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00:00:42,446\n那來細數這454天的努力我非常謝謝青年團體跟思瑤給我很多元的意見我們歷經了無數次的大小的座談不管是公開或是不公開那包括謝謝陳建仁前院長以及這一屆的卓院長都sayyes所以今天我們有機會站在這裡進一步的由我們的教育部來作為主責的單位下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:07,072 --> 00:01:31,854\n為什麼需要青年基本法因為要落實青年的主流化擴大挺青年要解決組織面的困境解決政策面的困境更要藉由一個永續的而且是高位階的基本法可以建立一個不論誰執政都能夠挺青年的永續政策所以我要強調它是一個基本法它不是作用法\n\n5\n00:01:32,495 --> 00:01:49,067\n他是要把基本国策的高度可以定出来而且可以整合政策工具拓展政策的广度更可以延伸永续发展的政策的时间的长度所以台湾需要青年基本法下演\n\n6\n00:01:49,787 --> 00:02:10,954\n而推動基本法民進黨最用心最有經驗民進黨的執政的任內呢我們的九部基本法就是我們最有經驗也因為有過去奠基的經驗這一次我非常期待青年基本法能夠來copy前面的幾個基本法的經驗框架有了\n\n7\n00:02:12,274 --> 00:02:28,094\n這整個運作的機制有了然後我們可以更快的完成立法而且能夠提升整個基本法的品質您剛剛說一個月內行政院會有院版然後呢這個會期希望能夠送到立法院一個月內送到一個月內部版\n\n8\n00:02:30,377 --> 00:02:46,906\n部辦送行政院好那這個會期院版送到立法院很好謝謝您的補充說明所以因為有前面的經驗我相信可以更快而且事實上我們已經推動了400多天了好我們加緊來進行下一個\n\n9\n00:02:47,947 --> 00:02:52,190\n那我也謝謝因為私謠的版本是推動最早所以現在我跨黨派委員提出來的18個版本基本上以私謠的版本為基礎大家接受就是說我接受大家給我更多元的意見那同時我也謝謝這個base這個討論的基礎基本上也能夠作為原版的一個參照但是我利用我非常短的時間我替大家彙整出了18個版本的進合之處\n\n10\n00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:23,578\n第一個青年的用詞定義剛剛很多委員講了大概是吳思瑤版的十三案\n\n11\n00:03:25,238 --> 00:03:29,641\n18到35岁最多也是行政院的立场那芬兰\n\n12\n00:04:01,180 --> 00:04:14,883\n教育部會是主責單位但是基本法是不應當明定主管機關的過去到現在的基本法多數除了\n\n13\n00:04:15,959 --> 00:04:45,088\n去年很倉促很快的通過的新住民基本法是在一片混亂當中而且是因為藍白多數表決通過的事實上你去參酌過去所有基本法的立法體力都沒有明定主管機關因為它是跨部會而且它是要垂直中央跟地方的各級政府所以我要做這個提醒否則很多一開始卡在主管機關就會擺不平這是我的提醒不應當明定主管機關下一個我加快\n\n14\n00:04:45,948 --> 00:05:03,140\n但是應當要有專責單位我要提醒單位跟機關不一樣吳思瑤等五個版是專責單位那像怡瑾交委他是用專責機關但是我要分享專責機關每一個機關是法有名定尤其在地方政府\n\n15\n00:05:03,700 --> 00:05:29,835\n青年基本法不只要求中央的各部會落實青年主流化也要求各級政府來配合但各個政府的機關數是有法定的天花板的如果用機關來定的話可能會去影響跟限縮各級政府做得到跟做不到的那個困境所以我是提醒大家也希望能夠把專責單位反而更可行\n\n16\n00:05:32,176 --> 00:05:54,453\n然後呢吳斯堯的版本是執行監督跟管考機制中央要有一個跨部會的青年事務協調匯報跨部會的第二個常設的青年諮詢機制就是現在的青年青資會要不要再拓展再延伸再改造我支持第三個專責單位注意喔不是主管機關專責單位eitherway是教育部\n\n17\n00:05:55,214 --> 00:06:18,421\n或是行政院另外有一个任务编组是在行政院设置青年事务办公室都可以这是四要的版本你们可以参照下一个最后两点很重要的是不要再卡在要不要设青年发展基金而延宕了立法因为立法院不要再违宪立法院不得为增加预算支出之倡议跟提案\n\n18\n00:06:19,401 --> 00:06:37,230\n我看到國民黨委員的版本都有要求國家設立青年發展基金如果是行政院你們認為可以做你們也要找出指定的裁員就是預算法九十一條憲法七十條成正紀律法第五條第七條的規範所以不要卡在青年發展基金\n\n19\n00:06:39,212 --> 00:07:07,611\n我們的版本多數民進黨的版本都是以寬列青年預算逐年增加這樣子的文字不只可行而且它不會違憲它不會違憲就不會卡在未來法案這邊逃我不希望青年基本法最後通過了違憲的版本還要去釋憲好事不要再去釋憲所以我們就在條文上提醒大家要注意最後一個最後一個對於青年政策白皮書的提出\n\n20\n00:07:08,911 --> 00:07:38,251\n青年国事会议召开的频率我也希望跟建议参着各个基本法的规定责任政治都是四年为期所以这是我汇整出来目前的几个版本的进合上而且我认为一定要提出的提醒也希望纳入你们布版跟院版的参考这样子的话我说的这些话不只来自于吴思耀过去四百多天的努力跟青年团体跟所有的委员的努力更是因为我们有过去\n\n21\n00:07:39,151 --> 00:07:53,528\n好幾部基本法制定的經驗擷取過去的經驗我們不要再走冤枉路也不要甚至不要造成未來立法的一些陷入僵局的狀況所以我的幾點提醒是不是市長都可以帶回去\n\n22\n00:07:54,068 --> 00:07:55,028\n謝謝主席給我時間謝謝大家謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4161\t7992\t謝謝主席,四妖姐姐來了,有請次長好,有請次長\n12442\t36644\t今天特別開心我可以回到熟悉的教文會最有氣質的教文會那更開心的是私邀推動了兩屆今天是第454天青年基本法可以邁向最後一里路與其壯世代更英挺青年我想這是台灣社會很高的共識青年世代就是我們的未來下一頁\n37885\t42446\t那來細數這454天的努力我非常謝謝青年團體跟思瑤給我很多元的意見我們歷經了無數次的大小的座談不管是公開或是不公開那包括謝謝陳建仁前院長以及這一屆的卓院長都say yes所以今天我們有機會站在這裡進一步的由我們的教育部來作為主責的單位下一頁\n67072\t91854\t為什麼需要青年基本法因為要落實青年的主流化擴大挺青年要解決組織面的困境解決政策面的困境更要藉由一個永續的而且是高位階的基本法可以建立一個不論誰執政都能夠挺青年的永續政策所以我要強調它是一個基本法它不是作用法\n92495\t109067\t他是要把基本国策的高度可以定出来而且可以整合政策工具拓展政策的广度更可以延伸永续发展的政策的时间的长度所以台湾需要青年基本法下演\n109787\t130954\t而推動基本法民進黨最用心最有經驗民進黨的執政的任內呢我們的九部基本法就是我們最有經驗也因為有過去奠基的經驗這一次我非常期待青年基本法能夠來copy前面的幾個基本法的經驗框架有了\n132274\t148094\t這整個運作的機制有了然後我們可以更快的完成立法而且能夠提升整個基本法的品質您剛剛說一個月內行政院會有院版然後呢這個會期希望能夠送到立法院一個月內送到一個月內部版\n150377\t166906\t部辦送行政院好那這個會期院版送到立法院很好謝謝您的補充說明所以因為有前面的經驗我相信可以更快而且事實上我們已經推動了400多天了好我們加緊來進行下一個\n167947\t172190\t那我也謝謝因為私謠的版本是推動最早所以現在我跨黨派委員提出來的18個版本基本上以私謠的版本為基礎大家接受就是說我接受大家給我更多元的意見那同時我也謝謝這個base這個討論的基礎基本上也能夠作為原版的一個參照但是我利用我非常短的時間我替大家彙整出了18個版本的進合之處\n197967\t203578\t第一個 青年的用詞定義 