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00:03:14,214\n原住民的地方我們從八十萬提高到一百萬那至於有些水庫周遭或者是受到污染的地區我們也會從八十萬提高到一百萬所以我們已經有計畫也提高了補助的這種上限那預算的部分我認為啦我認為這個部分是不應該被刪減的不應該水電是重要民生必需應該不應該被刪減所以我們還是會有相關的預算可以來指引\n\n9\n00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:30,511\n這個部分還是要麻煩院長那責成各部會我們一起想辦法不過我們現在困難就是說本項預算沒有刪減可是很多業務會被刪減所以在執行上會變成說有預算但是執行過程會發生極大的困難\n\n10\n00:03:31,292 --> 00:03:58,793\n所以也想利用這個機會也是因為我看到很多鄉親特別針對自來水的這些相關的意見一直傳達給我們那我們也希望透過這個機會能夠跟在野黨也希望我們的百姓民眾能夠跟在野黨的立法委員好好的跟他們溝通請他們能夠在預算的方面特別是這種跟我們偏鄉相關的部分也是給他們一些壓力讓他們能夠知道說政府的這些預算對於一般民生是有很大的影響的\n\n11\n00:03:59,574 --> 00:04:05,581\n那再來就是還是要替我們大埔鄉也就是鄭文水庫所招的這些居民再次請命\n\n12\n00:04:06,584 --> 00:04:31,955\n因為許多的民眾特別是我們現在高齡化的社會那有一些是用簡易自來水可是需要有人維護但是當這些維護者的這些民眾他的年齡增加的時候其實他們也是希望說能夠盡量可以的話就是用自來水一般的自來水或者來去嚴管所以這一部分我還是希望說院長能夠來去全力協助我們這些比較偏遠山區的民眾這樣好不好\n\n13\n00:04:32,483 --> 00:04:41,256\n好的謝謝我們這次在施政報告中有跟委員報告我們不僅要新的治水我們也要有新的供水就讓人家喝到安全無餘的水\n\n14\n00:04:42,137 --> 00:05:10,078\n簡而言之就是這一次我還是在強調就是希望說用戶的接管比例跟這個不要用投資效益來去評估而是把最後的一里路把它接上來讓我們的民眾能夠用到安全的水這個還是特別是山區其實也不是我們嘉義縣山區鄰近的從台南嘉義彰化台中甚至在更山區的南投他們都是需要這樣子的接管的所以還是這個地方還是要再強烈\n\n15\n00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:20,956\n的要求各部會然後特別是自來水公司能夠來去協助那第二個部分跟交通比較有關係是不是請部長麻煩請交通部長必選\n\n16\n00:05:24,537 --> 00:05:44,026\n院長我先簡單背景跟我們的這些官員來簡單介紹就是我們的太平我們的梅山纜車太平雲梯其實太平雲梯自2017年以來已經吸引百萬的遊客可是他們面臨幾個問題第一個就是交通的這個堵車\n\n17\n00:05:45,146 --> 00:06:12,443\n那針對梅山纜車還有太平華索兩項計畫先前我有跟交通部觀光署有辦一些相關的意見的說明會那我們有請我們地方的代表村長然後這個鄉鎮的這些代表還有鄰近的這些地方的議員跟一些協會都有來去參與那會中有提到說可不可以在2025年底前開啟可行性的評估\n\n18\n00:06:14,586 --> 00:06:24,962\n讓這個能夠在2030年代有營運的可能我想請問院長和部長這兩項計畫交通部是不是有沒有接到相關的資訊那能不能夠跟我們一起努力推動\n\n19\n00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:41,978\n報告委員之前您有會勘過阿里山的管理處也有參與到那這個纜車的部分它的主管機關是地方政府那我們會盡量來協助地方政府至於可行性評估的部分因為這個是阿里山管理處的範圍內那我們會盡量來協助\n\n20\n00:06:44,943 --> 00:07:10,345\n好這個部分就是因為我們今天有跟縣府有在溝通一下他是說這個特別是可行性評估的部分這算阿館處的一個職權他是希望說阿館處只要開始之後縣府這邊就會全力一起來推動這個部分是不是可以請院長也來責成這個阿館處來去加速這樣子的動作我們照部長剛剛所答覆的來進行好意思就是說可能會\n\n21\n00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:26,981\n有進度嗎?這個進度大概是怎麼樣?可不可以請...我請阿管處跟縣政府大家一起來協調這個可行性評估的部分大家要怎麼做大家有個共識我們就來進行那部長是不是可以給他們一個比較具體的時間表讓他們說比方說在今年\n\n22\n00:07:27,702 --> 00:07:56,414\n的這個年終我們必須要有一些會議來去確保說有這個好不好再麻煩一下最好是在年終之後就我們沒有要完成可行性評估我們是開啟可行性評估這樣子好謝謝謝謝部長那接下來就是針對農業的部分那部長可以農業部長必須院長還是再提到我們山區的部分阿里山的部分那\n\n23\n00:07:57,401 --> 00:08:24,375\n我們阿以山地區有一個山葵的種植的發展那過去有很長蠻悠長的歷史在但是過去是在高山我們現在已經慢慢的把它移到中低海拔來去復育山葵可是有一些問題就是說它的這個海拔的環境跟傳統的這個高山環境不同所以農民需要克服的就是高溫跟病蟲害的問題\n\n24\n00:08:25,396 --> 00:08:51,313\n那現在我們阿里山當地的這些農民面臨的這個防治困難主要是因為現行法規下可以使用的合法的農藥的品項是有限的喔那所以說農民需要更多適合山葵富裕的這個病種防治害的這個農藥選項我想請問部長我們是沒有計畫來去評估適合台灣環境的這個農藥品項來去開放相關的合法農藥讓\n\n25\n00:08:52,795 --> 00:08:55,242\n這些農民能夠有效的防治病狀害\n\n26\n00:08:56,225 --> 