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00:01:08,163\n全台灣純電動車的登記數已經將近10萬台現在可能已經突破10萬台了那現在市場部分國內純電動車在2024年的銷售也有3.8萬輛的這個電動車那年生大概是53.4%增加的速度非常快我想因此我們中央的法令跟政策也要跟上腳步那不過現在各縣市大概反映的問題\n\n4\n00:01:09,605 --> 00:01:24,078\n就是我們社區的大樓充電樁的比例依然是很低主要原因還是住戶擔憂整個電動車引發的火災的問題我想之前跟消防署署長有聊過這件事情確實是一個比較複雜的火災現象\n\n5\n00:01:28,001 --> 00:01:43,842\n那而且雖然內政部三年前提出的這個工業代價管理條例裡面的修法草案包括我們這個電動裝設置前的這個用電安全公共意外保險的這個項目但現在到2025年了我們修法的速度實在是趕不上電動車補給的速度\n\n6\n00:01:44,583 --> 00:01:58,509\n所以才引發很多民眾的抱怨我們政府的動作太慢了行政院甚至宣布說我們2040年要新售的汽車要全面以全面電動化為目標這聽起來更像是天方夜譚\n\n7\n00:01:59,793 --> 00:02:27,986\n那根據我們今天各部會提出的報告裡面清楚的寫著依據我們行政院113年10月14日的會議結論經濟部為電動車經濟部是我們電動車充電充換電站的主管機關嘛那設置充電裝裝置還有涉及多個部會的這個主管法規那其中我們經濟部負責是電氣安全跟社會標準那交通部負責是我們電動車運具的管理還有充電\n\n8\n00:02:29,366 --> 00:02:54,725\n佔的這個配置的規劃跟體制上的管理那內政部我們這邊負責的是消防安全跟我們建築的這個管理那對於今天各部會的報告本身還是非常肯定狀況真的有在努力在前進但這個議題實在涉及多面向的法規還有專業的認定這真的需要跨部會各部會來合作來協力來解決才能夠有效的來完成這個任務那這邊我也具體的建議在跨部會的這個平均溝通\n\n9\n00:02:55,385 --> 00:03:20,868\n我們行政院的政委必須要發揮作用你要透過這部編組定時召開相關的會議開會來討論才能夠有效的推動這相關的政策不會各自馬車亂跑我想這樣才能夠滿足民眾的需求另外我想今天本席在探討我們整個充電樁的部分有一個跟台東有相關的議題本席想要先請教我們交通部的黃司長\n\n10\n00:03:23,632 --> 00:03:30,692\n市長如果你今天是一個電動車的駕駛你要開車帶著家人到外縣市玩首先你會做什麼功課\n\n11\n00:03:32,348 --> 00:04:01,368\n也許可能要先去了解說哪些地方會有充電樁的設置因為路途遙遠嘛,你也怕跌倒車半路車停的那個不是一同有可以解決的事情嗎所以沒錯我想要就是了解我們整個充電站的這個位置如果你在市區內移動在都會區要找到充電樁我想基本上沒有太大的問題但是如果你是跨縣市這樣長途的旅遊充電站的位置就必須要事先掌握嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:04:02,508 --> 00:04:25,507\n那我想尤其以我們東部來講你光是從台北開車到台東或者你起點從高雄開到台東都是一段非常長的旅程而且經過的很多是山路周邊是沒有充電設備的那再加上我們這個經過的觀光景點如果它的充電站又不足的話我想這個會影響到旅客到我們東部旅遊這個意願\n\n13\n00:04:27,458 --> 