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00:01:00,222\n那個我看房市的這個329這個329檔期那個推案但是新案衰減然後市場疲軟然後請問您這個第七波信用管制之後你覺得現在你的看法現在房市有反轉走低嗎我跟委員報告就是說我們當時第七波的主要的目的有三個9月19號\n\n4\n00:01:02,223 --> 00:01:20,696\n對我們9月19號我們有目的有三個第一個就是說那時候的預期的心理是非常強的就是上漲的預期心理不過呢現在呢我想委員應該要同意他已經有下來的趨勢預期心理有下降房地產一定會漲的這個預期心理下降一定會漲的那個預期心理是已經扭轉回來了這是第一個第二個呢我們是希望這個資源就是說不動我們的那個信用資源不要太\n\n5\n00:01:32,063 --> 00:01:59,845\n要讓他能夠比較帶給我們的那個無作用自宅的消費者那這一點呢也有慢慢的上升這是第二個第三個呢也就是說他的集中度呢他的集中度就是說我們的銀行的那個放款的集中度在不動產這慢慢的下來了所以也有達到也有達到這個目的但是那個總裁\n\n6\n00:02:01,486 --> 00:02:24,764\n銀行放款的集中度72就是那一條你們說存放比多少你們有沒有同時注意到各個地區的這種差異在你們的觀察裡頭有同時注意到嗎各個地區是不是我舉個具體的例子給您我去年的時候我在財委擔任召委的時候我請了我們相關單位到金門去開了一次會議當地的金融機構\n\n7\n00:02:27,406 --> 00:02:54,560\n都過來開會我們發現我們金門的銀行比如土銀好了您猜看看他的存放比是多少您知道嗎您猜看看他的存放比如果說就我聊就當地的土銀的金門分行因為我沒有就是說很特地對了不過一般來講比較就像離島的話我再猜不過也許就不對了沒關係他的存款應該是比換款還多\n\n8\n00:02:57,813 --> 00:03:20,581\n那存穩應該大概在比較合理的區間應該在哪裡一般來講的話合理是要72%合理是72%對不對對它合理都70幾%我不曉得那個你知道金門的土銀或是台銀它是多少我是不曉得15%15%台銀也是差不多16%那就很低對就是非常的低那也就是說\n\n9\n00:03:21,861 --> 00:03:48,987\n那也就是說金門的民眾大部分都是存款啦因為金門民眾不需要貸款嗎因為金門沒有企業當然不是這個原因啦當然不是說因為我們也是有相關產業而是說金門的很多存款存款不少但是很多的貸款金融機構他的這種\n\n10\n00:03:49,887 --> 00:04:15,589\n執行率也好或者他的放款意願也不想所以基本很多的存款就被的資金就被同樣是土地銀行或是台灣銀行好了這個錢就被移到讓台灣來使用我的意思因為事實上現在發生的情形就是這樣子所以當你們在說什麼存放筆啊在說這個東西信用管制的時候其實我覺得央行也要注意也要稍微注意一下各個區域怕說很多\n\n11\n00:04:16,590 --> 00:04:39,956\n比較像我們來講我們偏遠地區的錢存在以後全部都集中到了比較都會區可能台我不知道可能台北因為我沒有研究台北可能台北來高雄這種比較都會區去使用所以造成這個如果以房地產來講的話有時候會造成這樣的錢會集中的不是只有說欸你說是30%多少%這樣的幾%的這個差別而是有時候資金的移動\n\n12\n00:04:40,276 --> 00:05:08,603\n也會影響各地區這個可能也是我已經說了也沒有錯央行證也許也可以去了解一下這個第一點嘛這個會影響這個相對就某些地方就會變成炒房就會比較嚴重某些地方經濟發展比如說不一定是房地產說經濟發展企業想要融資變得很辛苦有時候這個也是有影響所以我們除了注意說它的一個比例以外還要注意區域的有沒有均衡的發展其實這個也是很重要對啦沒有錯啦\n\n13\n00:05:08,963 --> 00:05:30,518\n這個是第一點然後第二點關於房地產有關就是說之前就是訂所謂的豪宅那當然這個財政部在金管那邊管那個豪宅的總價不過我覺得後來事實上這個建商有他的做法他們就把坪數弄很小單價弄很高所以我看最近有一個新的政策就是讓單價一定的\n\n14\n00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:45,839\n每個地區嘛一定的金額以上也要比較比較可以比較不能太超過不然也是不能帶這個也是算是一個很好的政策啦這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的這個發展不然\n\n15\n00:05:48,067 --> 00:06:04,565\n這樣子對你這樣的做法你們之前有的做好對百姓並沒有幫助啊因為反而是建商賺更多因為他把單價他把坪數弄很小20坪變10坪但單價做很多做高了做高了反而讓房價又漲起來然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少\n\n16\n00:06:05,466 --> 00:06:21,433\n您瞭解我在說什麼?我知道您看這個不動產的放款我看到您有相關的報導有找銀行來喝咖啡有三家銀行對於這些按計管控提交具體改善方案\n\n17\n00:06:23,353 --> 00:06:51,520\n那我也請您關注一下各個區域也許銀行也要請他們提供一下他各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展那熱錢集中在一個地方那個地方容易炒作這個是不是也請列入這個列入這個考量那還會有第八波嗎因為我們是9月19嘛那時候我們問的時候9月19到12月有一段期那現在已經又要三月了吧等於是半年了啦將近半年了那你看你下去的發展呢\n\n18\n00:06:54,183 --> 00:07:18,123\n我想我們是滾動性檢討啦滾動性檢討所以也有可能有也有可能沒有啦這個是由理事來決定啦有理事決定喔對但是我還講說那個我像有相關政策像平數的單價那個倒是不是也是一個還有各區的喔可以看一下民間的相關反應啦好那這個第一季齁這個\n\n19\n00:07:19,924 --> 00:07:41,519\n你們央行理事會議預期去年的時候去年也是這個時候你們預期台電4月調漲電價那有做出祭出預防性的升級辦今年現在3月你們3月10號開會了那現在聽起來台電又有可能聽起來又好像可能調漲這個電價那你們今年會一樣採取這樣的預防性升級剛我有聽別人這個也是由理事來決定\n\n20\n00:07:47,884 --> 00:08:10,120\n我知道你會這樣回答但是去年因為你們在業務報告也有跟我們提到要考量未來台鐵票價水電公用事務費率調漲那相關的預測值會上漲所以你的標準答案就是說你要看你以前是否但看起來的話如果比照去年的做法可能會傾向這個方面\n\n21\n00:08:13,254 --> 00:08:36,745\n還是有理解沒關係我想請問你關於虛擬貨幣的事情美國總統川普簽行政命令要正式成立戰略比特幣儲備確保美國在全球加密貨幣市場的領導地位但是我們央行說的是虛擬貨幣不宜列為準備資產\n\n22\n00:08:38,406 --> 00:08:59,933\n因為央行是說比特幣價格波動劇烈容易受金融市場資金鏈消息鏈影響沒有辦法具備貨幣應有的交易媒介計價單位及價值儲藏三大功能比較像是一種投機或是投資性質的商品這是我們央行說的但是美國川普總統卻對這個大力提倡就是說\n\n23\n00:09:06,155 --> 00:09:31,829\n你這樣還是認為還是這樣認為嗎?就是說比特幣這類的虛擬資產你的看法跟我們川普總統的看法不大不大一致是啦我想這個我們會密切注意他啦不過以目前我們的態度呢我們還是覺得就是說在台灣要把它就是說把它變成一個我們的準備變成一個外圍存底的一部分\n\n24\n00:09:32,729 --> 00:09:50,013\n當然啦外存底的一部分跟它是戰略儲備因為我們政府的戰略儲備我不曉得是有哪些啦但是我們外存底的這個部分呢到在目前呢我們是沒有考慮就是說要把就還是沒有考慮沒有考慮沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦\n\n25\n00:09:53,715 --> 00:10:09,774\n既然就是說美國都是要把他列入這個我們會正視他我們會密切注意他也是會密切注意我們會密切注意他那您看看川普總統還頒了一個行政命令他說禁止創建數位美元像那個央行數位貨幣CPTC嘛那\n\n26\n00:10:12,077 --> 00:10:36,655\n他說這個CBDC是威脅金融體系穩定禁止在美國建立但是我們不是有在推嗎?