00:09:22,673\n我想跟委員回應兩點第一點的部分就是山葵本來比較適合涼溫的大概是在海拔1500以上的那現在因為原住民部落特別是阿里山原住民部落他把它往下移那移了以後就會有所謂您剛才所說的熱障礙產生所以換句話說他整個栽培的模式可能必須要做一些調整那我們已經成立了一個輔導團隊去針對阿里山合作社的這些山葵的種植去做有系統的輔導\n\n27\n00:09:23,593 --> 00:09:46,059\n那您剛才講的第二點就是病蟲害是不是用藥是不是可以再增加的部分那兩個部分一個部分是現在目前的農藥都是針對可食部位就是它的根莖去做這些相關的農藥殘留的檢測但是還有一部分是山葵葉因為葉也可以做一些料理\n\n28\n00:09:46,619 --> 00:10:05,370\n所以合作社那邊也希望說針對這個葉片的料理的部分也能夠開放一些藥是可以用的那這個部分我們也改良廠也正在做一個評估那總而言之我想適當的一個栽培方式配合一些用藥的確可以讓山葵的生長會在阿里山會有另外一個產業發生\n\n29\n00:10:06,812 --> 00:10:20,273\n所以部長是不是可以給我們就是因為你們現在是在有相關的研究那會不會有一些進度上面你可以跟我們稍微講一下我想我們已經進展進度都可以\n\n30\n00:10:21,282 --> 00:10:46,192\n我想我們整個的包括台南廠還有我們的高雄廠還有我們的調度所已經成立一個輔導團隊這個輔導團隊已經跟合作社聯繫上了所以我們也會用他的廠域去做相關的研究包括帶質的部分因為帶質的部分比種在土裡面比較能夠克服熱障礙那這個部分我想我們會直接跟那個合作社的那個農民來溝通\n\n31\n00:10:47,412 --> 00:11:11,605\n好太好了因為現在特別是我們這個山葵這是我們嘉義縣主要現在包含我們的縣長翁縣長也是非常注重這一塊的富裕所以說我們是希望盡快能夠克服這些困難所以再麻煩部長能夠定下進度我們會來一起來努力好謝謝部長因為現在時間有限我想先從外交的部分番茄外交部備詢\n\n32\n00:11:26,983 --> 00:11:52,250\n市長好院長好其實這幾個月我們台灣的外交跟世界的外交局勢的變化是非常之大特別是新任的政府對於一些外交的政策是有一些變化在應對這些變化的時候我覺得我們作為國會議員還是有責任來跟所有的民眾來說明\n\n33\n00:11:53,871 --> 00:12:11,102\n特別是對發生在歐洲的事情我覺得市長也是曾經在築法那所以對整個局勢是很清楚的其實常常都聽到人家說俄國是風暴那中國是氣候變遷可是如果我們沒有辦法面對風暴那我們怎麼面對氣候變遷\n\n34\n00:12:12,628 --> 00:12:39,287\n所以很多民眾開始會把烏克蘭的命運跟台灣的命運來做一些分隔或者是說這個或者是有些比較惡意的就是說今日烏克蘭明日台灣其實不管怎麼說法我其實個人都覺得非常遺憾因為其實我們所在乎的不是烏克蘭一個國家而已我們是在乎的是一個整個國際的體系國際的秩序\n\n35\n00:12:41,428 --> 00:13:07,605\n是一個最基本的從這個二次世界大戰以來我們對主權國家不可以無端發起戰爭來侵略另外一個主權國家我想這個立場它不只是價值也符合我們國家的利益然後很多人都會說這個是民主價值在現今的社會上面現今的國際多變的社會上面沒有直接的幫助那我必須告訴大家\n\n36\n00:13:08,405 --> 00:13:14,465\n台灣就是因為在這樣由美國主導的國際體系之下來繁榮了數十年\n\n37\n00:13:15,498 --> 00:13:39,238\n由美國主導的這個從對德國的復興計畫開始到對整個歐洲的復興計畫美國對於國際秩序的重視才能夠讓我們走到今天我們也是在這個秩序的受益者這個秩序包含的是國際法包含的是尊重主權國家包含的是尊重像我們台灣、韓國這些中型國家所以\n\n38\n00:13:40,051 --> 00:13:54,056\n面對這樣子的局勢我想請教一下那特別是針對川普政府可能會退出國際組織一些其實已經蠻明顯的一些做法請問外交部是不是有一些具體的計畫\n\n39\n00:13:55,871 --> 00:14:24,750\n報告委員美國當然對世界衛生組織的貢獻最大他的在財務上的貢獻大概到去年為止占15%但是他不是唯一的那我們如果去細看在世界衛生組織裡面最大的貢獻這些國家其實還有包含歐盟就6%德國5%其實還有比爾蓋茲其實還是會留在裡面比爾蓋茲就10%你把這三個加起來也就超過美國了\n\n40\n00:14:25,831 --> 00:14:46,911\n那我剛才提到就是說其實錢裡面還有包含英國跟加拿大都是很大的貢獻國所以外交部目前具體的做法是繼續跟這些在美國離開之後然後在世界衛生組織裡面財務上貢獻多的跟他們加強關係然後希望尋求更多來自他們的支持然後使得我們參與世界衛生組織的動能\n\n41\n00:14:49,794 --> 00:15:08,531\n可以繼續維持也就是跟世界衛生組裡面最主要的角色扮演國維持重要的互動那這裡面中國其實他財務上的支持並不是那麼高可能只有1%而已所以我想跟這些最主要的角色扮演者維持動能我想是目前外交部具體的做法\n\n42\n00:15:09,111 --> 00:15:34,091\n謝謝次長我不需要再強調其實許多重要的國際組織包含歐洲的國家都扮演很重要的角色過去次長也是在法國過我們也感受到法國跟這些國家對我們的一些善意還有支持這一些國家一個一個都是海權國家都是重要的影響國我還是希望說我們加強對歐洲的關係這也是很重要一定不好意思時間\n\n43\n00:15:38,507 --> 00:15:39,910\n好謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢謝謝主委院長各部會首長的備詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16496\t20040\t我們是不是請 先請院長好 