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00:01:01,875\n那上個會期我們所提到的就是語言的問題當然我有今天看到這個報告就是說委員長有提到就是我們今年呢將要推動僑生專班學生華語文加強的這個計畫因為上個會期我也跟委員長提到就是說其實有很多的這一個僑外生來到台灣之後呢因為對這個這個華語文的這個不熟悉所以呢產生了這個學習的這個障礙所以我們現在看到就是說僑友會呢有要來改進就是說\n\n5\n00:01:21,158 --> 00:01:40,297\n想透過這個華語文的輔導跟這個教室的培訓提升學生的這個華語能力那之前我也有看到一個報導就是說委員長有提到就是說從今年的九月份新生我們可能就會來一個完整的一個在校學習的這個課程因為我知道像過去的話\n\n6\n00:01:41,518 --> 00:02:05,986\n讓大家抨擊的就是說有很多學生一下飛機其實馬上就送到工廠去做實習他們連語言都不通連課都還沒有上就已經送到工廠裡面去做實習這部分的一直都是受到抨擊的那當然這部分我有看到是全國會有提到就是說今年九月開始新生必須要完整上一個學期的這個課程好那這部分委員長這個部分有沒有比較詳細的一個說法\n\n7\n00:02:08,905 --> 00:02:14,607\n我們其實是有一個系列的改善措施包括我們從去年的12月開始我們就要求28個跟我們有簽約合作的高職必須每個學校都要派他們的華語教師來參加我們的進修課程那因為僑生的這個華語學習的需求跟我們本地生從小學習華語的這個樣態是不同的\n\n8\n00:02:35,291 --> 00:02:59,267\n因此在使用教材方面我們也提供他們用我們新的雙語教材的模式來協助老師讓他在教學現場比較能夠掌握學生的學習跟互動的量能這是第一個部分其次我們也跟教育部做了非常多的細節的討論所以從今年度新的九月份第一批新的新生進來的時候我們就要落實開始前三個月到四個月\n\n9\n00:03:05,111 --> 00:03:11,552\n在學校做這個第一階段的所謂語言篩選分流分成初級中級高級如果他的華語已經進到高級階段的他可以選修第二外國語其他的語言來強化他的這個競爭力但是中級跟初級的部分呢就是一樣要繼續參加我們的華語班那這個華語班呢在結束之後我們會有一個簡單的叫做快篩\n\n10\n00:03:30,476 --> 00:03:59,199\n用快篩的方式來判斷他是不是已經到達可以出去做實習一般生活的這個需求所以快篩有通過了之後呢才會讓他進入這個實習的場域這個是我們今年也跟教育部開會做成的一些決議所以馬上9月就要來落實執行那教育部也支持我們這樣的一個計畫的執行那我們可以預期就是說今年的12月\n\n11\n00:04:00,260 --> 00:04:10,014\n以後那麼很可能學生在做完這個快篩如果成績每一班的這個數字都有高度的成長我們也會給這些華語教師一定的這個bonus來獎勵他讓他\n\n12\n00:04:15,741 --> 00:04:37,878\n覺得說他這樣的教學改善是對學生有幫助的所以我們會有多管齊下的方式那學生呢到畢業以前我們一定要求他通通要到B2以上的應該說A2以上的華語程度他才可以去對接這個技專科技大學就是三年三年結束一定要達到A2那我們第一階段是要達到A1以上\n\n13\n00:04:42,842 --> 00:05:05,330\n所以A1到A2之間這兩年當中就是讓他繼續持續的加強語言的學習如果他在第一階段就能夠有所提升會有很大的程度幫助他的適應力還有學習力以及他去實習的溝通所以這個部分我們從去年到今年就持續的在改善當中\n\n14\n00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:28,878\n好謝謝委員長的這個說明因為我一直覺得語言是進入他這個學習很重要的門檻我也看到小委會的這個努力那我知道說三家市成立了將近20年其實它有很多的這個成科真的很需要小委會來做這個解決跟處理因為我發現說三家市不單單一直一再的受到媒體的這個\n\n15\n00:05:30,138 --> 