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00:03:42,735\n也很重要啊是我不能還能派國家的資源國家的衛兵國家的這個國軍去為一個這個獨裁者去守他的墳墓這沒有道理這個未來一定要拿出積極的做法這個要落實這個是一個關鍵這個過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情也希望能夠處理但是就社會的共識跟這些\n\n9\n00:03:43,789 --> 00:04:11,014\n家屬的意見還沒有達到一致但是我們認為衛兵的財色有那麼困難嗎我想請教部長我們認為我們現在應該就整個國家的環境裡面是應該有適當的處理方法可以讓他們有一個安心的地方我了解但是衛兵的財色為一個獨裁者有派那麼多衛兵這個30人的鞭制這為什麼不能把它為什麼不能這個一定要在那邊操演嗎一定要在那邊駐守嗎\n\n10\n00:04:13,627 --> 00:04:34,557\n這個部長我回答一下因為有一個去年7月15號原來是在大廳的那個一對那個是條例我了解但是這個所謂領請這是辦法辦法是可以修改的我現在講中央紀念堂以下來做的結果給委員了解一下\n\n11\n00:04:35,097 --> 00:04:57,730\n就是我們在部長那個我都了解因為我諮詢的關係我說你這個所謂中正那個是屬於這個條例那是法律那是辦法零錢是相關的辦法辦法是可以修改的是屬於行政命令就可以修改的但你要不要做而已我想這個議題我大概就到這邊希望說院長以您的高度然後兩位部長能夠重視這個問題\n\n12\n00:04:59,878 --> 00:05:24,608\n好,第二個問題想請教,兩位部長先請這個中國藉由兩岸的交流對台灣進行統戰的滲透特別是有一些藝人在中國發展他演藝事業這個情況之下會變成說,變成他宣傳的一個工具所以,譬如說最近發表對台灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章\n\n13\n00:05:25,816 --> 00:05:47,261\n那當然總統說話,就是說主管機關應當對中國藝人的相關的管理或者輔導要有一些明確的措施但我覺得這些只是道德的勸說所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例人民關係條例第九條,第九條搭配法則第九十一條\n\n14\n00:05:48,479 --> 00:06:13,245\n把這個樣態寫出來,不只藝人,相關的國人如果在中國對台灣的主權相關的傷害的言論當然要受到一定法的規範,甚至要有相關的裁罰裁罰,我是搭配兩岸人民關係條例裁罰的標準,當然是五萬人裁罰有很多鄉親跟我說,這裁罰太輕了\n\n15\n00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:38,729\n我想請教我這樣子提這兩樣的難民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為這樣子呢相互相承這個我想請教一下院長的意見我覺得藝人應該很清楚自開始的時候來自台灣國人的掌聲才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展\n\n16\n00:06:39,687 --> 00:07:00,680\n但是如果因為嚮往或是看到以為中國大陸的那樣的市場但是忘了這個生養他的地方會讓他斷了根而且中國的地方你看多少藝人去想抓就抓財產想沒就沒這個部分絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的所以我認為還是讓他們希望能夠把根留在台灣\n\n17\n00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:24,060\n這是道德勸說,道德勸說沒有用我們會發展我們自己強而有力的以台灣本土為主的一個主流以台流的文化來強化我們自己內部那是一個長期的過程,那是一個理想化的狀態但是他們迫於無奈,他們有很多的這個是沒有辦法自我選擇的這個是中性行為,但是要記得掌聲給他們是從台灣開始的\n\n18\n00:07:26,121 --> 00:07:32,391\n但他們不會這麼想那我從法治方面去修改然後一定的法律規範一定的這個處罰那個陸委會的立場\n\n19\n00:07:35,891 --> 00:07:55,311\n謝謝邱委員謝謝您的用心如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡面定清楚那當然在我們做規範樂觀其成對我這邊是樂觀其成以我的版本當作行政院的版本這個部分我們再來跟委員來演繹好謝謝這個就是\n\n20\n00:07:57,802 --> 00:08:18,345\n怎麼樣用法制面再補充現有法制面的不足讓他們的相關作為有一些約束謝謝邱主委第三個問題我想是台灣駐外代表證明的進度在2021年我還是請外交部吳次長麻煩請外交部備詢\n\n21\n00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:35,547\n我在2021年我就開記者會希望外交部有一個推動正名小組能夠通令所有的駐外館處能夠積極在台灣一片友好的國際環境當中能夠推動所有的外館都是以台灣為名\n\n22\n00:08:37,288 --> 00:09:03,628\n我希望這個當作外館考核的一個重要指標而不是只有美國美國當然美國跨黨參議員提出的台灣自民法這非常好但是這個過程需要很多的努力我希望說國外交部能夠組成一個推動證明小組通令各館住能夠確實去執行達成這個目標我想請教一下吳次長您的\n\n23\n00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:34,516\n報告委員其實那個更改就是管署證明還牽扯到一個比較複雜的問題就是我們要更改的那個管署跟他承載來自中國壓力的一個問題很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力的所以以我在法國六年多的一個經驗事實上是先我們先把多在對外的說明多加上台灣\n\n24\n00:09:35,556 --> 00:09:59,622\n那多加上台灣之後讓大家在使用的時候多使用這個會變成一個變成一個一個就大家都會不一不一的使用你要講我都了解我的用意很簡單我希望說外交部要有一個小組要通靈跟管束每一個作為管束都一定有他的難度啦難度不一但是一定要努力可操是在在己的部分你要通靈給這個\n\n25\n00:10:01,042 --> 00:10:29,943\n這個駐外的大使你要想方設法用盡任何關係短期、長期、中期總是要有一些進展每一個駐外管束都有不同的狀況我都理解但是一定要正視這個問題如果我們不做這名稱永遠不會改所以這是一個長期的目標另外格力蘭最近一位川普對格力蘭的看法格力蘭選舉昨天才落幕但我們跟格力蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠\n\n26\n00:10:31,479 --> 00:10:54,446\n你從哥本漢過去大概只有五個小時現在是我們住的代表住所管轄它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置它有稀土還有資源還有漁產還有美國的基地在那邊也有一些科研的基地我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動\n\n27\n00:10:55,834 --> 00:11:18,522\n那經過我去了解,我目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格力蘭的議會31席沒有任何的互動我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動雖然政黨有換,但是基本的立場沒有變但是四海皆是朋友所以不能說他比較遙遠,我們就完全沒有跟他接觸\n\n28\n00:11:19,995 --> 00:11:45,591\n況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足啦況且很多能源開發也許我們台灣可以Dosomething市長您的意見我想格力蘭當然像剛才委員講的他是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的我們現在跟丹麥其實還有一些其實也是一些名城的問題我們有待解決\n\n29\n00:11:46,601 --> 00:11:57,228\n那我想我們一定會遵照委員的一個訓練訓練那個駐丹麥的代表先期比較不冷的時候我想再組個團去\n\n30\n00:11:58,993 --> 00:12:26,310\n去了解一下這個當地的環境他們追求獨立的雖然只有5萬7000人口是臺灣的面積200倍如果有機會的話我也希望說能夠跟他們有一些的互動不管是國會或者行政部門謝謝吳次長好謝謝委員第四個問題是經濟方面就是說面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷我想這部分可能要請到郭部長請經濟部郭部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢\n\n31\n00:12:29,418 --> 