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00:01:31,871\n我們在行政單位的這個行政本位或許在業務的執行上我們可以更寬廣的來做一個處理那接下來我們就談到民眾我相信很多人都會談到這個議題也是大家現在很關心的那就是這個詐騙那本席在這個媒體上幾乎每一天至少一到二天都會看到不同形式的詐騙的case\n\n5\n00:01:33,112 --> 00:01:43,637\n所以我們也知道台灣的詐騙案件也越來越嚴重那財損的金額也逐年攀升那本席這邊所拿到的資料2023年就前年詐騙的案件財損是88億但是到了去年就變成502億那增幅已經到了5.7倍那這個數字也展現出我們這個真的詐騙日益猖獗\n\n6\n00:01:57,543 --> 00:02:25,678\n那麼每天至少有336起那算一下每一個鐘頭都有十幾件正在發生那這實在是非常嚴重那我相信不管是立法院或者是行政院這邊我們都針對相關的這個措施也一直在做處理但是其實我們好像都趕不上這個詐騙蔓延的這樣一個速度所以在假投資的部分是在這裡面近年來佔的比例非常高的那手法也一直變化規模也越來越大\n\n7\n00:02:26,858 --> 00:02:42,706\n但是現在台北地檢署有一個斬金的行動聽起來目前好像也有一些效度所以從12月啟動我們這邊有一些數據已經羈押了52名嫌疑人但是受害者大概有5584人初步估算的這個金額大概有170億我相信你們的數據應該非常的清楚\n\n8\n00:02:50,430 --> 00:03:13,192\n那最主要呢詐騙集團都透過這種假投資的網站那或者是我們常用的這樣一個系統齁那麼運用假養套殺的手段又使民眾來上當那大部分的金錢投進去那我們很多民眾尤其是這近期一兩天我相信你們看到那個有那個知識\n\n9\n00:03:14,053 --> 00:03:32,702\n含量非常高的人那也很有經驗結果還是把一生的這個積蓄付諸流水因為這個詐騙集團所以我們看了其實心裡都非常的難過那這個部分不知道法務部可以簡單的跟本席說明一下你們看到幾乎每一天日新月異的這樣子的詐騙的行為我們能怎麼處理在現階段\n\n10\n00:03:36,204 --> 00:04:00,112\n各位報告,的確如委員所講,詐騙案件目前在我們地檢署的案件量也是大宗,民眾也非常有感那詐欺反詐這個行為,其實不是只有單一部會可以完成的啦所以它有一個跨部會,集合所有部會來做相關的源頭管理跟我們後端的這個查緝啦那本部所負責的是有關後端的查緝跟犯罪被害人的補償嘛\n\n11\n00:04:01,112 --> 00:04:18,573\n那就本部這一塊把本部當積極的查緝或讓犯罪被害人得到他財損上的補償但這個還不夠他需要是源頭端各部源頭端他就要去抑制這種詐欺犯罪所以他其實要全國動起來全國各部會通力合作的一個模式\n\n12\n00:04:21,229 --> 00:04:44,748\n謝謝次長其實本席在不同的委員會那今天是第一次在司法法制那先前其實是在這個教育文化那本席也有專注在某一些委員會針對這樣子的議題做一些討論那當然就如你所講的其實這是一個全國性的問題那甚至已經是國安問題了所以為什麼今天要這樣講是因為幾乎每一天我們真的趕不上這個速度\n\n13\n00:04:45,528 --> 00:05:09,161\n那當然也聽到您講對全國性那我為什麼一開始在講這個行政本位就是您講後端前端當然那個第一線的我們都有這樣一個經驗那包括我們在學校那我想你如果常常跟民眾接觸那你會知道大概民眾沒有辦法搞得清楚那麼多他其實也沒有那個必要知道這麼多但是呢我們如何讓這樣子的狀況減輕\n\n14\n00:05:12,583 --> 00:05:27,092\n那如何更積極的作為這是本席今天針對這個議題要討論的內容好那接下來呢我們談到這個法律的手段現在很難有效的追蹤那你們是後端的那資金的流動跟後來的賠償那我想這個部分呢\n\n15\n00:05:28,473 --> 00:05:41,191\n在嶄新行動雖然現在有一點效能但是其實早上本席聽到幾位委員的這個質詢那我們也看到這個詐騙集團的祖先在國外那早上也有委員談到你們這個你們簡稱的國兩司是吧\n\n16\n00:05:44,836 --> 00:06:10,249\n在去年的這個針對詐騙的這個案件數可能有一些數量上的差異你們自己就我想早上應該你們都有聽到那本席在讀你們的業務內容的時候其實那個數據跟早上有一些委員對出來的數據是不一樣的所以你能怎麼樣處理這個犯罪源頭或最主要的守謀是在國外的這個議題\n\n17\n00:06:11,529 --> 00:06:25,825\n各位報告我們事實上溯源打詐是我們重點目標之一事實上我們去年通過的這個打詐專法就國外他向國內境內來實施犯罪的話我們有一個加重期限二分之一的規定\n\n18\n00:06:26,866 --> 00:06:54,922\n那換句話就是說我們對這一個另外有它的守模我們作為比較重的一個獨立犯罪的規範換句話說在法律面我們是有注意到但就我們打炸的工具方面我們去年也通過了好幾個打炸工具嘛所謂的打炸司法通法法也好科技偵查手段也好那我相信有這些科技工具打炸的工具之後我相信我們可以更加的溯源來打炸那我已經有提到國外境外打炸這部分事實上\n\n19\n00:06:55,362 --> 00:07:13,149\n因為台灣他畢竟處境國外艱難所以我們現在透過我們在國外的法務秘書也好移民秘書也好相關的人員也好透過一個跟國外執法單位的合作其實透過相關的努力還是會有一些成效更為報告\n\n20\n00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:36,963\n謝謝次長首先可能你們那個數據要先補兌給相關關心的這個委員那最主要是希望我們能夠警惕啦那現在真的是一個國安的問題所以您剛才講的那個工具我希望在短時間內我們也希望能夠再看到一些成效那打炸釋法的通過當然給了你們一些工具但是這個成效我們希望短中長期都能夠有一些交代好不好\n\n21\n00:07:37,942 --> 00:08:05,432\n接下來因為你們在業務報告裡面25頁其實有談到遇政革新所以本席這邊要談一個監獄超收的問題這個很明顯的剛才也有委員這邊提到台灣的矯正體系我們現在有超收的困境目前以我這邊的資料大概我們有五萬五千個收容人包括被判刑的受刑人被羈押的被告以及正在接受保安處分跟感化教育的少年犯等等\n\n22\n00:08:06,272 --> 00:08:23,469\n那麼他們被分散在全國51個矯正機關當中那數據看來這個超收的這個狀況非常嚴重那我不知道你們也是不是在趕這個都會化大部分集中在北部那我們拿台北看守所為例那麼原先的核定人數是2134人但是實際上現在有2606人\n\n23\n00:08:28,314 --> 