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00:00:42,565\n分成幾個部分啦就簡單先回答我就好就是我們有在努力發展產業我知道努力就如果說是土匪猛進跟發展牛部你覺得目前我們的一個現況上我們是屬於哪一種\n\n3\n00:00:43,824 --> 00:01:02,654\n委員是說如果是土會猛進跟發展流步啊緩慢就是在也沒有真的緩慢但是我們可以更快應該這樣說好沒關係那本席還是要提到這個今年度跟去年度的這個預算來講的話那在速發部總共增加多少\n\n4\n00:01:03,414 --> 00:01:11,088\n我們去年通過的預算是71億對那今年今年目前因為這個是不是15億5000萬剩下51億他是不是增加15億5000萬沒有沒有是減少20億\n\n5\n00:01:17,379 --> 00:01:42,902\n昨天那一種資訊的時候其實那時候增加是15億5000萬但是我直接坦白講啦任何事情來講不要都推給藍白山預算因為在很多事情的預算的一個使用跟經費的使用上還有本席要提到還有不一定要隨著這個而起舞反而是許多事情來講我相信不管是國民黨委員民眾黨委員其實在許多的預算上還是會支持速發部\n\n6\n00:01:43,782 --> 00:02:04,079\n但是我坦白說很多的成果啊還是要能夠讓大家能夠來去檢視檢驗那我當然是也樂於那部長到時候你們再提出追加那許多合理的部分可以的部分我們當然也是會支持那至於說許多的一些部分我還是要提到\n\n7\n00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:29,225\n那在現在來講的話很多的過去在總預算來講三兆兩千多億那這次的話通過了也是兩兆九千多億其實整體的這個預算上來講是比以往都還要多啦那其實包含抒發包含很多部會報告委員我覺得您的數字就是\n\n8\n00:02:29,765 --> 00:02:55,949\n我坦白講這次總預算通過的話是兩昭九成多億也沒錯我是說樹花部去年是71億今年是51億我們是減少21億我們並沒有增加所以我們不知道16億增加是哪邊來的但是我們一部二署就是51億那去年一部二署是71億所以我們是工作增加但是呢錢變少這是我們最大困難而且出國經費全刪這個是我們最大困難\n\n9\n00:02:56,489 --> 00:03:16,898\n這個我坦白講國際會議上的一個呈現啦那其實回頭來講還是要讓社會各界能夠檢驗那有些是山有些是凍結但是整體的預算增加那以及包括在昨天的這個許多的質詢過程中其實各部會議也確實也有承認許多預算增加但是沒關係啊那這個議題的話大家各說各話\n\n10\n00:03:18,038 --> 00:03:38,079\n那回頭來講我們還是很樂於見到預算的追加還有你們的提出那我相信只要是合理有成果的我們一樣是很樂見其成那同樣的還是要回歸到剛才的一個議題就在於目前來講前面許多委員包括邱若驊委員黃江豪委員還有廖先生委員大家提到的這個AI的發展\n\n11\n00:03:40,521 --> 00:04:04,697\n那剛剛有提到包括像是這個公文系統的部分我們就看到了在目前來講許多機關的一個公文系統在應用上來講其實是各自為政那所以格式混亂那我想問一下在這個應用上來講以及速發部的一個整合上當然說現在我們看到PTT大家是都算是比較推崇新北市政府它的一個系統那要如何整合那個\n\n12\n00:04:07,308 --> 00:04:14,913\n的確現在政府的公務系統有好幾個系統那這個整合的就是說這個是不是請肅政司這邊說明一下\n\n13\n00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:38,134\n根委員報告因為我們這個每個機關它有自己的公文系統但是整個在交換的時候或是說是整個底層的那個部分的話現在是由那個檔案管理局在負責那在下一期的一個社會政府計畫裡面它也有提出要用AI的方式來做一個這個公文系統的一個模組讓各機關可以來做一個應用\n\n14\n00:04:38,914 --> 00:05:08,086\n好OK那也希望說能夠持續來加快的整合因為目前來講不只是要電子化那甚至雲端我相信部長其實是這領域的專業也希望說看到實際上能夠共享運用甚至格式上還能夠更為便利那以及剛才有提到的在AI的一個應用上那當然不管是Deep-seek或是目前在機關的使用但是在民間在一般的中小企業或是老百姓的這種使用上\n\n15\n00:05:08,926 --> 00:05:28,468\n的確實是推廣不足那如何讓大家能夠熟悉或是善用那我想請問一下目前在速發部有沒有相關的一個考照或培訓甚至是認證以及競賽的規劃我們有那個就是人才培育跟這個系統培育人才有幾種一種就是使用AI的人才\n\n16\n00:05:28,948 --> 00:05:50,969\n那種是那個就是研發AI人才跟研發應用的人才那這個東西我們都有在培育那當然就是說這個這個也會也是因為經費的關係所以我們培育的數目大概今年就是幾千人那當然我們是會再持續的去在這人才在做更多的能夠能夠人才真的很重要但是\n\n17\n00:05:52,310 --> 00:06:17,313\n就是目前的確會因為經費的受限我相信這個AI的發展它不是今年而已而且今年的總預算在昨天的話才又做這個行政院送出這個復一案所以說在去年前年大前年更是更之前的話其實本來就有充足的預算還持續在發展這個產業所以我會建議說不一定要任何事情都在扯到這個預算因為我坦白講我們希望的持續看到成效\n\n18\n00:06:17,873 --> 00:06:44,545\n我相信成效如果夠好的話我相信國民黨的委員會更加大力支持但沒關係那我想直接接著問在AI的應用啊其實目前來講的話也希望說能夠再藉由這個課綱的調整能夠實際上來導入在我們小朋友的一個學習身上那在現在的這個課綱以及導入AI的學習那我想請問一下目前速發部以及跟教育部在溝通上還有目前的進度如何\n\n19\n00:06:46,777 --> 00:07:11,818\n這個課綱方面那個是不是請因為這個我們跟教育部沒關係可以請謝謝委員關心這個議題那我們現在跟教育部有合作把AI雜耕到這個高中生所以我們有跟他們有這方面的合作但是還沒有到國小那些課綱那個這部分還沒有不過有雜耕到高中生\n\n20\n00:07:12,518 --> 00:07:27,531\n但是我說目前高中生的部分是有相關的一個教材有導入AI的一個知識或是教育不是教材我們會我們有一些是線上學習的課程那我們也會帶他們去國際大廠裡面去做觀摩好那沒關係因為時間是有限的那我同樣的\n\n21\n00:07:28,371 --> 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其實成為一個政治議題但是我相信國民黨以及民眾黨的角度總是希望能夠勘緊荷包那當然合理的部分在凍結案的時候到時候解凍盡量送的話我們拿出成效的話一定會全力的支持因為我們看到過去的這個以前馬英九執政時期馬總執政時期總預算其實才一兆九千多\n那現在的話通過是有史以來兩兆九千多但是在這過程中我還是肯定我們部長跟速發部積極能夠推動AI產業設施打造的一個目標跟企圖心那所以說在這裡還是期待未來來講的話我們速發部能夠針對將AI人才現在各國在搶還把許多人才能夠引進來台灣來持續努力謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.185 --> 00:26.140\n謝謝主席那就有請部長請部長部長好部長好那想說也許剛才許多委員在提到這個AI產業的發展應用那我想請教一下部長在目前你看台灣我們在AI的產業發展是突飛猛進還是發展鈕固\n\n00:29.676 --> 00:42.565\n分成幾個部分啦就簡單先回答我就好就是我們有在努力發展產業我知道努力就如果說是土匪猛進跟發展牛部你覺得目前我們的一個現況上我們是屬於哪一種\n\n00:43.824 --> 