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00:01:27,140\n首先在青年的定義問題上面我想因為其實現在世界各國對於青年的定義上面大概就是19到34歲但是我們今年在這個青年政策白皮書裡面我們去邀請的對象是15到40歲\n\n5\n00:01:29,362 --> 00:01:45,897\n所以我想要了解因為如果我們從35歲以下來看以台灣來說我們大概是21%的人口規模所以我們今年在這個收集意見的時候卻框到40歲所以我想要了解就是說到底未來我們在講青年基本法我們的上限是要框到40歲還是35歲想要請教次長的意見\n\n6\n00:01:48,983 --> 00:02:06,262\n報告委員目前我們的草案是18歲到35歲18歲到35歲OK好了解那我想問一下就是說再來第二個部分就是專責機關的部分就是說雖然說我們現在其實是有這個親資會但是它其實並沒有一個相關的法源\n\n7\n00:02:07,203 --> 00:02:29,820\n那目前青年署是在教育部的職長以下嘛可是以三級機關來說他的這些職責啦還有業務啦以及青年問題涉及非常非常的廣嘛就業啦還有這個那個求學啊還有居住的問題其實都在這個層面所以顯然這個是不是現在這個清罰署\n\n8\n00:02:32,782 --> 00:02:53,583\n很難去解決對應到這些經濟安全心理健康跟社會正義的問題所以想要了解就是說是否有機會來去爭取提到二級機關呢市長您的想法是跟委員報告目前的規劃就是整個專責單位就是教育部在教育部然後但是我們就是剛講了嘛\n\n9\n00:02:54,104 --> 00:03:08,632\n大家最在乎的如果以這個最在乎的問題經濟安全嘛這是也是不屬於在經濟部的心理健康社會正義這都不屬於在教育部的那一個清法署三級機關要如何的去協調各個部會我想這還是一個非常貞節的一個問題\n\n10\n00:03:09,172 --> 00:03:31,576\n那跟委員報告因為這個很多委員的條文裡面都有提到建議說行政院應該定期來召開青年事務的這個協調匯報那所以我們大概就是跟跨部會有關的事情就會在行政院的那個跨部會的匯報裡面來處理來追蹤所以變成是說還是維持在清發署但是會有行政院主責的一個匯報來去協調各部會嗎\n\n11\n00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:48,310\n應該還是教育部然後跟其他部會有關的事情我們就會透過這個匯報來進行那現在不曉得說次長你們現在是不是有規劃說大概多久會舉辦一個這樣類似的匯報呢現在是有相關的規劃嗎\n\n12\n00:03:57,178 --> 00:04:10,129\n目前的規劃大概是兩三個月兩三個月再辦一次一季會辦一次就對了好了解那在接下來還是會牽涉到就是經費編列的問題就是說教育部的預算大概佔全體的預算是10到11%\n\n13\n00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:34,049\n那這個在114年的預算裡面有0.53是來自於這個清發數那其中還是因為有這個圓夢基金所以我們現在投注在青年發展的預算其實是只有1%不到當然我知道其他部會也有相關的資源像是我們的勞動部就有投入30億在青年就業所以\n\n14\n00:04:35,151 --> 00:04:48,099\n我想請問未來這個根據基本法我們是不是要訂定根據各個相關的業務來幫忙清法署爭取預算或者是要求其他二級機關來增加青年發展的預算呢\n\n15\n00:04:49,574 --> 00:05:17,830\n我想這個關於這個因為當基本法訂了以後裡面有些哪些事情各個單位各個部會他應該要來負責要怎麼樣照顧青年的一旦訂到法律裡面他有這個法律的位階大家就一定要做我想基本法他目的就是要能夠確保說這些預算是一定會被花的那至於剛才提到說因為有很多的預算其實隱藏在很多像比如舉個例子我們拉近這個公私立大學的這個學雜費的這個差距\n\n16\n00:05:19,371 --> 