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00:01:45,032\n政府的發展也是百姓的相信的權益那我想我接著要跟部長提醒的是我們後續的這個數位部的業務我想除了不管只是關心到我們的數位安全之外甚至對我們整個數位基礎建設的發展甚至治安人員的一個招聘海嵐跟低軌衛星的建設跟我們最重要打炸計畫的進行這個都是息息相關那針對目前的這個左聯服一樣沒有過\n\n5\n00:01:46,693 --> 00:02:09,166\n這個部分未來有什麼樣的想法嗎就是剛剛委員這邊講得很好就是上次我們國家在未來經濟發展很重要就是數位經濟的發展數位經濟發展就是靠剛剛幾個工作就是一個當然基礎建設要做好韌性要做好然後治安要做好那這個東西這次經費刪這麼多其實我們只好取消很多尤其是研發方面的計畫\n\n6\n00:02:10,126 --> 00:02:37,816\n那研發方面計畫一取消這個影響是長期性也就是說這個當然是未來這個我個人的擔心就是因為這次預算大刪在我們在還有就是剛剛講AI產業的推動會讓我們在這一邊不管是在AI產業推動我們可能就會落後那安全方面因為這些刪減我很擔心就是不管是詐騙或者是攻擊就比較容易侵入我們的系統\n\n7\n00:02:38,556 --> 00:03:02,175\n然後造成我們很重要的一些不管是資料外洩甚至於資料不只是外洩還被篡改剛剛有委員講到說可能你的銀行資料都會被改掉原來存款就不見了類似這種問題都有可能會發生那油水店哪一天就誇聲全面大規模大停電是因為被入侵像這種問題都可能是我們所擔心的所以\n\n8\n00:03:04,897 --> 00:03:29,050\n這個是蘇發部來講剛剛也講到一句很重要就是我們蘇發部就是網路的國防部這個因為不管是誰在攻擊我們他飛彈打飛彈是到最後的一開始一定是從網路先攻那就是攻你這些有水電交通金融系統醫院系統這個就是這個防護就是我們蘇發部要負責一個很大的一個工作去協防但是這一部分在今年這樣的影響確實會很嚴重\n\n9\n00:03:30,971 --> 00:03:44,669\n部長我想我個人現在比較擔心目前你們現在總預算的這個三減的幅度不要說出國旅費沒有了甚至未來可能連水電費甚至連你們到地方出差費用不然就沒有了\n\n10\n00:03:46,071 --> 00:04:07,343\n所以我們有好幾個鄉鎮長議員在跟我說的說你如果沒有去出差的時候你來住啦他要來給你出錢啦這真的不是開玩笑的他才煩惱這個部分那所以我想你們還是必須要走出去啦你不走出去也不了解我們很多的這個偏鄉的這個差距那尤其一些城鄉的發展所以部長我們要一起加油啦好謝謝\n\n11\n00:04:08,444 --> 00:04:23,579\n部長我想我們屏東縣這個幅員遼闊包含有山區有沿海還有這個離島那因為我們很多的這個偏鄉那些的行動通訊的部分確實是遠遠落後我們的都會區那甚至有造成這個4G涵蓋率不足的問題\n\n12\n00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:49,434\n那針對這個偏鄉這個通訊不穩因為我們很多的颱風來的時候通訊中斷那造成所謂的一個救災的一個問題那甚至我們現在在一個偏鄉學校推展這個資訊教育的時候也常常因為這個網路不穩定你就不穩定要推廣那個數位教育那針對這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有什麼策略跟我們相關的部會來做一個合作\n\n13\n00:04:50,415 --> 00:05:05,095\n我們本來就是對這個偏鄉的普及戶一直有一些一直在努力包括很多建設包括就是我們這個在偏鄉在去年我們有333個補助了333個5G的基地站那今年\n\n14\n00:05:06,697 --> 00:05:20,410\n雖然預算有被砍但是我們還是會繼續推動這個偏鄉普及服務當然希望這個偏鄉當然就是包括屏東這個縣的這個適量的這個偏鄉我們都會想辦法讓他能夠享受跟台北一樣的頻寬\n\n15\n00:05:21,851 --> 00:05:43,631\n那我的建議除了這個硬體的建設之外除了我們要增加基地台跟所謂的一個高抗旱的這個基地台的建置之外這對我們整個抗災是很大的一個幫忙讓我們的指揮可以順暢那另外在這個機動部分那是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者那五一的災情能夠有用行動基地車的方式\n\n16\n00:05:44,251 --> 00:05:59,286\n去彌補是不是我們把它做成一個SOP做我們一個防災的一個很重要的一個依據這個我們會跟電信公司再來協調我想第二個就是涉及到這個整個國家跟通訊安全的部分就是我們的海嵐的一個問題\n\n17\n00:06:00,367 --> 00:06:29,081\n我想從去年到現在我們陸陸續續發現很多這個不明的一個船隻故意在藉由這個停泊的一個機會那其實是看起來像是破壞我們的海底電纜那尤其我們台灣作為一個亞太很重要的一個通訊基地我們有十幾條的海底電纜連接所謂的一個全球的一個通訊的一個問題那我想這部分尤其對我們的通訊跟我們的經濟活動也很重要那我想\n\n18\n00:06:29,881 --> 00:06:44,691\n部長針對這樣的一個今年就發生了至少四起以上的這個案子那我們怎麼樣跟其他部會能夠做這樣的一個合作我們那個原則上是這樣就是我們把現在說的海嵐包括國內海嵐都當作是我們的關鍵基礎建設\n\n19\n00:06:45,692 --> 00:07:14,992\n那這個的意思就是說因為這樣關係我們就可以跟幾個部會像剛剛講海巡署然後這個包括同船會陸委會海港局一起來做所謂的演練那演練就是包括就是我們會注意到就是說在我們在海岸上面是不是有些船隻在逗留或者是在一些不正當的一些這個船隻的活動我們就會趕快去警告或處理那也就是因為這個演練的結果所以我們這次那個那個台棚這次\n\n20\n00:07:16,273 --> 00:07:31,587\n發生斷纜的時候我們馬上就逮捕這條船這個就是這個多戈級這條船那類似的因為這個我們會繼續在這方面研練就是說讓以後我們對海南的這種可能的斷訊或是可能的威脅都有足夠的速度能夠來處理\n\n21\n00:07:32,828 --> 00:07:49,189\n那當然這個也要加強跟國際的合作啦就是說這個這個海南在也是一個國際的問題就斷線國際問題那當然大家有不管是經驗應變的方法或甚至技術這個我們會繼續跟國外做合作那當然後面就是我們加上一些多元包括地位衛星\n\n22\n00:07:50,210 --> 00:08:16,125\n我們還是要提醒要防範中共可能透過一個灰色地帶攻擊的方式癱瘓我們的這個海欄這部分那我想未來我們蘇衛部除了我們做一些部會的一些跨部會的整合防備之外那是不是應該要積極規劃建置更多的一個備援的一個路線我們現在就是像國內像台馬就是4號正在建然後另外就是微波跟\n\n23\n00:08:17,446 --> 00:08:42,792\n低軌衛星的基地站也真的就是不見這個將來就是如果再發生這海欄端線的時候我們希望能夠維護頻寬能夠繼續的這個台馬4號是在115年6月會完工那微波事實上現在是從澎湖到嘉義有一個1.92Ghz的也在115年的1月會完工這樣\n\n24\n00:08:44,338 --> 00:09:00,827\n這個大概就是在部件中好那我想我們雖然我們的預算受到很大的影響但是這個網路防詐騙這個問題也是不能忽略啦那尤其我想目前的數據雖然呈現我們打詐的成效有出現但是\n\n25\n00:09:01,747 --> 00:09:25,537\n以我們的警政署165的打債預標板看到我們一天還是有250期的非投資型的那尤其我們最近鄉下還是很多老人家甚至很多這個年輕人都被騙了我想這問題不能典型釋之那針對所謂的一個網路平台的部分我想剛剛部長也講了很多但是我想上有政策下有對策你怎麼不想到人家照片一張都想到了所以我們永遠要\n\n26\n00:09:26,337 --> 00:09:45,485\n走得比他們更快想他們比得更多啦歐雄部長這部分都能夠加強那真的這樣部分我們是不是有更積極的一個作為有現在是我這個剛剛在很多大型我有講過現在詐騙集團也是因為我們這些目前的這些防詐的效果有效果所以他們開始轉變很多花樣\n\n27\n00:09:46,545 --> 00:10:07,519\n他們這個很多轉變方案也是用AI的技術在做很多的轉變所以我們要防他或打詐不管是詐騙或者是駭客的攻擊一樣都要用AI去掃描去處理去判斷這一塊就是我們本來是今年的一個工作重點就是我們去發展這個AI技術能夠在打詐進升級防詐升級\n\n28\n00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:30,359\n那我們還是會繼續努力做啦不過因為經費的關係我們有些工作就會縮小規模所以這個後續的這個效果我們當然這個有待觀察不過我們在這邊我們全力還是全力投入啦依我們目前的資源我們還是把這一塊當中是最高的Priority會把它盡量做好\n\n29\n00:10:31,099 --> 00:11:00,342\n部長我去年到委員會的時候我就特別有提醒我們數位部處的這個預算很重要之外人才也很重要但是尤其我們最近發現我們的那個離職率也蠻高的這個我想這個數位競爭的環境我們也必須想出一個留住人才一個誘因那尤其我想我們現在我比較擔心還有我們其他的地方政府很多的單位他們對治安的這個處理能力不足但是我一發現我們的那個集合的量能\n\n30\n00:11:01,002 --> 00:11:26,681\n這我今年就提醒過了,我們集合的量能太少了一年做十幾個,這是要怎麼做這麼多機關,是要怎麼做到會倒下像小年紀有的做一半就不會退位了所以我認為這要加強我們一個基礎的量能尤其是輔導我們這個地方很多機構的一個資安的一個能力跟一個人力的培訓這邊部長有沒有什麼樣的想法,要怎麼突破這個困境\n\n31\n00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:48,954\n人才方面就是在高考有治安的專業科目另外就是我們有治安轉職系的一個訓練當然這個目前大概就是可以就是說當然是不夠但是我們盡量的去在人才上在治安人才盡量的培育\n\n32\n00:11:50,635 --> 00:12:17,128\n治安的問題是因為治安的確業界也很需要所以外面挖角也蠻多的所以這個我們繼續努力就是讓第一個就是讓我們的環境工作環境更好那第二個就是說這個也讓這個治安人員了解工作的重要性那盡量能夠留才能夠在未來能夠做更好我們治安署最近也做一些調整包括署長跟副署長都有調整希望說從這裡面管理層面讓治安的整個工作環境能夠變得更好能夠減少離職的人數這樣\n\n33\n00:12:20,450 --> 00:12:24,535\n對今天部長提的部分希望能夠對證一下要來我們共同來努力了好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1449\t23256\t謝謝主席 有請我們黃部長請黃部長徐委員好部長早 那我想剛剛我們好幾位委員都有特別關心到我們數位部這個總預算被刪除的問題那看起來我們目前的這個刪除預算高達35.8億刪除比例高達41%\n27617\t51325\t那剛剛我看部長還有我們幾位署長在應答的時候比較客氣啦 都不敢哀啦事實上這個對我們整個包含數位韌性 包含資訊安全包含AI產業 包含打詐工作影響影響非常的大那我想部長跟我們的所屬的官員不能等閒視之啊 我認為大家介紹都這樣 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醫院系統這個就是這個防護就是我們蘇發部要負責一個很大的一個工作去協防但是這一部分在今年這樣的影響確實會很嚴重\n210971\t224669\t部長我想我個人現在比較擔心目前你們現在總預算的這個三減的幅度不要說出國旅費沒有了甚至未來可能連水電費甚至連你們到地方出差費用不然就沒有了\n226071\t247343\t所以我們有好幾個鄉鎮長議員在跟我說的說你如果沒有去出差的時候 你來住啦 他要來給你出錢啦這真的不是開玩笑的 他才煩惱這個部分那所以我想你們還是必須要走出去啦你不走出去也不了解我們很多的這個偏鄉的這個差距那尤其一些城鄉的發展所以部長我們要一起加油啦好 謝謝\n248444\t263579\t部長我想我們屏東縣這個幅員遼闊包含有山區有沿海還有這個離島那因為我們很多的這個偏鄉那些的行動通訊的部分確實是遠遠落後我們的都會區那甚至有造成這個4G涵蓋率不足的問題\n264480\t289434\t那針對這個偏鄉這個通訊不穩因為我們很多的颱風來的時候通訊中斷那造成所謂的一個救災的一個問題那甚至我們現在在一個偏鄉學校推展這個資訊教育的時候也常常因為這個網路不穩定你就不穩定要推廣那個數位教育那針對這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有什麼策略跟我們相關的部會來做一個合作\n290415\t305095\t我們本來就是對這個偏鄉的普及戶一直有一些一直在努力包括很多建設包括就是我們這個在偏鄉在去年我們有333個補助了333個5G的基地站那今年\n306697\t320410\t雖然預算有被砍但是我們還是會繼續推動這個偏鄉普及服務當然希望這個偏鄉當然就是包括屏東這個縣的這個適量的這個偏鄉我們都會想辦法讓他能夠享受跟台北一樣的頻寬\n321851\t343631\t那我的建議除了這個硬體的建設之外除了我們要增加基地台跟所謂的一個高抗旱的這個基地台的建置之外這對我們整個抗災是很大的一個幫忙讓我們的指揮可以順暢那另外在這個機動部分那是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者那五一的災情能夠有用行動基地車的方式\n344251\t359286\t去彌補是不是我們把它做成一個SOP做我們一個防災的一個很重要的一個依據這個我們會跟電信公司再來協調我想第二個就是涉及到這個整個國家跟通訊安全的部分就是我們