00:04:52,383\n那我根據這個那個AMPGO的這個統計數據來顯示在我們2024年9月為止我們全台總共有2962座的這個營運中的充電裝那跟去年同期相比大概去年大概是1664座那相比之下多出了1298座的這個充電站那我們年成長率大概到78%\n\n14\n00:04:54,212 --> 00:05:22,279\n那全國的現在全國的加油站大概是2500座左右換句話說我們現在全台灣擁有的充電站的這個數量已經超過了加油站了充電的比90%多不過變成現在是這樣子各縣市充電站的不均的情況還是非常嚴重像我們提到台東縣的情況我們台東縣的整個面積是3515平方公里那到去年9月我們機關跟民間的充電站總共有101\n\n15\n00:05:24,139 --> 00:05:51,081\n三千五八十五三千五百一十五平方公里只有一百零一座那雖然現在也在持續增加中但是比例還是不夠特別是台東現在的幅度南北從最南到最北就一百七十公里那這個電動這樣的距離在整個設置上其實是要更規劃更完整那我們台東縣去年我們電動車的這個掛牌數量跟去年相較增加百分之八十四所以電動車的數量是越來越多我想這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:53,983 --> 00:06:15,110\n為什麼我會提到這個問題因為這個問題不單單是針對台東縣民眾的使用問題它會影響到外地遊客來花東旅遊的這個意願因為我的戰術不是這麼多我既要滿足縣內的這些電動車使用者我要考慮到外縣市來台東旅遊的使用者所以這個解釋問題我同學政府也很用心\n\n17\n00:06:17,111 --> 00:06:36,384\n台中縣政府積極推動綠燈政策除了我們公務車、鈦換成綠燈車以外今年初台中市又增加了22強穩車充電樁並且推出充電5折優惠希望吸引更多人潮開車在台中玩的時候充電還可以優惠給你\n\n18\n00:06:37,265 --> 00:07:04,222\n那我們也希望台東縣能夠達到一個純電動車的城市這個目標就是希望能夠設置一千處結合觀光跟友善產業環境發展推動我們政府所推動這個節能減淡這個慢經濟那這就是我要幫台東縣來跟中央請命我們經典交通部表示說前瞻基礎建設計畫裡面這個公共充電樁的這個設置以及區域充電需求的評估計畫有這個計畫嗎\n\n19\n00:07:06,643 --> 00:07:32,523\n是編列多少錢跟委員報告我們是在12年到13年是編了9.8億那補助我們地方政府來做就是9.8億來補助地方政府做這樣的這事嘛對不對那我們台東縣這個依照我們這個縣政我們現在的這個中央的這個財力分級我們是四級到五級台東縣是屬於第五級就是PMT區的這個充電箱這個比例應該是會拉高嘛對不對\n\n20\n00:07:35,555 --> 00:07:44,864\n基本上我們也鎖定到有些偏遠地區像台東所以我們在去年的那個辦法裡面有增加如果是說屬於第四級第五級的偏遠鄉鎮的話我們會遣而補助的\n\n21\n00:07:48,012 --> 00:08:06,628\n謝謝市長那這邊就是跟市長說這麼多就是這邊有兩件事情我們務必請交通部務必來協助第一個就是我們要依照青山計畫的補助精神針對我們台東地區的觀光景點公共設施的這個充電站挹注更多的經費提升充電的量能\n\n22\n00:08:07,694 --> 00:08:35,781\n我們來促進我們整個環保跟觀光的旅遊也減少我們在地這個充電站的這個城鄉的差距那第二個我們要請經濟部跟交通部這邊共同來研議設置我們官方版這個全台電動車充電站的地圖讓民間業者來合作讓我們開電動車的民眾可以有疾可循減少我在旅遊上的這個充電的焦慮這件事情其實我們真的身邊有發現過就他在開車之前他會擔心說我這樣的電力跟距離夠不夠\n\n23\n00:08:37,161 --> 00:09:04,565\n這個是確實我想未來在整個長途旅遊上一定都會遇到問題那這兩個問題也希望以上的我們交通部還有經濟部來協助那可以來協助嗎事實上我們有一個平台就是交通部有一個叫運輸資源平台叫TDX其實它裡面也有揭露全台一些充電站的位置的靜態資料甚至有些是有動態資料也提供給民眾可以查詢的\n\n24\n00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:09,039\n好謝謝市長那也謝謝我們董事長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t15578\t剛才提到的問題喔各部位如果有自然難行的部分歡迎提追加如果凍結的部分有需要趕快新聞委員會就來解凍來做報告了齁那這邊我想再次回到今天的主題我們就要請內政部董事長還有交通部的黃市長市長市長是市長也等我一下交通部市長市長沒關係OK\n27420\t41945\t市長好市長好我想今天我們內政委會來討論的就是我們工藝大廈的這個設置電動車充電設施的議題那其實這件事情我想民眾已經反映很久了那根據統計我們截至到2024年年底\n42705\t68163\t全台灣純電動車的登記數已經將近10萬台現在可能已經突破10萬台了那現在市場部分國內純電動車在2024年的銷售也有3.8萬輛的這個電動車那年生大概是53.4%增加的速度非常快我想因此我們中央的法令跟政策也要跟上腳步那不過現在各縣市大概反映的問題\n69605\t84078\t就是我們社區的大樓充電樁的比例依然是很低主要原因還是住戶擔憂整個電動車引發的火災的問題我想之前跟消防署署長有聊過這件事情確實是一個比較複雜的火災現象\n88001\t103842\t那而且雖然內政部三年前提出的這個工業代價管理條例裡面的修法草案包括我們這個電動裝設置前的這個用電安全公共意外保險的這個項目但現在到2025年了我們修法的速度實在是趕不上電動車補給的速度\n104583\t118509\t所以才引發很多民眾的抱怨我們政府的動作太慢了行政院甚至宣布說我們2040年要新售的汽車要全面以全面電動化為目標這聽起來更像是天方夜譚\n119793\t147986\t那根據我們今天各部會提出的報告裡面清楚的寫著依據我們行政院113年10月14日的會議結論經濟部為電動車經濟部是我們電動車充電充換電站的主管機關嘛那設置充電裝裝置還有涉及多個部會的這個主管法規那其中我們經濟部負責是電氣安全跟社會標準那交通部負責是我們電動車運具的管理還有充電\n149366\t174725\t佔的這個配置的規劃跟體制上的管理那內政部我們這邊負責的是消防安全跟我們建築的這個管理那對於今天各部會的報告本身還是非常肯定狀況真的有在努力在前進但這個議題實在涉及多面向的法規還有專業的認定這真的需要跨部會各部會來合作來協力來解決才能夠有效的來完成這個任務那這邊我也具體的建議在跨部會的這個平均溝通\n175385\t200868\t我們行政院的政委必須要發揮作用你要透過這部編組定時召開相關的會議開會來討論才能夠有效的推動這相關的政策不會各自馬車亂跑我想這樣才能夠滿足民眾的需求另外我想今天本席在探討我們整個充電樁的部分有一個跟台東有相關的議題本席想要先請教我們交通部的黃司長\n203632\t210692\t市長如果你今天是一個電動車的駕駛你要開車帶著家人到外縣市玩首先你會做什麼功課\n212348\t241368\t也許可能要先去了解說哪些地方會有充電樁的設置因為路途遙遠嘛,你也怕跌倒車半路車停的那個不是一同有可以解決的事情嗎所以沒錯我想要就是了解我們整個充電站的這個位置如果你在市區內移動在都會區要找到充電樁我想基本上沒有太大的問題但是如果你是跨縣市這樣長途的旅遊充電站的位置就必須要事先掌握嘛對不對\n242508\t265507\t那我想尤其以我們東部來講你光是從台北開車到台東或者你起點從高雄開到台東都是一段非常長的旅程而且經過的很多是山路周邊是沒有充電設備的那再加上我們這個經過的觀光景點如果它的充電站又不足的話我想這個會影響到旅客到我們東部旅遊這個意願\n267458\t292383\t那我根據這個那個AMP