00:05:32,501\n這個我們花了兩百億這其實都是花在青年的身上所以未來怎麼樣有一個更具體的把這些我們花在青年身上的這些經費能夠有一個更完整的一個數字化這個是一個比較能夠清楚的看到說我們國家\n\n17\n00:05:34,102 --> 00:05:57,006\n我想我希望就是說在未來行政院相關的版本我們可以看到相關的條文去清楚的列上各個部會各個機關需要如何的來支持這些相關的經費跟預算都應該要更具體我們才能夠知道到底有多少錢可以真正的來去支持我們青年的發展所以我希望這是次長未來在這個院版上面要來協助溝通跟努力\n\n18\n00:05:57,546 --> 00:06:23,215\n好謝謝那再來第二個問題其實是從青年教育就業的徒續賬戶方案那簡單來說我們是從106年開始推動每年有五千個名額那薪資外會補助一萬元至存款賬戶最多等於是參加這個方案的年輕人高中畢業生他最多三年可以多存36萬聽起來利益非常非常良好但是呢我們也可以看到說\n\n19\n00:06:25,679 --> 00:06:44,325\n這個計劃在歷次其實一直不停的在修正然後也因為第一年106年的時候只有774人媒合所以107年的預算就因此而做到部分的減劣那我想要從這張表最主要是想要強調就是說我們原本是預估5000人可是後來我們就一直在減少變成是800人\n\n20\n00:06:45,985 --> 00:07:02,791\n不確定說這是不是我們對這個計畫的信心不足不確定因為我自己也去調了這些相關的數字就發現說其實申請的人數是年年這是一個滾動三年的從106年開始因為它是一個最多可以到三年的計畫所以是用rolling三年的方式去累計\n\n21\n00:07:04,392 --> 00:07:24,846\n那從108年到111年我可以看到申請人數跟實際人數其實都是往上增加的喔可是我退出的人數的比例也是往上增加的所以我想要請次長了解一下可以說明一下嗎你們有沒有去做相關的研究跟了解因為我知道我們有青年職涯輔導團嘛為什麼退出的人數持續的在增加呢疫情\n\n22\n00:07:30,044 --> 00:07:54,669\n跟委員報告這個退出在111年那個退出比較多的時候其實是跟疫情這邊是有關係的那我想也跟委員報告說青年廚藝這個計畫我們其實非常非常重視事實上像我自己我本來我的大兒子我知道想要去做這個事情那我們現在就想要做因為我們也看到他的一些瓶頸啦他的瓶頸比如說舉個例子他的工作是有受限的\n\n23\n00:07:55,089 --> 00:08:11,221\n他是必須要勞動部然後說合可的這些工作在這個舖裡面所以我們現在再炒你一個新的版本在115學年度就會上路在這個版本裡面就是青年他可以自己找他的工作那找他工作再跟我們說所以他工作不會受限\n\n24\n00:08:11,801 --> 00:08:33,529\n那二方面是說過去的這個計畫比較是以儲蓄儲蓄幫弱勢的青年存錢這種概念但是我們現在比較想要把他引導到說幫青年找到真正的人生的方向跟熱情所以我們會比較像說你18歲以後所以這個我們會拉更多大學進來讓更多大學我們給他外加的特殊選材的名額所以你有機會從這裡面\n\n25\n00:08:35,430 --> 00:08:50,662\n剛好銜接到我這個問題那我再用一分鐘的時間把這個問題問完就是說到底剛剛有提到會不會跟大學銜接嘛可能他之前工作完之後他想要去念大學那現在確定我們大概有多少學校會加入這一個就是接下來他可以入學的這個方案\n\n26\n00:08:52,884 --> 00:09:10,202\n因為這個計畫正在新版剛差不多所以我們接下來會跟所有的大學只要你願意提供名額給這些學生聽起來就是還不確定嘛可是115年的方案就在今年八九月就要上路了嘛對不對不不115是明年明年就要上路了嘛那大概今年什麼時候會有比較明確的計畫內容呢\n\n27\n00:09:16,364 --> 00:09:34,933\n我們草案已經差不多了我想這個我們可能會在一年前就是前一年之前跟大家宣布這件事情所以我想大概就是差不多是五六月的時候差不多五月就要開始申請讓他們升高三的學生知道有這件事情明年他可以申請那他可以作為他接下來高三這一年之後\n\n28\n00:09:35,493 --> 00:09:54,720\n好沒關係因為時間有限我想最後一件事情要拜託次長就是說根據我們現在我們的一些缺點跟我們的一些檢討報告是不是可以提供到我辦公室第二個部分就是這個相關草案要上路的時程是不是也可以提供到我辦公室是那大家多久可以提供給我好沒問題多久謝謝委員兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4005\t17406\t好 葉刺好 等我一下喔好 就是說 請問一下葉刺有聽過這句話嗎imagine yourself in our world\n23086\t47280\t這是在2012年溫哥華水族館講的一句話這句話後來被政部長引用在中山大學校長任內對所有的學生勉勵的一句話這句話其實是一個非常重要的概念我們必須要去試想我們在這樣子的環境之下我們可能未來需要什麼樣的科技輔助或是教育所以我想這整個重點回應到說如果我們今天要去回應青年的需求\n47760\t66407\t我們應該要非常了解青年的需要以及傾聽青年的聲音所以我想今天我們就針對青年的基本法來做一些更細緻的討論主要就是說在這個草案上面我發現三個問題所以我今天會從這三個面向來跟次長討論第一個就是青年的定義問題第二個是專責機關第三個就是經費的部分\n69966\t87140\t首先在青年的定義問題上面我想因為其實現在世界各國對於青年的定義上面大概就是19到34歲但是我們今年在這個青年政策白皮書裡面我們去邀請的對象是15到40歲\n89362\t105897\t所以我想要了解因為如果我們從35歲以下來看以台灣來說我們大概是21%的人口規模所以我們今年在這個收集意見的時候卻框到40歲所以我想要了解就是說到底未來我們在講青年基本法我們的上限是要框到40歲還是35歲想要請教次長的意見\n108983\t126262\t報告委員 目前我們的草案是18歲到35歲18歲到35歲 OK 好了解那我想問一下就是說再來第二個部分就是專責機關的部分就是說雖然說我們現在其實是有這個親資會但是它其實並沒有一個相關的法源\n127203\t149820\t那目前青年署是在教育部的職長以下嘛可是以三級機關來說他的這些職責啦還有業務啦以及青年問題涉及非常非常的廣嘛就業啦還有這個那個求學啊還有居住的問題其實都在這個層面所以顯然這個是不是現在這個清罰署\n152782\t173583\t很難去解決對應到這些經濟安全心理健康跟社會正義的問題所以想要了解就是說是否有機會來去爭取提到二級機關呢市長您的想法是跟委員報告目前的規劃就是整個專責單位就是教育部在教育部然後但是我們就是剛講了嘛\n174104\t188632\t大家最在乎的如果以這個最在乎的問題經濟安全嘛這是也是不屬於在經濟部的心理健康社會正義這都不屬於在教育部的那一個清法署三級機關要如何的去協調各個部會我想這還是一個非常貞節的一個問題\n189172\t211576\t那跟委員報告 因為這個很多委員的條文裡面都有提到建議說行政院應該定期來召開青年事務的這個協調匯報那所以我們大概就是跟跨部會有關的事情就會在行政院的那個跨部會的匯報裡面來處理 來追蹤所以變成是說還是維持在清發署但是會有行政院主責的一個匯報來去協調各部會嗎\n216940\t228310\t應該還是教育部然後跟其他部會有關的事情我們就會透過這個匯報來進行那現在不曉得說次長你們現在是不是有規劃說大概多久會舉辦一個這樣類似的匯報呢現在是有相關的規劃嗎\n237178\t250129\t目前的規劃大概是兩三個月兩三個月再辦一次一季會辦一次就對了好了解那在接下來還是會牽涉到就是經費編列的問題就是說教育部的預算大概佔全體的預算是10到11%\n251770\t274049\t那這個在114年的預算裡面有0.53是來自於這個清發數那其中還是因為有這個圓夢基金所以我們現在投注在青年發展的預算其實是只有1%不到當然我知道其他部會也有相關的資源像是我們的勞動部就有投入30億在青年就業所以\n275151\t288099