的海嵐的一個問題\n360367\t389081\t我想從去年到現在我們陸陸續續發現很多這個不明的一個船隻故意在藉由這個停泊的一個機會那其實是看起來像是破壞我們的海底電纜那尤其我們台灣作為一個亞太很重要的一個通訊基地我們有十幾條的海底電纜連接所謂的一個全球的一個通訊的一個問題那我想這部分尤其對我們的通訊跟我們的經濟活動也很重要那我想\n389881\t404691\t部長針對這樣的一個今年就發生了至少四起以上的這個案子那我們怎麼樣跟其他部會能夠做這樣的一個合作我們那個原則上是這樣就是我們把現在說的海嵐包括國內海嵐都當作是我們的關鍵基礎建設\n405692\t434992\t那這個的意思就是說因為這樣關係我們就可以跟幾個部會像剛剛講海巡署然後這個包括同船會陸委會海港局一起來做所謂的演練那演練就是包括就是我們會注意到就是說在我們在海岸上面是不是有些船隻在逗留或者是在一些不正當的一些這個船隻的活動我們就會趕快去警告或處理那也就是因為這個演練的結果所以我們這次那個那個台棚這次\n436273\t451587\t發生斷纜的時候我們馬上就逮捕這條船這個就是這個多戈級這條船那類似的因為這個我們會繼續在這方面研練就是說讓以後我們對海南的這種可能的斷訊或是可能的威脅都有足夠的速度能夠來處理\n452828\t469189\t那當然這個也要加強跟國際的合作啦就是說這個這個海南在也是一個國際的問題就斷線國際問題那當然大家有不管是經驗應變的方法或甚至技術這個我們會繼續跟國外做合作那當然後面就是我們加上一些多元包括地位衛星\n470210\t496125\t我們還是要提醒要防範中共可能透過一個灰色地帶攻擊的方式癱瘓我們的這個海欄這部分那我想未來我們蘇衛部除了我們做一些部會的一些跨部會的整合防備之外那是不是應該要積極規劃建置更多的一個備援的一個路線我們現在就是像國內像台馬就是4號正在建然後另外就是微波跟\n497446\t522792\t低軌衛星的基地站也真的就是不見這個將來就是如果再發生這海欄端線的時候我們希望能夠維護頻寬能夠繼續的這個台馬4號是在115年6月會完工那微波事實上現在是從澎湖到嘉義有一個1.92Ghz的也在115年的1月會完工這樣\n524338\t540827\t這個大概就是在部件中好 那我想我們雖然我們的預算受到很大的影響但是這個網路防詐騙這個問題也是不能忽略啦那尤其我想目前的數據雖然呈現我們打詐的成效有出現但是\n541747\t565537\t以我們的警政署165的打債預標板看到我們一天還是有250期的非投資型的那尤其我們最近鄉下還是很多老人家甚至很多這個年輕人都被騙了我想這問題不能典型釋之那針對所謂的一個網路平台的部分我想剛剛部長也講了很多但是我想上有政策下有對策你怎麼不想到人家照片一張都想到了所以我們永遠要\n566337\t585485\t走得比他們更快 想他們比得更多啦歐雄部長這部分 都能夠加強那真的這樣部分我們是不是有更積極的一個作為有 現在是 我這個剛剛在很多大型 我有講過現在詐騙集團也是因為我們這些目前的這些防詐的效果有效果 所以他們開始轉變很多花樣\n586545\t607519\t他們這個很多轉變方案也是用AI的技術在做很多的轉變所以我們要防他或打詐不管是詐騙或者是駭客的攻擊一樣都要用AI去掃描去處理去判斷這一塊就是我們本來是今年的一個工作重點就是我們去發展這個AI技術能夠在打詐進升級防詐升級\n609620\t630359\t那我們還是會繼續努力做啦不過因為經費的關係我們有些工作就會縮小規模所以這個後續的這個效果我們當然這個有待觀察不過我們在這邊我們全力還是全力投入啦依我們目前的資源我們還是把這一塊當中是最高的Priority會把它盡量做好\n631099\t660342\t部長我去年到委員會的時候我就特別有提醒我們數位部處的這個預算很重要之外人才也很重要但是尤其我們最近發現我們的那個離職率也蠻高的這個我想這個數位競爭的環境我們也必須想出一個留住人才一個誘因那尤其我想我們現在我比較擔心還有我們其他的地方政府很多的單位他們對治安的這個處理能力不足但是我一發現我們的那個集合的量能\n661002\t686681\t這我今年就提醒過了,我們集合的量能太少了一年做十幾個,這是要怎麼做這麼多機關,是要怎麼做到會倒下像小年紀有的做一半就不會退位了所以我認為這要加強我們一個基礎的量能尤其是輔導我們這個地方很多機構的一個資安的一個能力跟一個人力的培訓這邊部長有沒有什麼樣的想法,要怎麼突破這個困境\n687521\t708954\t人才方面就是在高考有治安的專業科目另外就是我們有治安轉職系的一個訓練當然這個目前大概就是可以就是說當然是不夠但是我們盡量的去在人才上在治安人才盡量的培育\n710635\t737128\t治安的問題是因為治安的確業界也很需要所以外面挖角也蠻多的所以這個我們繼續努力就是讓第一個就是讓我們的環境工作環境更好那第二個就是說這個也讓這個治安人員了解工作的重要性那盡量能夠留才能夠在未來能夠做更好我們治安署最近也做一些調整包括署長跟副署長都有調整希望說從這裡面管理層面讓治安的整個工作環境能夠變得更好能夠減少離職的人數這樣\n740450\t744535\t對 