剛剛很多委員講了大概是吳思瑤版的十三案\n205238\t209641\t18到35岁最多也是行政院的立场那芬兰\n241180\t254883\t教育部會是主責單位但是基本法是不應當明定主管機關的過去到現在的基本法多數除了\n255959\t285088\t去年很倉促很快的通過的新住民基本法是在一片混亂當中而且是因為藍白多數表決通過的事實上你去參酌過去所有基本法的立法體力都沒有明定主管機關因為它是跨部會而且它是要垂直中央跟地方的各級政府所以我要做這個提醒否則很多一開始卡在主管機關就會擺不平這是我的提醒不應當明定主管機關下一個我加快\n285948\t303140\t但是應當要有專責單位我要提醒單位跟機關不一樣吳思瑤等五個版是專責單位那像怡瑾交委他是用專責機關但是我要分享專責機關每一個機關是法有名定尤其在地方政府\n303700\t329835\t青年基本法不只要求中央的各部會落實青年主流化也要求各級政府來配合但各個政府的機關數是有法定的天花板的如果用機關來定的話可能會去影響跟限縮各級政府做得到跟做不到的那個困境所以我是提醒大家也希望能夠把專責單位反而更可行\n332176\t354453\t然後呢 吳斯堯的版本是執行監督跟管考機制 中央要有一個跨部會的青年事務協調匯報 跨部會的第二個 常設的青年諮詢機制就是現在的青年 青資會要不要再拓展 再延伸 再改造 我支持第三個 專責單位 注意喔 不是主管機關專責單位 either way 是教育部\n355214\t378421\t或是行政院另外有一个任务编组是在行政院设置青年事务办公室都可以这是四要的版本你们可以参照下一个最后两点很重要的是不要再卡在要不要设青年发展基金而延宕了立法因为立法院不要再违宪立法院不得为增加预算支出之倡议跟提案\n379401\t397230\t我看到國民黨委員的版本都有要求國家設立青年發展基金如果是行政院你們認為可以做你們也要找出指定的裁員就是預算法九十一條憲法七十條成正紀律法第五條第七條的規範所以不要卡在青年發展基金\n399212\t427611\t我們的版本多數民進黨的版本都是以寬列青年預算逐年增加這樣子的文字不只可行而且它不會違憲它不會違憲就不會卡在未來法案這邊逃我不希望青年基本法最後通過了違憲的版本還要去釋憲好事不要再去釋憲所以我們就在條文上提醒大家要注意最後一個最後一個對於青年政策白皮書的提出\n428911\t458251\t青年国事会议召开的频率我也希望跟建议参着各个基本法的规定责任政治都是四年为期所以这是我汇整出来目前的几个版本的进合上而且我认为一定要提出的提醒也希望纳入你们布版跟院版的参考这样子的话我说的这些话不只来自于吴思耀过去四百多天的努力跟青年团体跟所有的委员的努力更是因为我们有过去\n459151\t473528\t好幾部基本法制定的經驗擷取過去的經驗我們不要再走冤枉路也不要甚至不要造成未來立法的一些陷入僵局的狀況所以我的幾點提醒是不是市長都可以帶回去\n474068\t475028\t謝謝主席給我時間謝謝大家謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,四妖姐姐來了,有請次長好,有請次長\n今天特別開心我可以回到熟悉的教文會最有氣質的教文會那更開心的是私邀推動了兩屆今天是第454天青年基本法可以邁向最後一里路與其壯世代更英挺青年我想這是台灣社會很高的共識青年世代就是我們的未來下一頁\n那來細數這454天的努力我非常謝謝青年團體跟思瑤給我很多元的意見我們歷經了無數次的大小的座談不管是公開或是不公開那包括謝謝陳建仁前院長以及這一屆的卓院長都say yes所以今天我們有機會站在這裡進一步的由我們的教育部來作為主責的單位下一頁\n為什麼需要青年基本法因為要落實青年的主流化擴大挺青年要解決組織面的困境解決政策面的困境更要藉由一個永續的而且是高位階的基本法可以建立一個不論誰執政都能夠挺青年的永續政策所以我要強調它是一個基本法它不是作用法\n他是要把基本国策的高度可以定出来而且可以整合政策工具拓展政策的广度更可以延伸永续发展的政策的时间的长度所以台湾需要青年基本法下演\n而推動基本法民進黨最用心最有經驗民進黨的執政的任內呢我們的九部基本法就是我們最有經驗也因為有過去奠基的經驗這一次我非常期待青年基本法能夠來copy前面的幾個基本法的經驗框架有了\n這整個運作的機制有了然後我們