牆那這個有可能會影響他的防火區劃那如果影響防火區劃他就必須要重新在建造上面重新送繩所以該委員所接到民眾的反應大概是這一類的問題就是他如果有需要破壞牆面的話"},{"start":506.38,"end":522.477,"text":"就其實像新竹前空會它就是因為有破壞牆面對對對才會造成這類然後它又沒有做好相關的這個防火的填塞或那一類的問題所以充電樁如果要自己另外搭線也有可能是遇到這個問題好"},{"start":526.673,"end":539.966,"text":"那所以次長我們這個統合的單位像比如說像今天你有的請台電有的可能消防署有的國土署那我們有沒有可能內政部可以有一個統合的單位"},{"start":541.675,"end":551.221,"text":"跟委員報告基本上屬於因為我們這次討論的議題是公益大廈管理條例內的公益大廈內部的充電不是要針對今天討論而已而是說我們針對現在的這個現況針對這個現況就是說電動車的充電的設置設備其實我們內政部基本上就是說針對相關的空間包括室內空間戶外空間以及它的防火設備等等我們都會一併做討論而且會跟相關的交通部經濟部我們做橫向的聯繫"},{"start":569.654,"end":588.376,"text":"因為這個涉及到他們在設置的時候他們其實也是要依我們的規範比方說你在戶外設充電樁我們也希望說你的充電樁的設置必須要靠近水源那你必須要有防火區隔等等這些相關的規範我們都會跟台電我們會跟經濟部跟交通部一併來討論"},{"start":590.697,"end":609.115,"text":"好那所以有些是內政部主管的有些法令規範還不足那你應該知道有些是可能跟經濟部有關的或是環境部跟經濟部比如像那個對電纜線的密度兼具負載一定的技術規範這個是消防嗎這個是消防署對"},{"start":613.285,"end":615.867,"text":"這是經濟部如果線路之間的話是經濟部對所以這一塊你看我們真的需要有一個統合的單位然後盡快的來把這些相關法令盡快完備因為你看你"},{"start":629.628,"end":642.001,"text":"七年前你就已經頒布這個社區大樓要預留這個空間但我們現在真正要設置的時候哇 民眾自愛難行啊好不好 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