00:12:55,816\n這個部分我們在南部南部是傳統的製造業傳統產業為主傳統產業他們有一點想法有一點抱怨政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI水電完全供應所有的政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助當然這不完全是事實\n\n32\n00:12:58,868 --> 00:13:23,886\n但是他們有一些抱怨是我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了我們是不是不再顧我們傳統產業我們就是發展AI跟半導體特別我在江山是螺絲扣件是鋼鐵所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0來讓從傳統產業能夠轉型能夠有更多的競爭力能夠讓他們安心是政府永遠做你們的後盾\n\n33\n00:13:25,037 --> 00:13:37,326\n所以我擔心這個高國民所的情況之下是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響所造成的結果但你不要忘了很多中南部的從業人口都是做這個傳統產業\n\n34\n00:13:40,020 --> 00:14:05,265\n所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統業者知道政府絕對是拿出具體的做法跟資源讓你們安心協助你們轉型讓你們維持競爭力這部分這個報告委員對於AI來協助這個中小微企業成長的部分我們大概有兩個做法第一個就是他需要的訂單我們從通路上面來支持他第二個\n\n35\n00:14:05,985 --> 00:14:19,872\n在AI的訓練上面除了數位化我想他們不一定能夠完全的了解所以我們就是讓他習作我們會責成我們所屬的這些機構我讓他來做\n\n36\n00:14:26,255 --> 00:14:48,860\n所以我有感激來同心善你要有這個整個大戰略傳統產業升級轉型2.0你要明確傳統產業中哪一部分工體的後建的那就九塊這個各有它的問題土地問題資金的問題人才的問題或者勞動力的問題沒有錯我們現在就是用AI進入整個它需要生產的\n\n37\n00:14:49,420 --> 00:15:10,446\n那我們協助他進入那個生產的這個情境如果他是服務業的我們也讓他進入服務業的這個情境來讓他習作學習不是只有學也讓他習作政策要落實需要一點時間我了解但是你要讓這個中小企業組傳統企業傳統產業中小企業讓他們了解政府的確\n\n38\n00:15:13,647 --> 00:15:32,853\n有權利吸收他們但是他們反應給我說他們好像是政策的企鵝一樣要求部長我們更廣泛大規模的跟中小企業做說明我們做了一些比較分散型的集中起來做說明希望淨零轉型不會給他帶來成本的負擔\n\n39\n00:15:57,072 --> 00:15:59,653\n好謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢謝謝卓院長各相關部會所長的備詢謝謝接下來我們請登記第27號\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16846\t21732\t好 謝謝主席 又請行政院我們左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢議長好 我有15分鐘請教六個問題\n35370\t60202\t第一個問題就是你禮拜四多久了,七十多年紀念會的時候,總統說酒再酒,為了要通締台灣你禮拜四做像很多台灣人這樣失去的社名他是一個獨裁者,獨裁者所犯下的滔天大罪\n61249\t85163\t所以去年我也在這個地方請教,叫李洛媽熊處理在裡面,在紀念堂裡面的憲兵在那裡抄眼,現在刷出來外面未來,我希望進一步轉型正義的部分在這個特別對獨裁者的師父臨請跟大師臨請臨請的意思是什麼?\n90799\t117894\t林鄭月娥屬於帝王的墳墓就像這個帝王把他的神格化變成一個帝王為獨裁者蓋一個慈福陵寢他哪裡慈啊他一點都不慈白色恐怖的蔣經國還有一個大勢陵寢而都有我們的國軍在那\n119876\t143876\t戰哨戰哨是說還有相關的這個交接這個浪費國家的這個兵力浪費國家的資源為一個獨裁者這個部分可能也一定要請教國防部還有文化部這個相關這兩部分我想請教一下卓院長您的看法怎麼樣未來要怎麼樣針對這個這兩個獨裁者的這個領請\n148616\t173766\t謝謝委員我這個有這個機會向委員也向大家說明那天我是全程在場在總統當場的講話我們聽到他的真正他的意義是希望台灣這個中華民國這個國家民主的國家要告別那種封建的帝王式的您說的以及那種在族群之間或是文化之間落差所造成的傷害是希望以後都不會再發生\n174761\t192220\t所以我們他在那邊講話原意在這裡那不會發生重要我們要從有真相道歉到究責這三個部分要很清楚的向社會也向受害人表達一個政府基本的態度那對獨裁者的我們的態度\n193240\t222735\t也很重要啊是我不能還能派國家的資源國家的衛兵國家的這個國軍去為一個這個獨裁者去守他的墳墓這沒有道理這個未來一定要拿出積極的做法這個要落實這個是一個關鍵這個過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情也希望能夠處理但是就社會的共識跟這些\n223789\t251014\t家屬的意見還沒有達到一致但是我們認為衛兵的財色有那麼困難嗎我想請教部長我們認為我們現在應該就整個國家的環境裡面是應該有適當的處理方法可以讓他們有一個安心的地方我了解但是衛兵的財色為一個獨裁者有派那麼多衛兵這個30人的鞭制這為什麼不能把它為什麼不能這個一定要在那邊操演嗎一定要在那邊駐守嗎\n253627\t274557\t這個部長我回答一下因為有一個去年7月15號原來是在大廳的那個一對那個是條例我了解但是這個所謂領請這是辦法 辦法是可以修改的我現在講中央紀念堂以下來做的結果給委員了解一下\n275097\t297730\t就是我們在部長那個我都了解因為我諮詢的關係我說你這個所謂中正那個是屬於這個條例那是法律那是辦法 零錢是相關的辦法 辦法是可以修改的是屬於行政命令就可以修改的但你要不要做而已我想這個議題我大概就到這邊希望說院長以您的高度然後兩位部長能夠重視這個問題\n299878\t324608\t好,第二個問題想請教,兩位部長先請這個中國藉由兩岸的交流對台灣進行統戰的滲透特別是有一些藝人在中國發展他演藝事業這個情況之下會變成說,變成他宣傳的一個工具所以,譬如說最近發表對台灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章\n325816\t347261\t那當然總統說話,就是說主管機關應當對中國藝人的相關的管理或者輔導要有一些明確的措施但我覺得這些只是道德的勸說所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例人民關係條例第九條,第九條搭配法則第九十一條\n348479\t373245\t把這個樣態寫出來,不只藝人,相關的國人如果在中國對台灣的主權相關的傷害的言論當然要受到一定法的規範,甚至要有相關的裁罰裁罰,我是搭配兩岸人民關係條例裁罰的標準,當然是五萬人裁罰有很多鄉親跟我說,這裁罰太輕了\n375080\t398729\t我想請教我這樣子提這兩樣的難民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為這樣子呢 相互相承這個我想請教一下院長的意見我覺得藝人應該很清楚自開始的時候來自台灣國人的掌聲才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展\n399687\t420680\t但是如果因為嚮往或是看到以為中國大陸的那樣的市場但是忘了這個生養他的地方會讓他斷了根而且中國的地方你看多少藝人去想抓就抓財產想沒就沒這個部分絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的所以我認為還是讓他們希望能夠把根留在台灣\n421560\t444060\t這是道德勸說,道德勸說沒有用我們會發展我們自己強而有力的以台灣本土為主的一個主流以台流的文化來強化我們自己內部那是一個長期的過程,那是一個理想化的狀態但是他們迫於無奈,他們有很多的這個是沒有辦法自我選擇的這個是中性行為,但是要記得掌聲給他們是從台灣開始的\n446121\t452391\t但他們不會這麼想那我從法治方面去修改然後一定的法律規範一定的這個處罰那個陸委會的立場\n455891\t475311\t謝謝邱委員 謝謝您的用心如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡面定清楚那當然在我們做規範樂觀其成對 我這邊是樂觀其成以我的版本當作行政院的版本這個部分我們再來跟委員來演繹好 謝謝這個就是\n477802\t498345\t怎麼樣用法制面再補充現有法制面的不足讓他們的相關作為有一些約束謝謝邱主委第三個問題我想是台灣駐外代表證明的進度在2021年我還是請外交部吳次長麻煩請外交部備詢\n499400\t515547\t我在2021年我就開記者會希望外交部有一個推動正名小組能夠通令所有的駐外館處能夠積極在台灣一片友好的國際環境當中能夠推動所有的外館都是以台灣為名\n517288\t543628\t我希望這個當作外館考核的一個重要指標而不是只有美國美國當然 美國跨黨參議員提出的台灣自民法這非常好但是這個過程需要很多的努力我希望說 