麻煩請卓院長備選\n31106\t54187\t謝謝陳維文好院長好院長這個我們總統就職以來那我們有一個很重要的一個核心就是我們施政的核心就是均衡台灣那均衡台灣裡面我還是想要再次強調就是包含在水資源的應用跟水資源的這個平權也是非常重要的\n54878\t72424\t那根據資料顯示我們嘉義縣的山區的一些鄉鎮從大埔鄉、梵路鄉、梅山鄉竹崎鄉、阿里山鄉還是有一些偏遠的這些村落仍然沒有辦法使用自來水那我特別講到大埔鄉的原因是因為曾文水庫就坐落在大埔鄉\n73024\t95854\t但是他們有一些群居的地方還是沒有辦法有這個自來水的供應那這些地區的這些居民長期都需要用山泉水而且是要用地下水所以說每逢這個旱季的時候或者是颱風過後那這些飲水的困難取水的困難都是非常大的風險\n97074\t117274\t所以目前自來水的評估的這個管線的延伸主要的依據是用用戶接管比例或者是用投資效益來去評估那這種是用成本利益為導向的這種標準可能對人口稀少的一些鄉村會比較不利我想請教\n119943\t139990\t院長因為我們知道今年有很多我們立法院朝野之間有很多的這一個攻防那其中當然就是預算的方式也是有受到很大的影響那請問院長如果現在院方有益補助的話或是改變我們現在的情況的話有沒有相關的裁員能夠支援\n141170\t163917\t在計畫裡面是有的我們在114到118這幾年當中我們現在無自來水地區供水改善第五期的計畫在實施進行當中那這裡會對於這個沿管的工程我們會提高補助一般的民眾我們最高的補助過去是八十萬六十萬我們提高到八十萬\n165284\t194214\t原住民的地方我們從八十萬提高到一百萬那至於有些水庫周遭或者是受到污染的地區我們也會從八十萬提高到一百萬所以我們已經有計畫也提高了補助的這種上限那預算的部分我認為啦我認為這個部分是不應該被刪減的不應該 水電是重要民生必需應該不應該被刪減所以我們還是會有相關的預算可以來指引\n194870\t210511\t這個部分還是要麻煩院長那責成各部會我們一起想辦法不過我們現在困難就是說本項預算沒有刪減可是很多業務會被刪減所以在執行上會變成說有預算但是執行過程會發生極大的困難\n211292\t238793\t所以也想利用這個機會也是因為我看到很多鄉親特別針對自來水的這些相關的意見一直傳達給我們那我們也希望透過這個機會能夠跟在野黨也希望我們的百姓民眾能夠跟在野黨的立法委員好好的跟他們溝通請他們能夠在預算的方面特別是這種跟我們偏鄉相關的部分也是給他們一些壓力讓他們能夠知道說政府的這些預算對於一般民生是有很大的影響的\n239574\t245581\t那再來就是還是要替我們大埔鄉也就是鄭文水庫所招的這些居民再次請命\n246584\t271955\t因為許多的民眾特別是我們現在高齡化的社會那有一些是用簡易自來水可是需要有人維護但是當這些維護者的這些民眾他的年齡增加的時候其實他們也是希望說能夠盡量可以的話就是用自來水一般的自來水或者來去嚴管所以這一部分我還是希望說院長能夠來去全力協助我們這些比較偏遠山區的民眾這樣好不好\n272483\t281256\t好的謝謝我們這次在施政報告中有跟委員報告我們不僅要新的治水我們也要有新的供水就讓人家喝到安全無餘的水\n282137\t310078\t簡而言之就是這一次我還是在強調就是希望說用戶的接管比例跟這個不要用投資效益來去評估而是把最後的一里路把它接上來讓我們的民眾能夠用到安全的水這個還是特別是山區其實也不是我們嘉義縣山區鄰近的從台南嘉義彰化台中甚至在更山區的南投他們都是需要這樣子的接管的所以還是這個地方還是要再強烈\n310759\t320956\t的要求各部會然後特別是自來水公司能夠來去協助那第二個部分跟交通比較有關係是不是請部長麻煩請交通部長必選\n324537\t344026\t院長我先簡單背景跟我們的這些官員來簡單介紹就是我們的太平我們的梅山纜車太平雲梯其實太平雲梯自2017年以來已經吸引百萬的遊客可是他們面臨幾個問題第一個就是交通的這個堵車\n345146\t372443\t那針對梅山纜車還有太平華索兩項計畫先前我有跟交通部觀光署有辦一些相關的意見的說明會那我們有請我們地方的代表村長然後這個鄉鎮的這些代表還有鄰近的這些地方的議員跟一些協會都有來去參與那會中有提到說可不可以在2025年底前開啟可行性的評估\n374586\t384962\t讓這個能夠在2030年代有營運的可能我想請問院長和部長這兩項計畫交通部是不是有沒有接到相關的資訊那能不能夠跟我們一起努力推動\n386940\t401978\t報告委員 之前您有會勘過阿里山的管理處也有參與到那這個纜車的部分它的主管機關是地方政府那我們會盡量來協助地方政府至於可行性評估的部分因為這個是阿里山管理處的範圍內那我們會盡量來協助\n404943\t430345\t好這個部分就是因為我們今天有跟縣府有在溝通一下他是說這個特別是可行性評估的部分這算阿館處的一個職權他是希望說阿館處只要開始之後縣府這邊就會全力一起來推動這個部分是不是可以請院長也來責成這個阿館處來去加速這樣子的動作我們照部長剛剛所答覆的來進行好意思就是說可能會\n432079\t446981\t有進度嗎?這個進度大概是怎麼樣?可不可以請...我請阿管處跟縣政府大家一起來協調這個可行性評估的部分大家要怎麼做大家有個共識我們就來進行那部長是不是可以給他們一個比較具體的時間表讓他們說比方說在今年\n447702\t476414\t的這個年終我們必須要有一些會議來去確保說有這個好不好再麻煩一下最好是在年終之後就我們沒有要完成可行性評估我們是開啟可行性評估這樣子好謝謝謝謝部長那接下來就是針對農業的部分那部長可以農業部長必須院長還是再提到我們山區的部分阿里山的部分那\n477401\t504375\t我們阿以山地區有一個山葵的種植的發展那過去有很長蠻悠長的歷史在但是過去是在高山我們現在已經慢慢的把它移到中低海拔來去復育山葵可是有一些問題就是說它的這個海拔的環境跟傳統的這個高山環境不同所以農民需要克服的就是高溫跟病蟲害的問題\n505396\t531313\t那現在我們阿里山當地的這些農民面臨的這個防治困難主要是因為現行法規下可以使用的合法的農藥的品項是有限的喔那所以說農民需要更多適合山葵富裕的這個病種防治害的這個農藥選項我想請問部長我們是沒有計畫來去評估適合台灣環境的這個農藥品項來去開放相關的合法農藥讓\n532795\t535242\t這些農民能夠有效的防治病狀害\n536225\t562673\t我想跟委員回應兩點第一點的部分就是山葵本來比較適合涼溫的大概是在海拔1500以上的那現在因為原住民部落特別是阿里山原住民部落他把它往下移那移了以後就會有所謂您剛才所說的熱障礙產生所以換句話說他整個栽培的模式可能必須要做一些調整那我