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00:02:35,532\n因為現在大家針對於電動車它是普及淨零碳排的一個原理會越來越多人接受這樣的一個方式所以本席要請教我們請台電也一併上來本席要請教實務上許多的社區電力設備老舊變壓器的容量根本不足\n\n8\n00:02:36,607 --> 00:02:43,983\n所以導致自然難行郭總他是專家他是非常專業的所以我請教郭總工程師\n\n9\n00:02:45,046 --> 00:03:00,154\n目前我們全國有多少社區因為電力負載問題而被拒絕來申請有莫端在你那裡請教目前大概一般的用戶來申請我們都會同意至於說有輸電網有些困難的部分我們會等到輸電網擴建完畢就會同意\n\n10\n00:03:09,139 --> 00:03:25,334\n你委婉的這麼說我們次長在這邊也就是老舊的部分的確他的電網沒有辦法如此老舊的部分沒有辦法如此去應對當然申請台電必須要受理但是完成率偏低\n\n11\n00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:40,813\n原因剛才說的很清楚他的電網負載根本沒有辦法所以導致目前的這個狀況也就是他對於穩定性造成他因為是一個高功率的一個頻率所以他根本沒有辦法負載\n\n12\n00:03:41,914 --> 00:04:03,964\n那我們在制定這樣子的一個政策的時候我們這一方面到底你要怎麼樣去考量尤其如果大家集中統一時間的時候那這個壓力會更大會更大也就是集中在特定時間共同一起來使用的時候那這個壓力更大所以本期要請教郭總\n\n13\n00:04:04,904 --> 00:04:31,048\n台電目前對於我們整個社區內部電力擴充的資源措施你們又怎麼樣建議給我們內政部跟委員報告說我們期待這個大樓如果設置充電裝的話可以由管委會統一申請一個專用的戶然後配合EMS我們有專用的充電的一個設備然後加上一個專用的\n\n14\n00:04:32,469 --> 00:04:50,360\n這個電費的費率等等那加上EMS我想這個部分對社區的公共安全或是對整個電網都有很大的幫忙現在郭總所提出的解決方案到目前為止還是很多的自愛難行你叫他統一一個電表他累計電費當然他不同意\n\n15\n00:04:51,616 --> 00:05:13,428\n當然他不同意我管委會每個人的付出會更多所以在這樣的情況之下我還是希望本席希望內政部你這邊必須要去整合相關的單位必須要去整合相關的單位讓我們的民眾可以有所依歸而且做得來而不是一個政策丟下去讓我們這麼的無所適從\n\n16\n00:05:16,669 --> 00:05:40,230\n是謝謝委員的指教剛才所談的有關於電容的部分跟電表的部分我們也會在公益大廈管理條例一併討論一併討論那你們多久時間會討論出來我們剛才談到三個月內也是在這個三個月內所以請大家先不要緊張因為處處是困難三個月內我們等你那接下來我要請教一個金管會保險司今天陳副也在這邊\n\n17\n00:05:42,129 --> 00:05:52,175\n現在市長你聽喔電動車的充電線它是保誰它是保它個人的那一台車是不是啊那個那個\n\n18\n00:05:55,552 --> 00:06:18,646\n跟委員報告那個充電樁保險的部分基本上就是說他保障被保險人就是保障他那輛車沒錯保障他那輛車嘛所以市長你再注意聽本席提出喔也就是他有自己保險社區開始會要求這樣的車輛你要自己保險但是還是會有人有意見\n\n19\n00:06:19,755 --> 00:06:36,771\n因為很多的社區它呢萬一發生事情是大家都會危害到所以在整個保險方面我們要面面俱到是不是有空間去提出更完善的社區電動車充電風險保險讓我們的這個管委會住戶他都能夠獲得到合理的一個保障\n\n20\n00:06:43,738 --> 00:07:00,247\n要不然你目前只有保胎那一台車那我旁邊波及到的人我怎麼辦啊當然大家不願意啊市長你跟委員報告一下就是說如果是屬於專有部分專有就是個人那個\n\n21\n00:07:01,668 --> 00:07:23,886\n車主他自己專屬車位的部分是屬於他專屬權的部分當然是因為他的車子他後面有充電樁依照你的契約而走嘛就是他本人嘛那如果發生事故可以保障他車子的財產損失那如果因為發生火災可能會波及其他車輛對不對也可以獲得理賠但是如果是在整個管理委員會\n\n22\n00:07:26,109 --> 00:07:49,697\n那個屬於公共共有的部分那這個部分如果說有這樣的一個部分是可以那個大義公益大廈管理委員會的那個管理委員會去做一個搖保人去做投保人這個是兩碼事嘛所以市長光我們一個政策下去保險在我們工領域到底要怎麼處理你們必須要去盤點讓我們區分\n\n23\n00:07:53,358 --> 00:08:13,831\n會呢他也能夠放心的來做服務跟管理讓我們的住戶也都能夠安心啊這個是必須要各方面面面俱到的跟委員報告我們在公益大廈管理條例的修正草案裡面我們希望能夠提出說包括設置前的那個用電評估安全評估包括說投保公共意外責任線\n\n24\n00:08:14,651 --> 00:08:27,022\n那包括降低那個臨時區分選會的召開的門檻然後我們也增訂罰則等等這些我們都會在未來進一步的加速來討論就是說剛才委員所關切的其實就是所以我們點出了問題你們也在研議因為民眾的目前的生活已經蠻辛苦了是\n\n25\n00:08:34,288 --> 00:08:51,844\n所以要怎麼樣協助民眾在安全的範圍內能夠得到保障這個是他們務必要讓他們放心的所以我也希望您剛才所說的時間點能夠去提出我們繼續好好的討論好謝謝委員謝謝委員指教好謝謝楊瓊英委員因為現在時間到了中午當然我們就一鼓作氣吧所以我們今天中午不休息我們繼續開會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3303\t5936\t謝謝主席 邀請市長董事長有請\n12083\t24507\t市長我們針對於今天的議題 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供大家設置充電樁成為大家非常關心的一個重要議題那你在2019年5月29號修正建築技術規則建築設計施工篇那又規定在2019年的7月1號起開始來做申請的這個事項\n所以本席要請教針對於公寓大廈管理條例安裝充電設備需經過管委會或者是區分所有權人會議同意但是你也看到你也了解到現在目前部分的社區因為少數住戶反對導致目前安裝為了面臨住戶的權利跟管委會的一個審核讓他們去衝突\n你頻頻的點頭也代表著你認為這個問題在政府規劃出的一個配套根本沒有完善所以本需要首先請教針對於你具體的對策還有你充電的設施你要怎麼樣去協助他們能夠區分所有權人以及住戶他們能夠達到有共識呢\n那你什麼時候要完善你現在所說的呢現在已經造成了很多的糾紛\n對 我們的法規 消防法規的部分我們目前已經有部分已經公佈了有部分我們現在正在研擬當中那麼我們會在三個月內之內將這些法規都處理完三個月內將這些法規來研擬清楚好 這第一個第二個本事要請教電力負載的這個問題\n因為現在大家針對於電動車它是普及淨零碳排的一個原理會越來越多人接受這樣的一個方式所以本席要請教我們請台電也一併上來本席要請教實務上許多的社區電力設備老舊變壓器的容量根本不足\n所以導致自然難行郭總他是專家他是非常專業的所以我請教郭總工程師\n目前我們全國有多少社區因為電力負載問題而被拒絕來申請有莫端在你那裡請教目前大概一般的用戶來申請我們都會同意至於說有輸電網有些困難的部分我們會等到輸電網擴建完畢就會同意\n你委婉的這麼說 