GO的這個統計數據來顯示在我們2024年9月為止我們全台總共有2962座的這個營運中的充電裝那跟去年同期相比大概去年大概是1664座那相比之下多出了1298座的這個充電站那我們年成長率大概到78%\n294212\t322279\t那全國的現在全國的加油站大概是2500座左右換句話說我們現在全台灣擁有的充電站的這個數量已經超過了加油站了充電的比90%多不過變成現在是這樣子各縣市充電站的不均的情況還是非常嚴重像我們提到台東縣的情況我們台東縣的整個面積是3515平方公里那到去年9月我們機關跟民間的充電站總共有101\n324139\t351081\t三千五八十五三千五百一十五平方公里只有一百零一座那雖然現在也在持續增加中但是比例還是不夠特別是台東現在的幅度南北從最南到最北就一百七十公里那這個電動這樣的距離在整個設置上其實是要更規劃更完整那我們台東縣去年我們電動車的這個掛牌數量跟去年相較增加百分之八十四所以電動車的數量是越來越多我想這個問題\n353983\t375110\t為什麼我會提到這個問題因為這個問題不單單是針對台東縣民眾的使用問題它會影響到外地遊客來花東旅遊的這個意願因為我的戰術不是這麼多我既要滿足縣內的這些電動車使用者我要考慮到外縣市來台東旅遊的使用者所以這個解釋問題我同學政府也很用心\n377111\t396384\t台中縣政府積極推動綠燈政策除了我們公務車、鈦換成綠燈車以外今年初台中市又增加了22強穩車充電樁並且推出充電5折優惠希望吸引更多人潮開車在台中玩的時候充電還可以優惠給你\n397265\t424222\t那我們也希望台東縣能夠達到一個純電動車的城市這個目標就是希望能夠設置一千處結合觀光跟友善產業環境發展推動我們政府所推動這個節能減淡這個慢經濟那這就是我要幫台東縣來跟中央請命我們經典交通部表示說前瞻基礎建設計畫裡面這個公共充電樁的這個設置以及區域充電需求的評估計畫有這個計畫嗎\n426643\t452523\t是編列多少錢跟委員報告我們是在12年到13年是編了9.8億那補助我們地方政府來做就是9.8億來補助地方政府做這樣的這事嘛對不對那我們台東縣這個依照我們這個縣政我們現在的這個中央的這個財力分級我們是四級到五級台東縣是屬於第五級就是PMT區的這個充電箱這個比例應該是會拉高嘛對不對\n455555\t464864\t基本上我們也鎖定到有些偏遠地區像台東所以我們在去年的那個辦法裡面有增加如果是說屬於第四級第五級的偏遠鄉鎮的話我們會遣而補助的\n468012\t486628\t謝謝市長那這邊就是跟市長說這麼多就是這邊有兩件事情我們務必請交通部務必來協助第一個就是我們要依照青山計畫的補助精神針對我們台東地區的觀光景點公共設施的這個充電站挹注更多的經費提升充電的量能\n487694\t515781\t我們來促進我們整個環保跟觀光的旅遊也減少我們在地這個充電站的這個城鄉的差距那第二個我們要請經濟部跟交通部這邊共同來研議設置我們官方版這個全台電動車充電站的地圖讓民間業者來合作讓我們開電動車的民眾可以有疾可循減少我在旅遊上的這個充電的焦慮這件事情其實我們真的身邊有發現過就他在開車之前他會擔心說我這樣的電力跟距離夠不夠\n517161\t544