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00:00:36,442\n蘇偉在你第四頁的報告裡面提到所謂的大南方新矽谷推動方案可是以本席目前查到的資料來看的時候在我們台灣南部的科技園區目前所謂這個真正進駐率是48%比較起說已經成功的新竹科技園區已經高達92%進駐率\n\n3\n00:00:38,223 --> 00:00:51,636\n我想請問一下主委說到目前為止針對這個不管是大南方新矽谷的推動方案也好還是目前這個南科的整個進駐率也好請問目前有沒有什麼激勵方案或是激勵的政策\n\n4\n00:00:53,033 --> 00:01:16,026\n我們所有的科學園區從北到南其實政策都一樣就是搭配我們進駐園區的這些廠商我們所有的機制都一樣但是南部如果委員講的是科技園區科技園區是屬於經濟部所管轄的但是如果是科學園區我們的進駐率現在幾乎都飽和了\n\n5\n00:01:17,407 --> 00:01:33,121\n幾乎都滿了因為本席在這邊知道一個狀況就是說現在全世界在搶這些所謂的明星產業到科學園區去進駐那比較尷尬的就是說我知道的狀況是新加坡目前有一個\n\n6\n00:01:34,002 --> 00:01:57,883\n一個算是稅富優惠他們明星企業到新加坡他們可以享受高達25%的稅富優惠那請問主委您會認為說如果我們就要跟他們競爭的話我們是不是應該提高我們的稅富優惠到30%才能比較容易的去把這些明星企業像是AMD也好NVIDIA也好把它拉過來呢\n\n7\n00:01:59,485 --> 00:02:14,426\n我對於國外企業到台灣來投資這個事情我想各種的優惠措施各個國家其實都在競爭當中那台灣其實我們最重要的競爭力其實是我們有非常好的供應鏈\n\n8\n00:02:15,687 --> 00:02:40,459\n包括傳統產業基礎的這些產業我們對於協助科技產業其實幫助非常大所以我們在科學園區裡面其實也有非常多的國際級的公司進來包括像美光委員提到了AMD跟NVIDIA他們倒不見得會進到科學園區因為他們進到台灣來其實從事的業務主要還是在於\n\n9\n00:02:45,081 --> 00:03:11,318\n做這個他們自己公司本身的這個供應鏈的連結以及應用上面所以不見得會進到我們的科學園區我接下來要提到你剛剛講到工研院也剛剛柯志仁委員在上一場質詢的時候提到人才的問題那嚴格講起來就是說我看到第46頁你就這邊有研究獎勵嘛獎勵特殊優秀人才跟獎勵科研人才\n\n10\n00:03:11,878 --> 00:03:32,140\n這些都對我以前在大學任教現在在大學任教來講其實都是好事但是我們最近也常常聽到一個觀念叫做算力及競爭力及國力也就是說我們如果在未來的這個AI的21世界裡面我們的算力要是沒有比其他我們一個城市的算力沒有比其他強的話我們在競爭力上面就比較辛苦\n\n11\n00:03:34,102 --> 00:04:00,608\n所以說如何把我們現在已經訓練出來的這些AI博士這些AI的這些專業人才讓他留在台灣那會變成是很重要的一塊那我想請問主委有沒有考慮過因為目前我得到的資料裡面只有台積電跟聯發科有所謂去正式去聘用這些所謂的QuantumPhD也就是所謂的量子物理學的博士目前他們就這兩家公司有去請到\n\n12\n00:04:01,508 --> 00:04:23,634\n那有沒有想過說在這邊透過國科會跟業界直接合作去製造一個所謂的量子的工程師不管是量子物理學工程師還是其他的量子方面的工程師因為量子物理學的整個研究領域是很廣的有沒有考慮說由國科會跟這個企業直接去合作去開這樣的joblisting\n\n13\n00:04:25,295 --> 00:04:44,582\n國會現在在量子我們現在講量子科技是從傳統的量子力學它是理論演變過來那現在進到這個科技領域我們現在有兩個方向在發展一個方向就是希望也能夠跟世界比較先進的國家一樣\n\n14\n00:04:45,382 --> 00:05:10,423\n能夠發展將來量子運算的一些設備那現在正在努力當中所以我們的量子國家隊裡面包含這個國科會的資助的這個學界以及中央研究院大概分成這兩部分中央研究院現在正在努力在建置量子運算的這個設備已經達到目前的成果已經達到五個我們叫量子位元的這樣的這個運算的這個基礎\n\n15\n00:05:13,386 --> 00:05:13,828\n那在國會這邊我們有這個\n\n16\n00:05:17,594 --> 00:05:45,179\n量子國家隊的這個成員包含學界的所有的各學校的這個教授他們研究的是比較基礎的包含量子的委員提到的量子物理理論的這個研究還有材料的研究主委不好意思其實我了解說我們官方目前獨立有在做這方面的事情為什麼我會特地說能不能開始想說跟這個業界做一定程度的collaboration做一定程度的合作因為據我所知道\n\n17\n00:05:45,859 --> 00:06:06,266\n我們每培養出來不知道現在這個是只有100個我們去年只有培養出來100個AI博士還是我們培養出來每100個AI博士留在台灣的只有35個也就是有35%的人留在台灣其他65%的人都被外國或外國企業給吸引走那這個其實對我們台灣的人才來講是很傷的\n\n18\n00:06:07,486 --> 00:06:22,813\n剛剛不只是柯智恩委員講到說人才是我們台灣最寶貴的資產而如果我們真的要發展所謂的算力那我們的AI博士好不容易辛苦訓練出來的人才就這樣被外國拉走的時候我會認為說這是很可惜的\n\n19\n00:06:23,573 --> 00:06:38,275\n我們老實講我聽過一個企業家講過一句話出理不出的道理他說這個人才留不下來一錢給的不夠二心受委屈了那對於韓國來講他們當然有如果我就以韓國來講因為我們畢竟來講我們最大的科技競爭對手應該是韓國\n\n20\n00:06:40,437 --> 00:07:04,691\n韓國他們對於他們的AI工程師或他們的AI博士他們第一時間提出就是免服兵役的優惠第二時間他們就提出很高的高額獎金不管是業界也好還是工理業也好他們提出很高額的獎金把他們留下來那我想請問說我們主委有沒有考慮跟各部會來去做這樣的合作來把我們的AI博士把我們的AI的人才留在台灣優先呢\n\n21\n00:07:05,709 --> 00:07:34,552\n非常謝謝委員的這個建議我覺得這個建議很好就是說我們的這個AI的人才特別是能夠念到博士學位其實現在是很少啦很多人念了這個碩士學位以後他選擇是到國外去發展因為創新的這個地方才有這個AI人才發揮的這個餘地嘛我們當然很幸運的我們主席也是也是AI博士啦非常寶貴的人才但是我們需要更多的這個AI的人才\n\n22\n00:07:35,152 --> 00:07:50,469\n他能夠把台灣當作是一個創新的一個基地能夠做各種各樣的新的包含模型的這個發展應用特別是在應用的領域協助各行各業能夠做很多創新應用系統的這個開發把這個台灣變成AI之島我很期待是這個樣子\n\n23\n00:07:57,096 --> 00:08:24,134\n分享一下我覺得因為我在國外也很長一段時間那基本上每個在台灣外地上班外地留學的學生都會想回來台灣工作當然還是那句話錢給的不夠心受委屈了可是這一點來講的話我就會建請說我們國科委真的好好考慮跟業界來合作是不是能夠撞到說我們剛開始這段質詢剛才講的量子工程師或各方面的東西讓我們流外的人才願意早點回來幫我們國家服務\n\n24\n00:08:26,155 --> 00:08:42,340\n不好意思那還有另外一個議題要討論就是說因為我是基隆來的委員所以對於海洋科研方面我會比較注重那其實海洋科研來講我們台灣四面四海我們自取是個海洋國家雖然我們法國\n\n25\n00:08:43,300 --> 00:08:54,784\n國際上面還是所謂的大陸法規這大陸法則就是比較以內陸為主的但是既然我們是海洋國家的話我就想請教主委說在我們的海洋科學研究裡面我們的總經費大概多少\n\n26\n00:09:05,230 --> 00:09:15,877\n總經費為什麼這樣講的原因是說因為海洋科學研究其實很重要尤其是各方面的AI在進步當中的時候那我也是同樣的不是像\n\n27\n00:09:16,477 --> 00:09:36,141\n自詡為海洋國家在海洋科技研究上面會再種資本的不是只有台灣日本韓國新加坡也都是我們的合作夥伴也是競爭對手那等於我們是不是我們跟他們經費不要說錢一樣多就是比例上面是不是跟他們相似還是比他們高還是比他們低呢\n\n28\n00:09:38,106 --> 00:09:59,542\n報告委員這一點的確是我們現在努力的方向有關這個海洋科技的研究我們現在其實已經啟動一個規劃的工作就是希望能夠把我們的海洋中心能夠擴大剛剛委員提到就是說在我們的東北角海岸在東岸\n\n29\n00:10:00,462 --> 00:10:28,421\n我們要投入這個研究的這個能量的確是現在我們規劃當中是未來要擴充的那期待就是我們現在開始要編列明年115年的這個預算的時候我們能夠在現在已經在規劃當中能夠把這一項納進來擴充我們的海洋中心也能夠延伸到不是只有照顧我們的西南海岸而已能夠延伸到東南東北\n\n30\n00:10:28,841 --> 00:10:54,253\n蠻重要的是就是說我個人認為美國氣象跟大氣總署的NOAA美國海洋跟大氣總署他們其實現在已經在用AI來去做所謂漁群在漁業上面的監控跟漁群上面的偵測同樣的技術老實講AI這個技術既然有了應該不管包括大數據還是包括深度學習應該都不困難\n\n31\n00:10:54,913 --> 00:11:12,848\n因為我是從基隆來的我們基隆的漁業算是蠻重要的一環有沒有特地去用這種AI跟大數據跟深度學習的AI這種組合型的工具或模組來去追蹤或者是去預測未來漁群的移動呢\n\n32\n00:11:16,132 --> 00:11:40,446\n這一種研究就是有關這個漁業漁群的這種利用AI的研究我們的確是鼓勵很多的教授我們現在有沒有這個計畫應該有現在應該有如果沒有的話我想請國科會老實講基隆是海洋重鎮那對於這個海洋科技研究上面來講我們不敢講說經費一定要比別人多但是應該要有一個合理的配置我們現在自然處有一個指揮海洋重鎮\n\n33\n00:11:41,127 --> 00:11:55,202\n如果可以的話建請主委在這邊多關注一點尤其是有關漁群這方面如果美國已經在做對於他們的漁業的監控是用AI的話那我覺得我們中華民國也是有同樣的能力去做到同樣的同樣是沒問題謝謝委員好謝謝蘇委謝謝林培祥委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t11694\t委員質詢謝謝主席 有請主委有請主委備質詢 謝謝\n17912\t36442\t蘇偉在你第四頁的報告裡面提到所謂的大南方新矽谷推動方案可是以本席目前查到的資料來看的時候在我們台灣南部的科技園區目前所謂這個真正進駐率是48%比較起說已經成功的新竹科技園區已經高達92%進駐率\n38223\t51636\t我想請問一下主委說到目前為止針對這個不管是大南方新矽谷的推動方案也好還是目前這個南科的整個進駐率也好請問目前有沒有什麼激勵方案或是激勵的政策\n53033\t76026\t我們所有的科學園區從北到南其實政策都一樣就是搭配我們進駐園區的這些廠商我們所有的機制都一樣但是南部如果委員講的是科技園區科技園區是屬於經濟部所管轄的但是如果是科學園區我們的進駐率現在幾乎都飽和了\n77407\t93121\t幾乎都滿了因為本席在這邊知道一個狀況就是說現在全世界在搶這些所謂的明星產業到科學園區去進駐那比較尷尬的就是說我知道的狀況是新加坡目前有一個\n94002\t117883\t一個算是稅富優惠他們明星企業到新加坡他們可以享受高達25%的稅富優惠那請問主委您會認為說如果我們就要跟他們競爭的話我們是不是應該提高我們的稅富優惠到30%才能比較容易的去把這些明星企業像是AMD也好NVIDIA也好把它拉過來呢\n119485\t134426\t我對於國外企業到台灣來投資這個事情我想各種的優惠措施各個國家其實都在競爭當中那台灣其實我們最重要的競爭力其實是我們有非常好的供應鏈\n135687\t160459\t包括傳統產業基礎的這些產業我們對於協助科技產業其實幫助非常大所以我們在科學園區裡面其實也有非常多的國際級的公司進來包括像美光委員提到了AMD跟NVIDIA他們倒不見得會進到科學園區因為他們進到台灣來其實從事的業務主要還是在於\n165081\t191318\t做這個他們自己公司本身的這個供應鏈的連結以及應用上面所以不見得會進到我們的科學園區我接下來要提到你剛剛講到工研院也剛剛柯志仁委員在上一場質詢的時候提到人才的問題那嚴格講起來就是說我看到第46頁你就這邊有研究獎勵嘛獎勵特殊優秀人才跟獎勵科研人才\n191878\t212140\t這些都對我以前在大學任教現在在大學任教來講其實都是好事但是我們最近也常常聽到一個觀念叫做算力及競爭力及國力也就是說我們如果在未來的這個AI的21世界裡面我們的算力要是沒有比其他我們一個城市的算力沒有比其他強的話我們在競爭力上面就比較辛苦\n214102\t240608\t所以說如何把我們現在已經訓練出來的這些AI博士這些AI的這些專業人才讓他留在台灣那會變成是很重要的一塊那我想請問主委有沒有考慮過因為目前我得到的資料裡面只有台積電跟聯發科有所謂去正式去聘用這些所謂的Quantum