\t我想請問未來這個根據基本法我們是不是要訂定根據各個相關的業務來幫忙清法署爭取預算或者是要求其他二級機關來增加青年發展的預算呢\n289574\t317830\t我想這個關於這個因為當基本法訂了以後裡面有些哪些事情各個單位各個部會他應該要來負責要怎麼樣照顧青年的一旦訂到法律裡面他有這個法律的位階大家就一定要做我想基本法他目的就是要能夠確保說這些預算是一定會被花的那至於剛才提到說因為有很多的預算其實隱藏在很多像比如舉個例子我們拉近這個公私立大學的這個學雜費的這個差距\n319371\t332501\t這個我們花了兩百億這其實都是花在青年的身上所以未來怎麼樣有一個更具體的把這些我們花在青年身上的這些經費能夠有一個更完整的一個數字化這個是一個比較能夠清楚的看到說我們國家\n334102\t357006\t我想我希望就是說在未來行政院相關的版本我們可以看到相關的條文去清楚的列上各個部會各個機關需要如何的來支持這些相關的經費跟預算都應該要更具體我們才能夠知道到底有多少錢可以真正的來去支持我們青年的發展所以我希望這是次長未來在這個院版上面要來協助溝通跟努力\n357546\t383215\t好謝謝那再來第二個問題其實是從青年教育就業的徒續賬戶方案那簡單來說我們是從106年開始推動每年有五千個名額那薪資外會補助一萬元至存款賬戶最多等於是參加這個方案的年輕人高中畢業生他最多三年可以多存36萬聽起來利益非常非常良好但是呢我們也可以看到說\n385679\t404325\t這個計劃在歷次其實一直不停的在修正然後也因為第一年106年的時候只有774人媒合所以107年的預算就因此而做到部分的減劣那我想要從這張表最主要是想要強調就是說我們原本是預估5000人可是後來我們就一直在減少變成是800人\n405985\t422791\t不確定說這是不是我們對這個計畫的信心不足不確定因為我自己也去調了這些相關的數字就發現說其實申請的人數是年年這是一個滾動三年的從106年開始因為它是一個最多可以到三年的計畫所以是用rolling三年的方式去累計\n424392\t444846\t那從108年到111年我可以看到申請人數跟實際人數其實都是往上增加的喔可是我退出的人數的比例也是往上增加的所以我想要請次長了解一下可以說明一下嗎你們有沒有去做相關的研究跟了解因為我知道我們有青年職涯輔導團嘛為什麼退出的人數持續的在增加呢疫情\n450044\t474669\t跟委員報告這個退出在111年那個退出比較多的時候其實是跟疫情這邊是有關係的那我想也跟委員報告說青年廚藝這個計畫我們其實非常非常重視事實上像我自己我本來我的大兒子我知道想要去做這個事情那我們現在就想要做因為我們也看到他的一些瓶頸啦他的瓶頸比如說舉個例子他的工作是有受限的\n475089\t491221\t他是必須要勞動部然後說合可的這些工作在這個舖裡面所以我們現在再炒你一個新的版本在115學年度就會上路在這個版本裡面就是青年他可以自己找他的工作那找他工作再跟我們說所以他工作不會受限\n491801\t513529\t那二方面是說過去的這個計畫比較是以儲蓄儲蓄幫弱勢的青年存錢這種概念但是我們現在比較想要把他引導到說幫青年找到真正的人生的方向跟熱情所以我們會比較像說你18歲以後所以這個我們會拉更多大學進來讓更多大學我們給他外加的特殊選材的名額所以你有機會從這裡面\n515430\t530662\t剛好銜接到我這個問題那我再用一分鐘的時間把這個問題問完就是說到底剛剛有提到會不會跟大學銜接嘛可能他之前工作完之後他想要去念大學那現在確定我們大概有多少學校會加入這一個就是接下來他可以入學的這個方案\n532884\t550202\t因為這個計畫正在新版剛差不多所以我們接下來會跟所有的大學只要你願意提供名額給這些學生聽起來就是還不確定嘛可是115年的方案就在今年八九月就要上路了嘛對不對不不115是明年明年就要上路了嘛那大概今年什麼時候會有比較明確的計畫內容呢\n556364\t574933\t我們草案已經差不多了我想這個我們可能會在一年前就是前一年之前跟大家宣布這件事情所以我想大概就是差不多是五六月的時候差不多五月就要開始申請讓他們升高三的學生知道有這件事情明年他可以申請那他可以作為他接下來高三這一年之後\n575493\t594720\t好沒關係因為時間有限我想最後一件事情要拜託次長就是說根據我們現在我們的一些缺點跟我們的一些檢討報告是不是可以提供到我辦公室第二個部分就是這個相關草案要上路的時程是不是也可以提供到我辦公室是那大家多久可以提供給我好沒問題多久謝謝委員兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員\n","txt":"好 