們已經成立了一個輔導團隊去針對阿里山合作社的這些山葵的種植去做有系統的輔導\n563593\t586059\t那您剛才講的第二點就是病蟲害是不是用藥是不是可以再增加的部分那兩個部分一個部分是現在目前的農藥都是針對可食部位就是它的根莖去做這些相關的農藥殘留的檢測但是還有一部分是山葵葉因為葉也可以做一些料理\n586619\t605370\t所以合作社那邊也希望說針對這個葉片的料理的部分也能夠開放一些藥是可以用的那這個部分我們也改良廠也正在做一個評估那總而言之我想適當的一個栽培方式配合一些用藥的確可以讓山葵的生長會在阿里山會有另外一個產業發生\n606812\t620273\t所以部長是不是可以給我們就是因為你們現在是在有相關的研究那會不會有一些進度上面你可以跟我們稍微講一下我想我們已經進展進度都可以\n621282\t646192\t我想我們整個的包括台南廠還有我們的高雄廠還有我們的調度所已經成立一個輔導團隊這個輔導團隊已經跟合作社聯繫上了所以我們也會用他的廠域去做相關的研究包括帶質的部分因為帶質的部分比種在土裡面比較能夠克服熱障礙那這個部分我想我們會直接跟那個合作社的那個農民來溝通\n647412\t671605\t好太好了因為現在特別是我們這個山葵這是我們嘉義縣主要現在包含我們的縣長翁縣長也是非常注重這一塊的富裕所以說我們是希望盡快能夠克服這些困難所以再麻煩部長能夠定下進度我們會來一起來努力好謝謝部長因為現在時間有限我想先從外交的部分番茄外交部備詢\n686983\t712250\t市長好 院長好其實這幾個月我們台灣的外交跟世界的外交局勢的變化是非常之大特別是新任的政府對於一些外交的政策是有一些變化在應對這些變化的時候我覺得我們作為國會議員還是有責任來跟所有的民眾來說明\n713871\t731102\t特別是對發生在歐洲的事情我覺得市長也是曾經在築法那所以對整個局勢是很清楚的其實常常都聽到人家說俄國是風暴那中國是氣候變遷可是如果我們沒有辦法面對風暴那我們怎麼面對氣候變遷\n732628\t759287\t所以很多民眾開始會把烏克蘭的命運跟台灣的命運來做一些分隔或者是說這個或者是有些比較惡意的就是說今日烏克蘭明日台灣其實不管怎麼說法我其實個人都覺得非常遺憾因為其實我們所在乎的不是烏克蘭一個國家而已我們是在乎的是一個整個國際的體系國際的秩序\n761428\t787605\t是一個最基本的從這個二次世界大戰以來我們對主權國家不可以無端發起戰爭來侵略另外一個主權國家我想這個立場它不只是價值也符合我們國家的利益然後很多人都會說這個是民主價值在現今的社會上面現今的國際多變的社會上面沒有直接的幫助那我必須告訴大家\n788405\t794465\t台灣就是因為在這樣由美國主導的國際體系之下來繁榮了數十年\n795498\t819238\t由美國主導的這個從對德國的復興計畫開始到對整個歐洲的復興計畫美國對於國際秩序的重視才能夠讓我們走到今天我們也是在這個秩序的受益者這個秩序包含的是國際法包含的是尊重主權國家包含的是尊重像我們台灣、韓國這些中型國家所以\n820051\t834056\t面對這樣子的局勢我想請教一下那特別是針對川普政府可能會退出國際組織一些其實已經蠻明顯的一些做法請問外交部是不是有一些具體的計畫\n835871\t864750\t報告委員美國當然對世界衛生組織的貢獻最大他的在財務上的貢獻大概到去年為止占15%但是他不是唯一的那我們如果去細看在世界衛生組織裡面最大的貢獻這些國家其實還有包含歐盟就6%德國5%其實還有比爾蓋茲其實還是會留在裡面比爾蓋茲就10%你把這三個加起來也就超過美國了\n865831\t886911\t那我剛才提到就是說其實錢裡面還有包含英國跟加拿大都是很大的貢獻國所以外交部目前具體的做法是繼續跟這些在美國離開之後然後在世界衛生組織裡面財務上貢獻多的跟他們加強關係然後希望尋求更多來自他們的支持然後使得我們參與世界衛生組織的動能\n889794\t908531\t可以繼續維持也就是跟世界衛生組裡面最主要的角色扮演國維持重要的互動那這裡面中國其實他財務上的支持並不是那麼高可能只有1%而已所以我想跟這些最主要的角色扮演者維持動能我想是目前外交部具體的做法\n909111\t934091\t謝謝次長 我不需要再強調其實許多重要的國際組織包含歐洲的國家都扮演很重要的角色過去次長也是在法國過我們也感受到法國跟這些國家對我們的一些善意還有支持這一些國家一個一個都是海權國家都是重要的影響國我還是希望說我們加強對歐洲的關係這也是很重要一定不好意思時間\n938507\t939910\t好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢謝謝主委院長 各部會首長的備詢\n","txt":"我們是不是請 先請院長好 麻煩請卓院長備選\n謝謝陳維文好院長好院長這個我們總統就職以來那我們有一個很重要的一個核心就是我們施政的核心就是均衡台灣那均衡台灣裡面我還是想要再次強調就是包含在水資源的應用跟水資源的這個平權也是非常重要的\n那根據資料顯示我們嘉義縣的山區的一些鄉鎮從大埔鄉、梵路鄉、梅山鄉竹崎鄉、阿里山鄉還是有一些偏遠的這些村落仍然沒有辦法使用自來水那我特別講到大埔鄉的原因是因為曾文水庫就坐落在大埔鄉\n但是他們有一些群居的地方還是沒有辦法有這個自來水的供應那這些地區的這些居民長期都需要用山泉水而且是要用地下水所以說每逢這個旱季的時候或者是颱風過後那這些飲水的困難取水的困難都是非常大的風險\n所以目前自來水的評估的這個管線的延伸主要的依據是用用戶接管比例或者是用投資效益來去評估那這種是用成本利益為導向的這種標準可能對人口稀少的一些鄉村會比較不利我想請教\n院長因為我們知道今年有很多我們立法院朝野之間有很多的這一個攻防那其中當然就是預算的方式也是有受到很大的影響那請問院長如果現在院方有益補助的話或是改變我們現在的情況的話有沒有相關的裁員能夠支援\n在計畫裡面是有的我們在114到118這幾年當中我們現在無自來水地區供水改善第五期的計畫在實施進行當中那這裡會對於這個沿管的工程我們會提高補助一般的民眾我們最高的補助過去是八十萬六十萬我們提高到八十萬\n原住民的地方我們從八十萬提高到一百萬那至於有些水庫周遭或者是受到污染的地區我們也會從八十萬提高到一百萬所以我們已經有計畫也提高了補助的這種上限那預算的部分我認為啦我認為這個部分是不應該被刪減的不應該 