565\t這個是確實我想未來在整個長途旅遊上一定都會遇到問題那這兩個問題也希望以上的我們交通部還有經濟部來協助那可以來協助嗎事實上我們有一個平台就是交通部有一個叫運輸資源平台叫TDX其實它裡面也有揭露全台一些充電站的位置的靜態資料甚至有些是有動態資料也提供給民眾可以查詢的\n546090\t549039\t好謝謝市長那也謝謝我們董事長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝委員好謝謝\n","txt":"剛才提到的問題喔各部位如果有自然難行的部分歡迎提追加如果凍結的部分有需要趕快新聞委員會就來解凍來做報告了齁那這邊我想再次回到今天的主題我們就要請內政部董事長還有交通部的黃市長市長市長是市長也等我一下交通部市長市長沒關係OK\n市長好市長好我想今天我們內政委會來討論的就是我們工藝大廈的這個設置電動車充電設施的議題那其實這件事情我想民眾已經反映很久了那根據統計我們截至到2024年年底\n全台灣純電動車的登記數已經將近10萬台現在可能已經突破10萬台了那現在市場部分國內純電動車在2024年的銷售也有3.8萬輛的這個電動車那年生大概是53.4%增加的速度非常快我想因此我們中央的法令跟政策也要跟上腳步那不過現在各縣市大概反映的問題\n就是我們社區的大樓充電樁的比例依然是很低主要原因還是住戶擔憂整個電動車引發的火災的問題我想之前跟消防署署長有聊過這件事情確實是一個比較複雜的火災現象\n那而且雖然內政部三年前提出的這個工業代價管理條例裡面的修法草案包括我們這個電動裝設置前的這個用電安全公共意外保險的這個項目但現在到2025年了我們修法的速度實在是趕不上電動車補給的速度\n所以才引發很多民眾的抱怨我們政府的動作太慢了行政院甚至宣布說我們2040年要新售的汽車要全面以全面電動化為目標這聽起來更像是天方夜譚\n那根據我們今天各部會提出的報告裡面清楚的寫著依據我們行政院113年10月14日的會議結論經濟部為電動車經濟部是我們電動車充電充換電站的主管機關嘛那設置充電裝裝置還有涉及多個部會的這個主管法規那其中我們經濟部負責是電氣安全跟社會標準那交通部負責是我們電動車運具的管理還有充電\n佔的這個配置的規劃跟體制上的管理那內政部我們這邊負責的是消防安全跟我們建築的這個管理那對於今天各部會的報告本身還是非常肯定狀況真的有在努力在前進但這個議題實在涉及多面向的法規還有專業的認定這真的需要跨部會各部會來合作來協力來解決才能夠有效的來完成這個任務那這邊我也具體的建議在跨部會的這個平均溝通\n我們行政院的政委必須要發揮作用你要透過這部編組定時召開相關的會議開會來討論才能夠有效的推動這相關的政策不會各自馬車亂跑我想這樣才能夠滿足民眾的需求另外我想今天本席在探討我們整個充電樁的部分有一個跟台東有相關的議題本席想要先請教我們交通部的黃司長\n市長如果你今天是一個電動車的駕駛你要開車帶著家人到外縣市玩首先你會做什麼功課\n也許可能要先去了解說哪些地方會有充電樁的設置因為路途遙遠嘛,你也怕跌倒車半路車停的那個不是一同有可以解決的事情嗎所以沒錯我想要就是了解我們整個充電站的這個位置如果你在市區內移動在都會區要找到充電樁我想基本上沒有太大的問題但是如果你是跨縣市這樣長途的旅遊充電站的位置就必須要事先掌握嘛對不對\n那我想尤其以我們東部來講你光是從台北開車到台東或者你起點從高雄開到台東都是一段非常長的旅程而且經過的很多是山路周邊是沒有充電設備的那再加上我們這個經過的觀光景點如果它的充電站又不足的話我想這個會影響到旅客到我們東部旅遊這個意願\n那我根據這個那個AMP