葉刺好 等我一下喔好 就是說 請問一下葉刺有聽過這句話嗎imagine yourself in our world\n這是在2012年溫哥華水族館講的一句話這句話後來被政部長引用在中山大學校長任內對所有的學生勉勵的一句話這句話其實是一個非常重要的概念我們必須要去試想我們在這樣子的環境之下我們可能未來需要什麼樣的科技輔助或是教育所以我想這整個重點回應到說如果我們今天要去回應青年的需求\n我們應該要非常了解青年的需要以及傾聽青年的聲音所以我想今天我們就針對青年的基本法來做一些更細緻的討論主要就是說在這個草案上面我發現三個問題所以我今天會從這三個面向來跟次長討論第一個就是青年的定義問題第二個是專責機關第三個就是經費的部分\n首先在青年的定義問題上面我想因為其實現在世界各國對於青年的定義上面大概就是19到34歲但是我們今年在這個青年政策白皮書裡面我們去邀請的對象是15到40歲\n所以我想要了解因為如果我們從35歲以下來看以台灣來說我們大概是21%的人口規模所以我們今年在這個收集意見的時候卻框到40歲所以我想要了解就是說到底未來我們在講青年基本法我們的上限是要框到40歲還是35歲想要請教次長的意見\n報告委員 目前我們的草案是18歲到35歲18歲到35歲 OK 好了解那我想問一下就是說再來第二個部分就是專責機關的部分就是說雖然說我們現在其實是有這個親資會但是它其實並沒有一個相關的法源\n那目前青年署是在教育部的職長以下嘛可是以三級機關來說他的這些職責啦還有業務啦以及青年問題涉及非常非常的廣嘛就業啦還有這個那個求學啊還有居住的問題其實都在這個層面所以顯然這個是不是現在這個清罰署\n很難去解決對應到這些經濟安全心理健康跟社會正義的問題所以想要了解就是說是否有機會來去爭取提到二級機關呢市長您的想法是跟委員報告目前的規劃就是整個專責單位就是教育部在教育部然後但是我們就是剛講了嘛\n大家最在乎的如果以這個最在乎的問題經濟安全嘛這是也是不屬於在經濟部的心理健康社會正義這都不屬於在教育部的那一個清法署三級機關要如何的去協調各個部會我想這還是一個非常貞節的一個問題\n那跟委員報告 因為這個很多委員的條文裡面都有提到建議說行政院應該定期來召開青年事務的這個協調匯報那所以我們大概就是跟跨部會有關的事情就會在行政院的那個跨部會的匯報裡面來處理 來追蹤所以變成是說還是維持在清發署但是會有行政院主責的一個匯報來去協調各部會嗎\n應該還是教育部然後跟其他部會有關的事情我們就會透過這個匯報來進行那現在不曉得說次長你們現在是不是有規劃說大概多久會舉辦一個這樣類似的匯報呢現在是有相關的規劃嗎\n目前的規劃大概是兩三個月兩三個月再辦一次一季會辦一次就對了好了解那在接下來還是會牽涉到就是經費編列的問題就是說教育部的預算大概佔全體的預算是10到11%\n那這個在114年的預算裡面有0.53是來自於這個清發數那其中還是因為有這個圓夢基金所以我們現在投注在青年發展的預算其實是只有1%不到當然我知道其他部會也有相關的資源像是我們的勞動部就有投入30億在青年就業所以\n我想請問未來這個根據基本法我們是不是要訂定根據各個相關的業務來幫忙清法署爭取預算或者是要求其他二級機關來增加青年發展的預算呢\n我想這個關於這個因為當基本法訂了以後裡面有些哪些事情各個單位各個部會他應該要來負責要怎麼樣照顧青年的一旦訂到法律裡面他有這個法律的位階大家就一定要做我想基本法他目的就是要能夠確保說這些預算是一定會被花的那至於剛才提到說因為有很多的預算其實隱藏在很多像比如舉個例子我們拉近這個公私立大學的這個學