水電是重要民生必需應該不應該被刪減所以我們還是會有相關的預算可以來指引\n這個部分還是要麻煩院長那責成各部會我們一起想辦法不過我們現在困難就是說本項預算沒有刪減可是很多業務會被刪減所以在執行上會變成說有預算但是執行過程會發生極大的困難\n所以也想利用這個機會也是因為我看到很多鄉親特別針對自來水的這些相關的意見一直傳達給我們那我們也希望透過這個機會能夠跟在野黨也希望我們的百姓民眾能夠跟在野黨的立法委員好好的跟他們溝通請他們能夠在預算的方面特別是這種跟我們偏鄉相關的部分也是給他們一些壓力讓他們能夠知道說政府的這些預算對於一般民生是有很大的影響的\n那再來就是還是要替我們大埔鄉也就是鄭文水庫所招的這些居民再次請命\n因為許多的民眾特別是我們現在高齡化的社會那有一些是用簡易自來水可是需要有人維護但是當這些維護者的這些民眾他的年齡增加的時候其實他們也是希望說能夠盡量可以的話就是用自來水一般的自來水或者來去嚴管所以這一部分我還是希望說院長能夠來去全力協助我們這些比較偏遠山區的民眾這樣好不好\n好的謝謝我們這次在施政報告中有跟委員報告我們不僅要新的治水我們也要有新的供水就讓人家喝到安全無餘的水\n簡而言之就是這一次我還是在強調就是希望說用戶的接管比例跟這個不要用投資效益來去評估而是把最後的一里路把它接上來讓我們的民眾能夠用到安全的水這個還是特別是山區其實也不是我們嘉義縣山區鄰近的從台南嘉義彰化台中甚至在更山區的南投他們都是需要這樣子的接管的所以還是這個地方還是要再強烈\n的要求各部會然後特別是自來水公司能夠來去協助那第二個部分跟交通比較有關係是不是請部長麻煩請交通部長必選\n院長我先簡單背景跟我們的這些官員來簡單介紹就是我們的太平我們的梅山纜車太平雲梯其實太平雲梯自2017年以來已經吸引百萬的遊客可是他們面臨幾個問題第一個就是交通的這個堵車\n那針對梅山纜車還有太平華索兩項計畫先前我有跟交通部觀光署有辦一些相關的意見的說明會那我們有請我們地方的代表村長然後這個鄉鎮的這些代表還有鄰近的這些地方的議員跟一些協會都有來去參與那會中有提到說可不可以在2025年底前開啟可行性的評估\n讓這個能夠在2030年代有營運的可能我想請問院長和部長這兩項計畫交通部是不是有沒有接到相關的資訊那能不能夠跟我們一起努力推動\n報告委員 之前您有會勘過阿里山的管理處也有參與到那這個纜車的部分它的主管機關是地方政府那我們會盡量來協助地方政府至於可行性評估的部分因為這個是阿里山管理處的範圍內那我們會盡量來協助\n好這個部分就是因為我們今天有跟縣府有在溝通一下他是說這個特別是可行性評估的部分這算阿館處的一個職權他是希望說阿館處只要開始之後縣府這邊就會全力一起來推動這個部分是不是可以請院長也來責成這個阿館處來去加速這樣子的動作我們照部長剛剛所答覆的來進行好意思就是說可能會\n有進度嗎?這個進度大概是怎麼樣?可不可以請...我請阿管處跟縣政府大家一起來協調這個可行性評估的部分大家要怎麼做大家有個共識我們就來進行那部長是不是可以給他們一個比較具體的時間表讓他們說比方說在今年\n的這個年終我們必須要有一些會議來去確保說有這個好不好再麻煩一下最好是在年終之後就我們沒有要完成可行性評估我們是開啟可行性評估這樣子好謝謝謝謝部長那接下來就是針對農業的部分那部長可以農業部長必須院長還是再提到我們山區的部分阿里山的部分那\n我們阿以山地區有一個山葵的種植的發展那過去有很長蠻悠長的歷史在但是過去是在高山我們現在已經慢慢的把它移到中低海拔來去復育山葵可是有一些問題就是說它的這個海拔的環境跟傳統的這個高山環境不同所以農民需要克服的就是高溫跟病蟲害的問題\n那現在我們阿里山當地的這些農民面臨的這個防治困難主要是因為現行法規下可以使用的合法的農藥的品項是有限的喔那所以說農民需要更多適合山葵富裕的這個病種防治害的這個農藥選項我想請問部長我們是沒有計畫來去評估適合台灣環境的這個農藥品項來去開放相關的合法農藥讓\n這些農民能夠有效的防治病狀害\n我想跟委員回應兩點第一點的部分就是山葵本來比較適合涼溫的大概是在海拔1500以上的那現在因為原住民部落特別是阿里山原住民部落他把它往下移那移了以後就會有所謂您剛才所說的熱障礙產生所以換句話說他整個栽培的模式可能必須要做一些調整那我們已經成立了一個輔導團隊去針對阿里山合作社的這些山葵的種植去做有系統的輔導\n那您剛才講的第二點就是病蟲害是不是用藥是不是可以再增加的部分那兩個部分一個部分是現在目前的農藥都是針對可食部位就是它的根莖去做這些相關的農藥殘留的檢測但是還有一部分是山葵葉因為葉也可以做一些料理\n所以合作社那邊也希望說針對這個葉片的料理的部分也能夠開放一些藥是可以用的那這個部分我們也改良廠也正在做一個評估那總而言之我想適當的一個栽培方式配合一些用藥的確可以讓山葵的生長會在阿里山會有另外一個產業發生\n所以部長是不是可以給我們就是因為你們現在是在有相關的研究那會不會有一些進度上面你可以跟我們稍微講一下我想我們已經進展進度都可以\n我想我們整個的包括台南廠還有我們的高雄廠還有我們的調度所已經成立一個輔導團隊這個輔導團隊已經跟合作社聯繫上了所以我們也會用他的廠域去做相關的研究包括帶質的部分因為帶質的部分比種在土裡面比較能夠克服熱障礙那這個部分我想我們會直接跟那個合作社的那個農民來溝通\n好太好了因為現在特別是我們這個山葵這是我們嘉義縣主要現在包含我們的縣長翁縣長也是非常注重這一塊的富裕所以說我們是希望盡快能夠克服這些困難所以再麻煩部長能夠定下進度我們會來一起來努力好謝謝部長因為現在時間有限我想先從外交的部分番茄外交部備詢\n市長好 