國外交部能夠組成一個推動證明小組通令各館住能夠確實去執行達成這個目標我想請教一下吳次長您的\n546390\t574516\t報告委員其實那個更改就是管署證明還牽扯到一個比較複雜的問題就是我們要更改的那個管署跟他承載來自中國壓力的一個問題很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力的所以以我在法國六年多的一個經驗事實上是先我們先把多在對外的說明多加上台灣\n575556\t599622\t那多加上台灣之後讓大家在使用的時候多使用這個會變成一個 變成一個 一個就大家都會不一不一的使用你要講我都了解我的用意很簡單我希望說外交部要有一個小組要通靈跟管束每一個作為管束都一定有他的難度啦難度不一但是一定要努力可操是在在己的部分你要通靈給這個\n601042\t629943\t這個駐外的大使你要想方設法用盡任何關係短期、長期、中期總是要有一些進展每一個駐外管束都有不同的狀況我都理解但是一定要正視這個問題如果我們不做這名稱永遠不會改所以這是一個長期的目標另外格力蘭最近一位川普對格力蘭的看法格力蘭選舉昨天才落幕但我們跟格力蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠\n631479\t654446\t你從哥本漢過去大概只有五個小時現在是我們住的代表住所管轄它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置它有稀土 還有資源 還有漁產還有美國的基地在那邊也有一些科研的基地我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動\n655834\t678522\t那經過我去了解,我目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格力蘭的議會31席沒有任何的互動我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動雖然政黨有換,但是基本的立場沒有變但是四海皆是朋友所以不能說他比較遙遠,我們就完全沒有跟他接觸\n679995\t705591\t況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足啦況且很多能源開發也許我們台灣可以Do something市長您的意見我想格力蘭當然像剛才委員講的他是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的我們現在跟丹麥其實還有一些其實也是一些名城的問題我們有待解決\n706601\t717228\t那我想我們一定會遵照委員的一個訓練訓練那個駐丹麥的代表先期比較不冷的時候我想再組個團去\n718993\t746310\t去了解一下這個當地的環境他們追求獨立的雖然只有5萬7000人口是臺灣的面積200倍如果有機會的話我也希望說能夠跟他們有一些的互動不管是國會或者行政部門謝謝吳次長好 謝謝委員第四個問題是經濟方面就是說面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷我想這部分可能要請到郭部長請經濟部郭部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢\n749418\t775816\t這個部分我們在南部南部是傳統的製造業傳統產業為主傳統產業他們有一點想法有一點抱怨政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI水電完全供應所有的政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助當然這不完全是事實\n778868\t803886\t但是他們有一些抱怨是我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了我們是不是不再顧我們傳統產業我們就是發展AI跟半導體特別我在江山是螺絲扣件是鋼鐵所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0來讓從傳統產業能夠轉型能夠有更多的競爭力能夠讓他們安心是政府永遠做你們的後盾\n805037\t817326\t所以我擔心這個高國民所的情況之下是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響所造成的結果但你不要忘了很多中南部的從業人口都是做這個傳統產業\n820020\t845265\t所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統業者知道政府絕對是拿出具體的做法跟資源讓你們安心協助你們轉型讓你們維持競爭力這部分這個報告委員對於AI來協助這個中小微企業成長的部分我們大概有兩個做法第一個就是他需要的訂單我們從通路上面來支持他第二個\n845985\t859872\t在AI的訓練上面 除了數位化我想他們不一定能夠完全的了解所以我們就是讓他習作我們會責成我們所屬的這些機構我讓他來做\n866255\t888860\t所以我有感激來同心善你要有這個整個大戰略 傳統產業升級轉型2.0你要明確 傳統產業中哪一部分 工體的 後建的 那就九塊這個各有它的問題 土地問題 資金的問題 人才的問題 或者勞動力的問題沒有錯 我們現在就是用AI進入整個 它需要生產的\n889420\t910446\t那我們協助他進入那個生產的這個情境如果他是服務業的我們也讓他進入服務業的這個情境來讓他習作學習不是只有學也讓他習作政策要落實需要一點時間我了解但是你要讓這個中小企業組傳統企業傳統產業中小企業讓他們了解政府的確\n913647\t932853\t有權利吸收他們但是他們反應給我說他們好像是政策的企鵝一樣要求部長我們更廣泛大規模的跟中小企業做說明我們做了一些比較分散型的集中起來做說明希望淨零轉型不會給他帶來成本的負擔\n957072\t959653\t好 謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請登記第27號\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 又請行政院我們左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢議長好 我有15分鐘請教六個問題\n第一個問題就是你禮拜四多久了,七十多年紀念會的時候,總統說酒再酒,為了要通締台灣你禮拜四做像很多台灣人這樣失去的社名他是一個獨裁者,獨裁者所犯下的滔天大罪\n所以去年我也在這個地方請教,叫李洛媽熊處理在裡面,在紀念堂裡面的憲兵在那裡抄眼,現在刷出來外面未來,我希望進一步轉型正義的部分在這個特別對獨裁者的師父臨請跟大師臨請臨請的意思是什麼?\n林鄭月娥屬於帝王的墳墓就像這個帝王把他的神格化變成一個帝王為獨裁者蓋一個慈福陵寢他哪裡慈啊他一點都不慈白色恐怖的蔣經國還有一個大勢陵寢而都有我們的國軍在那\n戰哨戰哨是說還有相關的這個交接這個浪費國家的這個兵力浪費國家的資源為一個獨裁者這個部分可能也一定要請教國防部還有文化部這個相關這兩部分我想請教一下卓院長您的看法怎麼樣未來要怎麼樣針對這個這兩個獨裁者的這個領請\n謝謝委員我這個有這個機會向委員也向大家說明那天我是全程在場在總統當場的講話我們聽到他的真正他的意義是希望台灣這個中華民國這個國家民主的國家要告別那種封建的帝王式的您說的以及那種在族群之間或是文化之間落差所造成的傷害是希望以後都不會再發生\n所以我們他在那邊講話原意在這裡那不會發生重要我們要從有真相道歉到究責這三個部分要很清楚的向社會也向受害人表達一個政府基本的態度那對獨裁者的我們的態度\n也很重要啊是我不能還能派國家的資源國家的衛兵國家的這個國軍去為一個這個獨裁者去守他的墳墓這沒有道理這個未來一定要拿出積極的做法這個要落實這個是一個關鍵這個過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情也希望能夠處理但是就社會的共識跟這些\n家屬的意見還沒有達到一致但是我們認為衛兵的財色有那麼困難嗎我想請教部長我們認為我們現在應該就整個國家的環境裡面是應該有適當的處理方法可以讓他們有一個安心的地方我了解但是衛兵的財色為一個獨裁者有派那麼多衛兵這個30人的鞭制這為什麼不能把它為什麼不能這個一定要在那邊操演嗎一定要在那邊駐守嗎\n這個部長我回答一下因為有一個去年7月15號原來是在大廳的那個一對那個是條例我了解但是這個所謂領請這是辦法 辦法是可以修改的我現在講中央紀念堂以下來做的結果給委員了解一下\n就是我們在部長那個我都了解因為我諮詢的關係我說你這個所謂中正那個是屬於這個條例那是法律那是辦法 零錢是相關的辦法 辦法是可以修改的是屬於行政命令就可以修改的但你要不要做而已我想這個議題我大概就到這邊希望說院長以您的高度然後兩位部長能夠重視這個問題\n好,第二個問題想請教,兩位部長先請這個中國藉由兩岸的交流對台灣進行統戰的滲透特別是有一些藝人在中國發展他演藝事業這個情況之下會變成說,變成他宣傳的一個工具所以,譬如說最近發表對台灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章\n那當然總統說話,就是說主管機關應當對中國藝人的相關的管理或者輔導要有一些明確的措施但我覺得這些只是道德的勸說所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例人民關係條例第九條,第九條搭配法則第九十一條\n把這個樣態寫出來,不只藝人,相關的國人如果在中國對台灣的主權相關的傷害的言論當然要受到一定法的規範,甚至要有相關的裁罰裁罰,我是搭配兩岸人民關係條例裁罰的標準,當然是五萬人裁罰有很多鄉親跟我說,這裁罰太輕了\n我想請教我這樣子提這兩樣的難民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為這樣子呢 