我們央行有在推嗎?有在推CBDC那這個跟美國全球領導國家的做法也不一樣那這樣會不會延緩我們推這個的腳步我覺得就是說\n\n27\n00:10:37,896 --> 00:10:58,932\n基本上呢我們看看其他的國家呢也沒有就是說是因為川普總統他的這個政策因為基本上其他的國家他還是往前推的啦那基本上中央銀行呢也會還是我們還是按照既定的一個行程往前推啦往前推進就對了好謝謝你是謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2582\t4331\t謝謝主席 我們請梁總裁\n10233\t12294\t我們看到相關的媒體報導有說新增的房貸一季狂減1.5萬戶第四季比第三季減了大概1.5萬件\n33166\t60222\t那個我看房市的這個329這個329檔期那個推案但是新案衰減然後市場疲軟然後請問您這個第七波信用管制之後你覺得現在你的看法現在房市有反轉走低嗎我跟委員報告就是說我們當時第七波的主要的目的有三個9月19號\n62223\t80696\t對我們9月19號我們有目的有三個第一個就是說那時候的預期的心理是非常強的就是上漲的預期心理不過呢現在呢我想委員應該要同意他已經有下來的趨勢預期心理有下降房地產一定會漲的這個預期心理下降一定會漲的那個預期心理是已經扭轉回來了這是第一個第二個呢我們是希望這個資源就是說不動我們的那個信用資源不要太\n92063\t119845\t要讓他能夠比較帶給我們的那個無作用自宅的消費者那這一點呢也有慢慢的上升這是第二個第三個呢也就是說他的集中度呢他的集中度就是說我們的銀行的那個放款的集中度在不動產這慢慢的下來了所以也有達到也有達到這個目的但是那個總裁\n121486\t144764\t銀行放款的集中度 72就是那一條你們說存放比多少你們有沒有同時注意到各個地區的這種差異在你們的觀察裡頭有同時注意到嗎各個地區是不是我舉個具體的例子給您我去年的時候我在財委擔任召委的時候我請了我們相關單位到金門去開了一次會議當地的金融機構\n147406\t174560\t都過來開會我們發現我們金門的銀行比如土銀好了您猜看看他的存放比是多少您知道嗎您猜看看他的存放比如果說就我聊就當地的土銀的金門分行因為我沒有就是說很特地對了不過一般來講比較就像離島的話我再猜不過也許就不對了沒關係他的存款應該是比換款還多\n177813\t200581\t那存穩應該大概在比較合理的區間應該在哪裡一般來講的話合理是要72%合理是72%對不對對 它合理都70幾%我不曉得那個你知道金門的土銀或是台銀它是多少我是不曉得15%15%台銀也是差不多16%那就很低對 就是非常的低那也就是說\n201861\t228987\t那也就是說金門的民眾大部分都是存款啦因為金門民眾不需要貸款嗎因為金門沒有企業當然不是這個原因啦當然不是說因為我們也是有相關產業而是說金門的很多存款存款不少但是很多的貸款金融機構他的這種\n229887\t255589\t執行率也好或者他的放款意願也不想所以基本很多的存款就被的資金就被同樣是土地銀行或是台灣銀行好了這個錢就被移到讓台灣來使用我的意思因為事實上現在發生的情形就是這樣子所以當你們在說什麼存放筆啊在說這個東西信用管制的時候其實我覺得央行也要注意也要稍微注意一下各個區域怕說很多\n256590\t279956\t比較像我們來講我們偏遠地區的錢存在以後全部都集中到了比較都會區可能台我不知道可能台北因為我沒有研究台北可能台北來高雄這種比較都會區去使用所以造成這個如果以房地產來講的話有時候會造成這樣的錢會集中的不是只有說欸你說是30%多少%這樣的幾%的這個差別而是有時候資金的移動\n280276\t308603\t也會影響各地區這個可能也是我已經說了也沒有錯央行證也許也可以去了解一下這個第一點嘛這個會影響這個相對就某些地方就會變成炒房就會比較嚴重某些地方經濟發展比如說不一定是房地產說經濟發展企業想要融資變得很辛苦有時候這個也是有影響所以我們除了注意說它的一個比例以外還要注意區域的有沒有均衡的發展其實這個也是很重要對啦沒有錯啦\n308963\t330518\t這個是第一點然後第二點關於房地產有關就是說之前就