今天部長提的部分 希望能夠對證一下要來我們共同來努力了好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們黃部長請黃部長徐委員好部長早 那我想剛剛我們好幾位委員都有特別關心到我們數位部這個總預算被刪除的問題那看起來我們目前的這個刪除預算高達35.8億刪除比例高達41%\n那剛剛我看部長還有我們幾位署長在應答的時候比較客氣啦 都不敢哀啦事實上這個對我們整個包含數位韌性 包含資訊安全包含AI產業 包含打詐工作影響影響非常的大那我想部長跟我們的所屬的官員不能等閒視之啊 我認為大家介紹都這樣 介紹都沒發生什麼事情我認為這個除了影響到我們\n部裡面的業務推展之外那事實上對我們整個不管是經濟也好民生也好甚至我們鄉親的權益影響甚巨所以我想這部分我們還是希望數位部未來在這個有機會這個在專案做解凍的時候一定也要力爭到底我想這部分這個是有關我們整個這個\n政府的發展也是百姓的相信的權益那我想我接著要跟部長提醒的是我們後續的這個數位部的業務我想除了不管只是關心到我們的數位安全之外甚至對我們整個數位基礎建設的發展甚至治安人員的一個招聘海嵐跟低軌衛星的建設跟我們最重要打炸計畫的進行這個都是息息相關那針對目前的這個左聯服一樣沒有過\n這個部分 未來有什麼樣的想法嗎就是剛剛委員這邊講得很好就是上次我們國家在未來經濟發展很重要就是數位經濟的發展數位經濟發展就是靠剛剛幾個工作就是一個當然基礎建設要做好 韌性要做好然後治安要做好那這個東西這次經費刪這麼多其實我們只好取消很多 尤其是研發方面的計畫\n那研發方面計畫一取消這個影響是長期性也就是說這個當然是未來這個我個人的擔心就是因為這次預算大刪在我們在還有就是剛剛講AI產業的推動會讓我們在這一邊不管是在AI產業推動我們可能就會落後那安全方面因為這些刪減我很擔心就是不管是詐騙或者是攻擊就比較容易侵入我們的系統\n然後造成我們很重要的一些不管是資料外洩甚至於資料不只是外洩還被篡改剛剛有委員講到說可能你的銀行資料都會被改掉原來存款就不見了類似這種問題都有可能會發生那油水店哪一天就誇聲全面大規模大停電是因為被入侵像這種問題都可能是我們所擔心的所以\n這個是蘇發部來講剛剛也講到一句很重要就是我們蘇發部就是網路的國防部這個因為不管是誰在攻擊我們他飛彈打飛彈是到最後的一開始一定是從網路先攻那就是攻你這些有水電交通金融系統 醫院系統這個就是這個防護就是我們蘇發部要負責一個很大的一個工作去協防但是這一部分在今年這樣的影響確實會很嚴重\n部長我想我個人現在比較擔心目前你們現在總預算的這個三減的幅度不要說出國旅費沒有了甚至未來可能連水電費甚至連你們到地方出差費用不然就沒有了\n所以我們有好幾個鄉鎮長議員在跟我說的說你如果沒有去出差的時候 你來住啦 他要來給你出錢啦這真的不是開玩笑的 他才煩惱這個部分那所以我想你們還是必須要走出去啦你不走出去也不了解我們很多的這個偏鄉的這個差距那尤其一些城鄉的發展所以部長我們要一起加油啦好 謝謝\n部長我想我們屏東縣這個幅員遼闊包含有山區有沿海還有這個離島那因為我們很多的這個偏鄉那些的行動通訊的部分確實是遠遠落後我們的都會區那甚至有造成這個4G涵蓋率不足的問題\n那針對這個偏鄉這個通訊不穩因為我們很多的颱風來的時候通訊中斷那造成所謂的一個救災的一個問題那甚至我們現在在一個偏鄉學校推展這個資訊教育的時候也常常因為這個網路不穩定你就不穩定要推廣那個數位教育那針對這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有什麼策略跟我們相關的部會來做一個合作\n我們本來就是對這個偏鄉的普及戶一直有一些一直在努力包括很多建設包括就是我們這個在偏鄉在去年我們有333個補助了333個5G的基地站那今年\n雖然預算有被砍但是我們還是會繼續推動這個偏鄉普及服務當然希望這個偏鄉當然就是包括屏東這個縣的這個適量的這個偏鄉我們都會想辦法讓他能夠享受跟台北一樣的頻寬\n那我的建議除了這個硬體的建設之外除了我們要增加基地台跟所謂的一個高抗旱的這個基地台的建置之外這對我們整個抗災是很大的一個幫忙讓我們的指揮可以順暢那另外在這個機動部分那是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者那五一的災情能夠有用行動基地車的方式\n去彌補