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00:00:55,483\n那先前您接受訪問的時候也提到了呢這個中共滲透海外僑社將手伸向親台派親民進黨的僑團打著綠旗反綠旗那我想要問一下這個徐家青委員長您在所謂的\n\n4\n00:00:56,224 --> 00:01:03,388\n中共滲透海外僑社那這個部分呢可不可以說明一下細節是怎麼樣在哪個地區的海外僑社讓你感覺到他們是打著綠旗反綠旗跟委員報告近期確實有包括在亞太區亞太像是越南澳洲對這個馬來西亞馬來西亞美國\n\n5\n00:01:22,139 --> 00:01:44,625\n美国都有这个相关的侨团来跟我们报告那您刚刚讲到东南亚的话那泰国越南菲律宾这些您感受上确实也有也都有是吧所以算是跟台湾主要的一些贸易还有往来的国家以侨团来说你都感觉到了是有中共渗透的这个\n\n6\n00:01:45,585 --> 00:01:50,889\n近期因為有很多農曆年節的活動所以他們就透過辦這些農曆年節的活動呢邀請僑團的幹部希望去參加他們的這個相關的這個活動舉辦所以除了這個之外呢那還有沒有其他的您所感受到的對於僑團的這個中共滲透的方式\n\n7\n00:02:08,541 --> 00:02:15,704\n還有包括就是會想要提供包括像我們台商會舉辦一些定期聚會的時候以年會大會他們就會想要提供一些贊助品這樣子的一個做法企圖要融入不過因為我們橋台商的各自經濟實力一般來講都還算不錯\n\n8\n00:02:30,831 --> 00:02:45,777\n所以我想他們應該也不會被這種小東西所影響所以呢您講的這個中共滲透海外的僑社那就您來評估的話你覺得並不是那麼的成功可以這麼說嗎以台藝的這個僑團來說並不成功但是傳統僑社我們還是密切關注因為我相信我們在台灣的僑胞啊對中華民國的向心力是非常強的\n\n9\n00:02:58,922 --> 00:03:10,246\n每一次我們在辦這個雙十國慶的酒會的時候像我自己在美國的朋友他們都一定要來參加那就是表達對中華民國的這個認同是那所以呢我想這個還想是問一下就是說你們認為說在海外僑社真的有被滲透的部分它的樣態是什麼樣的樣態它的僑社屬於什麼樣的僑社類別上面來說事實上近期我們\n\n10\n00:03:25,632 --> 00:03:33,576\n有沒有一些具體的案例可以跟我們分享有些案例我可能簡單的大致把輪廓跟委員報告就是我們確實有關注到部分的專業團體那因為在海外各種專業人士都會有那麼早期台灣所創立的一些新的專業團體比方說會計師協會以這個來說在這個平台上是說在\n\n11\n00:03:54,428 --> 00:03:57,109\n僑團的會計師協會對這個要講清楚不是台灣的會計師協會不是台灣的我說在海外的僑團的會計師協會比方說這樣子的一個專業團體那隨著近年來因為中國的僑民越來越增加\n\n12\n00:04:12,313 --> 00:04:31,632\n那他們也有相當比例的這個專業人士形成那麼有部分的專業人士也由於我們的這個專業團體已經設立了他們就來加入那加入的人數高到一個比例的時候他們甚至已經有能力變成是理監事了\n\n13\n00:04:32,673 --> 00:05:00,251\n這個就是我們也有一定擔憂的地方看到的太陽這樣子那您在這次的這個業務報告裡面的第四頁剛剛您有提到不過不是那麼的詳細提到中國運用春節活動開始文化統戰那您提到就是說在113年12月的時候聯合國教科文組織將春節列入人類非物質文化遺產那英文的關於叫做SpringFestival\n\n14\n00:05:01,172 --> 