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00:01:58,318\n的問題性剝削跟性虐待那依照衛生福利部我去看的一個數字我們網路的交友性侵案越來越多未成年受害比例最高網友性侵占比於一成\n\n7\n00:01:59,864 --> 00:02:18,819\n所以有很多網路上的不管是LINE、IG現在還有小紅書、抖音還有這種封閉式的個人聊天式的一個對話這些話術我們如何讓孩子知道什麼是真什麼是假那現在因為這樣子教育部\n\n8\n00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:35,676\n教育部你推出手機管制規範因為現在有些學校有管制有些學校沒管制所以有些學校你也看到所謂的俗稱養雞場或者是停機坪那要不要統一保管\n\n9\n00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:54,703\n我想可能這個跟數位發展部沒有關係但是呢大家關注的是什麼孩子的使用他對於手機裡面網路的內容的安全性還有他上網的一個每日接觸的時數時間\n\n10\n00:02:57,566 --> 00:03:11,742\n那我們都希望是為這個未成年來努力那現在網路到處都常有陷阱那甚至我舉個例子澳洲有立法禁止未成年使用\n\n11\n00:03:12,623 --> 00:03:32,093\n那而且呢這個反映的是政府的網路治理的挑戰那速發部對教育部已經離管制手機保管手機還有呢澳洲有立法禁止那對網路的一個治理要保護青少年的一個網路治理政策速發部有嗎部長\n\n12\n00:03:33,373 --> 00:03:51,908\n那個的確這個這個網路網路內容不當內容造成青少年影響是蠻大的那我們也有注意到這個這個像剛剛講就是澳洲政府在這邊的一個16歲以下就是說這個接觸就是一些限制那\n\n13\n00:03:53,590 --> 00:03:54,873\n112年度國小跟高中生在網路沉迷的傾向\n\n14\n00:04:05,543 --> 00:04:32,439\n比106年的調查上升上網我們國小國中高中上網最常進行的活動國小跟國中生都是玩智慧型手機遊戲就是線上遊戲手遊我剛剛講的很多網路的詐騙點數的詐騙就是在這裡還有我們呢比例最高的這個國小是將近八成國中呢也將近77.6%\n\n15\n00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:45,234\n那高中生呢是主要是遊戲也有還有呢網路的這個社群網站的比例高達八成五那anyway未成年的\n\n16\n00:04:47,202 --> 00:05:11,662\n的孩子跟青少年就是這兩個社交平台社群然後呢遊戲包委遊戲的確是我們納管的那遊戲現在是這樣我們有把遊戲分類分級那就是有友善遊戲我們Promote那個友善遊戲所以鼓勵就是基本上就是鼓勵青少年那我們有宣傳嗎我們怎麼去分級怎麼去監理\n\n17\n00:05:13,202 --> 00:05:34,053\n對這個我們有宣傳而且我們辦活動都有這個是不是請素產署再說明一下你可不可以再跟我講一下就是我們有根據委員關心那個二少法的部分去做遊戲的分級有分為五級那我們也要推廣友善遊戲比如說這個遊戲是注重消費者保護注重個資保護的這個我們就會把它列為友善遊戲來推廣\n\n18\n00:05:35,905 --> 00:05:58,960\n所以就只有這樣子而已那有什麼標籤顯示比如說家長家長要陪同孩子要了解孩子在玩什麼遊戲那家長可以怎麼樣的按照您所謂的分級分類的管理我們可以怎麼去幫忙一下陪同孩子知道孩子到底有沒有越級或者是他玩他不應該有的遊戲\n\n19\n00:06:00,634 --> 00:06:17,402\n謝謝委員關心這個的確是有我們還入校入班我們現在的團隊每年應該有幾十場到教室裡面去宣傳的幾十場我們應該有幾十場的幾十場啊我們去查一下資料\n\n20\n00:06:17,882 --> 00:06:44,291\n你們現在有在跟教育部或是跟各級學校全台灣那麼多學校你們只有幾十場那你們是怎麼樣的在分區域或者是分年度或者是分國小、國中、高中那怎麼去分配這樣子的一個入學校的宣傳那宣傳的人又是誰那又是透過何種方式宣傳那你們跟家長的溝通有嗎\n\n21\n00:06:45,560 --> 00:07:13,094\n我們有一個組織其實是有家長參與的包括有消費團體家長團體參與他們會來共同決定我們這些整個的制度推廣的一些做法你會後可以給我一個隨便報告嗎好不好我覺得我是建議部長請正視這個問題喔這個雖然你的工作呢只有在遊戲那社交平台或是社群包括社群你也可以喝咖啡我先提供一個IG\n\n22\n00:07:14,395 --> 00:07:32,174\nIG現在青少年的帳號台灣上線未滿16歲自動設為不公開這個很多人應該不知道吧連部長你也不知道對不對而且IG裡面它有一個你可以透過家長變更這一項設定\n\n23\n00:07:35,114 --> 00:08:01,540\n那這個其實也是所謂的一個分級管理的類似同理可證就是說當然社交平台他社群有在努力但是我覺得我們社發部作為網路治理的一個主要的主責單位業務單位我們要去正視到這一塊就是說在我們的網路治理的一個政策裡面我們怎麼針對未成年的保護來做\n\n24\n00:08:04,643 --> 00:08:27,575\n雖然我們有所謂的這個你說在遊戲這邊有一個分級的管理那你也說有宣傳可是我相信很多人不知道我今天問你你回答我可能大家還知道不然很多人不知道甚至很多家長也不知道那所以我們怎麼如果能夠安心呢\n\n25\n00:08:28,426 --> 00:08:51,231\n這個我們在制度跟宣傳上我們都會加強那當然就是從遊戲以外在其他的這個像講說Meta這種軟體的這個方面我們會看怎麼樣再去跟Meta他們溝通就是說至少像這個委員講這個IG這個我覺得是很好就是對年齡不滿16歲要有特別的處理管理措施\n\n26\n00:08:52,582 --> 00:09:07,608\n我是建議除了這個IG以外其他的如果是我們可以政府可以去喝咖啡努力的我覺得也應該啦那你剛剛講的是只有這個遊戲的部分那時候跟你講遊戲不是只有分級治理的問題而已遊戲我剛剛講的遊戲點數的詐騙\n\n27\n00:09:12,165 --> 00:09:34,266\n那個我們有處理你們有特別關注嗎現在已經降到很低了孩子與孩子之間的點數的交易或者是孩子跟這個平台的點數的交易或者是你們認為他已經降低到多少是不是也再給我一個書面報告好不好\n\n28\n00:09:34,787 --> 00:09:44,410\n因為我為什麼要特別提到再給我一分鐘就好我接下來講今天很多人都關心這個詐騙那詐騙你們現在有一個打詐的一個全民防騙網那這個打詐通報查詢網我覺得你們都做一半\n\n29\n00:09:52,193 --> 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部長\n那個的確這個這個網路網路內容不當內容造成青少年影響是蠻大的那我們也有注意到這個這個像剛剛講就是澳洲政府在這邊的一個16歲以下就是說這個接觸就是一些限制那\n112年度國小跟高中生在網路沉迷的傾向\n比106年的調查上升上網我們國小國中高中上網最常進行的活動國小跟國中生都是玩智慧型手機遊戲就是線上遊戲手遊我剛剛講的很多網路的詐騙點數的詐騙就是在這裡還有我們呢比例最高的這個國小是將近八成國中呢也將近77.6%\n那高中生呢是主要是遊戲也有還有呢網路的這個社群網站的比例高達八成五那anyway未成年的\n的孩子跟青少年就是這兩個社交平台社群然後呢遊戲包委遊戲的確是我們納管的那遊戲現在是這樣我們有把遊戲分類分級那就是有友善遊戲我們Promote那個友善遊戲所以鼓勵就是基本上就是鼓勵青少年那我們有宣傳嗎我們怎麼去分級怎麼去監理\n對 