相互相承這個我想請教一下院長的意見我覺得藝人應該很清楚自開始的時候來自台灣國人的掌聲才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展\n但是如果因為嚮往或是看到以為中國大陸的那樣的市場但是忘了這個生養他的地方會讓他斷了根而且中國的地方你看多少藝人去想抓就抓財產想沒就沒這個部分絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的所以我認為還是讓他們希望能夠把根留在台灣\n這是道德勸說,道德勸說沒有用我們會發展我們自己強而有力的以台灣本土為主的一個主流以台流的文化來強化我們自己內部那是一個長期的過程,那是一個理想化的狀態但是他們迫於無奈,他們有很多的這個是沒有辦法自我選擇的這個是中性行為,但是要記得掌聲給他們是從台灣開始的\n但他們不會這麼想那我從法治方面去修改然後一定的法律規範一定的這個處罰那個陸委會的立場\n謝謝邱委員 謝謝您的用心如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡面定清楚那當然在我們做規範樂觀其成對 我這邊是樂觀其成以我的版本當作行政院的版本這個部分我們再來跟委員來演繹好 謝謝這個就是\n怎麼樣用法制面再補充現有法制面的不足讓他們的相關作為有一些約束謝謝邱主委第三個問題我想是台灣駐外代表證明的進度在2021年我還是請外交部吳次長麻煩請外交部備詢\n我在2021年我就開記者會希望外交部有一個推動正名小組能夠通令所有的駐外館處能夠積極在台灣一片友好的國際環境當中能夠推動所有的外館都是以台灣為名\n我希望這個當作外館考核的一個重要指標而不是只有美國美國當然 美國跨黨參議員提出的台灣自民法這非常好但是這個過程需要很多的努力我希望說 國外交部能夠組成一個推動證明小組通令各館住能夠確實去執行達成這個目標我想請教一下吳次長您的\n報告委員其實那個更改就是管署證明還牽扯到一個比較複雜的問題就是我們要更改的那個管署跟他承載來自中國壓力的一個問題很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力的所以以我在法國六年多的一個經驗事實上是先我們先把多在對外的說明多加上台灣\n那多加上台灣之後讓大家在使用的時候多使用這個會變成一個 變成一個 一個就大家都會不一不一的使用你要講我都了解我的用意很簡單我希望說外交部要有一個小組要通靈跟管束每一個作為管束都一定有他的難度啦難度不一但是一定要努力可操是在在己的部分你要通靈給這個\n這個駐外的大使你要想方設法用盡任何關係短期、長期、中期總是要有一些進展每一個駐外管束都有不同的狀況我都理解但是一定要正視這個問題如果我們不做這名稱永遠不會改所以這是一個長期的目標另外格力蘭最近一位川普對格力蘭的看法格力蘭選舉昨天才落幕但我們跟格力蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠\n你從哥本漢過去大概只有五個小時現在是我們住的代表住所管轄它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置它有稀土 還有資源 還有漁產還有美國的基地在那邊也有一些科研的基地我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動\n那經過我去了解,我目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格力蘭的議會31席沒有任何的互動我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動雖然政黨有換,但是基本的立場沒有變但是四海皆是朋友所以不能說他比較遙遠,我們就完全沒有跟他接觸\n況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足啦況且很多能源開發也許我們台灣可以Do something市長您的意見我想格力蘭當然像剛才委員講的他是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的我們現在跟丹麥其實還有一些其實也是一些名城的問題我們有待解決\n那我想我們一定會遵照委員的一個訓練訓練那個駐丹麥的代表先期比較不冷的時候我想再組個團去\n去了解一下這個當地的環境他們追求獨立的雖然只有5萬7000人口是臺灣的面積200倍如果有機會的話我也希望說能夠跟他們有一些的互動不管是國會或者行政部門謝謝吳次長好 謝謝委員第四個問題是經濟方面就是說面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷我想這部分可能要請到郭部長請經濟部郭部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢\n這個部分我們在南部南部是傳統的製造業傳統產業為主傳統產業他們有一點想法有一點抱怨政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI水電完全供應所有的政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助當然這不完全是事實\n但是他們有一些抱怨是我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了我們是不是不再顧我們傳統產業我們就是發展AI跟半導體特別我在江山是螺絲扣件是鋼鐵所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0來讓從傳統產業能夠轉型能夠有更多的競爭力能夠讓他們安心是政府永遠做你們的後盾\n所以我擔心這個高國民所的情況之下是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響所造成的結果但你不要忘了很多中南部的從業人口都是做這個傳統產業\n所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統業者知道政府絕對是拿出具體的做法跟資源讓你們安心協助你們轉型讓你們維持競爭力這部分這個報告委員對於AI來協助這個中小微企業成長的部分我們大概有兩個做法第一個就是他需要的訂單我們從通路上面來支持他第二個\n在AI的訓練上面 除了數位化我想他們不一定能夠完全的了解所以我們就是讓他習作我們會責成我們所屬的這些機構我讓他來做\n所以我有感激來同心善你要有這個整個大戰略 傳統產業升級轉型2.0你要明確 傳統產業中哪一部分 工體的 後建的 那就九塊這個各有它的問題 土地問題 資金的問題 人才的問題 或者勞動力的問題沒有錯 我們現在就是用AI進入整個 它需要生產的\n那我們協助他進入那個生產的這個情境如果他是服務業的我們也讓他進入服務業的這個情境來讓他習作學習不是只有學也讓他習作政策要落實需要一點時間我了解但是你要讓這個中小企業組傳統企業傳統產業中小企業讓他們了解政府的確\n有權利吸收他們但是他們反應給我說他們好像是政策的企鵝一樣要求部長我們更廣泛大規模的跟中小企業做說明我們做了一些比較分散型的集中起來做說明希望淨零轉型不會給他帶來成本的負擔\n好 謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請登記第27號\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.846 --> 00:21.732\n好謝謝主席又請行政院我們左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢議長好我有15分鐘請教六個問題\n\n00:35.370 --> 01:00.202\n第一個問題就是你禮拜四多久了,七十多年紀念會的時候,總統說酒再酒,為了要通締台灣你禮拜四做像很多台灣人這樣失去的社名他是一個獨裁者,獨裁者所犯下的滔天大罪\n\n01:01.249 --> 01:25.163\n所以去年我也在這個地方請教,叫李洛媽熊處理在裡面,在紀念堂裡面的憲兵在那裡抄眼,現在刷出來外面未來,我希望進一步轉型正義的部分在這個特別對獨裁者的師父臨請跟大師臨請臨請的意思是什麼?