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00:02:08,288\n那現在這些會議不重要嗎還是沒有關係因為我剛剛看到很多本委會的委員不論朝野都認為資安很重要啊但是這些會議的錢全部被刪掉了他們覺得很重要甚至於再問DeepSeek甚至於再問其他的平台這些平台到底有沒有資安的問題可不可以交流\n\n7\n00:02:09,188 --> 00:02:29,899\n我覺得現在這個狀況我們必須要想想有什麼替代方案尤其是有些會議室你不是說我視訊跟你視訊就好人家不跟你視訊啊那我們該怎麼辦部長委員剛剛講的很好就是說我們事實上這出國軍會全三分兩部分一個是跟治安相關因為我們過去\n\n8\n00:02:31,420 --> 00:02:46,493\n去年有100場的這個資安的交流會議那這個當然就就裡面有些重要的是訓練就是演練跟集合跟這個所謂的情資的交流技術的交流這個會議是不能夠線上因為牽涉到就剛剛講的我們會養雞場\n\n9\n00:02:47,534 --> 00:03:08,195\n人家都在鎖資安結果我們跟人家講說不好意思我們沒有錢出國因為我們藍白立委把這些錢全部都刪完了我們視訊會議一下人家跟你講說你有沒有資安啊對不對在很多會議是不准視訊甚至於我們進到會場是要把手機交出來所以那個確實有些敏感沒辦法用視訊解決那是資安部分那另外剛剛委員講到就是我們幾個會議像我們所謂數位主權的會議\n\n10\n00:03:11,539 --> 00:03:26,318\n這幾面包括其實這裡面FFOC是我去年親自參加是部長級的會議我們好不容易爭取到觀察員然後如果今年不參加我們本來想爭取可能會員但是不參加可能就一定不能參加一定會有受影響\n\n11\n00:03:27,119 --> 00:03:45,180\n那像ICANN這樣的會議是我們的所謂的這個網路的這個主權也就是說我們在網路的這個domainname爭取的時候比如說.tw到底是要跟台灣申請或是要跟中國申請那我們是一直維護.tw或.台北或.台南.高雄是在台灣申請\n\n12\n00:03:46,101 --> 00:04:04,918\n那但是如果我們沒辦法參加ICANN的會議有可能我們的會員會被對岸奪取那就造成我們將來在這個所謂的數位主權上會受到很大的影響所以我想出國經費這樣子被砍成零對我們國家的治安對我們國家的這個所謂數位主權都有嚴重的影響\n\n13\n00:04:05,438 --> 00:04:33,289\n好因為現在喔這個國民黨說只要提追加預算委員會同意就可以剛剛我去了好幾個委員會其實我問的都是他的問題就是那我不知道像這種刪減成零啊可不可以提追加減預算啦這個回去恐怕這個部長要跟這個主計處或相關的單位來提醒因為我現在羅列的這些會議部長有沒有哪個會議不重要我們就給他刪掉有沒有\n\n14\n00:04:33,869 --> 00:04:57,797\n沒有這個都是很重要的資安更是好那你有沒有算過這些資安會議如果都要參加台灣不能孤立在我們自己的國家裡面那要多少經費你有沒有初估過原來我們編的經費大概是2200萬就是所有的這些會議加起來那再經過教育委員會刪了一部分大概至少還有1700多萬但是現在又變成零所以\n\n15\n00:04:59,037 --> 00:05:26,042\n就說就基本上就沒有但是我們原來是至少有1700億就說經過交委會出來至少還有1700億好這1700億喔我必須說1700萬1700萬本席必須說這些預算其實不是只有你們在用包括很多專家學者產官學界都要去為什麼我今天會特別質詢是因為透過直播現在有很多業界的人都在擔心因為這個都要報名了\n\n16\n00:05:26,602 --> 00:05:46,619\n所以這個部分本席要提醒如果預算真的有機會如果國民黨所說可以追加你們要趕快送上來因為整個六七月的活動都開始了另外因為時間有限你也想了我只想AI打炸剛剛也有很多委員都在說但是如果現在我們AI打炸這筆預算是不是全部被刪了\n\n17\n00:05:48,246 --> 00:06:07,312\n還是現在那被影響到的是哪些部分是不是表示就不能做還是部分可以做其實這個民眾也很擔心啊因為那個詐騙集團一直在變化所以我們AI在我們過去也是用AI在掃描網頁找出詐騙的網站或廣告\n\n18\n00:06:09,213 --> 00:06:35,304\n那因為他們一直在變所以我們AI要一直精進但是因為今年預算被刪所以我們很多研究工作就會暫停是會影響到我們打造的效率啦這是必然的但是我們還是盡量在有限的境外下還是要把這個工作因為這必然是一個很重要的工作但是刪了太多結果必然而然就是在我們跟對因為對方是用AI打我們那我們對方投入的資源比我們大很多所以我們在這邊我會擔心確實會有嚴重的影響\n\n19\n00:06:37,625 --> 00:07:06,965\n好本期其實質詢也是希望就是你們現在連這個宣傳經費都被刪了恐怕你們不利用這個委員會好好的把話講清楚透過媒體去傳達很多產業的人會以為是數位部現在都不做事不是不做事或者是不交流而是這些錢都被刪了那對於產業有哪些影響產業再發生你們也要發生民眾才會知道說原來我們的資安及國安但是我們的現在資安要交流的部分完全都被鎖在台灣裡面\n\n20\n00:07:07,705 --> 00:07:11,292\n那麼你們也要提出相關的因應方法好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n489\t10515\t謝謝主席這本席這個雖然是外委會第一個但是要等到12點這大家都辛苦了好我們有請這個文煌部長請部長那個遙控器\n16346\t31674\t好 部長好本席雖然不是這個交通委員會的成員但是我一直非常關注的就是有關於網路安全跟相關的數位安全的部分我剛剛特別看了一下書發部所提出來的這個報告的部分PTT好\n38786\t54556\t根據現在昨天因為復翼失敗的關係所以數位部被刪的可以說是非常的慘烈那麼被刪減的35.8億當中影響到的是資安、數位韌性、AI打炸這近五年來我想我統計的這個數字\n56417\t79911\t就是我們的資安事件就有5211包括剛剛其實前面很多博文會的委員也有提到現在不論是我們的公部門又是私部門或者是像醫院等等都遭受了非常多的資安攻擊但是我們都知道其實現在是網路無國界不只是資安及國安很多時候的交流是非常重要的包括我現在羅列的這些黑貿駭客會議美國國際資訊安全會議等等這些會議都在國際當中舉行\n86095\t107735\t而且很多會議還不是免費參加要報名才能參加那麼現在會不會因為我們有關於數位部國外旅費跟出國教育訓練的費用全部刪除所以台灣現在在藍白聯手之下我們變成是封閉在自己的國內然後無法出去嗎\n108416\t128288\t那現在這些會議不重要嗎還是沒有關係因為我剛剛看到很多本委會的委員不論朝野都認為資安很重要啊但是這些會議的錢全部被刪掉了他們覺得很重要甚至於再問Deep Seek甚至於再問其他的平台這些平台到底有沒有資安的問題可不可以交流\n129188\t149899\t我覺得現在這個狀況我們必須要想想有什麼替代方案尤其是有些會議室你不是說我視訊跟你視訊就好人家不跟你視訊啊那我們該怎麼辦 部長委員剛剛講的很好就是說我們事實上這出國軍會全三分兩部分一個是跟治安相關因為我們過去\n151420\t166493\t去年有100場的這個資安的交流會議那這個當然就就裡面有些重要的是訓練就是演練跟集合跟這個所謂的情資的交流技術的交流這個會議是不能夠線上因為牽涉到就剛剛講的我們會養雞場\n167534\t188195\t人家都在鎖資安結果我們跟人家講說不好意思我們沒有錢出國因為我們藍白立委把這些錢全部都刪完了我們視訊會議一下人家跟你講說你有沒有資安啊對不對在很多會議是不准視訊甚至於我們進到會場是要把手機交出來所以那個確實有些敏感沒辦法用視訊解決那是資安部分那另外剛剛委員講到就是我們幾個會議像我們所謂數位主權的會議\n191539\t206318\t這幾面包括其實這裡面FFOC是我去年親自參加是部長級的會議我們好不容易爭取到觀察員然後如果今年不參加我們本來想爭取可能會員但是不參加可能就一定不能參加一定會有受影響\n207119\t225180\t那像ICANN這樣的會議是我們的所謂的這個網路的這個主權也就是說我們在網路的這個domain name爭取的時候比如說.tw到底是要跟台灣申請或是要跟中國申請那我們是一直維護.tw或.台北或.台南.