是訂所謂的豪宅那當然這個財政部在金管那邊管那個豪宅的總價不過我覺得後來事實上這個建商有他的做法他們就把坪數弄很小單價弄很高所以我看最近有一個新的政策就是讓單價一定的\n331840\t345839\t每個地區嘛一定的金額以上也要比較比較可以比較不能太超過不然也是不能帶這個也是算是一個很好的政策啦這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的這個發展不然\n348067\t364565\t這樣子對你這樣的做法你們之前有的做好對百姓並沒有幫助啊因為反而是建商賺更多因為他把單價他把坪數弄很小20坪變10坪但單價做很多做高了做高了反而讓房價又漲起來然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少\n365466\t381433\t您瞭解我在說什麼?我知道您看這個不動產的放款我看到您有相關的報導有找銀行來喝咖啡有三家銀行對於這些按計管控提交具體改善方案\n383353\t411520\t那我也請您關注一下各個區域也許銀行也要請他們提供一下他各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展那熱錢集中在一個地方那個地方容易炒作這個是不是也請列入這個列入這個考量那還會有第八波嗎因為我們是9月19嘛那時候我們問的時候9月19到12月有一段期那現在已經又要三月了吧等於是半年了啦 將近半年了那你看你下去的發展呢\n414183\t438123\t我想我們是滾動性檢討啦滾動性檢討 所以也有可能有 也有可能沒有啦這個是由理事來決定啦有理事決定喔 對但是我還講說那個 我像有相關政策像平數的單價那個倒是不是也是一個 還有各區的喔 可以看一下民間的相關反應啦好 那這個第一季齁 這個\n439924\t461519\t你們央行理事會議預期去年的時候去年也是這個時候你們預期台電4月調漲電價那有做出 祭出預防性的升級辦今年現在3月你們3月10號開會了那現在聽起來台電又有可能聽起來又好像可能調漲這個電價那你們今年會一樣採取這樣的預防性升級剛我有聽別人這個也是由理事來決定\n467884\t490120\t我知道你會這樣回答但是去年因為你們在業務報告也有跟我們提到要考量未來台鐵票價水電公用事務費率調漲那相關的預測值會上漲所以你的標準答案就是說你要看你以前是否但看起來的話如果比照去年的做法可能會傾向這個方面\n493254\t516745\t還是有理解 沒關係我想請問你關於虛擬貨幣的事情美國總統川普簽行政命令要正式成立戰略比特幣儲備確保美國在全球加密貨幣市場的領導地位但是我們央行說的是虛擬貨幣不宜列為準備資產\n518406\t539933\t因為央行是說比特幣價格波動劇烈容易受金融市場資金鏈消息鏈影響沒有辦法具備貨幣應有的交易媒介計價單位及價值儲藏三大功能比較像是一種投機或是投資性質的商品這是我們央行說的但是美國川普總統卻對這個大力提倡就是說\n546155\t571829\t你這樣還是認為還是這樣認為嗎?就是說比特幣這類的虛擬資產你的看法跟我們川普總統的看法不大不大一致是啦我想這個我們會密切注意他啦不過以目前我們的態度呢我們還是覺得就是說在台灣要把它就是說把它變成一個我們的準備變成一個外圍存底的一部分\n572729\t590013\t當然啦 外存底的一部分跟它是戰略儲備因為我們政府的戰略儲備我不曉得是有哪些啦但是我們外存底的這個部分呢到在目前呢我們是沒有考慮就是說要把就還是沒有考慮沒有考慮沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦\n593715\t609774\t既然就是說美國都是要把他列入這個我們會正視他我們會密切注意他也是會密切注意我們會密切注意他那您看看川普總統還頒了一個行政命令他說禁止創建數位美元像那個央行數位貨幣CPTC嘛那\n612077\t636655\t他說這個CBDC是威脅金融體系穩定 禁止在美國建立但是我們不是有在推嗎?我們央行有在推嗎?