00:05:16,849\n那您這邊提到的是翻譯上卻出現了ChineseNewYear跟LunarNewYear的爭論那你也認為在這裡提到說這樣子的說法的翻譯呢是碎形統戰的場域那是這樣子來講的嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:19,051 --> 00:05:45,547\n應該這樣講本來我們在翻譯上就要精準精確那過去這十多年來中國運用各種的在文字上的技巧企圖把這個有全球化的所謂春節的活動變成是屬於中國的所以在英文翻譯上都說ChineseNewYear但是近年來我們包括看到聯合國或者各國政府他們都用LunarNewYear的方式來更正LunarNewYear\n\n16\n00:05:46,507 --> 00:06:05,200\n農曆年才是正確的翻譯但是你在報告上面卻寫的是ChineseNewYear跟LunarNewYear的爭論是因為有部分的僑團至今仍然還是繼續使用ChineseNewYear這樣子的字眼那這個就部分的會讓其他族裔的\n\n17\n00:06:06,221 --> 00:06:18,411\n這些民眾會抗議因為包括有越南、韓國、馬來西亞、新加坡各個國家都也是過這個農曆年節的活動那如果把這個LunarNewYear稱為ChineseNewYear好像這些國家的主體性也都不見了因此他們在邀請一些不同族裔的人參加的時候就難免會被人家批評OK好\n\n18\n00:06:30,363 --> 00:06:39,819\n我想請問一下,2025年,也就是今年度,僑委會主辦跟協辦相關春節活動,分別有幾個場次?\n\n19\n00:06:42,119 --> 00:07:08,886\n這個場次非常的多我們還在統計當中因為他們的辦理事實上是從1月下旬然後就一直持續到3月底都陸續還有所以我們原則上都會等3月底會統一計算所有的數量但是今年舉辦的這個狀況非常熱烈而且還有非常多創新的做法我現在只能就粗略的部分來提供那我們統整好以後會送一份完整資料給委員\n\n20\n00:07:10,206 --> 00:07:19,789\n那我再問一下接下來的題目就是說呢如果我們談到的是這個LunarNewYear的話這個農曆新年是不是就認為是沒有問題的我們只是不是說有沒有問題是說希望大家能夠精準正確的去傳譯因為春節的農曆年概念就是Lunar嘛絕對不是如果是叫做Chinese就變中國節中國新年就會變成是這個概念了\n\n21\n00:07:38,914 --> 00:08:04,788\n那所以這個其實這是為什麼前年開始聯合國就做出了這樣子的一個宣示希望說這是一個世界的節日但是聯合國講的是SpringFestival跟ChineseNewYear還有LunarNewYear都是不一樣的這個在其他包括美國包括法國他們在白宮或香榭宮也都是證明用LunarNewYear的做法一改過去用ChineseNewYear的\n\n22\n00:08:05,928 --> 00:08:32,919\n那近日來呢這個陸委會跟移民署那他們轟轟烈烈的審查了這些陸配的言論也引發了這個相關的效應那我最後想要問的事情是僑胞他們也有華僑身份的證明那如果有僑名的話那他們可以方便在國內辦理投資工商登記不動產買賣遺產繼承也可以開立賬戶稅務考試入境居留還有最常遇到的這個兵役\n\n23\n00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:43,843\n那委員長如果這個華僑他有談論到支持統戰或是支持台灣獨立也就是非支持中華民國的言論那我們僑委會這邊會做什麼樣的一個具體的動作\n\n24\n00:08:48,844 --> 