高雄是在台灣申請\n226101\t244918\t那但是如果我們沒辦法參加ICANN的會議有可能我們的會員會被對岸奪取那就造成我們將來在這個所謂的數位主權上會受到很大的影響所以我想出國經費這樣子被砍成零對我們國家的治安對我們國家的這個所謂數位主權都有嚴重的影響\n245438\t273289\t好因為現在喔這個國民黨說只要提追加預算委員會同意就可以剛剛我去了好幾個委員會其實我問的都是他的問題就是那我不知道像這種刪減成零啊可不可以提追加減預算啦這個回去恐怕這個部長要跟這個主計處或相關的單位來提醒因為我現在羅列的這些會議部長有沒有哪個會議不重要我們就給他刪掉有沒有\n273869\t297797\t沒有 這個都是很重要的資安更是好 那你有沒有算過這些資安會議如果都要參加台灣不能孤立在我們自己的國家裡面那要多少經費 你有沒有初估過原來我們編的經費大概是2200萬就是所有的這些會議加起來那再經過教育委員會刪了一部分大概至少還有1700多萬但是現在又變成零 所以\n299037\t326042\t就說就基本上就沒有但是我們原來是至少有1700億就說經過交委會出來至少還有1700億好這1700億喔我必須說1700萬1700萬本席必須說這些預算其實不是只有你們在用包括很多專家學者產官學界都要去為什麼我今天會特別質詢是因為透過直播現在有很多業界的人都在擔心因為這個都要報名了\n326602\t346619\t所以這個部分本席要提醒如果預算真的有機會如果國民黨所說可以追加你們要趕快送上來因為整個六七月的活動都開始了另外因為時間有限你也想了我只想AI打炸剛剛也有很多委員都在說但是如果現在我們AI打炸這筆預算是不是全部被刪了\n348246\t367312\t還是現在那被影響到的是哪些部分是不是表示就不能做還是部分可以做其實這個民眾也很擔心啊因為那個詐騙集團一直在變化所以我們AI在我們過去也是用AI在掃描網頁找出詐騙的網站或廣告\n369213\t395304\t那因為他們一直在變所以我們AI要一直精進但是因為今年預算被刪所以我們很多研究工作就會暫停是會影響到我們打造的效率啦這是必然的但是我們還是盡量在有限的境外下還是要把這個工作因為這必然是一個很重要的工作但是刪了太多結果必然而然就是在我們跟對因為對方是用AI打我們那我們對方投入的資源比我們大很多所以我們在這邊我會擔心確實會有嚴重的影響\n397625\t426965\t好本期其實質詢也是希望就是你們現在連這個宣傳經費都被刪了恐怕你們不利用這個委員會好好的把話講清楚透過媒體去傳達很多產業的人會以為是數位部現在都不做事不是不做事或者是不交流而是這些錢都被刪了那對於產業有哪些影響產業再發生你們也要發生民眾才會知道說原來我們的資安及國安但是我們的現在資安要交流的部分完全都被鎖在台灣裡面\n427705\t431292\t那麼你們也要提出相關的因應方法好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席這本席這個雖然是外委會第一個但是要等到12點這大家都辛苦了好我們有請這個文煌部長請部長那個遙控器\n好 部長好本席雖然不是這個交通委員會的成員但是我一直非常關注的就是有關於網路安全跟相關的數位安全的部分我剛剛特別看了一下書發部所提出來的這個報告的部分PTT好\n根據現在昨天因為復翼失敗的關係所以數位部被刪的可以說是非常的慘烈那麼被刪減的35.8億當中影響到的是資安、數位韌性、AI打炸這近五年來我想我統計的這個數字\n就是我們的資安事件就有5211包括剛剛其實前面很多博文會的委員也有提到現在不論是我們的公部門又是私部門或者是像醫院等等都遭受了非常多的資安攻擊但是我們都知道其實現在是網路無國界不只是資安及國安很多時候的交流是非常重要的包括我現在羅列的這些黑貿駭客會議美國國際資訊安全會議等等這些會議都在國際當中舉行\n而且很多會議還不是免費參加要報名才能參加那麼現在會不會因為我們有關於數位部國外旅費跟出國教育訓練的費用全部刪除所以台灣現在在藍白聯手之下我們變成是封閉在自己的國內然後無法出去嗎\n那現在這些會議不重要嗎還是沒有關係因為我剛剛看到很多本委會的委員不論朝野都認為資安很重要啊但是這些會議的錢全部被刪掉了他們覺得很重要甚至於再問Deep Seek甚至於再問其他的平台這些平台到底有沒有資安的問題可不可以交流\n我覺得現在這個狀況我們必須要想想有什麼替代方案尤其是有些會議室你不是說我視訊跟你視訊就好人家不跟你視訊啊那我們該怎麼辦 