是不是我們把它做成一個SOP做我們一個防災的一個很重要的一個依據這個我們會跟電信公司再來協調我想第二個就是涉及到這個整個國家跟通訊安全的部分就是我們的海嵐的一個問題\n我想從去年到現在我們陸陸續續發現很多這個不明的一個船隻故意在藉由這個停泊的一個機會那其實是看起來像是破壞我們的海底電纜那尤其我們台灣作為一個亞太很重要的一個通訊基地我們有十幾條的海底電纜連接所謂的一個全球的一個通訊的一個問題那我想這部分尤其對我們的通訊跟我們的經濟活動也很重要那我想\n部長針對這樣的一個今年就發生了至少四起以上的這個案子那我們怎麼樣跟其他部會能夠做這樣的一個合作我們那個原則上是這樣就是我們把現在說的海嵐包括國內海嵐都當作是我們的關鍵基礎建設\n那這個的意思就是說因為這樣關係我們就可以跟幾個部會像剛剛講海巡署然後這個包括同船會陸委會海港局一起來做所謂的演練那演練就是包括就是我們會注意到就是說在我們在海岸上面是不是有些船隻在逗留或者是在一些不正當的一些這個船隻的活動我們就會趕快去警告或處理那也就是因為這個演練的結果所以我們這次那個那個台棚這次\n發生斷纜的時候我們馬上就逮捕這條船這個就是這個多戈級這條船那類似的因為這個我們會繼續在這方面研練就是說讓以後我們對海南的這種可能的斷訊或是可能的威脅都有足夠的速度能夠來處理\n那當然這個也要加強跟國際的合作啦就是說這個這個海南在也是一個國際的問題就斷線國際問題那當然大家有不管是經驗應變的方法或甚至技術這個我們會繼續跟國外做合作那當然後面就是我們加上一些多元包括地位衛星\n我們還是要提醒要防範中共可能透過一個灰色地帶攻擊的方式癱瘓我們的這個海欄這部分那我想未來我們蘇衛部除了我們做一些部會的一些跨部會的整合防備之外那是不是應該要積極規劃建置更多的一個備援的一個路線我們現在就是像國內像台馬就是4號正在建然後另外就是微波跟\n低軌衛星的基地站也真的就是不見這個將來就是如果再發生這海欄端線的時候我們希望能夠維護頻寬能夠繼續的這個台馬4號是在115年6月會完工那微波事實上現在是從澎湖到嘉義有一個1.92Ghz的也在115年的1月會完工這樣\n這個大概就是在部件中好 那我想我們雖然我們的預算受到很大的影響但是這個網路防詐騙這個問題也是不能忽略啦那尤其我想目前的數據雖然呈現我們打詐的成效有出現但是\n以我們的警政署165的打債預標板看到我們一天還是有250期的非投資型的那尤其我們最近鄉下還是很多老人家甚至很多這個年輕人都被騙了我想這問題不能典型釋之那針對所謂的一個網路平台的部分我想剛剛部長也講了很多但是我想上有政策下有對策你怎麼不想到人家照片一張都想到了所以我們永遠要\n走得比他們更快 想他們比得更多啦歐雄部長這部分 都能夠加強那真的這樣部分我們是不是有更積極的一個作為有 現在是 我這個剛剛在很多大型 我有講過現在詐騙集團也是因為我們這些目前的這些防詐的效果有效果 所以他們開始轉變很多花樣\n他們這個很多轉變方案也是用AI的技術在做很多的轉變所以我們要防他或打詐不管是詐騙或者是駭客的攻擊一樣都要用AI去掃描去處理去判斷這一塊就是我們本來是今年的一個工作重點就是我們去發展這個AI技術能夠在打詐進升級防詐升級\n那我們還是會繼續努力做啦不過因為經費的關係我們有些工作就會縮小規模所以這個後續的這個效果我們當然這個有待觀察不過我們在這邊我們全力還是全力投入啦依我們目前的資源我們還是把這一塊當中是最高的Priority會把它盡量做好\n部長我去年到委員會的時候我就特別有提醒我們數位部處的這個預算很重要之外人才也很重要但是尤其我們最近發現我們的那個離職率也蠻高的這個我想這個數位競爭的環境我們也必須想出一個留住人才一個誘因那尤其我想我們現在我比較擔心還有我們其他的地方政府很多的單位他們對治安的這個處理能力不足但是我一發現我們的那個集合的量能\n這我今年就提醒過了,我們集合的量能太少了一年做十幾個,這是要怎麼做這麼多機關,是要怎麼做到會倒下像小年紀有的做一半就不會退位了所以我認為這要加強我們一個基礎的量能尤其是輔導我們這個地方很多機構的一個資安的一個能力跟一個人力的培訓這邊部長有沒有什麼樣的想法,要怎麼突破這個困境\n人才方面就是在高考有治安的專業科目另外就是我們有治安轉職系的一個訓練當然這個目前大概就是可以就是說當然是不夠但是我們盡量的去在人才上在治安人才盡量的培育\n治安的問題是因為治安的確業界也很需要所以外面挖角也蠻多的所以這個我們繼續努力就是讓第一個就是讓我們的環境工作環境更好那第二個就是說這個也讓這個治安人員了解工作的重要性那盡量能夠留才能夠在未來能夠做更好我們治安署最近也做一些調整包括署長跟副署長都有調整希望說從這裡面管理層面讓治安的整個工作環境能夠變得更好能夠減少離職的人數這樣\n對 今天部長提的部分 