00:09:11,090\n針對僑民的部分是是是我想我們會努力的來跟這些僑民溝通只要溝通而已沒有其他的因為他們都是他國他已經是他國公民了所以我們還是要尊重他他國公民但是我相信我們絕大多數的僑民都不會做出這樣傷害台灣地位的地方那我們會有跟委會一樣的審查機制甚至去撤照他的我想我們執行的方式是不一樣的\n\n25\n00:09:14,391 --> 00:09:22,653\n因為陸委會管轄的範圍是指在台灣已經要加入公民的人那會有面談機制嗎你說申請華僑證明嗎不是就是說如果你發現說這些僑報他有統戰或是台獨相關的這個非中華民國的言論那我們會像陸委會這樣比較會有訪談面談的機制\n\n26\n00:09:35,976 --> 00:09:43,942\n我想我們不會我剛剛已經講了因為這些是他國公民我們不可能做這些他國公民的權利侵犯好謝謝了解了謝謝委員長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1053\t5187\t謝謝主席 我們有請徐嘉欣委員長好 有請徐委員長 謝謝\n11041\t34127\t薛琳早安早安我看到這次的業務這個報告裡面跟過去好幾次我們看到業務報告比較不一樣可能也跟賴總統的這一次的談話相關裡面比較多都寫到了就是說如何在僑團的部分增加一些台灣的意識或者是什麼反中共統戰認知作戰之類這樣子的一個內容\n37668\t55483\t那先前您接受訪問的時候也提到了呢這個中共滲透海外僑社將手伸向親台派親民進黨的僑團打著綠旗反綠旗那我想要問一下這個徐家青委員長您在所謂的\n56224\t63388\t中共滲透海外僑社那這個部分呢可不可以說明一下細節是怎麼樣在哪個地區的海外僑社讓你感覺到他們是打著綠旗反綠旗跟委員報告近期確實有包括在亞太區亞太像是越南澳洲對這個馬來西亞馬來西亞美國\n82139\t104625\t美国都有这个相关的侨团来跟我们报告那您刚刚讲到东南亚的话那泰国越南菲律宾这些您感受上确实也有也都有是吧所以算是跟台湾主要的一些贸易还有往来的国家以侨团来说你都感觉到了是有中共渗透的这个\n105585\t110889\t近期因為有很多農曆年節的活動所以他們就透過辦這些農曆年節的活動呢邀請僑團的幹部希望去參加他們的這個相關的這個活動舉辦所以除了這個之外呢那還有沒有其他的您所感受到的對於僑團的這個中共滲透的方式\n128541\t135704\t還有包括就是會想要提供包括像我們台商會舉辦一些定期聚會的時候以年會大會他們就會想要提供一些贊助品這樣子的一個做法企圖要融入不過因為我們橋台商的各自經濟實力一般來講都還算不錯\n150831\t165777\t所以我想他們應該也不會被這種小東西所影響所以呢您講的這個中共滲透海外的僑社那就您來評估的話你覺得並不是那麼的成功可以這麼說嗎以台藝的這個僑團來說並不成功但是傳統僑社我們還是密切關注因為我相信我們在台灣的僑胞啊對中華民國的向心力是非常強的\n178922\t190246\t每一次我們在辦這個雙十國慶的酒會的時候像我自己在美國的朋友他們都一定要來參加那就是表達對中華民國的這個認同是那所以呢我想這個還想是問一下就是說你們認為說在海外僑社真的有被滲透的部分它的樣態是什麼樣的樣態它的僑社屬於什麼樣的僑社類別上面來說事實上近期我們\n205632\t213576\t有沒有一些具體的案例可以跟我們分享有些案例我可能簡單的大致把輪廓跟委員報告就是我們確實有關注到部分的專業團體那因為在海外各種專業人士都會有那麼早期台灣所創立的一些新的專業團體比方說會計師協會以這個來說在這個平台上是說在\n234428\t237109\t僑團的會計師協會對這個要講清楚不是台灣的會計師協會不是台灣的我說在海外的僑團的會計師協會比方說這樣子的一個專業團體那隨著近年來因為中國的僑民越來越增加\n252313\t271632\t那他們也有相當比例的這個專業人士形成那麼有部分的專業人士也由於我們的這個專業團體已經設立了他們就來加入那加入的人數高到一個比例的時候他們甚至已經有能力變成是理監事了\n272673\t300251\t這個就是我們也有一定擔憂的地方看到的太陽這樣子那您在這次的這個業務報告裡面的第四頁剛剛您有提到不過不是那麼的詳細提到中國運用春節活動開始文化統戰那您提到就是說在113年12月的時候聯合國教科文組織將春節列入人類非物質文化遺產那英文的關於叫做Spring