\n\n01:30.799 --> 01:57.894\n林鄭月娥屬於帝王的墳墓就像這個帝王把他的神格化變成一個帝王為獨裁者蓋一個慈福陵寢他哪裡慈啊他一點都不慈白色恐怖的蔣經國還有一個大勢陵寢而都有我們的國軍在那\n\n01:59.876 --> 02:23.876\n戰哨戰哨是說還有相關的這個交接這個浪費國家的這個兵力浪費國家的資源為一個獨裁者這個部分可能也一定要請教國防部還有文化部這個相關這兩部分我想請教一下卓院長您的看法怎麼樣未來要怎麼樣針對這個這兩個獨裁者的這個領請\n\n02:28.616 --> 02:53.766\n謝謝委員我這個有這個機會向委員也向大家說明那天我是全程在場在總統當場的講話我們聽到他的真正他的意義是希望台灣這個中華民國這個國家民主的國家要告別那種封建的帝王式的您說的以及那種在族群之間或是文化之間落差所造成的傷害是希望以後都不會再發生\n\n02:54.761 --> 03:12.220\n所以我們他在那邊講話原意在這裡那不會發生重要我們要從有真相道歉到究責這三個部分要很清楚的向社會也向受害人表達一個政府基本的態度那對獨裁者的我們的態度\n\n03:13.240 --> 03:42.735\n也很重要啊是我不能還能派國家的資源國家的衛兵國家的這個國軍去為一個這個獨裁者去守他的墳墓這沒有道理這個未來一定要拿出積極的做法這個要落實這個是一個關鍵這個過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情也希望能夠處理但是就社會的共識跟這些\n\n03:43.789 --> 04:11.014\n家屬的意見還沒有達到一致但是我們認為衛兵的財色有那麼困難嗎我想請教部長我們認為我們現在應該就整個國家的環境裡面是應該有適當的處理方法可以讓他們有一個安心的地方我了解但是衛兵的財色為一個獨裁者有派那麼多衛兵這個30人的鞭制這為什麼不能把它為什麼不能這個一定要在那邊操演嗎一定要在那邊駐守嗎\n\n04:13.627 --> 04:34.557\n這個部長我回答一下因為有一個去年7月15號原來是在大廳的那個一對那個是條例我了解但是這個所謂領請這是辦法辦法是可以修改的我現在講中央紀念堂以下來做的結果給委員了解一下\n\n04:35.097 --> 04:57.730\n就是我們在部長那個我都了解因為我諮詢的關係我說你這個所謂中正那個是屬於這個條例那是法律那是辦法零錢是相關的辦法辦法是可以修改的是屬於行政命令就可以修改的但你要不要做而已我想這個議題我大概就到這邊希望說院長以您的高度然後兩位部長能夠重視這個問題\n\n04:59.878 --> 05:24.608\n好,第二個問題想請教,兩位部長先請這個中國藉由兩岸的交流對台灣進行統戰的滲透特別是有一些藝人在中國發展他演藝事業這個情況之下會變成說,變成他宣傳的一個工具所以,譬如說最近發表對台灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章\n\n05:25.816 --> 05:47.261\n那當然總統說話,就是說主管機關應當對中國藝人的相關的管理或者輔導要有一些明確的措施但我覺得這些只是道德的勸說所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例人民關係條例第九條,第九條搭配法則第九十一條\n\n05:48.479 --> 06:13.245\n把這個樣態寫出來,不只藝人,相關的國人如果在中國對台灣的主權相關的傷害的言論當然要受到一定法的規範,甚至要有相關的裁罰裁罰,我是搭配兩岸人民關係條例裁罰的標準,當然是五萬人裁罰有很多鄉親跟我說,這裁罰太輕了\n\n06:15.080 --> 06:38.729\n我想請教我這樣子提這兩樣的難民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為這樣子呢相互相承這個我想請教一下院長的意見我覺得藝人應該很清楚自開始的時候來自台灣國人的掌聲才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展\n\n06:39.687 --> 07:00.680\n但是如果因為嚮往或是看到以為中國大陸的那樣的市場但是忘了這個生養他的地方會讓他斷了根而且中國的地方你看多少藝人去想抓就抓財產想沒就沒這個部分絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的所以我認為還是讓他們希望能夠把根留在台灣\n\n07:01.560 --> 07:24.060\n這是道德勸說,道德勸說沒有用我們會發展我們自己強而有力的以台灣本土為主的一個主流以台流的文化來強化我們自己內部那是一個長期的過程,那是一個理想化的狀態但是他們迫於無奈,他們有很多的這個是沒有辦法自我選擇的這個是中性行為,但是要記得掌聲給他們是從台灣開始的\n\n07:26.121 --> 07:32.391\n但他們不會這麼想那我從法治方面去修改然後一定的法律規範一定的這個處罰那個陸委會的立場\n\n07:35.891 --> 07:55.311\n謝謝邱委員謝謝您的用心如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡面定清楚那當然在我們做規範樂觀其成對我這邊是樂觀其成以我的版本當作行政院的版本這個部分我們再來跟委員來演繹好謝謝這個就是\n\n07:57.802 --> 08:18.345\n怎麼樣用法制面再補充現有法制面的不足讓他們的相關作為有一些約束謝謝邱主委第三個問題我想是台灣駐外代表證明的進度在2021年我還是請外交部吳次長麻煩請外交部備詢\n\n08:19.400 --> 08:35.547\n我在2021年我就開記者會希望外交部有一個推動正名小組能夠通令所有的駐外館處能夠積極在台灣一片友好的國際環境當中能夠推動所有的外館都是以台灣為名\n\n08:37.288 --> 09:03.628\n我希望這個當作外館考核的一個重要指標而不是只有美國美國當然美國跨黨參議員提出的台灣自民法這非常好但是這個過程需要很多的努力我希望說國外交部能夠組成一個推動證明小組通令各館住能夠確實去執行達成這個目標我想請教一下吳次長您的\n\n09:06.390 --> 09:34.516\n報告委員其實那個更改就是管署證明還牽扯到一個比較複雜的問題就是我們要更改的那個管署跟他承載來自中國壓力的一個問題很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力的所以以我在法國六年多的一個經驗事實上是先我們先把多在對外的說明多加上台灣\n\n09:35.556 --> 09:59.622\n那多加上台灣之後讓大家在使用的時候多使用這個會變成一個變成一個一個就大家都會不一不一的使用你要講我都了解我的用意很簡單我希望說外交部要有一個小組要通靈跟管束每一個作為管束都一定有他的難度啦難度不一但是一定要努力可操是在在己的部分你要通靈給這個\n\n10:01.042 --> 10:29.943\n這個駐外的大使你要想方設法用盡任何關係短期、長期、中期總是要有一些進展每一個駐外管束都有不同的狀況我都理解但是一定要正視這個問題如果我們不做這名稱永遠不會改所以這是一個長期的目標另外格力蘭最近一位川普對格力蘭的看法格力蘭選舉昨天才落幕但我們跟格力蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠\n\n10:31.479 --> 10:54.446\n你從哥本漢過去大概只有五個小時現在是我們住的代表住所管轄它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置它有稀土還有資源還有漁產還有美國的基地在那邊也有一些科研的基地我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動\n\n10:55.834 --> 11:18.522\n那經過我去了解,我目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格力蘭的議會31席沒有任何的互動我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動雖然政黨有換,但是基本的立場沒有變但是四海皆是朋友所以不能說他比較遙遠,我們就完全沒有跟他接觸\n\n11:19.995 --> 11:45.591\n況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足啦況且很多能源開發也許我們台灣可以Dosomething市長您的意見我想格力蘭當然像剛才委員講的他是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的我們現在跟丹麥其實還有一些其實也是一些名城的問題我們有待解決\n\n11:46.601 --> 11:57.228\n那我想我們一定會遵照委員的一個訓練訓練那個駐丹麥的代表先期比較不冷的時候我想再組個團去\n\n11:58.993 --> 12:26.310\n去了解一下這個當地的環境他們追求獨立的雖然只有5萬7000人口是臺灣的面積200倍如果有機會的話我也希望說能夠跟他們有一些的互動不管是國會或者行政部門謝謝吳次長好謝謝委員第四個問題是經濟方面就是說面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷我想這部分可能要請到郭部長請經濟部郭部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢\n\n12:29.418 --> 12:55.816\n這個部分我們在南部南部是傳統的製造業傳統產業為主傳統產業他們有一點想法有一點抱怨政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI水電完全供應所有的政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助當然這不完全是事實\n\n12:58.868 --> 13:23.886\n但是他們有一些抱怨是我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了我們是不是不再顧我們傳統產業我們就是發展AI跟半導體特別我在江山是螺絲扣件是鋼鐵所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0來讓從傳統產業能夠轉型能夠有更多的競爭力能夠讓他們安心是政府永遠做你們的後盾\n\n13:25.037 --> 13:37.326\n所以我擔心這個高國民所的情況之下是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響所造成的結果但你不要忘了很多中南部的從業人口都是做這個傳統產業\n\n13:40.020 --> 14:05.265\n所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統業者知道政府絕對是拿出具體的做法跟資源讓你們安心協助你們轉型讓你們維持競爭力這部分這個報告委員對於AI來協助這個中小微企業成長的部分我們大概有兩個做法第一個就是他需要的訂單我們從通路上面來支持他第二個\n\n14:05.985 --> 14:19.872\n在AI的訓練上面除了數位化我想他們不一定能夠完全的了解所以我們就是讓他習作我們會責成我們所屬的這些機構我讓他來做\n\n14:26.255 --> 14:48.860\n所以我有感激來同心善你要有這個整個大戰略傳統產業升級轉型2.0你要明確傳統產業中哪一部分工體的後建的那就九塊這個各有它的問題土地問題資金的問題人才的問題或者勞動力的問題沒有錯我們現在就是用AI進入整個它需要生產的\n\n14:49.420 --> 15:10.446\n那我們協助他進入那個生產的這個情境如果他是服務業的我們也讓他進入服務業的這個情境來讓他習作學習不是只有學也讓他習作政策要落實需要一點時間我了解但是你要讓這個中小企業組傳統企業傳統產業中小企業讓他們了解政府的確\n\n15:13.647 --> 15:32.853\n有權利吸收他們但是他們反應給我說他們好像是政策的企鵝一樣要求部長我們更廣泛大規模的跟中小企業做說明我們做了一些比較分散型的集中起來做說明希望淨零轉型不會給他帶來成本的負擔\n\n15:57.072 --> 15:59.653\n好謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢謝謝卓院長各相關部會所長的備詢謝謝接下來我們請登記第27號\n\n","segments":[{"start":16.846,"end":21.732,"text":"好 謝謝主席 又請行政院我們左院長麻煩再請左院長備詢議長好 我有15分鐘請教六個問題"},{"start":35.37,"end":60.202,"text":"第一個問題就是你禮拜四多久了,七十多年紀念會的時候,總統說酒再酒,為了要通締台灣你禮拜四做像很多台灣人這樣失去的社名他是一個獨裁者,獨裁者所犯下的滔天大罪"},{"start":61.249,"end":85.163,"text":"所以去年我也在這個地方請教,叫李洛媽熊處理在裡面,在紀念堂裡面的憲兵在那裡抄眼,現在刷出來外面未來,我希望進一步轉型正義的部分在這個特別對獨裁者的師父臨請跟大師臨請臨請的意思是什麼?"},{"start":90.799,"end":117.894,"text":"林鄭月娥屬於帝王的墳墓就像這個帝王把他的神格化變成一個帝王為獨裁者蓋一個慈福陵寢他哪裡慈啊他一點都不慈白色恐怖的蔣經國還有一個大勢陵寢而都有我們的國軍在那"},{"start":119.876,"end":143.876,"text":"戰哨戰哨是說還有相關的這個交接這個浪費國家的這個兵力浪費國家的資源為一個獨裁者這個部分可能也一定要請教國防部還有文化部這個相關這兩部分我想請教一下卓院長您的看法怎麼樣未來要怎麼樣針對這個這兩個獨裁者的這個領請"},{"start":148.616,"end":173.766,"text":"謝謝委員我這個有這個機會向委員也向大家說明那天我是全程在場在總統當場的講話我們聽到他的真正他的意義是希望台灣這個中華民國這個國家民主的國家要告別那種封建的帝王式的您說的以及那種在族群之間或是文化之間落差所造成的傷害是希望以後都不會再發生"},{"start":174.761,"end":192.22,"text":"所以我們他在那邊講話原意在這裡那不會發生重要我們要從有真相道歉到究責這三個部分要很清楚的向社會也向受害人表達一個政府基本的態度那對獨裁者的我們的態度"},{"start":193.24,"end":222.735,"text":"也很重要啊是我不能還能派國家的資源國家的衛兵國家的這個國軍去為一個這個獨裁者去守他的墳墓這沒有道理這個未來一定要拿出積極的做法這個要落實這個是一個關鍵這個過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情也希望能夠處理但是就社會的共識跟這些"},{"start":223.789,"end":251.014,"text":"家屬的意見還沒有達到一致但是我們認為衛兵的財色有那麼困難嗎我想請教部長我們認為我們現在應該就整個國家的環境裡面是應該有適當的處理方法可以讓他們有一個安心的地方我了解但是衛兵的財色為一個獨裁者有派那麼多衛兵這個30人的鞭制這為什麼不能把它為什麼不能這個一定要在那邊操演嗎一定要在那邊駐守嗎"},{"start":253.627,"end":274.557,"text":"這個部長我回答一下因為有一個去年7月15號原來是在大廳的那個一對那個是條例我了解但是這個所謂領請這是辦法 辦法是可以修改的我現在講中央紀念堂以下來做的結果給委員了解一下"},{"start":275.097,"end":297.73,"text":"就是我們在部長那個我都了解因為我諮詢的關係我說你這個所謂中正那個是屬於這個條例那是法律那是辦法 零錢是相關的辦法 辦法是可以修改的是屬於行政命令就可以修改的但你要不要做而已我想這個議題我大概就到這邊希望說院長以您的高度然後兩位部長能夠重視這個問題"},{"start":299.878,"end":324.608,"text":"好,第二個問題想請教,兩位部長先請這個中國藉由兩岸的交流對台灣進行統戰的滲透特別是有一些藝人在中國發展他演藝事業這個情況之下會變成說,變成他宣傳的一個工具所以,譬如說最近發表對台灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章"},{"start":325.816,"end":347.261,"text":"那當然總統說話,就是說主管機關應當對中國藝人的相關的管理或者輔導要有一些明確的措施但我覺得這些只是道德的勸說所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例人民關係條例第九條,第九條搭配法則第九十一條"},{"start":348.479,"end":373.245,"text":"把這個樣態寫出來,不只藝人,相關的國人如果在中國對台灣的主權相關的傷害的言論當然要受到一定法的規範,甚至要有相關的裁罰裁罰,我是搭配兩岸人民關係條例裁罰的標準,當然是五萬人裁罰有很多鄉親跟我說,這裁罰太輕了"},{"start":375.08,"end":398.729,"text":"我想請教我這樣子提這兩樣的難民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為這樣子呢 相互相承這個我想請教一下院長的意見我覺得藝人應該很清楚自開始的時候來自台灣國人的掌聲才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展"},{"start":399.687,"end":420.68,"text":"但是如果因為嚮往或是看到以為中國大陸的那樣的市場但是忘了這個生養他的地方會讓他斷了根而且中國的地方你看多少藝人去想抓就抓財產想沒就沒這個部分絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的所以我認為還是讓他們希望能夠把根留在台灣"},{"start":421.56,"end":444.06,"text":"這是道德勸說,道德勸說沒有用我們會發展我們自己強而有力的以台灣本土為主的一個主流以台流的文化來強化我們自己內部那是一個長期的過程,那是一個理想化的狀態但是他們迫於無奈,他們有很多的這個是沒有辦法自我選擇的這個是中性行為,但是要記得掌聲給他們是從台灣開始的"},{"start":446.121,"end":452.391,"text":"但他們不會這麼想那我從法治方面去修改然後一定的法律規範一定的這個處罰那個陸委會的立場"},{"start":455.891,"end":475.311,"text":"謝謝邱委員 謝謝您的用心如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡面定清楚那當然在我們做規範樂觀其成對 我這邊是樂觀其成以我的版本當作行政院的版本這個部分我們再來跟委員來演繹好 謝謝這個就是"},{"start":477.802,"end":498.345,"text":"怎麼樣用法制面再補充現有法制面的不足讓他們的相關作為有一些約束謝謝邱主委第三個問題我想是台灣駐外代表證明的進度在2021年我還是請外交部吳次長麻煩請外交部備詢"},{"start":499.4,"end":515.547,"text":"我在2021年我就開記者會希望外交部有一個推動正名小組能夠通令所有的駐外館處能夠積極在台灣一片友好的國際環境當中能夠推動所有的外館都是以台灣為名"},{"start":517.288,"end":543.628,"text":"我希望這個當作外館考核的一個重要指標而不是只有美國美國當然 美國跨黨參議員提出的台灣自民法這非常好但是這個過程需要很多的努力我希望說 