有在推CBDC那這個跟美國全球領導國家的做法也不一樣那這樣會不會延緩我們推這個的腳步我覺得就是說\n637896\t658932\t基本上呢我們看看其他的國家呢也沒有就是說是因為川普總統他的這個政策因為基本上其他的國家他還是往前推的啦那基本上中央銀行呢也會還是我們還是按照既定的一個行程往前推啦往前推進就對了好 謝謝你是 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請梁總裁\n我們看到相關的媒體報導有說新增的房貸一季狂減1.5萬戶第四季比第三季減了大概1.5萬件\n那個我看房市的這個329這個329檔期那個推案但是新案衰減然後市場疲軟然後請問您這個第七波信用管制之後你覺得現在你的看法現在房市有反轉走低嗎我跟委員報告就是說我們當時第七波的主要的目的有三個9月19號\n對我們9月19號我們有目的有三個第一個就是說那時候的預期的心理是非常強的就是上漲的預期心理不過呢現在呢我想委員應該要同意他已經有下來的趨勢預期心理有下降房地產一定會漲的這個預期心理下降一定會漲的那個預期心理是已經扭轉回來了這是第一個第二個呢我們是希望這個資源就是說不動我們的那個信用資源不要太\n要讓他能夠比較帶給我們的那個無作用自宅的消費者那這一點呢也有慢慢的上升這是第二個第三個呢也就是說他的集中度呢他的集中度就是說我們的銀行的那個放款的集中度在不動產這慢慢的下來了所以也有達到也有達到這個目的但是那個總裁\n銀行放款的集中度 72就是那一條你們說存放比多少你們有沒有同時注意到各個地區的這種差異在你們的觀察裡頭有同時注意到嗎各個地區是不是我舉個具體的例子給您我去年的時候我在財委擔任召委的時候我請了我們相關單位到金門去開了一次會議當地的金融機構\n都過來開會我們發現我們金門的銀行比如土銀好了您猜看看他的存放比是多少您知道嗎您猜看看他的存放比如果說就我聊就當地的土銀的金門分行因為我沒有就是說很特地對了不過一般來講比較就像離島的話我再猜不過也許就不對了沒關係他的存款應該是比換款還多\n那存穩應該大概在比較合理的區間應該在哪裡一般來講的話合理是要72%合理是72%對不對對 它合理都70幾%我不曉得那個你知道金門的土銀或是台銀它是多少我是不曉得15%15%台銀也是差不多16%那就很低對 就是非常的低那也就是說\n那也就是說金門的民眾大部分都是存款啦因為金門民眾不需要貸款嗎因為金門沒有企業當然不是這個原因啦當然不是說因為我們也是有相關產業而是說金門的很多存款存款不少但是很多的貸款金融機構他的這種\n執行率也好或者他的放款意願也不想所以基本很多的存款就被的資金就被同樣是土地銀行或是台灣銀行好了這個錢就被移到讓台灣來使用我的意思因為事實上現在發生的情形就是這樣子所以當你們在說什麼存放筆啊在說這個東西信用管制的時候其實我覺得央行也要注意也要稍微注意一下各個區域怕說很多\n比較像我們來講我們偏遠地區的錢存在以後全部都集中到了比較都會區可能台我不知道可能台北因為我沒有研究台北可能台北來高雄這種比較都會區去使用所以造成這個如果以房地產來講的話有時候會造成這樣的錢會集中的不是只有說欸你說是30%多少%這樣的幾%的這個差別而是有時候資金的移動\n也會影響各地區這個可能也是我已經說了也沒有錯央行證也許也可以去了解一下這個第一點嘛這個會影響這個相對就某些地方就會變成炒房就會比較嚴重某些地方經濟發展比如說不一定是房地產說經濟發展企業想要融資變得很辛苦有時候這個也是有影響所以我們除了注意說它的一個比例以外還要注意區域的有沒有均衡的發展其實這個也是很重要對啦沒有錯啦\n這個是第一點然後第二點關於房地產有關就是說之前就是訂所謂的豪宅那當然這個財政部在金管那邊管那個豪宅的總價不過我覺得後來事實上這個建商有他的做法他們就把坪數弄很小單價弄很高所以我看最近有一個新的政策就是讓單價一定的\n每個地區嘛一定的金額以上也要比較比較可以比較不能太超過不然也是不能帶這個也是算是一個很好的政策啦這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的這個發展不然\n這樣子對你這樣的做法你們之前有的做好對百姓並沒有幫助啊因為反而是建商賺更多因為他把單價他把坪數弄很小20坪變10坪但單價做很多做高了做高了反而讓房價又漲起來然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少\n您瞭解我在說什麼?