這個我們有宣傳 而且我們辦活動都有 這個是不是請素產署再說明一下你可不可以再跟我講一下就是我們有根據委員關心那個二少法的部分去做遊戲的分級 有分為五級那我們也要推廣友善遊戲 比如說這個遊戲是注重消費者保護 注重個資保護的這個我們就會把它列為友善遊戲來推廣\n所以就只有這樣子而已那有什麼標籤顯示比如說家長家長要陪同孩子要了解孩子在玩什麼遊戲那家長可以怎麼樣的按照您所謂的分級分類的管理我們可以怎麼去幫忙一下陪同孩子知道孩子到底有沒有越級或者是他玩他不應該有的遊戲\n謝謝委員關心這個的確是有我們還入校入班我們現在的團隊每年應該有幾十場到教室裡面去宣傳的幾十場我們應該有幾十場的幾十場啊我們去查一下資料\n你們現在有在跟教育部或是跟各級學校全台灣那麼多學校你們只有幾十場那你們是怎麼樣的在分區域或者是分年度或者是分國小、國中、高中那怎麼去分配這樣子的一個入學校的宣傳那宣傳的人又是誰那又是透過何種方式宣傳那你們跟家長的溝通有嗎\n我們有一個組織其實是有家長參與的包括有消費團體家長團體參與他們會來共同決定我們這些整個的制度推廣的一些做法你會後可以給我一個隨便報告嗎好不好我覺得我是建議部長請正視這個問題喔這個雖然你的工作呢只有在遊戲那社交平台或是社群包括社群你也可以喝咖啡我先提供一個IG\nIG現在青少年的帳號台灣上線未滿16歲自動設為不公開這個很多人應該不知道吧連部長你也不知道對不對而且IG裡面它有一個你可以透過家長變更這一項設定\n那這個其實也是所謂的一個分級管理的類似同理可證就是說當然社交平台他社群有在努力但是我覺得我們社發部作為網路治理的一個主要的主責單位業務單位我們要去正視到這一塊就是說在我們的網路治理的一個政策裡面我們怎麼針對未成年的保護來做\n雖然我們有所謂的這個你說在遊戲這邊有一個分級的管理那你也說有宣傳可是我相信很多人不知道我今天問你你回答我可能大家還知道不然很多人不知道甚至很多家長也不知道那所以我們怎麼如果能夠安心呢\n這個我們在制度跟宣傳上我們都會加強那當然就是從遊戲以外在其他的這個像講說Meta這種軟體的這個方面我們會看怎麼樣再去跟Meta他們溝通就是說至少像這個委員講這個IG這個我覺得是很好就是對年齡不滿16歲要有特別的處理管理措施\n我是建議除了這個IG以外其他的如果是我們可以政府可以去喝咖啡努力的我覺得也應該啦那你剛剛講的是只有這個遊戲的部分那時候跟你講遊戲不是只有分級治理的問題而已遊戲我剛剛講的遊戲點數的詐騙\n那個我們有處理你們有特別關注嗎現在已經降到很低了孩子與孩子之間的點數的交易或者是孩子跟這個平台的點數的交易或者是你們認為他已經降低到多少是不是也再給我一個書面報告好不好\n因為我為什麼要特別提到 再給我一分鐘就好我接下來講 今天很多人都關心這個詐騙那詐騙你們現在有一個打詐的一個全民防騙網那這個打詐通報查詢網 我覺得你們都做一半\n因為做一半的意思是說你們雖然有跟警政署有所謂的165的全面防詐騙的網路那你們也設計了一個APP但是這個APP在去年呢試用了之後試營運了之後好像不是很理想所以要再調整那再調整了之後呢\n到目前為止我還沒有看到最終的結果那現在這個APP有沒有再一次的上平台了現在已經給各部會使用了1月就給各部會使用那現在在行政院在審核行政院審核通過我們就再公開所以你現在是先提供給各部會使用那請問一下來下一個有沒有可能是開放民眾可以一鍵查詢就是\n因為我們現在看到的不同的資訊是散落在不同的平台跟名單裡面你譬如