00:05:38,060\n關注甚至我之前還看到這個媒體有報導就是說連美國連美國的這個人口販運都提到說我們這個僑生專班都是被關注的這一點所以這部分有影響到台灣的這個國際形象那但除了語言之外我在想教學品質的不佳還有仲介的這個問題都是要委員長這邊來搭搭霍府來做這個處理的我想三家市產業專班原先的\n\n16\n00:05:57,483 --> 00:06:00,800\n他的這個建立的其實是一個美意可是\n\n17\n00:06:02,233 --> 00:06:09,659\n沒有想到20年來是越走越糟糕委員其實沒有20年我們是103年開始實驗性計畫103年就2014年所以到今年是滿10年10年而已那前幾年因為他的招生規模都很小而且當時也沒有配套措施所以我們在經過檢討以後也確實發現說當時的學生可能念一年兩年三年他們就陸續流失了\n\n18\n00:06:29,355 --> 00:06:48,503\n所以真正唸到七年畢業的人數都只有三到四成而已但是這三到四成如果唸到畢業的他真的留在台灣的就業率就高達八成五以上了所以可見得說他如果真的能夠受到台灣好的教育栽培那他留台的機率也變很大我再打下一下是\n\n19\n00:06:48,823 --> 00:07:07,116\nOK那之前我們也就這個所謂的這個流台率我們也做了這個檢討那之前我也看到一個您的訪談就是有提到就是說我們你也承認了其實承接的很多的這個學校其實已經面幾乎是要面臨這個倒閉體質不佳的這個學校來承接這個三加四\n\n20\n00:07:10,458 --> 00:07:25,087\n真的要倒閉了我們就不會跟他簽約了像之前一直都有這些學生來承接我們三家市的這個班那現在的話我們要如何去淘汰跟篩檢就讓這些學校退場現在我們怎麼處理的這部分\n\n21\n00:07:28,249 --> 00:07:53,280\n跟委員說明一下就是我們台灣的即職教育其實在過去幾十年其實是相當成功的它也培養了我們台灣無數的這些這個勞動力以及優質的人力那很多的老闆企業都是從這樣子的一個苦學出身那所以即職教育在台灣並不是像今天說的這樣都是不好的\n\n22\n00:07:53,820 --> 00:08:23,460\n但是有一些後段班的由於他的這個可能教師人數不足或者是學校經營不善那麼逐漸有一些狀況所以我們的態度就是我們要服優太弱那太弱的我們事實上是不會跟他做任何合作的可是他現在有些正在承接當中也就是說這個結束之後他比方說有兩個學校確實是這樣他們後面他們就不能再承接了他們現在只剩下高三的那一班辦完他們就結束了\n\n23\n00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:30,221\n所以後來我們就在淘汰當中我們有在增加新的學校但是我們也有淘汰不好的學校所以我們蘿蔔棍子當然都是要同步那作為政府當然是不能不教而殺我們一定是先給予輔導先給予相關的協助那麼如果他還在不改善的狀況影響學生的教學這個就學權益或者說是沒有辦法達到我們的標準那我們只好讓他退場\n\n24\n00:08:51,565 --> 00:08:59,787\n一方面是先減人數跟減班再者就是重則我們就把這個約就取消所以這個我們都每年每年重新再檢視\n\n25\n00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:27,509\nOK好謝謝委員長當然最近這兩個會期跟委員長都討論這個三家市當然我也很開心看到說我們有逐步在做改善因為說實在的三家市連美國都在注意到就是說我們這些學生來到底是來做打工嗎還是來上學不會讓人口販運的事情發生在我們的政策裡面是所以這個部分這是我們要特別留意的地方OK好以上謝謝謝謝羅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n330\t1492\t謝謝主席 有請徐委員長好 請徐委員長 