我知道您看這個不動產的放款我看到您有相關的報導有找銀行來喝咖啡有三家銀行對於這些按計管控提交具體改善方案\n那我也請您關注一下各個區域也許銀行也要請他們提供一下他各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展那熱錢集中在一個地方那個地方容易炒作這個是不是也請列入這個列入這個考量那還會有第八波嗎因為我們是9月19嘛那時候我們問的時候9月19到12月有一段期那現在已經又要三月了吧等於是半年了啦 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05:30.518\n這個是第一點然後第二點關於房地產有關就是說之前就是訂所謂的豪宅那當然這個財政部在金管那邊管那個豪宅的總價不過我覺得後來事實上這個建商有他的做法他們就把坪數弄很小單價弄很高所以我看最近有一個新的政策就是讓單價一定的\n\n05:31.840 --> 05:45.839\n每個地區嘛一定的金額以上也要比較比較可以比較不能太超過不然也是不能帶這個也是算是一個很好的政策啦這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的這個發展不然\n\n05:48.067 --> 06:04.565\n這樣子對你這樣的做法你們之前有的做好對百姓並沒有幫助啊因為反而是建商賺更多因為他把單價他把坪數弄很小20坪變10坪但單價做很多做高了做高了反而讓房價又漲起來然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少\n\n06:05.466 --> 06:21.433\n您瞭解我在說什麼?我知道您看這個不動產的放款我看到您有相關的報導有找銀行來喝咖啡有三家銀行對於這些按計管控提交具體改善方案\n\n06:23.353 --> 06:51.520\n那我也請您關注一下各個區域也許銀行也要請他們提供一下他各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展那熱錢集中在一個地方那個地方容易炒作這個是不是也請列入這個列入這個考量那還會有第八波嗎因為我們是9月19嘛那時候我們問的時候9月19到12月有一段期那現在已經又要三月了吧等於是半年了啦將近半年了那你看你下去的發展呢\n\n06:54.183 --> 07:18.123\n我想我們是滾動性檢討啦滾動性檢討所以也有可能有也有可能沒有啦這個是由理事來決定啦有理事決定喔對但是我還講說那個我像有相關政策像平數的單價那個倒是不是也是一個還有各區的喔可以看一下民間的相關反應啦好那這個第一季齁這個\n\n07:19.924 --> 07:41.519\n你們央行理事會議預期去年的時候去年也是這個時候你們預期台電4月調漲電價那有做出祭出預防性的升級辦今年現在3月你們3月10號開會了那現在聽起來台電又有可能聽起來又好像可能調漲這個電價那你們今年會一樣採取這樣的預防性升級剛我有聽別人這個也是由理事來決定\n\n07:47.884 --> 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percent。"],["楊總裁金龍：15%，那就很低了。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，就是非常的低啦。"],["楊總裁金龍：那也就是說，金門的民眾大部分都是存款，因為金門……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，那是因為金門的民眾不需要貸款嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：因為金門沒有企業……"],["陳委員玉珍：當然不是啦！"],["楊總裁金龍：金門沒有企業，它只有觀光……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是、不是，當然不是這個原因啦！我們也是有相關產業，金門有很多存款，存款不少……"],["楊總裁金龍：是啊、是啊。"],["陳委員玉珍：但是很多的貸款，金融機構的執行率也好，或者放款意願也不強，所以金門很多的存款、資金就被土地銀行或是臺灣銀行移到讓臺灣來使用，我的意思是這個……"],["楊總裁金龍：是，不過因為……"],["陳委員玉珍：事實上現在發生的情形就是這樣子。