國外交部能夠組成一個推動證明小組通令各館住能夠確實去執行達成這個目標我想請教一下吳次長您的"},{"start":546.39,"end":574.516,"text":"報告委員其實那個更改就是管署證明還牽扯到一個比較複雜的問題就是我們要更改的那個管署跟他承載來自中國壓力的一個問題很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力的所以以我在法國六年多的一個經驗事實上是先我們先把多在對外的說明多加上台灣"},{"start":575.556,"end":599.622,"text":"那多加上台灣之後讓大家在使用的時候多使用這個會變成一個 變成一個 一個就大家都會不一不一的使用你要講我都了解我的用意很簡單我希望說外交部要有一個小組要通靈跟管束每一個作為管束都一定有他的難度啦難度不一但是一定要努力可操是在在己的部分你要通靈給這個"},{"start":601.042,"end":629.943,"text":"這個駐外的大使你要想方設法用盡任何關係短期、長期、中期總是要有一些進展每一個駐外管束都有不同的狀況我都理解但是一定要正視這個問題如果我們不做這名稱永遠不會改所以這是一個長期的目標另外格力蘭最近一位川普對格力蘭的看法格力蘭選舉昨天才落幕但我們跟格力蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠"},{"start":631.479,"end":654.446,"text":"你從哥本漢過去大概只有五個小時現在是我們住的代表住所管轄它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置它有稀土 還有資源 還有漁產還有美國的基地在那邊也有一些科研的基地我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動"},{"start":655.834,"end":678.522,"text":"那經過我去了解,我目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格力蘭的議會31席沒有任何的互動我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動雖然政黨有換,但是基本的立場沒有變但是四海皆是朋友所以不能說他比較遙遠,我們就完全沒有跟他接觸"},{"start":679.995,"end":705.591,"text":"況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足啦況且很多能源開發也許我們台灣可以Do something市長您的意見我想格力蘭當然像剛才委員講的他是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的我們現在跟丹麥其實還有一些其實也是一些名城的問題我們有待解決"},{"start":706.601,"end":717.228,"text":"那我想我們一定會遵照委員的一個訓練訓練那個駐丹麥的代表先期比較不冷的時候我想再組個團去"},{"start":718.993,"end":746.31,"text":"去了解一下這個當地的環境他們追求獨立的雖然只有5萬7000人口是臺灣的面積200倍如果有機會的話我也希望說能夠跟他們有一些的互動不管是國會或者行政部門謝謝吳次長好 謝謝委員第四個問題是經濟方面就是說面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷我想這部分可能要請到郭部長請經濟部郭部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢"},{"start":749.418,"end":775.816,"text":"這個部分我們在南部南部是傳統的製造業傳統產業為主傳統產業他們有一點想法有一點抱怨政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI水電完全供應所有的政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助當然這不完全是事實"},{"start":778.868,"end":803.886,"text":"但是他們有一些抱怨是我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了我們是不是不再顧我們傳統產業我們就是發展AI跟半導體特別我在江山是螺絲扣件是鋼鐵所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0來讓從傳統產業能夠轉型能夠有更多的競爭力能夠讓他們安心是政府永遠做你們的後盾"},{"start":805.037,"end":817.326,"text":"所以我擔心這個高國民所的情況之下是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響所造成的結果但你不要忘了很多中南部的從業人口都是做這個傳統產業"},{"start":820.02,"end":845.265,"text":"所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統業者知道政府絕對是拿出具體的做法跟資源讓你們安心協助你們轉型讓你們維持競爭力這部分這個報告委員對於AI來協助這個中小微企業成長的部分我們大概有兩個做法第一個就是他需要的訂單我們從通路上面來支持他第二個"},{"start":845.985,"end":859.872,"text":"在AI的訓練上面 除了數位化我想他們不一定能夠完全的了解所以我們就是讓他習作我們會責成我們所屬的這些機構我讓他來做"},{"start":866.255,"end":888.86,"text":"所以我有感激來同心善你要有這個整個大戰略 傳統產業升級轉型2.0你要明確 傳統產業中哪一部分 工體的 後建的 那就九塊這個各有它的問題 土地問題 資金的問題 人才的問題 或者勞動力的問題沒有錯 我們現在就是用AI進入整個 它需要生產的"},{"start":889.42,"end":910.446,"text":"那我們協助他進入那個生產的這個情境如果他是服務業的我們也讓他進入服務業的這個情境來讓他習作學習不是只有學也讓他習作政策要落實需要一點時間我了解但是你要讓這個中小企業組傳統企業傳統產業中小企業讓他們了解政府的確"},{"start":913.647,"end":932.853,"text":"有權利吸收他們但是他們反應給我說他們好像是政策的企鵝一樣要求部長我們更廣泛大規模的跟中小企業做說明我們做了一些比較分散型的集中起來做說明希望淨零轉型不會給他帶來成本的負擔"},{"start":957.072,"end":959.653,"text":"好 謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝接下來我們請登記第27號"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":381,"blocks":[["邱委員志偉：（16時16分）謝謝主席，有請行政院卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：邱委員好。"],["邱委員志偉：院長你好，我用15分鐘請教6個問題。第一個問題就是二二八事件剛過78週年，紀念會的時候，總統說：蔣介石為了要統治臺灣，二二八事件造成很多臺灣人失去生命，他是一個獨裁者，獨裁者犯下的滔天大罪。去年我也在這個地方跟你請教，結果你就馬上處理，在紀念堂裡面的憲兵在那邊操演，現在移出來外面，未來我希望在轉型正義的部分，能夠進一步特別對獨裁者的這個……像是慈湖陵寢跟大溪陵寢，陵寢的意思是什麼？陵寢的意思是──帝王的墳墓。蔣介石是帝王嗎？把他神格化成一個帝王，為獨裁者蓋一個慈湖陵寢，他哪裡慈？他一點都不慈。白色恐怖的蔣經國還有一個大溪陵寢，都有我們國軍在那邊站哨，站哨之外還有相關的交接，浪費國家的兵力、浪費國家的資源，為了一個獨裁者，這部分可能也一併要請教國防部還有文化部，這兩個部會的業務……"],["主席：請國防部還有文化部備詢。"],["邱委員志偉：我想請教一下卓院長，您的看法怎麼樣？針對這兩個獨裁者的陵寢未來要怎麼處理呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員讓我有這個機會向委員也向大家說明，那天我是全程在場，總統當場的講話，我們聽到他真正的意義是希望臺灣、中華民國這個民主國家要告別封建的、帝王式的，正如您說的那種，以及在族群之間或是文化之間落差所造成的傷害，希望以後都不會再發生，所以他那天講話的原意在這裡，除了不會發生，更重要的要有真相、道歉到究責，這三個部分要很清楚的向社會也向受害人表達政府的基本態度。"],["邱委員志偉：我們對獨裁者的態度也很重要，不能還派國家的資源，國家的衛兵、國家的國軍去為一個獨裁者守他的墳墓，這沒有道理，未來一定要拿出積極的做法，轉型正義要落實，這是一個關鍵。"],["卓院長榮泰：過去的總統也曾經處理過類似這樣的事情，也希望能夠處理，但是就社會共識跟這些家屬的意見還沒有達到一致，但是我們認為……"],["邱委員志偉：衛兵裁撤有那麼困難嗎？我想請教部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們認為現在應該就整個國家環境有適當的處理方法，可以讓他們有一個安心的地方。"],["邱委員志偉：我了解，但是關於衛兵的裁撤，為一個獨裁者派那麼多衛兵，這個30人的編制，為什麼不能把他……一定要在那邊操演嗎？一定要在那邊駐守嗎？"],["李部長遠：我回答一下。去年7月15日原來在大廳的儀隊……"],["邱委員志偉：那個是條例，我了解。