Festival\n301172\t316849\t那您這邊提到的是翻譯上卻出現了Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的爭論那你也認為在這裡提到說這樣子的說法的翻譯呢是碎形統戰的場域那是這樣子來講的嗎?\n319051\t345547\t應該這樣講本來我們在翻譯上就要精準精確那過去這十多年來中國運用各種的在文字上的技巧企圖把這個有全球化的所謂春節的活動變成是屬於中國的所以在英文翻譯上都說Chinese New Year但是近年來我們包括看到聯合國或者各國政府他們都用Lunar New Year的方式來更正Lunar New Year\n346507\t365200\t農曆年才是正確的翻譯但是你在報告上面卻寫的是Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的爭論是因為有部分的僑團至今仍然還是繼續使用Chinese New Year這樣子的字眼那這個就部分的會讓其他族裔的\n366221\t378411\t這些民眾會抗議因為包括有越南、韓國、馬來西亞、新加坡各個國家都也是過這個農曆年節的活動那如果把這個Lunar New Year稱為Chinese New Year好像這些國家的主體性也都不見了因此他們在邀請一些不同族裔的人參加的時候就難免會被人家批評OK 好\n390363\t399819\t我想請問一下,2025年,也就是今年度,僑委會主辦跟協辦相關春節活動,分別有幾個場次?\n402119\t428886\t這個場次非常的多我們還在統計當中因為他們的辦理事實上是從1月下旬然後就一直持續到3月底都陸續還有所以我們原則上都會等3月底會統一計算所有的數量但是今年舉辦的這個狀況非常熱烈而且還有非常多創新的做法我現在只能就粗略的部分來提供那我們統整好以後會送一份完整資料給委員\n430206\t439789\t那我再問一下接下來的題目就是說呢如果我們談到的是這個Lunar New Year的話這個農曆新年是不是就認為是沒有問題的我們只是不是說有沒有問題是說希望大家能夠精準正確的去傳譯因為春節的農曆年概念就是Lunar嘛絕對不是如果是叫做Chinese就變中國節中國新年就會變成是這個概念了\n458914\t484788\t那所以這個其實這是為什麼前年開始聯合國就做出了這樣子的一個宣示希望說這是一個世界的節日但是聯合國講的是Spring Festival跟Chinese New Year還有Lunar New Year都是不一樣的這個在其他包括美國包括法國他們在白宮或香榭宮也都是證明用Lunar New Year的做法一改過去用Chinese New Year的\n485928\t512919\t那近日來呢 這個陸委會跟移民署那他們轟轟烈烈的審查了這些陸配的言論也引發了這個相關的效應那我最後想要問的事情是僑胞他們也有華僑身份的證明那如果有僑名的話那他們可以方便在國內辦理投資 工商登記不動產買賣 遺產繼承也可以開立賬戶稅務考試入境居留 還有最常遇到的這個兵役\n513479\t523843\t那委員長如果這個華僑他有談論到支持統戰或是支持台灣獨立也就是非支持中華民國的言論那我們僑委會這邊會做什麼樣的一個具體的動作\n528844\t551090\t針對僑民的部分是是是 