可以更快的完成立法而且能夠提升整個基本法的品質您剛剛說一個月內行政院會有院版然後呢這個會期希望能夠送到立法院一個月內送到一個月內部版\n部辦送行政院好那這個會期院版送到立法院很好謝謝您的補充說明所以因為有前面的經驗我相信可以更快而且事實上我們已經推動了400多天了好我們加緊來進行下一個\n那我也謝謝因為私謠的版本是推動最早所以現在我跨黨派委員提出來的18個版本基本上以私謠的版本為基礎大家接受就是說我接受大家給我更多元的意見那同時我也謝謝這個base這個討論的基礎基本上也能夠作為原版的一個參照但是我利用我非常短的時間我替大家彙整出了18個版本的進合之處\n第一個 青年的用詞定義 剛剛很多委員講了大概是吳思瑤版的十三案\n18到35岁最多也是行政院的立场那芬兰\n教育部會是主責單位但是基本法是不應當明定主管機關的過去到現在的基本法多數除了\n去年很倉促很快的通過的新住民基本法是在一片混亂當中而且是因為藍白多數表決通過的事實上你去參酌過去所有基本法的立法體力都沒有明定主管機關因為它是跨部會而且它是要垂直中央跟地方的各級政府所以我要做這個提醒否則很多一開始卡在主管機關就會擺不平這是我的提醒不應當明定主管機關下一個我加快\n但是應當要有專責單位我要提醒單位跟機關不一樣吳思瑤等五個版是專責單位那像怡瑾交委他是用專責機關但是我要分享專責機關每一個機關是法有名定尤其在地方政府\n青年基本法不只要求中央的各部會落實青年主流化也要求各級政府來配合但各個政府的機關數是有法定的天花板的如果用機關來定的話可能會去影響跟限縮各級政府做得到跟做不到的那個困境所以我是提醒大家也希望能夠把專責單位反而更可行\n然後呢 吳斯堯的版本是執行監督跟管考機制 中央要有一個跨部會的青年事務協調匯報 跨部會的第二個 常設的青年諮詢機制就是現在的青年 青資會要不要再拓展 再延伸 再改造 我支持第三個 專責單位 注意喔 不是主管機關專責單位 either way 是教育部\n或是行政院另外有一个任务编组是在行政院设置青年事务办公室都可以这是四要的版本你们可以参照下一个最后两点很重要的是不要再卡在要不要设青年发展基金而延宕了立法因为立法院不要再违宪立法院不得为增加预算支出之倡议跟提案\n我看到國民黨委員的版本都有要求國家設立青年發展基金如果是行政院你們認為可以做你們也要找出指定的裁員就是預算法九十一條憲法七十條成正紀律法第五條第七條的規範所以不要卡在青年發展基金\n我們的版本多數民進黨的版本都是以寬列青年預算逐年增加這樣子的文字不只可行而且它不會違憲它不會違憲就不會卡在未來法案這邊逃我不希望青年基本法最後通過了違憲的版本還要去釋憲好事不要再去釋憲所以我們就在條文上提醒大家要注意最後一個最後一個對於青年政策白皮書的提出\n青年国事会议召开的频率我也希望跟建议参着各个基本法的规定责任政治都是四年为期所以这是我汇整出来目前的几个版本的进合上而且我认为一定要提出的提醒也希望纳入你们布版跟院版的参考这样子的话我说的这些话不只来自于吴思耀过去四百多天的努力跟青年团体跟所有的委员的努力更是因为我们有过去\n好幾部基本法制定的經驗擷取過去的經驗我們不要再走冤枉路也不要甚至不要造成未來立法的一些陷入僵局的狀況所以我的幾點提醒是不是市長都可以帶回去\n謝謝主席給我時間謝謝大家謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.161 --> 00:07.992\n謝謝主席,四妖姐姐來了,有請次長好,有請次長\n\n00:12.442 --> 00:36.644\n今天特別開心我可以回到熟悉的教文會最有氣質的教文會那更開心的是私邀推動了兩屆今天是第454天青年基本法可以邁向最後一里路與其壯世代更英挺青年我想這是台灣社會很高的共識青年世代就是我們的未來下一頁\n\n00:37.885 --> 00:42.446\n那來細數這454天的努力我非常謝謝青年團體跟思瑤給我很多元的意見我們歷經了無數次的大小的座談不管是公開或是不公開那包括謝謝陳建仁前院長以及這一屆的卓院長都sayyes所以今天我們有機會站在這裡進一步的由我們的教育部來作為主責的單位下一頁\n\n01:07.072 --> 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