所以當你們在說什麼存放比，在說信用管制這個東西的時候，其實我覺得央行偶爾也要稍微注意一下各個區域，像我們來講，我們偏遠地區的錢存了以後，全部都集中到比較都會區，我不知道，因為我沒有研究，可能臺北、高雄這種比較都會區去使用……"],["楊總裁金龍：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：如果以房地產來講的話，有時候會造成這樣的錢會集中，不是只有您說的30%、多少%這樣的差別，而是有時候資金的移動也會影響到各個地區，這個可能也是……"],["楊總裁金龍：是的，沒有錯，委員說的也沒有錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：請央行也許也可以去了解一下喔！"],["楊總裁金龍：好。"],["陳委員玉珍：這是第一點，這個也是會影響，相對地某些地方就會變成炒房比較嚴重，某些地方的經濟發展，不一定是房地產，比如企業想要融資變得很辛苦，有時候這個也是有影響。所以我們除了注意它的比例外，也要注意區域有沒有均衡的發展……"],["楊總裁金龍：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：其實這個也是很重要。"],["楊總裁金龍：對，沒有錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個是第一點。然後第二點有關於房地產，之前政府有訂所謂豪宅的總價，當然這是財政部跟金管會那邊在管，不過我覺得後來事實上建商也有他的作法，他們就把坪數弄得很小，單價弄很高，所以我看最近有一個新的政策，就是讓每個地區一定的金額以上也不能太超過，不然也是不能貸。這個也算是一個很好的政策，我覺得這個才能真正讓房價走向一個比較平衡的發展，不然這樣子對……"],["楊總裁金龍：沒錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：你們之前有一個作法對百姓並沒有幫助，反而讓建商賺更多，因為他把坪數弄很小，本來20坪變成10坪，但單價做高了，單價做高以後反而讓房價又漲起來，然後事實上建商獲利也沒有變少。您了解我在說什麼嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：我知道。"],["陳委員玉珍：關於不動產的放款，我看到相關的報導說央行有找銀行來喝咖啡，有三家銀行，對於所謂的按季管控、提交具體改善方案，這些都有提出來。我也請您關注一下各個區域，也許也要請銀行他們提供一下，它各個區域是不是有太過不均衡的發展，熱錢集中在一個地方，那個地方就容易炒作，這部分是不是也請列入考量？"],["楊總裁金龍：好。"],["陳委員玉珍：那還會有第八波嗎？因為我們推的那時候是9月19日，到12月有一段期間，現在已經又要到3月了，等於將近半年了，您看接下去的發展呢？"],["楊總裁金龍：我想我們是滾動式檢討啦。"],["陳委員玉珍：滾動式檢討？所以有可能有，也有可能沒有，還沒有定案？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，這是由理事來決定。"],["陳委員玉珍：由理事決定？"],["楊總裁金龍：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：但是我還是要講有些相關的政策，像坪數、單價那部分，還有各區的，可以看一下民間的相關反映。"],["楊總裁金龍：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：好。去年第一季，也是這個時候，央行理監事會議預期台電4月調漲電價，所以祭出預防性的升息半碼加以因應，今年現在3月，你們3月20日又要開會了嘛，現在聽起來台電又有可能要調漲電價，那你們今年會一樣採取這樣的預防性升息嗎？剛剛我有聽別的委員也問過。"],["楊總裁金龍：這個也是由理事來決定。"],["陳委員玉珍：理事來決定，我知道你會這樣回答，但是因為你們在業務報告內也有提到，考量未來臺鐵票價、水電等公用事業費率調漲，相關的預測值會上漲，所以，你的標準答案就是你要看理監事會議，但看起來如果比照去年的作法，可能會傾向這個方面嘛？"],["楊總裁金龍：還是由理事會決定。