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謝謝委員長的這個說明因為我一直覺得語言是進入他這個學習很重要的門檻我也看到小委會的這個努力那我知道說三家市成立了將近20年其實它有很多的這個成科真的很需要小委會來做這個解決跟處理因為我發現說三家市不單單一直一再的受到媒體的這個\n330138\t338060\t關注甚至我之前還看到這個媒體有報導就是說連美國連美國的這個人口販運都提到說我們這個僑生專班都是被關注的這一點所以這部分有影響到台灣的這個國際形象那但除了語言之外我在想教學品質的不佳還有仲介的這個問題都是要委員長這邊來搭搭霍府來做這個處理的我想三家市產業專班原先的\n357483\t360800\t他的這個建立的其實是一個美意可是\n362233\t369659\t沒有想到20年來是越走越糟糕委員其實沒有20年我們是103年開始實驗性計畫103年就2014年所以到今年是滿10年10年而已那前幾年因為他的招生規模都很小而且當時也沒有配套措施所以我們在經過檢討以後也確實發現說當時的學生可能念一年兩年三年他們就陸續流失了\n389355\t408503\t所以真正唸到七年畢業的人數都只有三到四成而已但是這三到四成如果唸到畢業的他真的留在台灣的就業率就高達八成五以上了所以可見得說他如果真的能夠受到台灣好的教育栽培那他留台的機率也變很大我再打下一下是\n408823\t427116\tOK那之前我們也就這個所謂的這個流台率我們也做了這個檢討那之前我也看到一個您的訪談就是有提到就是說我們你也承認了其實承接的很多的這個學校其實已經面幾乎是要面臨這個倒閉體質不佳的這個學校來承接這個三加四\n430458\t445087\t真的要倒閉了我們就不會跟他簽約了像之前一直都有這些學生來承接我們三家市的這個班那現在的話我們要如何去淘汰跟篩檢就讓這些學校退場現在我們怎麼處理的這部分\n448249\t473280\t跟委員說明一下就是我們台灣的即職教育其實在過去幾十年其實是相當成功的它也培養了我們台灣無數的這些這個勞動力以及優質的人力那很多的老闆企業都是從這樣子的一個苦學出身那所以即職教育在台灣並不是像今天說的這樣都是不好的\n473820\t503460\t但是有一些後段班的由於他的這個可能教師人數不足或者是學校經營不善那麼逐漸有一些狀況所以我們的態度就是我們要服優太弱那太弱的我們事實上是不會跟他做任何合作的可是他現在有些正在承接當中也就是說這個結束之後他比方說有兩個學校確實是這樣他們後面他們就不能再承接了他們現在只剩下高三的那一班辦完他們就結束了\n503680\t510221\t所以後來我們就在淘汰當中我們有在增加新的學校但是我們也有淘汰不好的學校所以我們蘿蔔棍子當然都是要同步那作為政府當然是不能不教而殺我們一定是先給予輔導先給予相關的協助那麼如果他還在不改善的狀況影響學生的教學這個就學權益或者說是沒有辦法達到我們的標準那我們只好讓他退場\n531565\t539787\t一方面是先減人數跟減班再者就是重則我們就把這個約就取消所以這個我們都每年每年重新再檢視\n541240\t567509\tOK 好 謝謝委員長當然最近這兩個會期跟委員長都討論這個三家市當然我也很開心看到說我們有逐步在做改善因為說實在的三家市連美國都在注意到就是說我們這些學生來到底是來做打工嗎還是來上學不會讓人口販運的事情發生在我們的政策裡面是 所以這個部分這是我們要特別留意的地方OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請徐委員長好 請徐委員長 謝謝\n委員長早安委員長早安委員長今天針對這個僑委會的這個會務的工作呢做了非常詳細的這個報告那其中呢也提到了為了抑制台灣產業所需呢我們開設了符合產業升級需求的這個僑生專班那這些專班呢受到其實受到媒體跟大家關注的\n其實就是我們過去一直討論的三加四的產學專班那上個會期我也跟委員長討論過就是說其實目前呢能夠成功畢業三加四的學生並不多那委員長有提到就是說針對我們之前討論的問題我們交友會會一一的來處理跟解決\n那上個會期我們所提到的就是語言的問題當然我有今天看到這個報告就是說委員長有提到就是我們今年呢將要推動僑生專班學生華語文加強的這個計畫因為上個會期我也跟委員長提到就是說其實有很多的這一個僑外生來到台灣之後呢因為對這個這個華語文的這個不熟悉所以呢產生了這個學習的這個障礙所以我們現在看到就是說僑友會呢有要來改進就是說\n想透過這個華語文的輔導跟這個教室的培訓提升學生的這個華語能力那之前我也有看到一個報導就是說委員長有提到就是說從今年的九月份新生我們可能就會來一個完整的一個在校學習的這個課程因為我知道像過去的話\n讓大家抨擊的就是說有很多學生一下飛機其實馬上就送到工廠去做實習他們連語言都不通連課都還沒有上就已經送到工廠裡面去做實習這部分的一直都是受到抨擊的那當然這部分我有看到是全國會有提到就是說今年九月開始新生必須要完整上一個學期