我想我們會努力的來跟這些僑民溝通只要溝通而已 沒有其他的因為他們都是他國 他已經是他國公民了所以我們還是要尊重他他國公民但是我相信我們絕大多數的僑民都不會做出這樣傷害台灣地位的地方那我們會有跟委會一樣的審查機制甚至去撤照他的我想我們執行的方式是不一樣的\n554391\t562653\t因為陸委會管轄的範圍是指在台灣已經要加入公民的人那會有面談機制嗎你說申請華僑證明嗎不是就是說如果你發現說這些僑報他有統戰或是台獨相關的這個非中華民國的言論那我們會像陸委會這樣比較會有訪談面談的機制\n575976\t583942\t我想我們不會 我剛剛已經講了因為這些是他國公民我們不可能做這些他國公民的權利侵犯好 謝謝了解了謝謝委員長 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請徐嘉欣委員長好 有請徐委員長 謝謝\n薛琳早安早安我看到這次的業務這個報告裡面跟過去好幾次我們看到業務報告比較不一樣可能也跟賴總統的這一次的談話相關裡面比較多都寫到了就是說如何在僑團的部分增加一些台灣的意識或者是什麼反中共統戰認知作戰之類這樣子的一個內容\n那先前您接受訪問的時候也提到了呢這個中共滲透海外僑社將手伸向親台派親民進黨的僑團打著綠旗反綠旗那我想要問一下這個徐家青委員長您在所謂的\n中共滲透海外僑社那這個部分呢可不可以說明一下細節是怎麼樣在哪個地區的海外僑社讓你感覺到他們是打著綠旗反綠旗跟委員報告近期確實有包括在亞太區亞太像是越南澳洲對這個馬來西亞馬來西亞美國\n美国都有这个相关的侨团来跟我们报告那您刚刚讲到东南亚的话那泰国越南菲律宾这些您感受上确实也有也都有是吧所以算是跟台湾主要的一些贸易还有往来的国家以侨团来说你都感觉到了是有中共渗透的这个\n近期因為有很多農曆年節的活動所以他們就透過辦這些農曆年節的活動呢邀請僑團的幹部希望去參加他們的這個相關的這個活動舉辦所以除了這個之外呢那還有沒有其他的您所感受到的對於僑團的這個中共滲透的方式\n還有包括就是會想要提供包括像我們台商會舉辦一些定期聚會的時候以年會大會他們就會想要提供一些贊助品這樣子的一個做法企圖要融入不過因為我們橋台商的各自經濟實力一般來講都還算不錯\n所以我想他們應該也不會被這種小東西所影響所以呢您講的這個中共滲透海外的僑社那就您來評估的話你覺得並不是那麼的成功可以這麼說嗎以台藝的這個僑團來說並不成功但是傳統僑社我們還是密切關注因為我相信我們在台灣的僑胞啊對中華民國的向心力是非常強的\n每一次我們在辦這個雙十國慶的酒會的時候像我自己在美國的朋友他們都一定要來參加那就是表達對中華民國的這個認同是那所以呢我想這個還想是問一下就是說你們認為說在海外僑社真的有被滲透的部分它的樣態是什麼樣的樣態它的僑社屬於什麼樣的僑社類別上面來說事實上近期我們\n有沒有一些具體的案例可以跟我們分享有些案例我可能簡單的大致把輪廓跟委員報告就是我們確實有關注到部分的專業團體那因為在海外各種專業人士都會有那麼早期台灣所創立的一些新的專業團體比方說會計師協會以這個來說在這個平台上是說在\n僑團的會計師協會對這個要講清楚不是台灣的會計師協會不是台灣的我說在海外的僑團的會計師協會比方說這樣子的一個專業團體那隨著近年來因為中國的僑民越來越增加\n那他們也有相當比例的這個專業人士形成那麼有部分的專業人士也由於我們的這個專業團體已經設立了他們就來加入那加入的人數高到一個比例的時候他們甚至已經有能力變成是理監事了\n這個就是我們也有一定擔憂的地方看到的太陽這樣子那您在這次的這個業務報告裡面的第四頁剛剛您有提到不過不是那麼的詳細提到中國運用春節活動開始文化統戰那您提到就是說在113年12月的時候聯合國教科文組織將春節列入人類非物質文化遺產那英文的關於叫做Spring Festival\n那您這邊提到的是翻譯上卻出現了Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的爭論那你也認為在這裡提到說這樣子的說法的翻譯呢是碎形統戰的場域那是這樣子來講的嗎?