雜費的這個差距\n這個我們花了兩百億這其實都是花在青年的身上所以未來怎麼樣有一個更具體的把這些我們花在青年身上的這些經費能夠有一個更完整的一個數字化這個是一個比較能夠清楚的看到說我們國家\n我想我希望就是說在未來行政院相關的版本我們可以看到相關的條文去清楚的列上各個部會各個機關需要如何的來支持這些相關的經費跟預算都應該要更具體我們才能夠知道到底有多少錢可以真正的來去支持我們青年的發展所以我希望這是次長未來在這個院版上面要來協助溝通跟努力\n好謝謝那再來第二個問題其實是從青年教育就業的徒續賬戶方案那簡單來說我們是從106年開始推動每年有五千個名額那薪資外會補助一萬元至存款賬戶最多等於是參加這個方案的年輕人高中畢業生他最多三年可以多存36萬聽起來利益非常非常良好但是呢我們也可以看到說\n這個計劃在歷次其實一直不停的在修正然後也因為第一年106年的時候只有774人媒合所以107年的預算就因此而做到部分的減劣那我想要從這張表最主要是想要強調就是說我們原本是預估5000人可是後來我們就一直在減少變成是800人\n不確定說這是不是我們對這個計畫的信心不足不確定因為我自己也去調了這些相關的數字就發現說其實申請的人數是年年這是一個滾動三年的從106年開始因為它是一個最多可以到三年的計畫所以是用rolling三年的方式去累計\n那從108年到111年我可以看到申請人數跟實際人數其實都是往上增加的喔可是我退出的人數的比例也是往上增加的所以我想要請次長了解一下可以說明一下嗎你們有沒有去做相關的研究跟了解因為我知道我們有青年職涯輔導團嘛為什麼退出的人數持續的在增加呢疫情\n跟委員報告這個退出在111年那個退出比較多的時候其實是跟疫情這邊是有關係的那我想也跟委員報告說青年廚藝這個計畫我們其實非常非常重視事實上像我自己我本來我的大兒子我知道想要去做這個事情那我們現在就想要做因為我們也看到他的一些瓶頸啦他的瓶頸比如說舉個例子他的工作是有受限的\n他是必須要勞動部然後說合可的這些工作在這個舖裡面所以我們現在再炒你一個新的版本在115學年度就會上路在這個版本裡面就是青年他可以自己找他的工作那找他工作再跟我們說所以他工作不會受限\n那二方面是說過去的這個計畫比較是以儲蓄儲蓄幫弱勢的青年存錢這種概念但是我們現在比較想要把他引導到說幫青年找到真正的人生的方向跟熱情所以我們會比較像說你18歲以後所以這個我們會拉更多大學進來讓更多大學我們給他外加的特殊選材的名額所以你有機會從這裡面\n剛好銜接到我這個問題那我再用一分鐘的時間把這個問題問完就是說到底剛剛有提到會不會跟大學銜接嘛可能他之前工作完之後他想要去念大學那現在確定我們大概有多少學校會加入這一個就是接下來他可以入學的這個方案\n因為這個計畫正在新版剛差不多所以我們接下來會跟所有的大學只要你願意提供名額給這些學生聽起來就是還不確定嘛可是115年的方案就在今年八九月就要上路了嘛對不對不不115是明年明年就要上路了嘛那大概今年什麼時候會有比較明確的計畫內容呢\n我們草案已經差不多了我想這個我們可能會在一年前就是前一年之前跟大家宣布這件事情所以我想大概就是差不多是五六月的時候差不多五月就要開始申請讓他們升高三的學生知道有這件事情明年他可以申請那他可以作為他接下來高三這一年之後\n好沒關係因為時間有限我想最後一件事情要拜託次長就是說根據我們現在我們的一些缺點跟我們的一些檢討報告是不是可以提供到我辦公室第二個部分就是這個相關草案要上路的時程是不是也可以提供到我辦公室是那大家多久可以提供給我好沒問題多久謝謝委員兩個禮拜兩個禮拜好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.005 --> 00:17.406\n好葉刺好等我一下喔好就是說請問一下葉刺有聽過這句話嗎imagineyourselfinourworld\n\n00:23.086 --> 00:47.280\n這是在2012年溫哥華水族館講的一句話這句話後來被政部長引用在中山大學校長任內對所有的學生勉勵的一句話這句話其實是一個非常重要的概念我們必須要去試想我們在這樣子的環境之下我們可能未來需要什麼樣的科技輔助或是教育所以我想這整個重點回應到說如果我們今天要去回應青年的需求\n\n00:47.760 --> 01:06.407\n我們應該要非常了解青年的需要以及傾聽青年的聲音所以我想今天我們就針對青年的基本法來做一些更細緻的討論主要就是說在這個草案上面我發現三個問題所以我今天會從這三個面向來跟次長討論第一個就是青年的定義問題第二個是專責機關第三個就是經費的部分\n\n01:09.966 --> 01:27.140\n首先在青年的定義問題上面我想因為其實現在世界各國對於青年的定義上面大概就是19到34歲但是我們今年在這個青年政策白皮書裡面我們去邀請的對象是15到40歲\n\n01:29.362 --> 01:45.897\n所以我想要了解因為如果我們從35歲以下來看以台灣來說我們大概是21%的人口規模所以我們今年在這個收集意見的時候卻框到40歲所以我想要了解就是說到底未來我們在講青年基本法我們的上限是要框到40歲還是35歲想要請教次長的意見\n\n01:48.983 --> 02:06.262\n報告委員目前我們的草案是18歲到35歲18歲到35歲OK好了解那我想問一下就是說再來第二個部分就是專責機關的部分就是說雖然說我們現在其實是有這個親資會但是它其實並沒有一個相關的法源\n\n02:07.203 --> 02:29.820\n那目前青年署是在教育部的職長以下嘛可是以三級機關來說他的這些職責啦還有業務啦以及青年問題涉及非常非常的廣嘛就業啦還有這個那個求學啊還有居住的問題其實都在這個層面所以顯然這個是不是現在這個清罰署\n\n02:32.782 --> 02:53.583\n很難去解決對應到這些經濟安全心理健康跟社會正義的問題所以想要了解就是說是否有機會來去爭取提到二級機關呢市長您的想法是跟委員報告目前的規劃就是整個專責單位就是教育部在教育部然後但是我們就是剛講了嘛\n\n02:54.104 --> 03:08.632\n大家最在乎的如果以這個最在乎的問題經濟安全嘛這是也是不屬於在經濟部的心理健康社會正義這都不屬於在教育部的那一個清法署三級機關要如何的去協調各個部會我想這還是一個非常貞節的一個問題\n\n03:09.172 --> 03:31.576\n那跟委員報告因為這個很多委員的條文裡面都有提到建議說行政院應該定期來召開青年事務的這個協調匯報那所以我們大概就是跟跨部會有關的事情就會在行政院的那個跨部會的匯報裡面來處理來追蹤所以變成是說還是維持在清發署但是會有行政院主責的一個匯報來去協調各部會嗎\n\n03:36.940 --> 03:48.310\n應該還是教育部然後跟其他部會有關的事情我們就會透過這個匯報來進行那現在不曉得說次長你們現在是不是有規劃說大概多久會舉辦一個這樣類似的匯報呢現在是有相關的規劃嗎\n\n03:57.178 --> 04:10.129\n目前的規劃大概是兩三個月兩三個月再辦一次一季會辦一次就對了好了解那在接下來還是會牽涉到就是經費編列的問題就是說教育部的預算大概佔全體的預算是10到11%\n\n04:11.770 --> 04:34.049\n那這個在114年的預算裡面有0.53是來自於這個清發數那其中還是因為有這個圓夢基金所以我們現在投注在青年發展的預算其實是只有1%不到當然我知道其他部會也有相關的資源像是我們的勞動部就有投入30億在青年就業所以\n\n04:35.151 --> 04:48.099\n我想請問未來這個根據基本法我們是不是要訂定根據各個相關的業務來幫忙清法署爭取預算或者是要求其他二級機關來增加青年發展的預算呢\n\n04:49.574 --> 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20 人擬具「青年基本法草案」案；十七、審查委員林德福等 20 人擬具\n「青年發展基本法草案」案；十八、審查委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「青年基本法草案」案 (僅進行\n詢答)","agenda_id":"1142601_00009"}}}