的這個課程好那這部分委員長這個部分有沒有比較詳細的一個說法\n我們其實是有一個系列的改善措施包括我們從去年的12月開始我們就要求28個跟我們有簽約合作的高職必須每個學校都要派他們的華語教師來參加我們的進修課程那因為僑生的這個華語學習的需求跟我們本地生從小學習華語的這個樣態是不同的\n因此在使用教材方面我們也提供他們用我們新的雙語教材的模式來協助老師讓他在教學現場比較能夠掌握學生的學習跟互動的量能這是第一個部分其次我們也跟教育部做了非常多的細節的討論所以從今年度新的九月份第一批新的新生進來的時候我們就要落實開始前三個月到四個月\n在學校做這個第一階段的所謂語言篩選分流分成初級中級高級如果他的華語已經進到高級階段的他可以選修第二外國語其他的語言來強化他的這個競爭力但是中級跟初級的部分呢就是一樣要繼續參加我們的華語班那這個華語班呢在結束之後我們會有一個簡單的叫做快篩\n用快篩的方式來判斷他是不是已經到達可以出去做實習一般生活的這個需求所以快篩有通過了之後呢才會讓他進入這個實習的場域這個是我們今年也跟教育部開會做成的一些決議所以馬上9月就要來落實執行那教育部也支持我們這樣的一個計畫的執行那我們可以預期就是說今年的12月\n以後那麼很可能學生在做完這個快篩如果成績每一班的這個數字都有高度的成長我們也會給這些華語教師一定的這個bonus來獎勵他讓他\n覺得說他這樣的教學改善是對學生有幫助的所以我們會有多管齊下的方式那學生呢到畢業以前我們一定要求他通通要到B2以上的應該說A2以上的華語程度他才可以去對接這個技專科技大學就是三年三年結束一定要達到A2那我們第一階段是要達到A1以上\n所以A1到A2之間這兩年當中就是讓他繼續持續的加強語言的學習如果他在第一階段就能夠有所提升會有很大的程度幫助他的適應力還有學習力以及他去實習的溝通所以這個部分我們從去年到今年就持續的在改善當中\n好 謝謝委員長的這個說明因為我一直覺得語言是進入他這個學習很重要的門檻我也看到小委會的這個努力那我知道說三家市成立了將近20年其實它有很多的這個成科真的很需要小委會來做這個解決跟處理因為我發現說三家市不單單一直一再的受到媒體的這個\n關注甚至我之前還看到這個媒體有報導就是說連美國連美國的這個人口販運都提到說我們這個僑生專班都是被關注的這一點所以這部分有影響到台灣的這個國際形象那但除了語言之外我在想教學品質的不佳還有仲介的這個問題都是要委員長這邊來搭搭霍府來做這個處理的我想三家市產業專班原先的\n他的這個建立的其實是一個美意可是\n沒有想到20年來是越走越糟糕委員其實沒有20年我們是103年開始實驗性計畫103年就2014年所以到今年是滿10年10年而已那前幾年因為他的招生規模都很小而且當時也沒有配套措施所以我們在經過檢討以後也確實發現說當時的學生可能念一年兩年三年他們就陸續流失了\n所以真正唸到七年畢業的人數都只有三到四成而已但是這三到四成如果唸到畢業的他真的留在台灣的就業率就高達八成五以上了所以可見得說他如果真的能夠受到台灣好的教育栽培那他留台的機率也變很大我再打下一下是\nOK那之前我們也就這個所謂的這個流台率我們也做了這個檢討那之前我也看到一個您的訪談就是有提到就是說我們你也承認了其實承接的很多的這個學校其實已經面幾乎是要面臨這個倒閉體質不佳的這個學校來承接這個三加四\n真的要倒閉了我們就不會跟他簽約了像之前一直都有這些學生來承接我們三家市的這個班那現在的話我們要如何去淘汰跟篩檢就讓這些學校退場現在我們怎麼處理的這部分\n跟委員說明一下就是我們台灣的即職教育其實在過去幾十年其實是相當成功的它也培養了我們台灣無數的這些這個勞動力以及優質的人力那很多的老闆企業都是從這樣子的一個苦學出身那所以即職教育在台灣並不是像今天說的這樣都是不好的\n但是有一些後段班的由於他的這個可能教師人數不足或者是學校經營不善那麼逐漸有一些狀況所以我們的態度就是我們要服優太弱那太弱的我們事實上是不會跟他做任何合作的可是他現在有些正在承接當中也就是說這個結束之後他比方說有兩個學校確實是這樣他們後面他們就不能再承接了他們現在只剩下高三的那一班辦完他們就結束了\n所以後來我們就在淘汰當中我們有在增加新的學校但是我們也有淘汰不好的學校所以我們蘿蔔棍子當然都是要同步那作為政府當然是不能不教而殺我們一定是先給予輔導先給予相關的協助那麼如果他還在不改善的狀況影響學生的教學這個就學權益或者說是沒有辦法達到我們的標準那我們只好讓他退場\n一方面是先減人數跟減班再者就是重則我們就把這個約就取消所以這個我們都每年每年重新再檢視\nOK 