\n應該這樣講本來我們在翻譯上就要精準精確那過去這十多年來中國運用各種的在文字上的技巧企圖把這個有全球化的所謂春節的活動變成是屬於中國的所以在英文翻譯上都說Chinese New Year但是近年來我們包括看到聯合國或者各國政府他們都用Lunar New Year的方式來更正Lunar New Year\n農曆年才是正確的翻譯但是你在報告上面卻寫的是Chinese New Year跟Lunar New Year的爭論是因為有部分的僑團至今仍然還是繼續使用Chinese New Year這樣子的字眼那這個就部分的會讓其他族裔的\n這些民眾會抗議因為包括有越南、韓國、馬來西亞、新加坡各個國家都也是過這個農曆年節的活動那如果把這個Lunar New Year稱為Chinese New Year好像這些國家的主體性也都不見了因此他們在邀請一些不同族裔的人參加的時候就難免會被人家批評OK 好\n我想請問一下,2025年,也就是今年度,僑委會主辦跟協辦相關春節活動,分別有幾個場次?\n這個場次非常的多我們還在統計當中因為他們的辦理事實上是從1月下旬然後就一直持續到3月底都陸續還有所以我們原則上都會等3月底會統一計算所有的數量但是今年舉辦的這個狀況非常熱烈而且還有非常多創新的做法我現在只能就粗略的部分來提供那我們統整好以後會送一份完整資料給委員\n那我再問一下接下來的題目就是說呢如果我們談到的是這個Lunar New Year的話這個農曆新年是不是就認為是沒有問題的我們只是不是說有沒有問題是說希望大家能夠精準正確的去傳譯因為春節的農曆年概念就是Lunar嘛絕對不是如果是叫做Chinese就變中國節中國新年就會變成是這個概念了\n那所以這個其實這是為什麼前年開始聯合國就做出了這樣子的一個宣示希望說這是一個世界的節日但是聯合國講的是Spring Festival跟Chinese New Year還有Lunar New Year都是不一樣的這個在其他包括美國包括法國他們在白宮或香榭宮也都是證明用Lunar New Year的做法一改過去用Chinese New Year的\n那近日來呢 這個陸委會跟移民署那他們轟轟烈烈的審查了這些陸配的言論也引發了這個相關的效應那我最後想要問的事情是僑胞他們也有華僑身份的證明那如果有僑名的話那他們可以方便在國內辦理投資 工商登記不動產買賣 遺產繼承也可以開立賬戶稅務考試入境居留 還有最常遇到的這個兵役\n那委員長如果這個華僑他有談論到支持統戰或是支持台灣獨立也就是非支持中華民國的言論那我們僑委會這邊會做什麼樣的一個具體的動作\n針對僑民的部分是是是 我想我們會努力的來跟這些僑民溝通只要溝通而已 沒有其他的因為他們都是他國 他已經是他國公民了所以我們還是要尊重他他國公民但是我相信我們絕大多數的僑民都不會做出這樣傷害台灣地位的地方那我們會有跟委會一樣的審查機制甚至去撤照他的我想我們執行的方式是不一樣的\n因為陸委會管轄的範圍是指在台灣已經要加入公民的人那會有面談機制嗎你說申請華僑證明嗎不是就是說如果你發現說這些僑報他有統戰或是台獨相關的這個非中華民國的言論那我們會像陸委會這樣比較會有訪談面談的機制\n我想我們不會 我剛剛已經講了因為這些是他國公民我們不可能做這些他國公民的權利侵犯好 謝謝了解了謝謝委員長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.053 --> 