GO的這個統計數據來顯示在我們2024年9月為止我們全台總共有2962座的這個營運中的充電裝那跟去年同期相比大概去年大概是1664座那相比之下多出了1298座的這個充電站那我們年成長率大概到78%\n那全國的現在全國的加油站大概是2500座左右換句話說我們現在全台灣擁有的充電站的這個數量已經超過了加油站了充電的比90%多不過變成現在是這樣子各縣市充電站的不均的情況還是非常嚴重像我們提到台東縣的情況我們台東縣的整個面積是3515平方公里那到去年9月我們機關跟民間的充電站總共有101\n三千五八十五三千五百一十五平方公里只有一百零一座那雖然現在也在持續增加中但是比例還是不夠特別是台東現在的幅度南北從最南到最北就一百七十公里那這個電動這樣的距離在整個設置上其實是要更規劃更完整那我們台東縣去年我們電動車的這個掛牌數量跟去年相較增加百分之八十四所以電動車的數量是越來越多我想這個問題\n為什麼我會提到這個問題因為這個問題不單單是針對台東縣民眾的使用問題它會影響到外地遊客來花東旅遊的這個意願因為我的戰術不是這麼多我既要滿足縣內的這些電動車使用者我要考慮到外縣市來台東旅遊的使用者所以這個解釋問題我同學政府也很用心\n台中縣政府積極推動綠燈政策除了我們公務車、鈦換成綠燈車以外今年初台中市又增加了22強穩車充電樁並且推出充電5折優惠希望吸引更多人潮開車在台中玩的時候充電還可以優惠給你\n那我們也希望台東縣能夠達到一個純電動車的城市這個目標就是希望能夠設置一千處結合觀光跟友善產業環境發展推動我們政府所推動這個節能減淡這個慢經濟那這就是我要幫台東縣來跟中央請命我們經典交通部表示說前瞻基礎建設計畫裡面這個公共充電樁的這個設置以及區域充電需求的評估計畫有這個計畫嗎\n是編列多少錢跟委員報告我們是在12年到13年是編了9.8億那補助我們地方政府來做就是9.8億來補助地方政府做這樣的這事嘛對不對那我們台東縣這個依照我們這個縣政我們現在的這個中央的這個財力分級我們是四級到五級台東縣是屬於第五級就是PMT區的這個充電箱這個比例應該是會拉高嘛對不對\n基本上我們也鎖定到有些偏遠地區像台東所以我們在去年的那個辦法裡面有增加如果是說屬於第四級第五級的偏遠鄉鎮的話我們會遣而補助的\n謝謝市長那這邊就是跟市長說這麼多就是這邊有兩件事情我們務必請交通部務必來協助第一個就是我們要依照青山計畫的補助精神針對我們台東地區的觀光景點公共設施的這個充電站挹注更多的經費提升充電的量能\n我們來促進我們整個環保跟觀光的旅遊也減少我們在地這個充電站的這個城鄉的差距那第二個我們要請經濟部跟交通部這邊共同來研議設置我們官方版這個全台電動車充電站的地圖讓民間業者來合作讓我們開電動車的民眾可以有疾可循減少我在旅遊上的這個充電的焦慮這件事情其實我們真的身邊有發現過就他在開車之前他會擔心說我這樣的電力跟距離夠不夠\n這個是確實我想未來在整個長途旅遊上一定都會遇到問題那這兩個問題也希望以上的我們交通部還有經濟部來協助那可以來協助嗎事實上我們有一個平台就是交通部有一個叫運輸資源平台叫TDX其實它裡面也有揭露全台一些充電站的位置的靜態資料甚至有些是有動態資料也提供給民眾可以查詢的\n好謝謝市長那也謝謝我們董事長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝委員好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:15.578\n剛才提到的問題喔各部位如果有自然難行的部分歡迎提追加如果凍結的部分有需要趕快新聞委員會就來解凍來做報告了齁那這邊我想再次回到今天的主題我們就要請內政部董事長還有交通部的黃市長市長市長是市長也等我一下交通部市長市長沒關係OK\n\n00:27.420 --> 