我們次長在這邊也就是老舊的部分的確他的電網沒有辦法如此老舊的部分沒有辦法如此去應對當然申請台電必須要受理但是完成率偏低\n原因剛才說的很清楚他的電網負載根本沒有辦法所以導致目前的這個狀況也就是他對於穩定性造成他因為是一個高功率的一個頻率所以他根本沒有辦法負載\n那我們在制定這樣子的一個政策的時候我們這一方面到底你要怎麼樣去考量尤其如果大家集中統一時間的時候那這個壓力會更大會更大也就是集中在特定時間共同一起來使用的時候那這個壓力更大所以本期要請教郭總\n台電目前對於我們整個社區內部電力擴充的資源措施你們又怎麼樣建議給我們內政部跟委員報告說我們期待這個大樓如果設置充電裝的話可以由管委會統一申請一個專用的戶然後配合EMS我們有專用的充電的一個設備然後加上一個專用的\n這個電費的費率等等那加上EMS我想這個部分對社區的公共安全或是對整個電網都有很大的幫忙現在郭總所提出的解決方案到目前為止還是很多的自愛難行你叫他統一一個電表他累計電費當然他不同意\n當然他不同意我管委會每個人的付出會更多所以在這樣的情況之下我還是希望本席希望內政部你這邊必須要去整合相關的單位必須要去整合相關的單位讓我們的民眾可以有所依歸而且做得來而不是一個政策丟下去讓我們這麼的無所適從\n是謝謝委員的指教剛才所談的有關於電容的部分跟電表的部分我們也會在公益大廈管理條例一併討論一併討論那你們多久時間會討論出來我們剛才談到三個月內也是在這個三個月內所以請大家先不要緊張因為處處是困難三個月內我們等你那接下來我要請教一個金管會保險司今天陳副也在這邊\n現在 市長 你聽喔電動車的充電線 它是保誰它是保它個人的那一台車 是不是啊那個 那個\n跟委員報告那個充電樁保險的部分基本上就是說他保障被保險人就是保障他那輛車沒錯保障他那輛車嘛所以市長你再注意聽本席提出喔也就是他有自己保險社區開始會要求這樣的車輛你要自己保險但是還是會有人有意見\n因為很多的社區它呢萬一發生事情是大家都會危害到所以在整個保險方面我們要面面俱到是不是有空間去提出更完善的社區電動車充電風險保險讓我們的這個管委會住戶他都能夠獲得到合理的一個保障\n要不然你目前只有保胎那一台車那我旁邊波及到的人我怎麼辦啊當然大家不願意啊市長你跟委員報告一下就是說如果是屬於專有部分專有就是個人那個\n車主他自己專屬車位的部分是屬於他專屬權的部分當然是因為他的車子他後面有充電樁依照你的契約而走嘛就是他本人嘛那如果發生事故可以保障他車子的財產損失那如果因為發生火災可能會波及其他車輛對不對也可以獲得理賠但是如果是在整個管理委員會\n那個屬於公共共有的部分那這個部分如果說有這樣的一個部分是可以那個大義公益大廈管理委員會的那個管理委員會去做一個搖保人去做投保人這個是兩碼事嘛所以市長光我們一個政策下去保險在我們工領域到底要怎麼處理你們必須要去盤點讓我們區分\n會呢他也能夠放心的來做服務跟管理讓我們的住戶也都能夠安心啊這個是必須要各方面面面俱到的跟委員報告我們在公益大廈管理條例的修正草案裡面我們希望能夠提出說包括設置前的那個用電評估安全評估包括說投保公共意外責任線\n那包括降低那個臨時區分選會的召開的門檻然後我們也增訂罰則等等這些我們都會在未來進一步的加速來討論就是說剛才委員所關切的其實就是所以我們點出了問題你們也在研議因為民眾的目前的生活已經蠻辛苦了是\n所以要怎麼樣協助民眾在安全的範圍內能夠得到保障這個是他們務必要讓他們放心的所以我也希望您剛才所說的時間點能夠去提出我們繼續好好的討論好 謝謝委員 謝謝委員指教好 謝謝楊瓊英委員因為現在時間到了中午 當然我們就一鼓作氣吧所以我們今天中午不休息 我們繼續開會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.303 --> 00:05.936\n謝謝主席邀請市長董事長有請\n\n00:12.083 --> 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