00:05.187\n謝謝主席我們有請徐嘉欣委員長好有請徐委員長謝謝\n\n00:11.041 --> 00:34.127\n薛琳早安早安我看到這次的業務這個報告裡面跟過去好幾次我們看到業務報告比較不一樣可能也跟賴總統的這一次的談話相關裡面比較多都寫到了就是說如何在僑團的部分增加一些台灣的意識或者是什麼反中共統戰認知作戰之類這樣子的一個內容\n\n00:37.668 --> 00:55.483\n那先前您接受訪問的時候也提到了呢這個中共滲透海外僑社將手伸向親台派親民進黨的僑團打著綠旗反綠旗那我想要問一下這個徐家青委員長您在所謂的\n\n00:56.224 --> 01:03.388\n中共滲透海外僑社那這個部分呢可不可以說明一下細節是怎麼樣在哪個地區的海外僑社讓你感覺到他們是打著綠旗反綠旗跟委員報告近期確實有包括在亞太區亞太像是越南澳洲對這個馬來西亞馬來西亞美國\n\n01:22.139 --> 01:44.625\n美国都有这个相关的侨团来跟我们报告那您刚刚讲到东南亚的话那泰国越南菲律宾这些您感受上确实也有也都有是吧所以算是跟台湾主要的一些贸易还有往来的国家以侨团来说你都感觉到了是有中共渗透的这个\n\n01:45.585 --> 01:50.889\n近期因為有很多農曆年節的活動所以他們就透過辦這些農曆年節的活動呢邀請僑團的幹部希望去參加他們的這個相關的這個活動舉辦所以除了這個之外呢那還有沒有其他的您所感受到的對於僑團的這個中共滲透的方式\n\n02:08.541 --> 02:15.704\n還有包括就是會想要提供包括像我們台商會舉辦一些定期聚會的時候以年會大會他們就會想要提供一些贊助品這樣子的一個做法企圖要融入不過因為我們橋台商的各自經濟實力一般來講都還算不錯\n\n02:30.831 --> 02:45.777\n所以我想他們應該也不會被這種小東西所影響所以呢您講的這個中共滲透海外的僑社那就您來評估的話你覺得並不是那麼的成功可以這麼說嗎以台藝的這個僑團來說並不成功但是傳統僑社我們還是密切關注因為我相信我們在台灣的僑胞啊對中華民國的向心力是非常強的\n\n02:58.922 --> 03:10.246\n每一次我們在辦這個雙十國慶的酒會的時候像我自己在美國的朋友他們都一定要來參加那就是表達對中華民國的這個認同是那所以呢我想這個還想是問一下就是說你們認為說在海外僑社真的有被滲透的部分它的樣態是什麼樣的樣態它的僑社屬於什麼樣的僑社類別上面來說事實上近期我們\n\n03:25.632 --> 03:33.576\n有沒有一些具體的案例可以跟我們分享有些案例我可能簡單的大致把輪廓跟委員報告就是我們確實有關注到部分的專業團體那因為在海外各種專業人士都會有那麼早期台灣所創立的一些新的專業團體比方說會計師協會以這個來說在這個平台上是說在\n\n03:54.428 --> 03:57.109\n僑團的會計師協會對這個要講清楚不是台灣的會計師協會不是台灣的我說在海外的僑團的會計師協會比方說這樣子的一個專業團體那隨著近年來因為中國的僑民越來越增加\n\n04:12.313 --> 04:31.632\n那他們也有相當比例的這個專業人士形成那麼有部分的專業人士也由於我們的這個專業團體已經設立了他們就來加入那加入的人數高到一個比例的時候他們甚至已經有能力變成是理監事了\n\n04:32.673 --> 05:00.251\n這個就是我們也有一定擔憂的地方看到的太陽這樣子那您在這次的這個業務報告裡面的第四頁剛剛您有提到不過不是那麼的詳細提到中國運用春節活動開始文化統戰那您提到就是說在113年12月的時候聯合國教科文組織將春節列入人類非物質文化遺產那英文的關於叫做SpringFestival\n\n05:01.172 --> 05:16.849\n那您這邊提到的是翻譯上卻出現了ChineseNewYear跟LunarNewYear的爭論那你也認為在這裡提到說這樣子的說法的翻譯呢是碎形統戰的場域那是這樣子來講的嗎?