00:41.945\n市長好市長好我想今天我們內政委會來討論的就是我們工藝大廈的這個設置電動車充電設施的議題那其實這件事情我想民眾已經反映很久了那根據統計我們截至到2024年年底\n\n00:42.705 --> 01:08.163\n全台灣純電動車的登記數已經將近10萬台現在可能已經突破10萬台了那現在市場部分國內純電動車在2024年的銷售也有3.8萬輛的這個電動車那年生大概是53.4%增加的速度非常快我想因此我們中央的法令跟政策也要跟上腳步那不過現在各縣市大概反映的問題\n\n01:09.605 --> 01:24.078\n就是我們社區的大樓充電樁的比例依然是很低主要原因還是住戶擔憂整個電動車引發的火災的問題我想之前跟消防署署長有聊過這件事情確實是一個比較複雜的火災現象\n\n01:28.001 --> 01:43.842\n那而且雖然內政部三年前提出的這個工業代價管理條例裡面的修法草案包括我們這個電動裝設置前的這個用電安全公共意外保險的這個項目但現在到2025年了我們修法的速度實在是趕不上電動車補給的速度\n\n01:44.583 --> 01:58.509\n所以才引發很多民眾的抱怨我們政府的動作太慢了行政院甚至宣布說我們2040年要新售的汽車要全面以全面電動化為目標這聽起來更像是天方夜譚\n\n01:59.793 --> 02:27.986\n那根據我們今天各部會提出的報告裡面清楚的寫著依據我們行政院113年10月14日的會議結論經濟部為電動車經濟部是我們電動車充電充換電站的主管機關嘛那設置充電裝裝置還有涉及多個部會的這個主管法規那其中我們經濟部負責是電氣安全跟社會標準那交通部負責是我們電動車運具的管理還有充電\n\n02:29.366 --> 02:54.725\n佔的這個配置的規劃跟體制上的管理那內政部我們這邊負責的是消防安全跟我們建築的這個管理那對於今天各部會的報告本身還是非常肯定狀況真的有在努力在前進但這個議題實在涉及多面向的法規還有專業的認定這真的需要跨部會各部會來合作來協力來解決才能夠有效的來完成這個任務那這邊我也具體的建議在跨部會的這個平均溝通\n\n02:55.385 --> 03:20.868\n我們行政院的政委必須要發揮作用你要透過這部編組定時召開相關的會議開會來討論才能夠有效的推動這相關的政策不會各自馬車亂跑我想這樣才能夠滿足民眾的需求另外我想今天本席在探討我們整個充電樁的部分有一個跟台東有相關的議題本席想要先請教我們交通部的黃司長\n\n03:23.632 --> 03:30.692\n市長如果你今天是一個電動車的駕駛你要開車帶著家人到外縣市玩首先你會做什麼功課\n\n03:32.348 --> 04:01.368\n也許可能要先去了解說哪些地方會有充電樁的設置因為路途遙遠嘛,你也怕跌倒車半路車停的那個不是一同有可以解決的事情嗎所以沒錯我想要就是了解我們整個充電站的這個位置如果你在市區內移動在都會區要找到充電樁我想基本上沒有太大的問題但是如果你是跨縣市這樣長途的旅遊充電站的位置就必須要事先掌握嘛對不對\n\n04:02.508 --> 04:25.507\n那我想尤其以我們東部來講你光是從台北開車到台東或者你起點從高雄開到台東都是一段非常長的旅程而且經過的很多是山路周邊是沒有充電設備的那再加上我們這個經過的觀光景點如果它的充電站又不足的話我想這個會影響到旅客到我們東部旅遊這個意願\n\n04:27.458 --> 04:52.383\n那我根據這個那個AMPGO的這個統計數據來顯示在我們2024年9月為止我們全台總共有2962座的這個營運中的充電裝那跟去年同期相比大概去年大概是1664座那相比之下多出了1298座的這個充電站那我們年成長率大概到78%\n\n04:54.212 --> 05:22.279\n那全國的現在全國的加油站大概是2500座左右換句話說我們現在全台灣擁有的充電站的這個數量已經超過了加油站了充電的比90%多不過變成現在是這樣子各縣市充電站的不均的情況還是非常嚴重像我們提到台東縣的情況我們台東縣的整個面積是3515平方公里那到去年9月我們機關跟民間的充電站總共有101\n\n05:24.139 --> 05:51.081\n三千五八十五三千五百一十五平方公里只有一百零一座那雖然現在也在持續增加中但是比例還是不夠特別是台東現在的幅度南北從最南到最北就一百七十公里那這個電動這樣的距離在整個設置上其實是要更規劃更完整那我們台東縣去年我們電動車的這個掛牌數量跟去年相較增加百分之八十四所以電動車的數量是越來越多我想這個問題\n\n05:53.983 --> 06:15.110\n為什麼我會提到這個問題因為這個問題不單單是針對台東縣民眾的使用問題它會影響到外地遊客來花東旅遊的這個意願因為我的戰術不是這麼多我既要滿足縣內的這些電動車使用者我要考慮到外縣市來台東旅遊的使用者所以這個解釋問題我同學政府也很用心\n\n06:17.111 --> 06:36.384\n台中縣政府積極推動綠燈政策除了我們公務車、鈦換成綠燈車以外今年初台中市又增加了22強穩車充電樁並且推出充電5折優惠希望吸引更多人潮開車在台中玩的時候充電還可以優惠給你\n\n06:37.265 --> 07:04.222\n那我們也希望台東縣能夠達到一個純電動車的城市這個目標就是希望能夠設置一千處結合觀光跟友善產業環境發展推動我們政府所推動這個節能減淡這個慢經濟那這就是我要幫台東縣來跟中央請命我們經典交通部表示說前瞻基礎建設計畫裡面這個公共充電樁的這個設置以及區域充電需求的評估計畫有這個計畫嗎\n\n07:06.643 --> 07:32.523\n是編列多少錢跟委員報告我們是在12年到13年是編了9.8億那補助我們地方政府來做就是9.8億來補助地方政府做這樣的這事嘛對不對那我們台東縣這個依照我們這個縣政我們現在的這個中央的這個財力分級我們是四級到五級台東縣是屬於第五級就是PMT區的這個充電箱這個比例應該是會拉高嘛對不對\n\n07:35.555 --> 07:44.864\n基本上我們也鎖定到有些偏遠地區像台東所以我們在去年的那個辦法裡面有增加如果是說屬於第四級第五級的偏遠鄉鎮的話我們會遣而補助的\n\n07:48.012 --> 08:06.628\n謝謝市長那這邊就是跟市長說這麼多就是這邊有兩件事情我們務必請交通部務必來協助第一個就是我們要依照青山計畫的補助精神針對我們台東地區的觀光景點公共設施的這個充電站挹注更多的經費提升充電的量能\n\n08:07.694 --> 08:35.781\n我們來促進我們整個環保跟觀光的旅遊也減少我們在地這個充電站的這個城鄉的差距那第二個我們要請經濟部跟交通部這邊共同來研議設置我們官方版這個全台電動車充電站的地圖讓民間業者來合作讓我們開電動車的民眾可以有疾可循減少我在旅遊上的這個充電的焦慮這件事情其實我們真的身邊有發現過就他在開車之前他會擔心說我這樣的電力跟距離夠不夠\n\n08:37.161 --> 09:04.565\n這個是確實我想未來在整個長途旅遊上一定都會遇到問題那這兩個問題也希望以上的我們交通部還有經濟部來協助那可以來協助嗎事實上我們有一個平台就是交通部有一個叫運輸資源平台叫TDX其實它裡面也有揭露全台一些充電站的位置的靜態資料甚至有些是有動態資料也提供給民眾可以查詢的\n\n09:06.090 --> 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