說呢這個全民房詐騙網在警政署那呢非金管會的這投資詐騙等等警示專區是在金管會的一個警示專區那呢你速發部呢現在因為管第三方支付所以呢你又有一個登錄的一個系統那這三個系統\n我只是簡單舉出這三個可能相關的系統跟詐騙比較有關係的目前你們的這個所謂的打詐通報查詢網是沒有把這不同的部會的系統有做結合\n這個當然是技術性問題如何嫁接我不知道因為你們是專家那我是希望如果以一般民眾的角度來看的話我如果知道速發布政府有這一個APP那我今天收到一個我覺得有疑問的一個投資訊息我要去查詢這個給我的連結的網到底是真的假的還是他曾經有過詐騙的\n即儀式名單裡面那我如何可以去查詢很方便的查詢那如果我查到他確實在某個部會的警示專區裡面我是不是多了一份警覺信我就不要再點了我就不要再進去看了\n這個是一個防炸的一個很基本的一個平台的嫁接這個有可能做得到那個委員的建議很好那我們有個打炸辦公室我們在下次開會會再跟大家幾個幾個部會一起把這個東西看能不能像委員的建議整合成一個單一的一個界面\n是 是 因為這是跨部會的東西 拜託好不好 我們整合成一個界面第二個整合成界面之後呢 我們甚至要更積極的去進步去更新 更新什麼有些是因為他有被報案的 他有被警示的才列在這個list上面那沒有列在list上面以外的 他有可能詐騙集團\n手法日新日異我們的公司登記又很簡單他可能又再創一個網頁或是再冒用另外一家公司他可能又有新的手法我覺得這個也要在我們嫁接\n的平台裡面要不斷的提醒我警示我覺得這個都很重要所以拜託部長這個我希望我們可以做得到你是不是這個給你一個月等你下次開會之後各部會開會之後能不能做得到什麼時候可以做到可不可以給我一個答案好不好一個月內好不好好 以上好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.485 --> 00:08.295\n謝謝蘇越召委我們請部長你要不要喝口水謝謝謝謝我們請黃部長\n\n00:16.206 --> 00:42.700\n部長好,我身為孩子的家長,家裡也有青少年所以我關心的是,看起來好像跟我們沒相關,但是息息相關我們現在未成年的網路的受害人數逐年攀升今天很多我們的委員在關心詐騙,其實詐騙裡面其中有一定的比例也有是孩子\n\n00:43.200 --> 00:53.963\n那孩子的詐騙大部分是聚焦在這個遊戲的點數之類的那所以呢不管是這個詐騙也好或者是孩子被誘拐也好或者是孩子我相信我們前幾年孩子\n\n01:01.966 --> 01:17.347\n被網路性剝削的案件層出不窮還有所謂的案房事件所以我們各國都積極在希望在網路的治理裡面有很重要的一點就是保護未成年人如何安全安心的上網\n\n01:18.248 --> 01:39.097\n那我們的網路治理又該如何有針對青少年孩子的一個安全政策那所以呢如何保護孩子跟青少年我現在給你一個數據這個是報紙媒體說全球每年有3億以上的兒童面臨網路性剝削跟性虐待這個還沒有包含我剛剛講的詐騙\n\n01:41.218 --> 01:58.318\n的問題性剝削跟性虐待那依照衛生福利部我去看的一個數字我們網路的交友性侵案越來越多未成年受害比例最高網友性侵占比於一成\n\n01:59.864 --> 02:18.819\n所以有很多網路上的不管是LINE、IG現在還有小紅書、抖音還有這種封閉式的個人聊天式的一個對話這些話術我們如何讓孩子知道什麼是真什麼是假那現在因為這樣子教育部\n\n02:19.660 --> 02:35.676\n教育部你推出手機管制規範因為現在有些學校有管制有些學校沒管制所以有些學校你也看到所謂的俗稱養雞場或者是停機坪那要不要統一保管\n\n02:36.823 --> 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