部長委員剛剛講的很好就是說我們事實上這出國軍會全三分兩部分一個是跟治安相關因為我們過去\n去年有100場的這個資安的交流會議那這個當然就就裡面有些重要的是訓練就是演練跟集合跟這個所謂的情資的交流技術的交流這個會議是不能夠線上因為牽涉到就剛剛講的我們會養雞場\n人家都在鎖資安結果我們跟人家講說不好意思我們沒有錢出國因為我們藍白立委把這些錢全部都刪完了我們視訊會議一下人家跟你講說你有沒有資安啊對不對在很多會議是不准視訊甚至於我們進到會場是要把手機交出來所以那個確實有些敏感沒辦法用視訊解決那是資安部分那另外剛剛委員講到就是我們幾個會議像我們所謂數位主權的會議\n這幾面包括其實這裡面FFOC是我去年親自參加是部長級的會議我們好不容易爭取到觀察員然後如果今年不參加我們本來想爭取可能會員但是不參加可能就一定不能參加一定會有受影響\n那像ICANN這樣的會議是我們的所謂的這個網路的這個主權也就是說我們在網路的這個domain name爭取的時候比如說.tw到底是要跟台灣申請或是要跟中國申請那我們是一直維護.tw或.台北或.台南.高雄是在台灣申請\n那但是如果我們沒辦法參加ICANN的會議有可能我們的會員會被對岸奪取那就造成我們將來在這個所謂的數位主權上會受到很大的影響所以我想出國經費這樣子被砍成零對我們國家的治安對我們國家的這個所謂數位主權都有嚴重的影響\n好因為現在喔這個國民黨說只要提追加預算委員會同意就可以剛剛我去了好幾個委員會其實我問的都是他的問題就是那我不知道像這種刪減成零啊可不可以提追加減預算啦這個回去恐怕這個部長要跟這個主計處或相關的單位來提醒因為我現在羅列的這些會議部長有沒有哪個會議不重要我們就給他刪掉有沒有\n沒有 這個都是很重要的資安更是好 那你有沒有算過這些資安會議如果都要參加台灣不能孤立在我們自己的國家裡面那要多少經費 你有沒有初估過原來我們編的經費大概是2200萬就是所有的這些會議加起來那再經過教育委員會刪了一部分大概至少還有1700多萬但是現在又變成零 所以\n就說就基本上就沒有但是我們原來是至少有1700億就說經過交委會出來至少還有1700億好這1700億喔我必須說1700萬1700萬本席必須說這些預算其實不是只有你們在用包括很多專家學者產官學界都要去為什麼我今天會特別質詢是因為透過直播現在有很多業界的人都在擔心因為這個都要報名了\n所以這個部分本席要提醒如果預算真的有機會如果國民黨所說可以追加你們要趕快送上來因為整個六七月的活動都開始了另外因為時間有限你也想了我只想AI打炸剛剛也有很多委員都在說但是如果現在我們AI打炸這筆預算是不是全部被刪了\n還是現在那被影響到的是哪些部分是不是表示就不能做還是部分可以做其實這個民眾也很擔心啊因為那個詐騙集團一直在變化所以我們AI在我們過去也是用AI在掃描網頁找出詐騙的網站或廣告\n那因為他們一直在變所以我們AI要一直精進但是因為今年預算被刪所以我們很多研究工作就會暫停是會影響到我們打造的效率啦這是必然的但是我們還是盡量在有限的境外下還是要把這個工作因為這必然是一個很重要的工作但是刪了太多結果必然而然就是在我們跟對因為對方是用AI打我們那我們對方投入的資源比我們大很多所以我們在這邊我會擔心確實會有嚴重的影響\n好本期其實質詢也是希望就是你們現在連這個宣傳經費都被刪了恐怕你們不利用這個委員會好好的把話講清楚透過媒體去傳達很多產業的人會以為是數位部現在都不做事不是不做事或者是不交流而是這些錢都被刪了那對於產業有哪些影響產業再發生你們也要發生民眾才會知道說原來我們的資安及國安但是我們的現在資安要交流的部分完全都被鎖在台灣裡面\n那麼你們也要提出相關的因應方法好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.489 --> 00:10.515\n謝謝主席這本席這個雖然是外委會第一個但是要等到12點這大家都辛苦了好我們有請這個文煌部長請部長那個遙控器\n\n00:16.346 --> 00:31.674\n好部長好本席雖然不是這個交通委員會的成員但是我一直非常關注的就是有關於網路安全跟相關的數位安全的部分我剛剛特別看了一下書發部所提出來的這個報告的部分PTT好\n\n00:38.786 --> 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