好 謝謝委員長當然最近這兩個會期跟委員長都討論這個三家市當然我也很開心看到說我們有逐步在做改善因為說實在的三家市連美國都在注意到就是說我們這些學生來到底是來做打工嗎還是來上學不會讓人口販運的事情發生在我們的政策裡面是 所以這個部分這是我們要特別留意的地方OK 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.330 --> 00:01.492\n謝謝主席有請徐委員長好請徐委員長謝謝\n\n00:08.718 --> 00:11.979\n委員長早安委員長早安委員長今天針對這個僑委會的這個會務的工作呢做了非常詳細的這個報告那其中呢也提到了為了抑制台灣產業所需呢我們開設了符合產業升級需求的這個僑生專班那這些專班呢受到其實受到媒體跟大家關注的\n\n00:30.783 --> 00:37.946\n其實就是我們過去一直討論的三加四的產學專班那上個會期我也跟委員長討論過就是說其實目前呢能夠成功畢業三加四的學生並不多那委員長有提到就是說針對我們之前討論的問題我們交友會會一一的來處理跟解決\n\n00:53.613 --> 01:01.875\n那上個會期我們所提到的就是語言的問題當然我有今天看到這個報告就是說委員長有提到就是我們今年呢將要推動僑生專班學生華語文加強的這個計畫因為上個會期我也跟委員長提到就是說其實有很多的這一個僑外生來到台灣之後呢因為對這個這個華語文的這個不熟悉所以呢產生了這個學習的這個障礙所以我們現在看到就是說僑友會呢有要來改進就是說\n\n01:21.158 --> 01:40.297\n想透過這個華語文的輔導跟這個教室的培訓提升學生的這個華語能力那之前我也有看到一個報導就是說委員長有提到就是說從今年的九月份新生我們可能就會來一個完整的一個在校學習的這個課程因為我知道像過去的話\n\n01:41.518 --> 02:05.986\n讓大家抨擊的就是說有很多學生一下飛機其實馬上就送到工廠去做實習他們連語言都不通連課都還沒有上就已經送到工廠裡面去做實習這部分的一直都是受到抨擊的那當然這部分我有看到是全國會有提到就是說今年九月開始新生必須要完整上一個學期的這個課程好那這部分委員長這個部分有沒有比較詳細的一個說法\n\n02:08.905 --> 02:14.607\n我們其實是有一個系列的改善措施包括我們從去年的12月開始我們就要求28個跟我們有簽約合作的高職必須每個學校都要派他們的華語教師來參加我們的進修課程那因為僑生的這個華語學習的需求跟我們本地生從小學習華語的這個樣態是不同的\n\n02:35.291 --> 02:59.267\n因此在使用教材方面我們也提供他們用我們新的雙語教材的模式來協助老師讓他在教學現場比較能夠掌握學生的學習跟互動的量能這是第一個部分其次我們也跟教育部做了非常多的細節的討論所以從今年度新的九月份第一批新的新生進來的時候我們就要落實開始前三個月到四個月\n\n03:05.111 --> 03:11.552\n在學校做這個第一階段的所謂語言篩選分流分成初級中級高級如果他的華語已經進到高級階段的他可以選修第二外國語其他的語言來強化他的這個競爭力但是中級跟初級的部分呢就是一樣要繼續參加我們的華語班那這個華語班呢在結束之後我們會有一個簡單的叫做快篩\n\n03:30.476 --> 03:59.199\n用快篩的方式來判斷他是不是已經到達可以出去做實習一般生活的這個需求所以快篩有通過了之後呢才會讓他進入這個實習的場域這個是我們今年也跟教育部開會做成的一些決議所以馬上9月就要來落實執行那教育部也支持我們這樣的一個計畫的執行那我們可以預期就是說今年的12月\n\n04:00.260 --> 04:10.014\n以後那麼很可能學生在做完這個快篩如果成績每一班的這個數字都有高度的成長我們也會給這些華語教師一定的這個bonus來獎勵他讓他\n\n04:15.741 --> 04:37.878\n覺得說他這樣的教學改善是對學生有幫助的所以我們會有多管齊下的方式那學生呢到畢業以前我們一定要求他通通要到B2以上的應該說A2以上的華語程度他才可以去對接這個技專科技大學就是三年三年結束一定要達到A2那我們第一階段是要達到A1以上\n\n04:42.842 --> 05:05.330\n所以A1到A2之間這兩年當中就是讓他繼續持續的加強語言的學習如果他在第一階段就能夠有所提升會有很大的程度幫助他的適應力還有學習力以及他去實習的溝通所以這個部分我們從去年到今年就持續的在改善當中\n\n05:06.030 --> 05:28.878\n好謝謝委員長的這個說明因為我一直覺得語言是進入他這個學習很重要的門檻我也看到小委會的這個努力那我知道說三家市成立了將近20年其實它有很多的這個成科真的很需要小委會來做這個解決跟處理因為我發現說三家市不單單一直一再的受到媒體的這個\n\n05:30.138 --> 05:38.060\n關注甚至我之前還看到這個媒體有報導就是說連美國連美國的這個人口販運都提到說我們這個僑生專班都是被關注的這一點所以這部分有影響到台灣的這個國際形象那但除了語言之外我在想教學品質的不佳還有仲介的這個問題都是要委員長這邊來搭搭霍府來做這個處理的我想三家市產業專班原先的\n\n05:57.483 --> 06:00.800\n他的這個建立的其實是一個美意可是\n\n06:02.233 --> 06:09.659\n沒有想到20年來是越走越糟糕委員其實沒有20年我們是103年開始實驗性計畫103年就2014年所以到今年是滿10年10年而已那前幾年因為他的招生規模都很小而且當時也沒有配套措施所以我們在經過檢討以後也確實發現說當時的學生可能念一年兩年三年他們就陸續流失了\n\n06:29.355 --> 06:48.503\n所以真正唸到七年畢業的人數都只有三到四成而已但是這三到四成如果唸到畢業的他真的留在台灣的就業率就高達八成五以上了所以可見得說他如果真的能夠受到台灣好的教育栽培那他留台的機率也變很大我再打下一下是\n\n06:48.823 --> 07:07.116\nOK那之前我們也就這個所謂的這個流台率我們也做了這個檢討那之前我也看到一個您的訪談就是有提到就是說我們你也承認了其實承接的很多的這個學校其實已經面幾乎是要面臨這個倒閉體質不佳的這個學校來承接這個三加四\n\n07:10.458 --> 07:25.087\n真的要倒閉了我們就不會跟他簽約了像之前一直都有這些學生來承接我們三家市的這個班那現在的話我們要如何去淘汰跟篩檢就讓這些學校退場現在我們怎麼處理的這部分\n\n07:28.249 --> 07:53.280\n跟委員說明一下就是我們台灣的即職教育其實在過去幾十年其實是相當成功的它也培養了我們台灣無數的這些這個勞動力以及優質的人力那很多的老闆企業都是從這樣子的一個苦學出身那所以即職教育在台灣並不是像今天說的這樣都是不好的\n\n07:53.820 --> 08:23.460\n但是有一些後段班的由於他的這個可能教師人數不足或者是學校經營不善那麼逐漸有一些狀況所以我們的態度就是我們要服優太弱那太弱的我們事實上是不會跟他做任何合作的可是他現在有些正在承接當中也就是說這個結束之後他比方說有兩個學校確實是這樣他們後面他們就不能再承接了他們現在只剩下高三的那一班辦完他們就結束了\n\n08:23.680 --> 08:30.221\n所以後來我們就在淘汰當中我們有在增加新的學校但是我們也有淘汰不好的學校所以我們蘿蔔棍子當然都是要同步那作為政府當然是不能不教而殺我們一定是先給予輔導先給予相關的協助那麼如果他還在不改善的狀況影響學生的教學這個就學權益或者說是沒有辦法達到我們的標準那我們只好讓他退場\n\n08:51.565 --> 08:59.787\n一方面是先減人數跟減班再者就是重則我們就把這個約就取消所以這個我們都每年每年重新再檢視\n\n09:01.240 --> 09:27.509\nOK好謝謝委員長當然最近這兩個會期跟委員長都討論這個三家市當然我也很開心看到說我們有逐步在做改善因為說實在的三家市連美國都在注意到就是說我們這些學生來到底是來做打工嗎還是來上學不會讓人口販運的事情發生在我們的政策裡面是所以這個部分這是我們要特別留意的地方OK好以上謝謝謝謝羅委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.33,"end":1.492,"text":"謝謝主席 有請徐委員長好 請徐委員長 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