院長好其實這幾個月我們台灣的外交跟世界的外交局勢的變化是非常之大特別是新任的政府對於一些外交的政策是有一些變化在應對這些變化的時候我覺得我們作為國會議員還是有責任來跟所有的民眾來說明\n特別是對發生在歐洲的事情我覺得市長也是曾經在築法那所以對整個局勢是很清楚的其實常常都聽到人家說俄國是風暴那中國是氣候變遷可是如果我們沒有辦法面對風暴那我們怎麼面對氣候變遷\n所以很多民眾開始會把烏克蘭的命運跟台灣的命運來做一些分隔或者是說這個或者是有些比較惡意的就是說今日烏克蘭明日台灣其實不管怎麼說法我其實個人都覺得非常遺憾因為其實我們所在乎的不是烏克蘭一個國家而已我們是在乎的是一個整個國際的體系國際的秩序\n是一個最基本的從這個二次世界大戰以來我們對主權國家不可以無端發起戰爭來侵略另外一個主權國家我想這個立場它不只是價值也符合我們國家的利益然後很多人都會說這個是民主價值在現今的社會上面現今的國際多變的社會上面沒有直接的幫助那我必須告訴大家\n台灣就是因為在這樣由美國主導的國際體系之下來繁榮了數十年\n由美國主導的這個從對德國的復興計畫開始到對整個歐洲的復興計畫美國對於國際秩序的重視才能夠讓我們走到今天我們也是在這個秩序的受益者這個秩序包含的是國際法包含的是尊重主權國家包含的是尊重像我們台灣、韓國這些中型國家所以\n面對這樣子的局勢我想請教一下那特別是針對川普政府可能會退出國際組織一些其實已經蠻明顯的一些做法請問外交部是不是有一些具體的計畫\n報告委員美國當然對世界衛生組織的貢獻最大他的在財務上的貢獻大概到去年為止占15%但是他不是唯一的那我們如果去細看在世界衛生組織裡面最大的貢獻這些國家其實還有包含歐盟就6%德國5%其實還有比爾蓋茲其實還是會留在裡面比爾蓋茲就10%你把這三個加起來也就超過美國了\n那我剛才提到就是說其實錢裡面還有包含英國跟加拿大都是很大的貢獻國所以外交部目前具體的做法是繼續跟這些在美國離開之後然後在世界衛生組織裡面財務上貢獻多的跟他們加強關係然後希望尋求更多來自他們的支持然後使得我們參與世界衛生組織的動能\n可以繼續維持也就是跟世界衛生組裡面最主要的角色扮演國維持重要的互動那這裡面中國其實他財務上的支持並不是那麼高可能只有1%而已所以我想跟這些最主要的角色扮演者維持動能我想是目前外交部具體的做法\n謝謝次長 我不需要再強調其實許多重要的國際組織包含歐洲的國家都扮演很重要的角色過去次長也是在法國過我們也感受到法國跟這些國家對我們的一些善意還有支持這一些國家一個一個都是海權國家都是重要的影響國我還是希望說我們加強對歐洲的關係這也是很重要一定不好意思時間\n好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢謝謝主委院長 各部會首長的備詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.496 --> 00:20.040\n我們是不是請先請院長好麻煩請卓院長備選\n\n00:31.106 --> 00:54.187\n謝謝陳維文好院長好院長這個我們總統就職以來那我們有一個很重要的一個核心就是我們施政的核心就是均衡台灣那均衡台灣裡面我還是想要再次強調就是包含在水資源的應用跟水資源的這個平權也是非常重要的\n\n00:54.878 --> 01:12.424\n那根據資料顯示我們嘉義縣的山區的一些鄉鎮從大埔鄉、梵路鄉、梅山鄉竹崎鄉、阿里山鄉還是有一些偏遠的這些村落仍然沒有辦法使用自來水那我特別講到大埔鄉的原因是因為曾文水庫就坐落在大埔鄉\n\n01:13.024 --> 01:35.854\n但是他們有一些群居的地方還是沒有辦法有這個自來水的供應那這些地區的這些居民長期都需要用山泉水而且是要用地下水所以說每逢這個旱季的時候或者是颱風過後那這些飲水的困難取水的困難都是非常大的風險\n\n01:37.074 --> 01:57.274\n所以目前自來水的評估的這個管線的延伸主要的依據是用用戶接管比例或者是用投資效益來去評估那這種是用成本利益為導向的這種標準可能對人口稀少的一些鄉村會比較不利我想請教\n\n01:59.943 --> 02:19.990\n院長因為我們知道今年有很多我們立法院朝野之間有很多的這一個攻防那其中當然就是預算的方式也是有受到很大的影響那請問院長如果現在院方有益補助的話或是改變我們現在的情況的話有沒有相關的裁員能夠支援\n\n02:21.170 --> 02:43.917\n在計畫裡面是有的我們在114到118這幾年當中我們現在無自來水地區供水改善第五期的計畫在實施進行當中那這裡會對於這個沿管的工程我們會提高補助一般的民眾我們最高的補助過去是八十萬六十萬我們提高到八十萬\n\n02:45.284 --> 03:14.214\n原住民的地方我們從八十萬提高到一百萬那至於有些水庫周遭或者是受到污染的地區我們也會從八十萬提高到一百萬所以我們已經有計畫也提高了補助的這種上限那預算的部分我認為啦我認為這個部分是不應該被刪減的不應該水電是重要民生必需應該不應該被刪減所以我們還是會有相關的預算可以來指引\n\n03:14.870 --> 03:30.511\n這個部分還是要麻煩院長那責成各部會我們一起想辦法不過我們現在困難就是說本項預算沒有刪減可是很多業務會被刪減所以在執行上會變成說有預算但是執行過程會發生極大的困難\n\n03:31.292 --> 03:58.793\n所以也想利用這個機會也是因為我看到很多鄉親特別針對自來水的這些相關的意見一直傳達給我們那我們也希望透過這個機會能夠跟在野黨也希望我們的百姓民眾能夠跟在野黨的立法委員好好的跟他們溝通請他們能夠在預算的方面特別是這種跟我們偏鄉相關的部分也是給他們一些壓力讓他們能夠知道說政府的這些預算對於一般民生是有很大的影響的\n\n03:59.574 --> 04:05.581\n那再來就是還是要替我們大埔鄉也就是鄭文水庫所招的這些居民再次請命\n\n04:06.584 --> 04:31.955\n因為許多的民眾特別是我們現在高齡化的社會那有一些是用簡易自來水可是需要有人維護但是當這些維護者的這些民眾他的年齡增加的時候其實他們也是希望說能夠盡量可以的話就是用自來水一般的自來水或者來去嚴管所以這一部分我還是希望說院長能夠來去全力協助我們這些比較偏遠山區的民眾這樣好不好\n\n04:32.483 --> 04:41.256\n好的謝謝我們這次在施政報告中有跟委員報告我們不僅要新的治水我們也要有新的供水就讓人家喝到安全無餘的水\n\n04:42.137 --> 05:10.078\n簡而言之就是這一次我還是在強調就是希望說用戶的接管比例跟這個不要用投資效益來去評估而是把最後的一里路把它接上來讓我們的民眾能夠用到安全的水這個還是特別是山區其實也不是我們嘉義縣山區鄰近的從台南嘉義彰化台中甚至在更山區的南投他們都是需要這樣子的接管的所以還是這個地方還是要再強烈\n\n05:10.759 --> 05:20.956\n的要求各部會然後特別是自來水公司能夠來去協助那第二個部分跟交通比較有關係是不是請部長麻煩請交通部長必選\n\n05:24.537 --> 05:44.026\n院長我先簡單背景跟我們的這些官員來簡單介紹就是我們的太平我們的梅山纜車太平雲梯其實太平雲梯自2017年以來已經吸引百萬的遊客可是他們面臨幾個問題第一個就是交通的這個堵車\n\n05:45.146 --> 06:12.443\n那針對梅山纜車還有太平華索兩項計畫先前我有跟交通部觀光署有辦一些相關的意見的說明會那我們有請我們地方的代表村長然後這個鄉鎮的這些代表還有鄰近的這些地方的議員跟一些協會都有來去參與那會中有提到說可不可以在2025年底前開啟可行性的評估\n\n06:14.586 --> 06:24.962\n讓這個能夠在2030年代有營運的可能我想請問院長和部長這兩項計畫交通部是不是有沒有接到相關的資訊那能不能夠跟我們一起努力推動\n\n06:26.940 --> 06:41.978\n報告委員之前您有會勘過阿里山的管理處也有參與到那這個纜車的部分它的主管機關是地方政府那我們會盡量來協助地方政府至於可行性評估的部分因為這個是阿里山管理處的範圍內那我們會盡量來協助\n\n06:44.943 --> 07:10.345\n好這個部分就是因為我們今天有跟縣府有在溝通一下他是說這個特別是可行性評估的部分這算阿館處的一個職權他是希望說阿館處只要開始之後縣府這邊就會全力一起來推動這個部分是不是可以請院長也來責成這個阿館處來去加速這樣子的動作我們照部長剛剛所答覆的來進行好意思就是說可能會\n\n07:12.079 --> 07:26.981\n有進度嗎?這個進度大概是怎麼樣?可不可以請...我請阿管處跟縣政府大家一起來協調這個可行性評估的部分大家要怎麼做大家有個共識我們就來進行那部長是不是可以給他們一個比較具體的時間表讓他們說比方說在今年\n\n07:27.702 --> 07:56.414\n的這個年終我們必須要有一些會議來去確保說有這個好不好再麻煩一下最好是在年終之後就我們沒有要完成可行性評估我們是開啟可行性評估這樣子好謝謝謝謝部長那接下來就是針對農業的部分那部長可以農業部長必須院長還是再提到我們山區的部分阿里山的部分那\n\n07:57.401 --> 08:24.375\n我們阿以山地區有一個山葵的種植的發展那過去有很長蠻悠長的歷史在但是過去是在高山我們現在已經慢慢的把它移到中低海拔來去復育山葵可是有一些問題就是說它的這個海拔的環境跟傳統的這個高山環境不同所以農民需要克服的就是高溫跟病蟲害的問題\n\n08:25.396 --> 08:51.313\n那現在我們阿里山當地的這些農民面臨的這個防治困難主要是因為現行法規下可以使用的合法的農藥的品項是有限的喔那所以說農民需要更多適合山葵富裕的這個病種防治害的這個農藥選項我想請問部長我們是沒有計畫來去評估適合台灣環境的這個農藥品項來去開放相關的合法農藥讓\n\n08:52.795 --> 08:55.242\n這些農民能夠有效的防治病狀害\n\n08:56.225 --> 09:22.673\n我想跟委員回應兩點第一點的部分就是山葵本來比較適合涼溫的大概是在海拔1500以上的那現在因為原住民部落特別是阿里山原住民部落他把它往下移那移了以後就會有所謂您剛才所說的熱障礙產生所以換句話說他整個栽培的模式可能必須要做一些調整那我們已經成立了一個輔導團隊去針對阿里山合作社的這些山葵的種植去做有系統的輔導\n\n09:23.593 --> 09:46.059\n那您剛才講的第二點就是病蟲害是不是用藥是不是可以再增加的部分那兩個部分一個部分是現在目前的農藥都是針對可食部位就是它的根莖去做這些相關的農藥殘留的檢測但是還有一部分是山葵葉因為葉也可以做一些料理\n\n09:46.619 --> 10:05.370\n所以合作社那邊也希望說針對這個葉片的料理的部分也能夠開放一些藥是可以用的那這個部分我們也改良廠也正在做一個評估那總而言之我想適當的一個栽培方式配合一些用藥的確可以讓山葵的生長會在阿里山會有另外一個產業發生\n\n10:06.812 --> 10:20.273\n所以部長是不是可以給我們就是因為你們現在是在有相關的研究那會不會有一些進度上面你可以跟我們稍微講一下我想我們已經進展進度都可以\n\n10:21.282 --> 10:46.192\n我想我們整個的包括台南廠還有我們的高雄廠還有我們的調度所已經成立一個輔導團隊這個輔導團隊已經跟合作社聯繫上了所以我們也會用他的廠域去做相關的研究包括帶質的部分因為帶質的部分比種在土裡面比較能夠克服熱障礙那這個部分我想我們會直接跟那個合作社的那個農民來溝通\n\n10:47.412 --> 11:11.605\n好太好了因為現在特別是我們這個山葵這是我們嘉義縣主要現在包含我們的縣長翁縣長也是非常注重這一塊的富裕所以說我們是希望盡快能夠克服這些困難所以再麻煩部長能夠定下進度我們會來一起來努力好謝謝部長因為現在時間有限我想先從外交的部分番茄外交部備詢\n\n11:26.983 --> 11:52.250\n市長好院長好其實這幾個月我們台灣的外交跟世界的外交局勢的變化是非常之大特別是新任的政府對於一些外交的政策是有一些變化在應對這些變化的時候我覺得我們作為國會議員還是有責任來跟所有的民眾來說明\n\n11:53.871 --> 12:11.102\n特別是對發生在歐洲的事情我覺得市長也是曾經在築法那所以對整個局勢是很清楚的其實常常都聽到人家說俄國是風暴那中國是氣候變遷可是如果我們沒有辦法面對風暴那我們怎麼面對氣候變遷\n\n12:12.628 --> 12:39.287\n所以很多民眾開始會把烏克蘭的命運跟台灣的命運來做一些分隔或者是說這個或者是有些比較惡意的就是說今日烏克蘭明日台灣其實不管怎麼說法我其實個人都覺得非常遺憾因為其實我們所在乎的不是烏克蘭一個國家而已我們是在乎的是一個整個國際的體系國際的秩序\n\n12:41.428 --> 13:07.605\n是一個最基本的從這個二次世界大戰以來我們對主權國家不可以無端發起戰爭來侵略另外一個主權國家我想這個立場它不只是價值也符合我們國家的利益然後很多人都會說這個是民主價值在現今的社會上面現今的國際多變的社會上面沒有直接的幫助那我必須告訴大家\n\n13:08.405 --> 13:14.465\n台灣就是因為在這樣由美國主導的國際體系之下來繁榮了數十年\n\n13:15.498 --> 13:39.238\n由美國主導的這個從對德國的復興計畫開始到對整個歐洲的復興計畫美國對於國際秩序的重視才能夠讓我們走到今天我們也是在這個秩序的受益者這個秩序包含的是國際法包含的是尊重主權國家包含的是尊重像我們台灣、韓國這些中型國家所以\n\n13:40.051 --> 13:54.056\n面對這樣子的局勢我想請教一下那特別是針對川普政府可能會退出國際組織一些其實已經蠻明顯的一些做法請問外交部是不是有一些具體的計畫\n\n13:55.871 --> 14:24.750\n報告委員美國當然對世界衛生組織的貢獻最大他的在財務上的貢獻大概到去年為止占15%但是他不是唯一的那我們如果去細看在世界衛生組織裡面最大的貢獻這些國家其實還有包含歐盟就6%德國5%其實還有比爾蓋茲其實還是會留在裡面比爾蓋茲就10%你把這三個加起來也就超過美國了\n\n14:25.831 --> 14:46.911\n那我剛才提到就是說其實錢裡面還有包含英國跟加拿大都是很大的貢獻國所以外交部目前具體的做法是繼續跟這些在美國離開之後然後在世界衛生組織裡面財務上貢獻多的跟他們加強關係然後希望尋求更多來自他們的支持然後使得我們參與世界衛生組織的動能\n\n14:49.794 --> 15:08.531\n可以繼續維持也就是跟世界衛生組裡面最主要的角色扮演國維持重要的互動那這裡面中國其實他財務上的支持並不是那麼高可能只有1%而已所以我想跟這些最主要的角色扮演者維持動能我想是目前外交部具體的做法\n\n15:09.111 --> 15:34.091\n謝謝次長我不需要再強調其實許多重要的國際組織包含歐洲的國家都扮演很重要的角色過去次長也是在法國過我們也感受到法國跟這些國家對我們的一些善意還有支持這一些國家一個一個都是海權國家都是重要的影響國我還是希望說我們加強對歐洲的關係這也是很重要一定不好意思時間\n\n15:38.507 --> 15:39.910\n好謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢謝謝主委院長各部會首長的備詢\n\n","segments":[{"start":16.496,"end":20.04,"text":"我們是不是請 先請院長好 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院長好其實這幾個月我們台灣的外交跟世界的外交局勢的變化是非常之大特別是新任的政府對於一些外交的政策是有一些變化在應對這些變化的時候我覺得我們作為國會議員還是有責任來跟所有的民眾來說明"},{"start":713.871,"end":731.102,"text":"特別是對發生在歐洲的事情我覺得市長也是曾經在築法那所以對整個局勢是很清楚的其實常常都聽到人家說俄國是風暴那中國是氣候變遷可是如果我們沒有辦法面對風暴那我們怎麼面對氣候變遷"},{"start":732.628,"end":759.287,"text":"所以很多民眾開始會把烏克蘭的命運跟台灣的命運來做一些分隔或者是說這個或者是有些比較惡意的就是說今日烏克蘭明日台灣其實不管怎麼說法我其實個人都覺得非常遺憾因為其實我們所在乎的不是烏克蘭一個國家而已我們是在乎的是一個整個國際的體系國際的秩序"},{"start":761.428,"end":787.605,"text":"是一個最基本的從這個二次世界大戰以來我們對主權國家不可以無端發起戰爭來侵略另外一個主權國家我想這個立場它不只是價值也符合我們國家的利益然後很多人都會說這個是民主價值在現今的社會上面現今的國際多變的社會上面沒有直接的幫助那我必須告訴大家"},{"start":788.405,"end":794.465,"text":"台灣就是因為在這樣由美國主導的國際體系之下來繁榮了數十年"},{"start":795.498,"end":819.238,"text":"由美國主導的這個從對德國的復興計畫開始到對整個歐洲的復興計畫美國對於國際秩序的重視才能夠讓我們走到今天我們也是在這個秩序的受益者這個秩序包含的是國際法包含的是尊重主權國家包含的是尊重像我們台灣、韓國這些中型國家所以"},{"start":820.051,"end":834.056,"text":"面對這樣子的局勢我想請教一下那特別是針對川普政府可能會退出國際組織一些其實已經蠻明顯的一些做法請問外交部是不是有一些具體的計畫"},{"start":835.871,"end":864.75,"text":"報告委員美國當然對世界衛生組織的貢獻最大他的在財務上的貢獻大概到去年為止占15%但是他不是唯一的那我們如果去細看在世界衛生組織裡面最大的貢獻這些國家其實還有包含歐盟就6%德國5%其實還有比爾蓋茲其實還是會留在裡面比爾蓋茲就10%你把這三個加起來也就超過美國了"},{"start":865.831,"end":886.911,"text":"那我剛才提到就是說其實錢裡面還有包含英國跟加拿大都是很大的貢獻國所以外交部目前具體的做法是繼續跟這些在美國離開之後然後在世界衛生組織裡面財務上貢獻多的跟他們加強關係然後希望尋求更多來自他們的支持然後使得我們參與世界衛生組織的動能"},{"start":889.794,"end":908.531,"text":"可以繼續維持也就是跟世界衛生組裡面最主要的角色扮演國維持重要的互動那這裡面中國其實他財務上的支持並不是那麼高可能只有1%而已所以我想跟這些最主要的角色扮演者維持動能我想是目前外交部具體的做法"},{"start":909.111,"end":934.091,"text":"謝謝次長 我不需要再強調其實許多重要的國際組織包含歐洲的國家都扮演很重要的角色過去次長也是在法國過我們也感受到法國跟這些國家對我們的一些善意還有支持這一些國家一個一個都是海權國家都是重要的影響國我還是希望說我們加強對歐洲的關係這也是很重要一定不好意思時間"},{"start":938.507,"end":939.91,"text":"好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢謝謝主委院長 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