但陵寢的這個是辦法，辦法是可以修改的。"],["李部長遠：我現在講中正紀念堂所做的結果給委員了解一下。就是說我們在……"],["邱委員志偉：部長，那個我都了解，因為我質詢的關係。你說中正那個，那是屬於條例，是法律；但這個是辦法，陵寢是相關的辦法，而辦法是可以修改的，是行政命令就可以修改的，就看你要不要做而已。我想這個議題我大概就講到這邊，我希望院長能以您的高度，並請兩位部長能夠重視這個問題。好，兩位部長先請回座。","第二個問題，中國藉由兩岸交流對臺灣進行統戰的滲透，特別是有些藝人在中國發展演藝事業，在這個情況之下，會變成他宣傳的工具，比如最近發表對臺灣主權傷害的言論或者轉貼一些文章。總統說主管機關應當對在中國的藝人相關管理或輔導要有一些明確的措施，我覺得這只是道德勸說，所以我提案修改兩岸人民關係條例。即兩岸人民關係條例第九條搭配罰則第九十一條，把樣態寫出來，而且不只藝人，相關的國人如果在中國對臺灣的主權有相關的傷害言論，當然要受到一定的法規範，甚至要有相關的裁罰。我搭配兩岸人民關係條例的裁罰標準處五萬裁罰，但很多鄉親跟我說裁罰太輕了，所以我想請教，我提兩岸人民關係條例的修法搭配你們相關的行政作為，如此相輔相成，我想請教一下院長的意見。"],["卓院長榮泰：我覺得藝人應該很清楚，開始的時候是來自臺灣國人的掌聲，才讓他們在文化事業上有所進展。如果因為嚮往或看到中國大陸那樣的市場，忘了這個生養他的地方，這樣會讓他斷了根！你看有多少藝人去中國？但想抓就抓，財產想沒就沒，這絕對不是一個穩定的民主社會該有的。所以我還是希望他們能把根留在臺灣，但可向全世界去發展。"],["邱委員志偉：那只是道德勸說，沒有用！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會發展我們自己強而有力的、以臺灣本土為主的一個主流，以臺流的文化來強化我們自己……"],["邱委員志偉：那是一個長期的過程，是一個理想化的狀態。他們迫於無奈，他們有很多時候是沒有辦法自我選擇的……"],["卓院長榮泰：這個是中性行為，但是要記得，給他們掌聲的是從臺灣開始的。"],["邱委員志偉：他們不會這麼想！所以我從法制面去修改，有一定的法律規範、一定的處罰，請問陸委會的立場。"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝邱委員您的用心。如果相關的違法樣態能夠在法律裡定清楚，當然我們在做規範……"],["邱委員志偉：樂觀其成？"],["邱主任委員垂正：對，我這邊是樂觀其成。"],["邱委員志偉：以我的版本當作行政院的版本？"],["邱主任委員垂正：這部分我們再來跟委員研議。"],["邱委員志偉：謝謝。這就是怎麼樣用法制面去補充現有法制面的不足，對他們的相關作為有一些約束，謝謝邱主委。","第三個問題是臺灣駐外代表處正名的進度，我請外交部吳次長。"],["主席：麻煩請外交部備詢。"],["邱委員志偉：在2021年我就召開記者會，希望外交部能有推動正名的小組通令所有駐外館處，積極在一片對臺灣友好的國際環境當中，推動所有外館都以臺灣為名，我希望這個能當作外館考核的重要指標，而不是只有美國。當然，美國跨黨派參議員提出臺灣正名法，這非常好，但過程需要很多的努力，我希望外交部能組成推動正名小組，通令各館處確實執行，達成目標，我想請教一下吳次長。"],["吳次長志中：報告委員，其實更改館處正名還牽涉到一個比較複雜的問題，就是我們要更改館處的名稱要承載來自中國壓力的問題，很多國家是無法承載來自中國的壓力，所以以我在法國六年多的經驗，事實上我們是先把在對外的說明多加上「臺灣」，多加上「臺灣」之後，當大家使用得多了以後，這個就會變成一個大家的習慣……"],["邱委員志偉：次長，容我打斷您，您要講的我都了解，我的用意也很簡單，我希望外交部要有一個小組，要通令各館處，每一個駐外館處都一定有他的難度啦，難度不一，但是一定要努力，可操之在己的部分，你要通令給駐外的大使，要想方設法用盡任何關係，短期、中期、長期，總是要有一些進展嘛！每一個駐外館處都有不同的狀況，我都理解，但是一定要正視這個問題，如果我們不做，這個名稱永遠不會改，所以這是一個長期的目標。","另外，格陵蘭最近因為川普對格陵蘭的看法引發關注，格陵蘭選舉昨天才落幕，我們跟格陵蘭的距離其實沒有那麼遠，從哥本哈根過去大概只有5個小時，現在是由我們駐丹麥代表處所管轄，它是北京航道的一個重要戰略位置，它有稀土、有資源，還有漁產，還有美國的基地在那邊，也有一些科研的基地，我們不能完全跟格陵蘭沒有任何的互動。經過我去了解，我們目前駐丹麥辦事處過去跟格陵蘭議會的31席沒有任何的互動，我是覺得還是要跟他們有互動，雖然政黨有換，但是基本的立場沒有變。四海之內皆是朋友，所以不能因為它比較遙遠，我們就完全沒有跟它接觸，況且未來有很多他們基礎建設不足的地方，很多的能源開發，也許我們臺灣可以do something，次長，您的意見？"],["吳次長志中：我想格陵蘭當然像剛才委員所講的，它是我們駐丹麥代表處那邊所負責的，我們現在跟丹麥其實也是有一些名稱的問題有待解決，我想我們一定會遵照委員的訓令，要求駐丹麥的代表……"],["邱委員志偉：天氣比較不冷的時候，我想組個團去了解一下當地的環境，他們追求獨立，雖然只有5.7萬的人口，但面積是臺灣的200倍，如果有機會的話，我也希望能夠跟他們有一些互動，不管是國會或者行政部門。謝謝吳次長。"],["吳次長志中：謝謝委員。"],["邱委員志偉：第四個問題是經濟方面，就是面對關稅戰跟中國的傾銷，我想這部分可能要請經濟部郭部長備詢。"],["主席：麻煩請經濟部長備詢。"],["邱委員志偉：有關這個部分，我們南部是以傳統製造業、傳統產業為主，傳統產業他們有一點想法、有一點抱怨，就是他們認為政府把所有資源集中在半導體跟AI，水電完全供應，所有政策的焦點都放在AI跟半導體，傳統的製造業比較少得到政府的關愛或者是協助，當然這不完全是事實，但是他們有一些抱怨是質疑我們是不是要放棄傳統產業了？是不是不再顧我們的傳統產業了，就是發展AI跟半導體？特別我的選區岡山是螺絲釦件、是鋼鐵的重鎮，所以我覺得應該趕快推動傳統產業升級轉型2.0，讓傳統產業能夠轉型，能夠有更多的競爭力，能夠讓他們安心，知道政府會永遠做他們的後盾。我擔心在高國民所得的情況之下，是由產業發展不均衡所造成的影響、所造成的結果，但是你不要忘了，很多中南部的從業人口都是做傳統產業，所以我覺得經濟部或者行政院或政府應該讓傳統產業業者知道，政府絕對是會拿出具體的作法跟資源讓他們安心，會協助他們轉型，讓他們維持競爭力。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，對於AI來協助中小微企業成長的部分，我們大概有兩個作法，第一個就是他們需要的訂單，我們從通路上面來支持它，第二個，在AI的訓練上面，我想數位化他們不一定能夠完全的了解，所以我們就是讓他們習作，我們會責成所屬的這些機構，讓它來訓練……"],["邱委員志偉：傳統產業有很多類別……"],["郭部長智輝：沒有啦，我們讓他們來學、來做，我有那個工廠來幫他們生產……"],["邱委員志偉：我的意思是說，你要有整個大戰略，傳統產業升級轉型2.0要很明確，傳統產業的哪一部分，鋼鐵的、扣件的、石化的，各有它的問題，土地的問題、資金的問題、人才的問題或者勞動力的問題各有不同。"],["郭部長智輝：沒有錯，我們現在就是用AI來進入整個，如果是需要生產的，我們協助它進入那個生產的情境，如果是服務業的，我們也讓它進入服務業的情境，讓它去習作，學習不是只有學，也讓它習作。"],["邱委員志偉：部長，政策要落實需要一點時間我了解，但是你要讓傳統產業業者、中小企業主他們了解政府的確有全力在協助他們。"],["郭部長智輝：是的，我們現在……"],["邱委員志偉：但是他們反映給我的是說，他們好像是政策的棄兒一樣！"],["郭部長智輝：沒有這種事情！"],["卓院長榮泰：我會要求部長，我們更廣泛、大規模的跟中小微企業做說明，我們做了一些比較分散型的，集中起來做說明，希望淨零轉型不會給它帶來成本的負擔，數位轉型我們替它訓練足夠的人力來協助他們。"],["邱委員志偉：時間只剩5秒鐘，白埔產業園區位在我的選區，它是未來非常好的地點、區位，我希望部長能夠支持，院長能夠去了解。未來台積電去那邊設廠是最好的、最棒的地點，交通方便……"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長先去現場看一下，好不好？"],["郭部長智輝：好的。"],["邱委員志偉：部長，找個時間我們去了解一下。"],["卓院長榮泰：現場看一下。"],["邱委員志偉：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及各相關部會首長的備詢，謝謝。","接下來我們請登記第26號呂玉玲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":104,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","王育敏","邱議瑩","陳昭姿","賴瑞隆","萬美玲","王世堅","羅廷瑋","邱志偉","呂玉玲","陳冠廷","游顥"],"page_start":28,"meetingDate":["2025-03-14"],"gazette_id":"1142601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142601_00002","1142601_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1142601_00003"}}}