00:08:45,924\n超收率達到了22%這應該很高啊然後另外呢在整個司法程序當中積壓的等待時間也非常的長那這反映出一個問題在這樣一個狀況下是不是資源匱乏就是你們沒有辦法迴避的一個核心問題因為它是很基礎的嘛\n\n24\n00:08:46,804 --> 00:09:06,462\n那所以呢在分類的這個原則上收容的分類原則上成年人未成年人死刑犯一般犯的分開收容我想你們都很難以達成所以高雄艷草的第二間為例那麼死刑犯跟少年犯混住的情形也已經有點違反國際公約\n\n25\n00:09:08,764 --> 00:09:36,595\n所以這個部分我不知道這個法務部是不是有注意到這監獄裡面不同層級的犯罪人的一個基本人權的問題跟委員報告委員提供的那個超收兩成多那個是指北部啦但是我們前台的收容人並沒有超收他是負3.49所以我們核定收容額在6萬出頭但是實際上\n\n26\n00:09:37,295 --> 00:09:52,880\n所以你們合定的綜合能力比本席這邊還多一些那北部確實是有這個操作情形就如本席剛才所指出來的他畢竟還是有這樣一個問題但是他沒有辦法用平均值來談這件事情沒有存在所以是不是可以請\n\n27\n00:09:53,420 --> 00:10:06,448\n請相關單位這個部分趕快先做一個檢討然後也把精確的內容跟有可能改進的短中長期的方案跟本席的辦公室這邊做一個回應好嗎檢要報告我們八德外醫間跟彰化\n\n28\n00:10:08,929 --> 00:10:24,774\n謝謝市長不好意思啦雖然您檢要但是其實也有一些個案您剛才已經談到巴德外醫街那本席是指出這個問題在北部你們不用去敢跟人家多會話那所以現在有超收的個案情形那也請你們多做注意好不好\n\n29\n00:10:25,274 --> 00:10:47,796\n今天是本席第一次質詢我是先把問題點出來那當然後續本席這邊還要再跟你們有更多的一個溝通那也希望你們做一個回應那本席可能要進行本席今天最後一個議題啦所以先把問題點出來那希望我們能夠做一個討論如果部裡面確實有這樣的情形那就做一個調整跟改進好不好謝謝\n\n30\n00:10:50,038 --> 00:11:05,327\n好那最後一個問題我們要談青少年犯罪率的問題那本是因為過去在教育文化委員會那對於學生對於青少年這個部分也非常關注那在我們教育領域經常談到少子化的問題\n\n31\n00:11:06,976 --> 00:11:25,461\n造成了很多衝擊那甚至少子化的問題現在也是一個大家公認的國安問題好但是裡面今天我要提出來這個青少年犯罪的這個問題我覺得非常嚴重是為什麼呢因為我們當然知道現在的青少年的人口是降低的\n\n32\n00:11:26,462 --> 00:11:39,451\n好像每一年現在出生率是越來越低那青少年的人口其實從幾年前就開始降低了但是很嚴重的是過去八年之間青少年犯罪的人口竟然上升了47%\n\n33\n00:11:41,713 --> 00:12:01,065\n那涉案的人數更從三萬六千多人增加到四萬兩千多人那所以在青少年人口數降低的過程當中我們竟然整個犯罪率的比例是越來越高那我們已經談到了少子化結果比例竟然如此高你們有沒有擔心這個問題這是很嚴重的\n\n34\n00:12:03,166 --> 00:12:20,855\n那另外呢那我們看到我這邊得到的相關資訊許多青少年的犯罪比例的那個內容大概以詐欺跟毒品最多那意味著很多年輕人被犯罪組織來吸納然後呢他們也參與了某一些詐騙集團\n\n35\n00:12:22,296 --> 00:12:37,784\n那我要問一下法務部對於這樣的趨勢有了解跟有什麼因應政策嗎那本席所拿到的資料的調查也指出當然家庭功能的失調智能邊緣兒少沒有辦法被好好的輔導\n\n36\n00:12:38,584 --> 00:12:54,613\n那網路帶來的負面影響當然這是整個我們國家性的問題但是呢你們跟教育部還有社會福利體系的合作有沒有辦法來有效識別高風險的青少年病假也不到\n\n37\n00:12:55,633 --> 00:13:20,898\n這可不可以很簡單的回應各位報告首先那個少年刑法因為少年案件它是司法院所主管的它有特別的規範所以我們檢察官就少年事件除非他是犯了少年刑事案件才會到我們檢察官這邊來所以原則上少年犯或者是曝險少年他都是先行政後司法進入我們司法院的少年法庭去處理所以相關的統計數字市長這是本席在一開始提出來的當然我們的行政本會說對這個業務是他處理的\n\n38\n00:13:25,219 --> 00:13:38,662\n那個業務是他處理的本席的問政是針對一件事情相關的委員會本席都會去發問問題我不是說這不法務部的責任法務部也注意到我們有更積極的就是說我們在處理成少共犯的問題少年雖然不歸我們管但有可能他背後是成年或者共犯是少年所以我們現在積極在研議成少共犯如何的加強我們檢察官這邊對成少共犯的追緝\n\n39\n00:13:52,546 --> 00:14:07,103\n好的所以承受共犯應該是你們目前的一個手段方法那你們短中長期的一個目標值或者是目標內容是不是可以跟本席的這個辦公室這邊來做一個回應好嗎\n\n40\n00:14:07,583 --> 00:14:27,856\n我簡單30秒回應就好這書面再跟委員報告少年犯罪如果少年警察他已經介入偵查的話我們希望檢察官能夠從司法警察那邊得到相關的指向因為他畢竟是司法院少年法庭所掌管的業務第一個我們希望多得到一些情質第二個陳少共犯我們要求司法警察跟檢察官必須要追到幕後的相關的成年的共犯\n\n41\n00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:48,973\n其實少年他通常不會是主謀後面的共犯才是重要的那所以在你未來給本席的這個相關的資料裡面可不可以給本席你們過去一段時間目前成少共犯就做到您剛才所指涉的那個部分大概比例有多少那未來你們期待能夠做到什麼樣子的比例畢竟一個KPI\n\n42\n00:14:50,114 --> 00:15:05,555\nKPI不是絕對但是它可以是一個比較具體的讓我們知道這個成效好不好跟委員報告做法一定可以啦成效可能短期內它可能沒有一個具體的數字啦KPI的部分是不是我們把相關的做法跟委員報告相關的施政做法跟委員報告好謝謝\n\n43\n00:15:06,816 --> 00:15:26,912\n所以基本上最後本席這邊要提醒青少年再犯的問題青少年再犯其實比例也蠻高的我這邊得到的資料是犯罪率高達再犯的犯罪率高達了25%那也意味著四分之一進入到司法體系的少年沒有辦法擺脫犯罪的循環\n\n44\n00:15:27,853 --> 00:15:50,063\n那這顯示我們或許在青少年的這個矯正與輔導的機制的效果上可能還要再精進那所以過去的幾年政府究竟投入了多少的資源在矯正與輔導上那我剛才其實也聽到有一些委員在關心這個事情那是不是你們過去所做的本席這邊就過去五年內這個狀況到底你們現在做的如何\n\n45\n00:15:53,404 --> 00:16:07,200\n那未來你們在經費的編列上或是想要做到的一個程度上給本席一個數據跟具體的內容指標好不好部分再麻煩我們小政署就少繳銷的部分的相關數據跟提供好謝謝市長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12679\t22483\t主席各位同仁大家好我是林倩琦今天在法治司法委員會第一次發言我們先請黃次長麻煩次長\n28530\t46622\t首先我先感謝上個禮拜部長這邊有來本席的辦公室那我們做了一些意見的交流感謝他對於這個歐陸法系還有海洋法系的這個系統做了一個跟本席做了一個很精闢的這個研析那但是本席也跟他這邊來\n50105\t64415\t這個表達了我問政的一個立場所以本席在這個問政立場比較有一個長明的立場跟觀念來跟這個會會做一個溝通那我也希望我們能夠以民為念所以\n65716\t91871\t我們在行政單位的這個行政本位或許在業務的執行上我們可以更寬廣的來做一個處理那接下來我們就談到民眾我相信很多人都會談到這個議題也是大家現在很關心的那就是這個詐騙那本席在這個媒體上幾乎每一天至少一到二天都會看到不同形式的詐騙的case\n93112\t103637\t所以我們也知道台灣的詐騙案件也越來越嚴重那財損的金額也逐年攀升那本席這邊所拿到的資料2023年就前年詐騙的案件財損是88億但是到了去年就變成502億那增幅已經到了5.7倍那這個數字也展現出我們這個真的詐騙日益猖獗\n117543\t145678\t那麼每天至少有336起那算一下每一個鐘頭都有十幾件正在發生那這實在是非常嚴重那我相信不管是立法院或者是行政院這邊我們都針對相關的這個措施也一直在做處理但是其實我們好像都趕不上這個詐騙蔓延的這樣一個速度所以在假投資的部分是在這裡面近年來佔的比例非常高的那手法也一直變化規模也越來越大\n146858\t162706\t但是現在台北地檢署有一個斬金的行動聽起來目前好像也有一些效度所以從12月啟動我們這邊有一些數據已經羈押了52名嫌疑人但是受害者大概有5584人初步估算的這個金額大概有170億我相信你們的數據應該非常的清楚\n170430\t193192\t那最主要呢 詐騙集團都透過這種假投資的網站那或者是我們常用的這樣一個系統齁那麼運用假 養 套 殺的手段 又使民眾來上當那大部分的金錢投進去 那我們很多民眾 尤其是這近期一兩天我相信你們看到那個 有那個知識\n194053\t212702\t含量非常高的人那也很有經驗結果還是把一生的這個積蓄付諸流水因為這個詐騙集團所以我們看了其實心裡都非常的難過那這個部分不知道法務部可以簡單的跟本席說明一下你們看到幾乎每一天日新月異的這樣子的詐騙的行為我們能怎麼處理在現階段\n216204\t240112\t各位報告,的確如委員所講,詐騙案件目前在我們地檢署的案件量也是大宗,民眾也非常有感那詐欺反詐這個行為,其實不是只有單一部會可以完成的啦所以它有一個跨部會,集合所有部會來做相關的源頭管理跟我們後端的這個查緝啦那本部所負責的是有關後端的查緝跟犯罪被害人的補償嘛\n241112\t258573\t那就本部這一塊把本部當積極的查緝或讓犯罪被害人得到他財損上的補償但這個還不夠他需要是源頭端各部源頭端他就要去抑制這種詐欺犯罪所以他其實要全國動起來全國各部會通力合作的一個模式\n261229\t284748\t謝謝次長其實本席在不同的委員會那今天是第一次在司法法制那先前其實是在這個教育文化那本席也有專注在某一些委員會針對這樣子的議題做一些討論那當然就如你所講的其實這是一個全國性的問題那甚至已經是國安問題了所以為什麼今天要這樣講是因為幾乎每一天我們真的趕不上這個速度\n285528\t309161\t那當然也聽到您講對全國性那我為什麼一開始在講這個行政本位就是您講後端前端當然那個第一線的我們都有這樣一個經驗那包括我們在學校那我想你如果常常跟民眾接觸那你會知道大概民眾沒有辦法搞得清楚那麼多他其實也沒有那個必要知道這麼多但是呢我們如何讓這樣子的狀況減輕\n312583\t327092\t那如何更積極的作為這是本席今天針對這個議題要討論的內容好 那接下來呢我們談到這個法律的手段現在很難有效的追蹤那你們是後端的那資金的流動跟後來的賠償那我想這個部分呢\n328473\t341191\t在嶄新行動雖然現在有一點效能但是其實早上本席聽到幾位委員的這個質詢那我們也看到這個詐騙集團的祖先在國外那早上也有委員談到你們這個你們簡稱的國兩司是吧\n344836\t370249\t在去年的這個針對詐騙的這個案件數可能有一些數量上的差異你們自己就我想早上應該你們都有聽到那本席在讀你們的業務內容的時候其實那個數據跟早上有一些委員對出來的數據是不一樣的所以你能怎麼樣處理這個犯罪源頭或最主要的守謀是在國外的這個議題\n371529\t385825\t各位報告我們事實上溯源打詐是我們重點目標之一事實上我們去年通過的這個打詐專法就國外他向國內境內來實施犯罪的話我們有一個加重期限二分之一的規定\n386866\t414922\t那換句話就是說我們對這一個另外有它的守模我們作為比較重的一個獨立犯罪的規範換句話說在法律面我們是有注意到但就我們打炸的工具方面我們去年也通過了好幾個打炸工具嘛所謂的打炸司法通法法也好 科技偵查手段也好那我相信有這些科技工具打炸的工具之後我相信我們可以更加的溯源來打炸那我已經有提到國外境外打炸這部分事實上\n415362\t433149\t因為台灣他畢竟處境國外艱難所以我們現在透過我們在國外的法務秘書也好移民秘書也好相關的人員也好透過一個跟國外執法單位的合作其實透過相關的努力還是會有一些成效更為報告\n434309\t456963\t謝謝次長 首先可能你們那個數據要先補兌給相關關心的這個委員那最主要是希望我們能夠警惕啦那現在真的是一個國安的問題所以您剛才講的那個工具我希望在短時間內我們也希望能夠再看到一些成效那打炸釋法的通過當然給了你們一些工具但是這個成效我們希望短中長期都能夠有一些交代 