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，OK，沒關係。我想請問關於虛擬貨幣的事情，美國總統川普簽署了行政命令，要正式成立戰略比特幣儲備，這個有嘛？要確保美國在全球加密貨幣市場的領導地位，但是我們央行說的是，虛擬貨幣不宜列為準備資產，因為央行說比特幣價格波動劇烈，容易受金融市場資金面、消息面影響，沒有辦法具備貨幣應有的交易媒介、計價單位及價值儲藏三大功能，比較像是一種投機或是投資性質的商品，這是我們央行說的，但是美國川普總統卻對這個大力提倡，請問你現在還是這樣認為嗎？就是對於比特幣這類的虛擬資產，你的看法跟川普總統的看法不大一致。"],["楊總裁金龍：是啦。我想我們會密切注意它，不過以目前我們的態度，我們還是覺得，在臺灣要把它變成我們外匯存底的一部分，當然，外匯存底的一部分跟它是戰略儲備不一樣，我們政府的戰略儲備我不曉得是有哪些，但是我們外匯存底這個部分，在目前我們沒有考慮要把這個……"],["陳委員玉珍：就還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦，對嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：沒有考慮，是，我們還是沒有……"],["陳委員玉珍：還是沒有考慮虛擬貨幣啦！"],["楊總裁金龍：但是既然美國都要把它列入了，我們會正視它，我們會密切注意它……"],["陳委員玉珍：也是會密切注意。"],["楊總裁金龍：是，我們會密切注意它。"],["陳委員玉珍：川普總統還頒了一個行政命令，禁止創建數位美元。像央行的數位貨幣CBDC。他說CBDC威脅金融體系穩定、個人隱私和美國的主權，禁止在美國建立。但是我們不是有在推嗎？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，我們有。"],["陳委員玉珍：我們央行有在推嗎？有在推CBDC？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，我們有。"],["陳委員玉珍：那這個跟美國這個全球領導國家的作法也不一樣，這樣會不會延緩我們推CBDC的腳步？"],["楊總裁金龍：是。我覺得基本上我們看看其他的國家也沒有因為川普總統的政策而改變，其他的國家還是往前推的，中央銀行也還是往……"],["陳委員玉珍：就是照既定的……"],["楊總裁金龍：我們還是按照既定的行程往前推。"],["陳委員玉珍：往前推進就對了？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，我們還是這樣。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，謝謝。"],["楊總裁金龍：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳玉珍委員的質詢。下一位請王鴻薇委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":226,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-20-2","speakers":["賴士葆","林德福","吳秉叡","顏寬恒","郭國文","賴惠員","李彥秀","鍾佳濱","羅明才","黃珊珊","林思銘","李坤城","王世堅","陳玉珍","王鴻薇","邱志偉","陳冠廷","李柏毅"],"page_start":169,"meetingDate":["2025-03-13"],"gazette_id":"1142701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142701_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質\n詢","agenda_id":"1142701_00004"}}}