希望能夠對證一下要來我們共同來努力了好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.449 --> 00:23.256\n謝謝主席有請我們黃部長請黃部長徐委員好部長早那我想剛剛我們好幾位委員都有特別關心到我們數位部這個總預算被刪除的問題那看起來我們目前的這個刪除預算高達35.8億刪除比例高達41%\n\n00:27.617 --> 00:51.325\n那剛剛我看部長還有我們幾位署長在應答的時候比較客氣啦都不敢哀啦事實上這個對我們整個包含數位韌性包含資訊安全包含AI產業包含打詐工作影響影響非常的大那我想部長跟我們的所屬的官員不能等閒視之啊我認為大家介紹都這樣介紹都沒發生什麼事情我認為這個除了影響到我們\n\n00:55.686 --> 01:15.273\n部裡面的業務推展之外那事實上對我們整個不管是經濟也好民生也好甚至我們鄉親的權益影響甚巨所以我想這部分我們還是希望數位部未來在這個有機會這個在專案做解凍的時候一定也要力爭到底我想這部分這個是有關我們整個這個\n\n01:16.273 --> 01:45.032\n政府的發展也是百姓的相信的權益那我想我接著要跟部長提醒的是我們後續的這個數位部的業務我想除了不管只是關心到我們的數位安全之外甚至對我們整個數位基礎建設的發展甚至治安人員的一個招聘海嵐跟低軌衛星的建設跟我們最重要打炸計畫的進行這個都是息息相關那針對目前的這個左聯服一樣沒有過\n\n01:46.693 --> 02:09.166\n這個部分未來有什麼樣的想法嗎就是剛剛委員這邊講得很好就是上次我們國家在未來經濟發展很重要就是數位經濟的發展數位經濟發展就是靠剛剛幾個工作就是一個當然基礎建設要做好韌性要做好然後治安要做好那這個東西這次經費刪這麼多其實我們只好取消很多尤其是研發方面的計畫\n\n02:10.126 --> 02:37.816\n那研發方面計畫一取消這個影響是長期性也就是說這個當然是未來這個我個人的擔心就是因為這次預算大刪在我們在還有就是剛剛講AI產業的推動會讓我們在這一邊不管是在AI產業推動我們可能就會落後那安全方面因為這些刪減我很擔心就是不管是詐騙或者是攻擊就比較容易侵入我們的系統\n\n02:38.556 --> 03:02.175\n然後造成我們很重要的一些不管是資料外洩甚至於資料不只是外洩還被篡改剛剛有委員講到說可能你的銀行資料都會被改掉原來存款就不見了類似這種問題都有可能會發生那油水店哪一天就誇聲全面大規模大停電是因為被入侵像這種問題都可能是我們所擔心的所以\n\n03:04.897 --> 03:29.050\n這個是蘇發部來講剛剛也講到一句很重要就是我們蘇發部就是網路的國防部這個因為不管是誰在攻擊我們他飛彈打飛彈是到最後的一開始一定是從網路先攻那就是攻你這些有水電交通金融系統醫院系統這個就是這個防護就是我們蘇發部要負責一個很大的一個工作去協防但是這一部分在今年這樣的影響確實會很嚴重\n\n03:30.971 --> 03:44.669\n部長我想我個人現在比較擔心目前你們現在總預算的這個三減的幅度不要說出國旅費沒有了甚至未來可能連水電費甚至連你們到地方出差費用不然就沒有了\n\n03:46.071 --> 04:07.343\n所以我們有好幾個鄉鎮長議員在跟我說的說你如果沒有去出差的時候你來住啦他要來給你出錢啦這真的不是開玩笑的他才煩惱這個部分那所以我想你們還是必須要走出去啦你不走出去也不了解我們很多的這個偏鄉的這個差距那尤其一些城鄉的發展所以部長我們要一起加油啦好謝謝\n\n04:08.444 --> 04:23.579\n部長我想我們屏東縣這個幅員遼闊包含有山區有沿海還有這個離島那因為我們很多的這個偏鄉那些的行動通訊的部分確實是遠遠落後我們的都會區那甚至有造成這個4G涵蓋率不足的問題\n\n04:24.480 --> 04:49.434\n那針對這個偏鄉這個通訊不穩因為我們很多的颱風來的時候通訊中斷那造成所謂的一個救災的一個問題那甚至我們現在在一個偏鄉學校推展這個資訊教育的時候也常常因為這個網路不穩定你就不穩定要推廣那個數位教育那針對這樣的狀況部長我們有沒有什麼策略跟我們相關的部會來做一個合作\n\n04:50.415 --> 05:05.095\n我們本來就是對這個偏鄉的普及戶一直有一些一直在努力包括很多建設包括就是我們這個在偏鄉在去年我們有333個補助了333個5G的基地站那今年\n\n05:06.697 --> 05:20.410\n雖然預算有被砍但是我們還是會繼續推動這個偏鄉普及服務當然希望這個偏鄉當然就是包括屏東這個縣的這個適量的這個偏鄉我們都會想辦法讓他能夠享受跟台北一樣的頻寬\n\n05:21.851 --> 