好不好\n457942\t485432\t接下來因為你們在業務報告裡面25頁其實有談到遇政革新所以本席這邊要談一個監獄超收的問題這個很明顯的剛才也有委員這邊提到台灣的矯正體系我們現在有超收的困境目前以我這邊的資料大概我們有五萬五千個收容人包括被判刑的受刑人被羈押的被告以及正在接受保安處分跟感化教育的少年犯等等\n486272\t503469\t那麼他們被分散在全國51個矯正機關當中那數據看來這個超收的這個狀況非常嚴重那我不知道你們也是不是在趕這個都會化大部分集中在北部那我們拿台北看守所為例那麼原先的核定人數是2134人但是實際上現在有2606人\n508314\t525924\t超收率達到了22%這應該很高啊然後另外呢在整個司法程序當中積壓的等待時間也非常的長那這反映出一個問題在這樣一個狀況下是不是資源匱乏就是你們沒有辦法迴避的一個核心問題因為它是很基礎的嘛\n526804\t546462\t那所以呢在分類的這個原則上收容的分類原則上成年人未成年人死刑犯一般犯的分開收容我想你們都很難以達成所以高雄艷草的第二間為例那麼死刑犯跟少年犯混住的情形也已經有點違反國際公約\n548764\t576595\t所以這個部分我不知道這個法務部是不是有注意到這監獄裡面不同層級的犯罪人的一個基本人權的問題跟委員報告委員提供的那個超收兩成多那個是指北部啦但是我們前台的收容人並沒有超收他是負3.49所以我們核定收容額在6萬出頭但是實際上\n577295\t592880\t所以你們合定的綜合能力比本席這邊還多一些那北部確實是有這個操作情形就如本席剛才所指出來的他畢竟還是有這樣一個問題但是他沒有辦法用平均值來談這件事情沒有存在所以是不是可以請\n593420\t606448\t請相關單位這個部分趕快先做一個檢討然後也把精確的內容跟有可能改進的短中長期的方案跟本席的辦公室這邊做一個回應好嗎檢要報告我們八德外醫間跟彰化\n608929\t624774\t謝謝市長 不好意思啦 雖然您檢要 但是其實也有一些個案 您剛才已經談到巴德外醫街那本席是指出這個問題 在北部 你們不用去敢跟人家多會話那所以 現在有超收的個案情形 那也請你們多做注意 好不好\n625274\t647796\t今天是本席第一次質詢我是先把問題點出來那當然後續本席這邊還要再跟你們有更多的一個溝通那也希望你們做一個回應那本席可能要進行本席今天最後一個議題啦所以先把問題點出來那希望我們能夠做一個討論如果部裡面確實有這樣的情形那就做一個調整跟改進好不好謝謝\n650038\t665327\t好那最後一個問題我們要談青少年犯罪率的問題那本是因為過去在教育文化委員會那對於學生對於青少年這個部分也非常關注那在我們教育領域經常談到少子化的問題\n666976\t685461\t造成了很多衝擊那甚至少子化的問題現在也是一個大家公認的國安問題好但是裡面今天我要提出來這個青少年犯罪的這個問題我覺得非常嚴重是為什麼呢因為我們當然知道現在的青少年的人口是降低的\n686462\t699451\t好像每一年現在出生率是越來越低那青少年的人口其實從幾年前就開始降低了但是很嚴重的是過去八年之間青少年犯罪的人口竟然上升了47%\n701713\t721065\t那涉案的人數更從三萬六千多人增加到四萬兩千多人那所以在青少年人口數降低的過程當中我們竟然整個犯罪率的比例是越來越高那我們已經談到了少子化結果比例竟然如此高你們有沒有擔心這個問題這是很嚴重的\n723166\t740855\t那另外呢 那我們看到我這邊得到的相關資訊許多青少年的犯罪比例的那個內容大概以詐欺跟毒品最多那意味著很多年輕人被犯罪組織來吸納然後呢 他們也參與了某一些詐騙集團\n742296\t757784\t那我要問一下法務部對於這樣的趨勢有了解跟有什麼因應政策嗎那本席所拿到的資料的調查也指出當然家庭功能的失調智能邊緣兒少沒有辦法被好好的輔導\n758584\t774613\t那網路帶來的負面影響當然這是整個我們國家性的問題但是呢你們跟教育部還有社會福利體系的合作有沒有辦法來有效識別高風險的青少年病假也不到\n775633\t800898\t這可不可以很簡單的回應各位報告首先那個少年刑法因為少年案件它是司法院所主管的它有特別的規範所以我們檢察官就少年事件除非他是犯了少年刑事案件才會到我們檢察官這邊來所以原則上少年犯或者是曝險少年他都是先行政後司法進入我們司法院的少年法庭去處理所以相關的統計數字市長這是本席在一開始提出來的當然我們的行政本會說對這個業務是他處理的\n805219\t818662\t那個業務是他處理的本席的問政是針對一件事情相關的委員會本席都會去發問問題我不是說這不法務部的責任法務部也注意到我們有更積極的就是說我們在處理成少共犯的問題少年雖然不歸我們管但有可能他背後是成年或者共犯是少年所以我們現在積極在研議成少共犯如何的加強我們檢察官這邊對成少共犯的追緝\n832546\t847103\t好的 所以承受共犯應該是你們目前的一個手段方法那你們短中長期的一個目標值或者是目標內容是不是可以跟本席的這個辦公室這邊來做一個回應好嗎\n847583\t867856\t我簡單30秒回應就好這書面再跟委員報告少年犯罪如果少年警察他已經介入偵查的話我們希望檢察官能夠從司法警察那邊得到相關的指向因為他畢竟是司法院少年法庭所掌管的業務第一個我們希望多得到一些情質第二個陳少共犯我們要求司法警察跟檢察官必須要追到幕後的相關的成年的共犯\n868876\t888973\t其實少年他通常不會是主謀後面的共犯才是重要的那所以在你未來給本席的這個相關的資料裡面可不可以給本席你們過去一段時間目前成少共犯就做到您剛才所指涉的那個部分大概比例有多少那未來你們期待能夠做到什麼樣子的比例畢竟一個KPI\n890114\t905555\tKPI不是絕對但是它可以是一個比較具體的讓我們知道這個成效好不好跟委員報告做法一定可以啦成效可能短期內它可能沒有一個具體的數字啦KPI的部分是不是我們把相關的做法跟委員報告相關的施政做法跟委員報告好 謝謝\n906816\t926912\t所以基本上最後本席這邊要提醒青少年再犯的問題青少年再犯其實比例也蠻高的我這邊得到的資料是犯罪率高達再犯的犯罪率高達了25%那也意味著四分之一進入到司法體系的少年沒有辦法擺脫犯罪的循環\n927853\t950063\t那這顯示我們或許在青少年的這個矯正與輔導的機制的效果上可能還要再精進那所以過去的幾年政府究竟投入了多少的資源在矯正與輔導上那我剛才其實也聽到有一些委員在關心這個事情那是不是你們過去所做的本席這邊就過去五年內這個狀況到底你們現在做的如何\n953404\t967200\t那未來你們在經費的編列上或是想要做到的一個程度上給本席一個數據跟具體的內容指標好不好部分再麻煩我們小政署就少繳銷的部分的相關數據跟提供好謝謝市長謝謝主席\n","txt":"主席各位同仁大家好我是林倩琦今天在法治司法委員會第一次發言我們先請黃次長麻煩次長\n首先我先感謝上個禮拜部長這邊有來本席的辦公室那我們做了一些意見的交流感謝他對於這個歐陸法系還有海洋法系的這個系統做了一個跟本席做了一個很精闢的這個研析那但是本席也跟他這邊來\n這個表達了我問政的一個立場所以本席在這個問政立場比較有一個長明的立場跟觀念來跟這個會會做一個溝通那我也希望我們能夠以民為念所以\n我們在行政單位的這個行政本位或許在業務的執行上我們可以更寬廣的來做一個處理那接下來我們就談到民眾我相信很多人都會談到這個議題也是大家現在很關心的那就是這個詐騙那本席在這個媒體上幾乎每一天至少一到二天都會看到不同形式的詐騙的case\n所以我們也知道台灣的詐騙案件也越來越嚴重那財損的金額也逐年攀升那本席這邊所拿到的資料2023年就前年詐騙的案件財損是88億但是到了去年就變成502億那增幅已經到了5.7倍那這個數字也展現出我們這個真的詐騙日益猖獗\n那麼每天至少有336起那算一下每一個鐘頭都有十幾件正在發生那這實在是非常嚴重那我相信不管是立法院或者是行政院這邊我們都針對相關的這個措施也一直在做處理但是其實我們好像都趕不上這個詐騙蔓延的這樣一個速度所以在假投資的部分是在這裡面近年來佔的比例非常高的那手法也一直變化規模也越來越大\n但是現在台北地檢署有一個斬金的行動聽起來目前好像也有一些效度所以從12月啟動我們這邊有一些數據已經羈押了52名嫌疑人但是受害者大概有5584人初步估算的這個金額大概有170億我相信你們的數據應該非常的清楚\n那最主要呢 