01:02.654\n委員是說如果是土會猛進跟發展流步啊緩慢就是在也沒有真的緩慢但是我們可以更快應該這樣說好沒關係那本席還是要提到這個今年度跟去年度的這個預算來講的話那在速發部總共增加多少\n\n01:03.414 --> 01:11.088\n我們去年通過的預算是71億對那今年今年目前因為這個是不是15億5000萬剩下51億他是不是增加15億5000萬沒有沒有是減少20億\n\n01:17.379 --> 01:42.902\n昨天那一種資訊的時候其實那時候增加是15億5000萬但是我直接坦白講啦任何事情來講不要都推給藍白山預算因為在很多事情的預算的一個使用跟經費的使用上還有本席要提到還有不一定要隨著這個而起舞反而是許多事情來講我相信不管是國民黨委員民眾黨委員其實在許多的預算上還是會支持速發部\n\n01:43.782 --> 02:04.079\n但是我坦白說很多的成果啊還是要能夠讓大家能夠來去檢視檢驗那我當然是也樂於那部長到時候你們再提出追加那許多合理的部分可以的部分我們當然也是會支持那至於說許多的一些部分我還是要提到\n\n02:05.080 --> 02:29.225\n那在現在來講的話很多的過去在總預算來講三兆兩千多億那這次的話通過了也是兩兆九千多億其實整體的這個預算上來講是比以往都還要多啦那其實包含抒發包含很多部會報告委員我覺得您的數字就是\n\n02:29.765 --> 02:55.949\n我坦白講這次總預算通過的話是兩昭九成多億也沒錯我是說樹花部去年是71億今年是51億我們是減少21億我們並沒有增加所以我們不知道16億增加是哪邊來的但是我們一部二署就是51億那去年一部二署是71億所以我們是工作增加但是呢錢變少這是我們最大困難而且出國經費全刪這個是我們最大困難\n\n02:56.489 --> 03:16.898\n這個我坦白講國際會議上的一個呈現啦那其實回頭來講還是要讓社會各界能夠檢驗那有些是山有些是凍結但是整體的預算增加那以及包括在昨天的這個許多的質詢過程中其實各部會議也確實也有承認許多預算增加但是沒關係啊那這個議題的話大家各說各話\n\n03:18.038 --> 03:38.079\n那回頭來講我們還是很樂於見到預算的追加還有你們的提出那我相信只要是合理有成果的我們一樣是很樂見其成那同樣的還是要回歸到剛才的一個議題就在於目前來講前面許多委員包括邱若驊委員黃江豪委員還有廖先生委員大家提到的這個AI的發展\n\n03:40.521 --> 04:04.697\n那剛剛有提到包括像是這個公文系統的部分我們就看到了在目前來講許多機關的一個公文系統在應用上來講其實是各自為政那所以格式混亂那我想問一下在這個應用上來講以及速發部的一個整合上當然說現在我們看到PTT大家是都算是比較推崇新北市政府它的一個系統那要如何整合那個\n\n04:07.308 --> 04:14.913\n的確現在政府的公務系統有好幾個系統那這個整合的就是說這個是不是請肅政司這邊說明一下\n\n04:16.920 --> 04:38.134\n根委員報告因為我們這個每個機關它有自己的公文系統但是整個在交換的時候或是說是整個底層的那個部分的話現在是由那個檔案管理局在負責那在下一期的一個社會政府計畫裡面它也有提出要用AI的方式來做一個這個公文系統的一個模組讓各機關可以來做一個應用\n\n04:38.914 --> 05:08.086\n好OK那也希望說能夠持續來加快的整合因為目前來講不只是要電子化那甚至雲端我相信部長其實是這領域的專業也希望說看到實際上能夠共享運用甚至格式上還能夠更為便利那以及剛才有提到的在AI的一個應用上那當然不管是Deep-seek或是目前在機關的使用但是在民間在一般的中小企業或是老百姓的這種使用上\n\n05:08.926 --> 05:28.468\n的確實是推廣不足那如何讓大家能夠熟悉或是善用那我想請問一下目前在速發部有沒有相關的一個考照或培訓甚至是認證以及競賽的規劃我們有那個就是人才培育跟這個系統培育人才有幾種一種就是使用AI的人才\n\n05:28.948 --> 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