\n\n05:19.051 --> 05:45.547\n應該這樣講本來我們在翻譯上就要精準精確那過去這十多年來中國運用各種的在文字上的技巧企圖把這個有全球化的所謂春節的活動變成是屬於中國的所以在英文翻譯上都說ChineseNewYear但是近年來我們包括看到聯合國或者各國政府他們都用LunarNewYear的方式來更正LunarNewYear\n\n05:46.507 --> 06:05.200\n農曆年才是正確的翻譯但是你在報告上面卻寫的是ChineseNewYear跟LunarNewYear的爭論是因為有部分的僑團至今仍然還是繼續使用ChineseNewYear這樣子的字眼那這個就部分的會讓其他族裔的\n\n06:06.221 --> 06:18.411\n這些民眾會抗議因為包括有越南、韓國、馬來西亞、新加坡各個國家都也是過這個農曆年節的活動那如果把這個LunarNewYear稱為ChineseNewYear好像這些國家的主體性也都不見了因此他們在邀請一些不同族裔的人參加的時候就難免會被人家批評OK好\n\n06:30.363 --> 06:39.819\n我想請問一下,2025年,也就是今年度,僑委會主辦跟協辦相關春節活動,分別有幾個場次?\n\n06:42.119 --> 07:08.886\n這個場次非常的多我們還在統計當中因為他們的辦理事實上是從1月下旬然後就一直持續到3月底都陸續還有所以我們原則上都會等3月底會統一計算所有的數量但是今年舉辦的這個狀況非常熱烈而且還有非常多創新的做法我現在只能就粗略的部分來提供那我們統整好以後會送一份完整資料給委員\n\n07:10.206 --> 07:19.789\n那我再問一下接下來的題目就是說呢如果我們談到的是這個LunarNewYear的話這個農曆新年是不是就認為是沒有問題的我們只是不是說有沒有問題是說希望大家能夠精準正確的去傳譯因為春節的農曆年概念就是Lunar嘛絕對不是如果是叫做Chinese就變中國節中國新年就會變成是這個概念了\n\n07:38.914 --> 08:04.788\n那所以這個其實這是為什麼前年開始聯合國就做出了這樣子的一個宣示希望說這是一個世界的節日但是聯合國講的是SpringFestival跟ChineseNewYear還有LunarNewYear都是不一樣的這個在其他包括美國包括法國他們在白宮或香榭宮也都是證明用LunarNewYear的做法一改過去用ChineseNewYear的\n\n08:05.928 --> 08:32.919\n那近日來呢這個陸委會跟移民署那他們轟轟烈烈的審查了這些陸配的言論也引發了這個相關的效應那我最後想要問的事情是僑胞他們也有華僑身份的證明那如果有僑名的話那他們可以方便在國內辦理投資工商登記不動產買賣遺產繼承也可以開立賬戶稅務考試入境居留還有最常遇到的這個兵役\n\n08:33.479 --> 08:43.843\n那委員長如果這個華僑他有談論到支持統戰或是支持台灣獨立也就是非支持中華民國的言論那我們僑委會這邊會做什麼樣的一個具體的動作\n\n08:48.844 --> 09:11.090\n針對僑民的部分是是是我想我們會努力的來跟這些僑民溝通只要溝通而已沒有其他的因為他們都是他國他已經是他國公民了所以我們還是要尊重他他國公民但是我相信我們絕大多數的僑民都不會做出這樣傷害台灣地位的地方那我們會有跟委會一樣的審查機制甚至去撤照他的我想我們執行的方式是不一樣的\n\n09:14.391 --> 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