詐騙集團都透過這種假投資的網站那或者是我們常用的這樣一個系統齁那麼運用假 養 套 殺的手段 又使民眾來上當那大部分的金錢投進去 那我們很多民眾 尤其是這近期一兩天我相信你們看到那個 有那個知識\n含量非常高的人那也很有經驗結果還是把一生的這個積蓄付諸流水因為這個詐騙集團所以我們看了其實心裡都非常的難過那這個部分不知道法務部可以簡單的跟本席說明一下你們看到幾乎每一天日新月異的這樣子的詐騙的行為我們能怎麼處理在現階段\n各位報告,的確如委員所講,詐騙案件目前在我們地檢署的案件量也是大宗,民眾也非常有感那詐欺反詐這個行為,其實不是只有單一部會可以完成的啦所以它有一個跨部會,集合所有部會來做相關的源頭管理跟我們後端的這個查緝啦那本部所負責的是有關後端的查緝跟犯罪被害人的補償嘛\n那就本部這一塊把本部當積極的查緝或讓犯罪被害人得到他財損上的補償但這個還不夠他需要是源頭端各部源頭端他就要去抑制這種詐欺犯罪所以他其實要全國動起來全國各部會通力合作的一個模式\n謝謝次長其實本席在不同的委員會那今天是第一次在司法法制那先前其實是在這個教育文化那本席也有專注在某一些委員會針對這樣子的議題做一些討論那當然就如你所講的其實這是一個全國性的問題那甚至已經是國安問題了所以為什麼今天要這樣講是因為幾乎每一天我們真的趕不上這個速度\n那當然也聽到您講對全國性那我為什麼一開始在講這個行政本位就是您講後端前端當然那個第一線的我們都有這樣一個經驗那包括我們在學校那我想你如果常常跟民眾接觸那你會知道大概民眾沒有辦法搞得清楚那麼多他其實也沒有那個必要知道這麼多但是呢我們如何讓這樣子的狀況減輕\n那如何更積極的作為這是本席今天針對這個議題要討論的內容好 那接下來呢我們談到這個法律的手段現在很難有效的追蹤那你們是後端的那資金的流動跟後來的賠償那我想這個部分呢\n在嶄新行動雖然現在有一點效能但是其實早上本席聽到幾位委員的這個質詢那我們也看到這個詐騙集團的祖先在國外那早上也有委員談到你們這個你們簡稱的國兩司是吧\n在去年的這個針對詐騙的這個案件數可能有一些數量上的差異你們自己就我想早上應該你們都有聽到那本席在讀你們的業務內容的時候其實那個數據跟早上有一些委員對出來的數據是不一樣的所以你能怎麼樣處理這個犯罪源頭或最主要的守謀是在國外的這個議題\n各位報告我們事實上溯源打詐是我們重點目標之一事實上我們去年通過的這個打詐專法就國外他向國內境內來實施犯罪的話我們有一個加重期限二分之一的規定\n那換句話就是說我們對這一個另外有它的守模我們作為比較重的一個獨立犯罪的規範換句話說在法律面我們是有注意到但就我們打炸的工具方面我們去年也通過了好幾個打炸工具嘛所謂的打炸司法通法法也好 科技偵查手段也好那我相信有這些科技工具打炸的工具之後我相信我們可以更加的溯源來打炸那我已經有提到國外境外打炸這部分事實上\n因為台灣他畢竟處境國外艱難所以我們現在透過我們在國外的法務秘書也好移民秘書也好相關的人員也好透過一個跟國外執法單位的合作其實透過相關的努力還是會有一些成效更為報告\n謝謝次長 首先可能你們那個數據要先補兌給相關關心的這個委員那最主要是希望我們能夠警惕啦那現在真的是一個國安的問題所以您剛才講的那個工具我希望在短時間內我們也希望能夠再看到一些成效那打炸釋法的通過當然給了你們一些工具但是這個成效我們希望短中長期都能夠有一些交代 好不好\n接下來因為你們在業務報告裡面25頁其實有談到遇政革新所以本席這邊要談一個監獄超收的問題這個很明顯的剛才也有委員這邊提到台灣的矯正體系我們現在有超收的困境目前以我這邊的資料大概我們有五萬五千個收容人包括被判刑的受刑人被羈押的被告以及正在接受保安處分跟感化教育的少年犯等等\n那麼他們被分散在全國51個矯正機關當中那數據看來這個超收的這個狀況非常嚴重那我不知道你們也是不是在趕這個都會化大部分集中在北部那我們拿台北看守所為例那麼原先的核定人數是2134人但是實際上現在有2606人\n超收率達到了22%這應該很高啊然後另外呢在整個司法程序當中積壓的等待時間也非常的長那這反映出一個問題在這樣一個狀況下是不是資源匱乏就是你們沒有辦法迴避的一個核心問題因為它是很基礎的嘛\n那所以呢在分類的這個原則上收容的分類原則上成年人未成年人死刑犯一般犯的分開收容我想你們都很難以達成所以高雄艷草的第二間為例那麼死刑犯跟少年犯混住的情形也已經有點違反國際公約\n所以這個部分我不知道這個法務部是不是有注意到這監獄裡面不同層級的犯罪人的一個基本人權的問題跟委員報告委員提供的那個超收兩成多那個是指北部啦但是我們前台的收容人並沒有超收他是負3.49所以我們核定收容額在6萬出頭但是實際上\n所以你們合定的綜合能力比本席這邊還多一些那北部確實是有這個操作情形就如本席剛才所指出來的他畢竟還是有這樣一個問題但是他沒有辦法用平均值來談這件事情沒有存在所以是不是可以請\n請相關單位這個部分趕快先做一個檢討然後也把精確的內容跟有可能改進的短中長期的方案跟本席的辦公室這邊做一個回應好嗎檢要報告我們八德外醫間跟彰化\n謝謝市長 不好意思啦 雖然您檢要 但是其實也有一些個案 您剛才已經談到巴德外醫街那本席是指出這個問題 在北部 你們不用去敢跟人家多會話那所以 現在有超收的個案情形 那也請你們多做注意 好不好\n今天是本席第一次質詢我是先把問題點出來那當然後續本席這邊還要再跟你們有更多的一個溝通那也希望你們做一個回應那本席可能要進行本席今天最後一個議題啦所以先把問題點出來那希望我們能夠做一個討論如果部裡面確實有這樣的情形那就做一個調整跟改進好不好謝謝\n好那最後一個問題我們要談青少年犯罪率的問題那本是因為過去在教育文化委員會那對於學生對於青少年這個部分也非常關注那在我們教育領域經常談到少子化的問題\n造成了很多衝擊那甚至少子化的問題現在也是一個大家公認的國安問題好但是裡面今天我要提出來這個青少年犯罪的這個問題我覺得非常嚴重是為什麼呢因為我們當然知道現在的青少年的人口是降低的\n好像每一年現在出生率是越來越低那青少年的人口其實從幾年前就開始降低了但是很嚴重的是過去八年之間青少年犯罪的人口竟然上升了47%\n那涉案的人數更從三萬六千多人增加到四萬兩千多人那所以在青少年人口數降低的過程當中我們竟然整個犯罪率的比例是越來越高那我們已經談到了少子化結果比例竟然如此高你們有沒有擔心這個問題這是很嚴重的\n那另外呢 那我們看到我這邊得到的相關資訊許多青少年的犯罪比例的那個內容大概以詐欺跟毒品最多那意味著很多年輕人被犯罪組織來吸納然後呢 