05:43.631\n那我的建議除了這個硬體的建設之外除了我們要增加基地台跟所謂的一個高抗旱的這個基地台的建置之外這對我們整個抗災是很大的一個幫忙讓我們的指揮可以順暢那另外在這個機動部分那是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者那五一的災情能夠有用行動基地車的方式\n\n05:44.251 --> 05:59.286\n去彌補是不是我們把它做成一個SOP做我們一個防災的一個很重要的一個依據這個我們會跟電信公司再來協調我想第二個就是涉及到這個整個國家跟通訊安全的部分就是我們的海嵐的一個問題\n\n06:00.367 --> 06:29.081\n我想從去年到現在我們陸陸續續發現很多這個不明的一個船隻故意在藉由這個停泊的一個機會那其實是看起來像是破壞我們的海底電纜那尤其我們台灣作為一個亞太很重要的一個通訊基地我們有十幾條的海底電纜連接所謂的一個全球的一個通訊的一個問題那我想這部分尤其對我們的通訊跟我們的經濟活動也很重要那我想\n\n06:29.881 --> 06:44.691\n部長針對這樣的一個今年就發生了至少四起以上的這個案子那我們怎麼樣跟其他部會能夠做這樣的一個合作我們那個原則上是這樣就是我們把現在說的海嵐包括國內海嵐都當作是我們的關鍵基礎建設\n\n06:45.692 --> 07:14.992\n那這個的意思就是說因為這樣關係我們就可以跟幾個部會像剛剛講海巡署然後這個包括同船會陸委會海港局一起來做所謂的演練那演練就是包括就是我們會注意到就是說在我們在海岸上面是不是有些船隻在逗留或者是在一些不正當的一些這個船隻的活動我們就會趕快去警告或處理那也就是因為這個演練的結果所以我們這次那個那個台棚這次\n\n07:16.273 --> 07:31.587\n發生斷纜的時候我們馬上就逮捕這條船這個就是這個多戈級這條船那類似的因為這個我們會繼續在這方面研練就是說讓以後我們對海南的這種可能的斷訊或是可能的威脅都有足夠的速度能夠來處理\n\n07:32.828 --> 07:49.189\n那當然這個也要加強跟國際的合作啦就是說這個這個海南在也是一個國際的問題就斷線國際問題那當然大家有不管是經驗應變的方法或甚至技術這個我們會繼續跟國外做合作那當然後面就是我們加上一些多元包括地位衛星\n\n07:50.210 --> 08:16.125\n我們還是要提醒要防範中共可能透過一個灰色地帶攻擊的方式癱瘓我們的這個海欄這部分那我想未來我們蘇衛部除了我們做一些部會的一些跨部會的整合防備之外那是不是應該要積極規劃建置更多的一個備援的一個路線我們現在就是像國內像台馬就是4號正在建然後另外就是微波跟\n\n08:17.446 --> 08:42.792\n低軌衛星的基地站也真的就是不見這個將來就是如果再發生這海欄端線的時候我們希望能夠維護頻寬能夠繼續的這個台馬4號是在115年6月會完工那微波事實上現在是從澎湖到嘉義有一個1.92Ghz的也在115年的1月會完工這樣\n\n08:44.338 --> 09:00.827\n這個大概就是在部件中好那我想我們雖然我們的預算受到很大的影響但是這個網路防詐騙這個問題也是不能忽略啦那尤其我想目前的數據雖然呈現我們打詐的成效有出現但是\n\n09:01.747 --> 09:25.537\n以我們的警政署165的打債預標板看到我們一天還是有250期的非投資型的那尤其我們最近鄉下還是很多老人家甚至很多這個年輕人都被騙了我想這問題不能典型釋之那針對所謂的一個網路平台的部分我想剛剛部長也講了很多但是我想上有政策下有對策你怎麼不想到人家照片一張都想到了所以我們永遠要\n\n09:26.337 --> 09:45.485\n走得比他們更快想他們比得更多啦歐雄部長這部分都能夠加強那真的這樣部分我們是不是有更積極的一個作為有現在是我這個剛剛在很多大型我有講過現在詐騙集團也是因為我們這些目前的這些防詐的效果有效果所以他們開始轉變很多花樣\n\n09:46.545 --> 10:07.519\n他們這個很多轉變方案也是用AI的技術在做很多的轉變所以我們要防他或打詐不管是詐騙或者是駭客的攻擊一樣都要用AI去掃描去處理去判斷這一塊就是我們本來是今年的一個工作重點就是我們去發展這個AI技術能夠在打詐進升級防詐升級\n\n10:09.620 --> 10:30.359\n那我們還是會繼續努力做啦不過因為經費的關係我們有些工作就會縮小規模所以這個後續的這個效果我們當然這個有待觀察不過我們在這邊我們全力還是全力投入啦依我們目前的資源我們還是把這一塊當中是最高的Priority會把它盡量做好\n\n10:31.099 --> 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