他們也參與了某一些詐騙集團\n那我要問一下法務部對於這樣的趨勢有了解跟有什麼因應政策嗎那本席所拿到的資料的調查也指出當然家庭功能的失調智能邊緣兒少沒有辦法被好好的輔導\n那網路帶來的負面影響當然這是整個我們國家性的問題但是呢你們跟教育部還有社會福利體系的合作有沒有辦法來有效識別高風險的青少年病假也不到\n這可不可以很簡單的回應各位報告首先那個少年刑法因為少年案件它是司法院所主管的它有特別的規範所以我們檢察官就少年事件除非他是犯了少年刑事案件才會到我們檢察官這邊來所以原則上少年犯或者是曝險少年他都是先行政後司法進入我們司法院的少年法庭去處理所以相關的統計數字市長這是本席在一開始提出來的當然我們的行政本會說對這個業務是他處理的\n那個業務是他處理的本席的問政是針對一件事情相關的委員會本席都會去發問問題我不是說這不法務部的責任法務部也注意到我們有更積極的就是說我們在處理成少共犯的問題少年雖然不歸我們管但有可能他背後是成年或者共犯是少年所以我們現在積極在研議成少共犯如何的加強我們檢察官這邊對成少共犯的追緝\n好的 所以承受共犯應該是你們目前的一個手段方法那你們短中長期的一個目標值或者是目標內容是不是可以跟本席的這個辦公室這邊來做一個回應好嗎\n我簡單30秒回應就好這書面再跟委員報告少年犯罪如果少年警察他已經介入偵查的話我們希望檢察官能夠從司法警察那邊得到相關的指向因為他畢竟是司法院少年法庭所掌管的業務第一個我們希望多得到一些情質第二個陳少共犯我們要求司法警察跟檢察官必須要追到幕後的相關的成年的共犯\n其實少年他通常不會是主謀後面的共犯才是重要的那所以在你未來給本席的這個相關的資料裡面可不可以給本席你們過去一段時間目前成少共犯就做到您剛才所指涉的那個部分大概比例有多少那未來你們期待能夠做到什麼樣子的比例畢竟一個KPI\nKPI不是絕對但是它可以是一個比較具體的讓我們知道這個成效好不好跟委員報告做法一定可以啦成效可能短期內它可能沒有一個具體的數字啦KPI的部分是不是我們把相關的做法跟委員報告相關的施政做法跟委員報告好 謝謝\n所以基本上最後本席這邊要提醒青少年再犯的問題青少年再犯其實比例也蠻高的我這邊得到的資料是犯罪率高達再犯的犯罪率高達了25%那也意味著四分之一進入到司法體系的少年沒有辦法擺脫犯罪的循環\n那這顯示我們或許在青少年的這個矯正與輔導的機制的效果上可能還要再精進那所以過去的幾年政府究竟投入了多少的資源在矯正與輔導上那我剛才其實也聽到有一些委員在關心這個事情那是不是你們過去所做的本席這邊就過去五年內這個狀況到底你們現在做的如何\n那未來你們在經費的編列上或是想要做到的一個程度上給本席一個數據跟具體的內容指標好不好部分再麻煩我們小政署就少繳銷的部分的相關數據跟提供好謝謝市長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.679 --> 00:22.483\n主席各位同仁大家好我是林倩琦今天在法治司法委員會第一次發言我們先請黃次長麻煩次長\n\n00:28.530 --> 00:46.622\n首先我先感謝上個禮拜部長這邊有來本席的辦公室那我們做了一些意見的交流感謝他對於這個歐陸法系還有海洋法系的這個系統做了一個跟本席做了一個很精闢的這個研析那但是本席也跟他這邊來\n\n00:50.105 --> 01:04.415\n這個表達了我問政的一個立場所以本席在這個問政立場比較有一個長明的立場跟觀念來跟這個會會做一個溝通那我也希望我們能夠以民為念所以\n\n01:05.716 --> 01:31.871\n我們在行政單位的這個行政本位或許在業務的執行上我們可以更寬廣的來做一個處理那接下來我們就談到民眾我相信很多人都會談到這個議題也是大家現在很關心的那就是這個詐騙那本席在這個媒體上幾乎每一天至少一到二天都會看到不同形式的詐騙的case\n\n01:33.112 --> 01:43.637\n所以我們也知道台灣的詐騙案件也越來越嚴重那財損的金額也逐年攀升那本席這邊所拿到的資料2023年就前年詐騙的案件財損是88億但是到了去年就變成502億那增幅已經到了5.7倍那這個數字也展現出我們這個真的詐騙日益猖獗\n\n01:57.543 --> 02:25.678\n那麼每天至少有336起那算一下每一個鐘頭都有十幾件正在發生那這實在是非常嚴重那我相信不管是立法院或者是行政院這邊我們都針對相關的這個措施也一直在做處理但是其實我們好像都趕不上這個詐騙蔓延的這樣一個速度所以在假投資的部分是在這裡面近年來佔的比例非常高的那手法也一直變化規模也越來越大\n\n02:26.858 --> 02:42.706\n但是現在台北地檢署有一個斬金的行動聽起來目前好像也有一些效度所以從12月啟動我們這邊有一些數據已經羈押了52名嫌疑人但是受害者大概有5584人初步估算的這個金額大概有170億我相信你們的數據應該非常的清楚\n\n02:50.430 --> 03:13.192\n那最主要呢詐騙集團都透過這種假投資的網站那或者是我們常用的這樣一個系統齁那麼運用假養套殺的手段又使民眾來上當那大部分的金錢投進去那我們很多民眾尤其是這近期一兩天我相信你們看到那個有那個知識\n\n03:14.053 --> 03:32.702\n含量非常高的人那也很有經驗結果還是把一生的這個積蓄付諸流水因為這個詐騙集團所以我們看了其實心裡都非常的難過那這個部分不知道法務部可以簡單的跟本席說明一下你們看到幾乎每一天日新月異的這樣子的詐騙的行為我們能怎麼處理在現階段\n\n03:36.204 --> 04:00.112\n各位報告,的確如委員所講,詐騙案件目前在我們地檢署的案件量也是大宗,民眾也非常有感那詐欺反詐這個行為,其實不是只有單一部會可以完成的啦所以它有一個跨部會,集合所有部會來做相關的源頭管理跟我們後端的這個查緝啦那本部所負責的是有關後端的查緝跟犯罪被害人的補償嘛\n\n04:01.112 --> 04:18.573\n那就本部這一塊把本部當積極的查緝或讓犯罪被害人得到他財損上的補償但這個還不夠他需要是源頭端各部源頭端他就要去抑制這種詐欺犯罪所以他其實要全國動起來全國各部會通力合作的一個模式\n\n04:21.229 --> 04:44.748\n謝謝次長其實本席在不同的委員會那今天是第一次在司法法制那先前其實是在這個教育文化那本席也有專注在某一些委員會針對這樣子的議題做一些討論那當然就如你所講的其實這是一個全國性的問題那甚至已經是國安問題了所以為什麼今天要這樣講是因為幾乎每一天我們真的趕不上這個速度\n\n04:45.528 --> 05:09.161\n那當然也聽到您講對全國性那我為什麼一開始在講這個行政本位就是您講後端前端當然那個第一線的我們都有這樣一個經驗那包括我們在學校那我想你如果常常跟民眾接觸那你會知道大概民眾沒有辦法搞得清楚那麼多他其實也沒有那個必要知道這麼多但是呢我們如何讓這樣子的狀況減輕\n\n05:12.583 --> 05:27.092\n那如何更積極的作為這是本席今天針對這個議題要討論的內容好那接下來呢我們談到這個法律的手段現在很難有效的追蹤那你們是後端的那資金的流動跟後來的賠償那我想這個部分呢\n\n05:28.473 --> 05:41.191\n在嶄新行動雖然現在有一點效能但是其實早上本席聽到幾位委員的這個質詢那我們也看到這個詐騙集團的祖先在國外那早上也有委員談到你們這個你們簡稱的國兩司是吧\n\n05:44.836 --> 06:10.249\n在去年的這個針對詐騙的這個案件數可能有一些數量上的差異你們自己就我想早上應該你們都有聽到那本席在讀你們的業務內容的時候其實那個數據跟早上有一些委員對出來的數據是不一樣的所以你能怎麼樣處理這個犯罪源頭或最主要的守謀是在國外的這個議題\n\n06:11.529 --> 06:25.825\n各位報告我們事實上溯源打詐是我們重點目標之一事實上我們去年通過的這個打詐專法就國外他向國內境內來實施犯罪的話我們有一個加重期限二分之一的規定\n\n06:26.866 --> 06:54.922\n那換句話就是說我們對這一個另外有它的守模我們作為比較重的一個獨立犯罪的規範換句話說在法律面我們是有注意到但就我們打炸的工具方面我們去年也通過了好幾個打炸工具嘛所謂的打炸司法通法法也好科技偵查手段也好那我相信有這些科技工具打炸的工具之後我相信我們可以更加的溯源來打炸那我已經有提到國外境外打炸這部分事實上\n\n06:55.362 --> 07:13.149\n因為台灣他畢竟處境國外艱難所以我們現在透過我們在國外的法務秘書也好移民秘書也好相關的人員也好透過一個跟國外執法單位的合作其實透過相關的努力還是會有一些成效更為報告\n\n07:14.309 --> 07:36.963\n謝謝次長首先可能你們那個數據要先補兌給相關關心的這個委員那最主要是希望我們能夠警惕啦那現在真的是一個國安的問題所以您剛才講的那個工具我希望在短時間內我們也希望能夠再看到一些成效那打炸釋法的通過當然給了你們一些工具但是這個成效我們希望短中長期都能夠有一些交代好不好\n\n07:37.942 --> 08:05.432\n接下來因為你們在業務報告裡面25頁其實有談到遇政革新所以本席這邊要談一個監獄超收的問題這個很明顯的剛才也有委員這邊提到台灣的矯正體系我們現在有超收的困境目前以我這邊的資料大概我們有五萬五千個收容人包括被判刑的受刑人被羈押的被告以及正在接受保安處分跟感化教育的少年犯等等\n\n08:06.272 --> 08:23.469\n那麼他們被分散在全國51個矯正機關當中那數據看來這個超收的這個狀況非常嚴重那我不知道你們也是不是在趕這個都會化大部分集中在北部那我們拿台北看守所為例那麼原先的核定人數是2134人但是實際上現在有2606人\n\n08:28.314 --> 08:45.924\n超收率達到了22%這應該很高啊然後另外呢在整個司法程序當中積壓的等待時間也非常的長那這反映出一個問題在這樣一個狀況下是不是資源匱乏就是你們沒有辦法迴避的一個核心問題因為它是很基礎的嘛\n\n08:46.804 --> 09:06.462\n那所以呢在分類的這個原則上收容的分類原則上成年人未成年人死刑犯一般犯的分開收容我想你們都很難以達成所以高雄艷草的第二間為例那麼死刑犯跟少年犯混住的情形也已經有點違反國際公約\n\n09:08.764 --> 09:36.595\n所以這個部分我不知道這個法務部是不是有注意到這監獄裡面不同層級的犯罪人的一個基本人權的問題跟委員報告委員提供的那個超收兩成多那個是指北部啦但是我們前台的收容人並沒有超收他是負3.49所以我們核定收容額在6萬出頭但是實際上\n\n09:37.295 --> 09:52.880\n所以你們合定的綜合能力比本席這邊還多一些那北部確實是有這個操作情形就如本席剛才所指出來的他畢竟還是有這樣一個問題但是他沒有辦法用平均值來談這件事情沒有存在所以是不是可以請\n\n09:53.420 --> 10:06.448\n請相關單位這個部分趕快先做一個檢討然後也把精確的內容跟有可能改進的短中長期的方案跟本席的辦公室這邊做一個回應好嗎檢要報告我們八德外醫間跟彰化\n\n10:08.929 --> 10:24.774\n謝謝市長不好意思啦雖然您檢要但是其實也有一些個案您剛才已經談到巴德外醫街那本席是指出這個問題在北部你們不用去敢跟人家多會話那所以現在有超收的個案情形那也請你們多做注意好不好\n\n10:25.274 --> 10:47.796\n今天是本席第一次質詢我是先把問題點出來那當然後續本席這邊還要再跟你們有更多的一個溝通那也希望你們做一個回應那本席可能要進行本席今天最後一個議題啦所以先把問題點出來那希望我們能夠做一個討論如果部裡面確實有這樣的情形那就做一個調整跟改進好不好謝謝\n\n10:50.038 --> 11:05.327\n好那最後一個問題我們要談青少年犯罪率的問題那本是因為過去在教育文化委員會那對於學生對於青少年這個部分也非常關注那在我們教育領域經常談到少子化的問題\n\n11:06.976 --> 11:25.461\n造成了很多衝擊那甚至少子化的問題現在也是一個大家公認的國安問題好但是裡面今天我要提出來這個青少年犯罪的這個問題我覺得非常嚴重是為什麼呢因為我們當然知道現在的青少年的人口是降低的\n\n11:26.462 --> 11:39.451\n好像每一年現在出生率是越來越低那青少年的人口其實從幾年前就開始降低了但是很嚴重的是過去八年之間青少年犯罪的人口竟然上升了47%\n\n11:41.713 --> 12:01.065\n那涉案的人數更從三萬六千多人增加到四萬兩千多人那所以在青少年人口數降低的過程當中我們竟然整個犯罪率的比例是越來越高那我們已經談到了少子化結果比例竟然如此高你們有沒有擔心這個問題這是很嚴重的\n\n12:03.166 --> 12:20.855\n那另外呢那我們看到我這邊得到的相關資訊許多青少年的犯罪比例的那個內容大概以詐欺跟毒品最多那意味著很多年輕人被犯罪組織來吸納然後呢他們也參與了某一些詐騙集團\n\n12:22.296 --> 12:37.784\n那我要問一下法務部對於這樣的趨勢有了解跟有什麼因應政策嗎那本席所拿到的資料的調查也指出當然家庭功能的失調智能邊緣兒少沒有辦法被好好的輔導\n\n12:38.584 --> 12:54.613\n那網路帶來的負面影響當然這是整個我們國家性的問題但是呢你們跟教育部還有社會福利體系的合作有沒有辦法來有效識別高風險的青少年病假也不到\n\n12:55.633 --> 13:20.898\n這可不可以很簡單的回應各位報告首先那個少年刑法因為少年案件它是司法院所主管的它有特別的規範所以我們檢察官就少年事件除非他是犯了少年刑事案件才會到我們檢察官這邊來所以原則上少年犯或者是曝險少年他都是先行政後司法進入我們司法院的少年法庭去處理所以相關的統計數字市長這是本席在一開始提出來的當然我們的行政本會說對這個業務是他處理的\n\n13:25.219 --> 13:38.662\n那個業務是他處理的本席的問政是針對一件事情相關的委員會本席都會去發問問題我不是說這不法務部的責任法務部也注意到我們有更積極的就是說我們在處理成少共犯的問題少年雖然不歸我們管但有可能他背後是成年或者共犯是少年所以我們現在積極在研議成少共犯如何的加強我們檢察官這邊對成少共犯的追緝\n\n13:52.546 --> 14:07.103\n好的所以承受共犯應該是你們目前的一個手段方法那你們短中長期的一個目標值或者是目標內容是不是可以跟本席的這個辦公室這邊來做一個回應好嗎\n\n14:07.583 --> 14:27.856\n我簡單30秒回應就好這書面再跟委員報告少年犯罪如果少年警察他已經介入偵查的話我們希望檢察官能夠從司法警察那邊得到相關的指向因為他畢竟是司法院少年法庭所掌管的業務第一個我們希望多得到一些情質第二個陳少共犯我們要求司法警察跟檢察官必須要追到幕後的相關的成年的共犯\n\n14:28.876 --> 14:48.973\n其實少年他通常不會是主謀後面的共犯才是重要的那所以在你未來給本席的這個相關的資料裡面可不可以給本席你們過去一段時間目前成少共犯就做到您剛才所指涉的那個部分大概比例有多少那未來你們期待能夠做到什麼樣子的比例畢竟一個KPI\n\n14:50.114 --> 15:05.555\nKPI不是絕對但是它可以是一個比較具體的讓我們知道這個成效好不好跟委員報告做法一定可以啦成效可能短期內它可能沒有一個具體的數字啦KPI的部分是不是我們把相關的做法跟委員報告相關的施政做法跟委員報告好謝謝\n\n15:06.816 --> 15:26.912\n所以基本上最後本席這邊要提醒青少年再犯的問題青少年再犯其實比例也蠻高的我這邊得到的資料是犯罪率高達再犯的犯罪率高達了25%那也意味著四分之一進入到司法體系的少年沒有辦法擺脫犯罪的循環\n\n15:27.853 --> 15:50.063\n那這顯示我們或許在青少年的這個矯正與輔導的機制的效果上可能還要再精進那所以過去的幾年政府究竟投入了多少的資源在矯正與輔導上那我剛才其實也聽到有一些委員在關心這個事情那是不是你們過去所做的本席這邊就過去五年內這個狀況到底你們現在做的如何\n\n15:53.404 --> 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不好意思啦 雖然您檢要 但是其實也有一些個案 您剛才已經談到巴德外醫街那本席是指出這個問題 在北部 你們不用去敢跟人家多會話那所以 現在有超收的個案情形 那也請你們多做注意 好不好"},{"start":625.274,"end":647.796,"text":"今天是本席第一次質詢我是先把問題點出來那當然後續本席這邊還要再跟你們有更多的一個溝通那也希望你們做一個回應那本席可能要進行本席今天最後一個議題啦所以先把問題點出來那希望我們能夠做一個討論如果部裡面確實有這樣的情形那就做一個調整跟改進好不好謝謝"},{"start":650.038,"end":665.327,"text":"好那最後一個問題我們要談青少年犯罪率的問題那本是因為過去在教育文化委員會那對於學生對於青少年這個部分也非常關注那在我們教育領域經常談到少子化的問題"},{"start":666.976,"end":685.461,"text":"造成了很多衝擊那甚至少子化的問題現在也是一個大家公認的國安問題好但是裡面今天我要提出來這個青少年犯罪的這個問題我覺得非常嚴重是為什麼呢因為我們當然知道現在的青少年的人口是降低的"},{"start":686.462,"end":699.451,"text":"好像每一年現在出生率是越來越低那青少年的人口其實從幾年前就開始降低了但是很嚴重的是過去八年之間青少年犯罪的人口竟然上升了47%"},{"start":701.713,"end":721.065,"text":"那涉案的人數更從三萬六千多人增加到四萬兩千多人那所以在青少年人口數降低的過程當中我們竟然整個犯罪率的比例是越來越高那我們已經談到了少子化結果比例竟然如此高你們有沒有擔心這個問題這是很嚴重的"},{"start":723.166,"end":740.855,"text":"那另外呢 那我們看到我這邊得到的相關資訊許多青少年的犯罪比例的那個內容大概以詐欺跟毒品最多那意味著很多年輕人被犯罪組織來吸納然後呢 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關作法跟委員報告？就是將相關施政、作法跟委員報告。"],["林委員倩綺：好的，謝謝。"],["黃次長謀信：謝謝。"],["林委員倩綺：基本上，最後本席要提醒青少年再犯的問題，青少年再犯的比例其實也滿高的，我得到的資料是再犯的犯罪率高達25%，那也意味著四分之一進入到司法體系的少年沒有辦法擺脫犯罪的循環，這顯示我們或許在青少年的矯正與輔導機制的效果上可能還要再精進。過去幾年政府究竟投入了多少資源在矯正與輔導上？我剛才也聽到有一些委員在關心這個事情，針對過去五年內的狀況，到底你們現在做得如何？未來你們在經費的編列上，或是想要做到的程度上，給本席一個數據跟具體的內容指標，好不好？"],["黃次長謀信：這部分再麻煩矯正署就少矯校部分的相關數據跟委員提供。"],["周署長輝煌：好，會後提供。"],["林委員倩綺：好，謝謝次長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：麻煩矯正署處理，謝謝。","我們先處理會議時間，上午會議時間持續進行至所有登記發言委員詢答結束為止。","接下來請林委員擔任會議主席，謝謝。"],["主席（林委員倩綺代）：現在請吳召集委員宗憲進行詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":462,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-36-2","speakers":["吳宗憲","羅智強","柯建銘","王義川","吳思瑤","黃國昌","王鴻薇","沈發惠","傅崐萁","莊瑞雄","翁曉玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","楊瓊瓔","蔡易餘"],"page_start":361,"meetingDate":["2025-03-13"],"gazette_id":"1142601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142601_00011"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1142601_00011"}}}