PhD也就是所謂的量子物理學的博士目前他們就這兩家公司有去請到\n241508\t263634\t那有沒有想過說在這邊透過國科會跟業界直接合作去製造一個所謂的量子的工程師不管是量子物理學工程師還是其他的量子方面的工程師因為量子物理學的整個研究領域是很廣的有沒有考慮說由國科會跟這個企業直接去合作去開這樣的job listing\n265295\t284582\t國會現在在量子我們現在講量子科技是從傳統的量子力學它是理論演變過來那現在進到這個科技領域我們現在有兩個方向在發展一個方向就是希望也能夠跟世界比較先進的國家一樣\n285382\t310423\t能夠發展將來量子運算的一些設備那現在正在努力當中所以我們的量子國家隊裡面包含這個國科會的資助的這個學界以及中央研究院大概分成這兩部分中央研究院現在正在努力在建置量子運算的這個設備已經達到目前的成果已經達到五個我們叫量子位元的這樣的這個運算的這個基礎\n313386\t313828\t那在國會這邊我們有這個\n317594\t345179\t量子國家隊的這個成員包含學界的所有的各學校的這個教授他們研究的是比較基礎的包含量子的委員提到的量子物理理論的這個研究還有材料的研究主委不好意思其實我了解說我們官方目前獨立有在做這方面的事情為什麼我會特地說能不能開始想說跟這個業界做一定程度的collaboration做一定程度的合作因為據我所知道\n345859\t366266\t我們每培養出來不知道現在這個是只有100個我們去年只有培養出來100個AI博士還是我們培養出來每100個AI博士留在台灣的只有35個也就是有35%的人留在台灣其他65%的人都被外國或外國企業給吸引走那這個其實對我們台灣的人才來講是很傷的\n367486\t382813\t剛剛不只是柯智恩委員講到說人才是我們台灣最寶貴的資產而如果我們真的要發展所謂的算力那我們的AI博士好不容易辛苦訓練出來的人才就這樣被外國拉走的時候我會認為說這是很可惜的\n383573\t398275\t我們老實講我聽過一個企業家講過一句話出理不出的道理他說這個人才留不下來一錢給的不夠二心受委屈了那對於韓國來講他們當然有如果我就以韓國來講因為我們畢竟來講我們最大的科技競爭對手應該是韓國\n400437\t424691\t韓國他們對於他們的AI工程師或他們的AI博士他們第一時間提出就是免服兵役的優惠第二時間他們就提出很高的高額獎金不管是業界也好還是工理業也好他們提出很高額的獎金把他們留下來那我想請問說我們主委有沒有考慮跟各部會來去做這樣的合作來把我們的AI博士把我們的AI的人才留在台灣優先呢\n425709\t454552\t非常謝謝委員的這個建議我覺得這個建議很好就是說我們的這個AI的人才特別是能夠念到博士學位其實現在是很少啦很多人念了這個碩士學位以後他選擇是到國外去發展因為創新的這個地方才有這個AI人才發揮的這個餘地嘛我們當然很幸運的我們主席也是也是AI博士啦非常寶貴的人才但是我們需要更多的這個AI的人才\n455152\t470469\t他能夠把台灣當作是一個創新的一個基地能夠做各種各樣的新的包含模型的這個發展 應用特別是在應用的領域協助各行各業能夠做很多創新應用系統的這個開發把這個台灣變成AI之島我很期待是這個樣子\n477096\t504134\t分享一下我覺得因為我在國外也很長一段時間那基本上每個在台灣外地上班外地留學的學生都會想回來台灣工作當然還是那句話錢給的不夠心受委屈了可是這一點來講的話我就會建請說我們國科委真的好好考慮跟業界來合作是不是能夠撞到說我們剛開始這段質詢剛才講的量子工程師或各方面的東西讓我們流外的人才願意早點回來幫我們國家服務\n506155\t522340\t不好意思那還有另外一個議題要討論就是說因為我是基隆來的委員所以對於海洋科研方面我會比較注重那其實海洋科研來講我們台灣四面四海我們自取是個海洋國家雖然我們法國\n523300\t534784\t國際上面還是所謂的大陸法規這大陸法則就是比較以內陸為主的但是既然我們是海洋國家的話我就想請教主委說在我們的海洋科學研究裡面我們的總經費大概多少\n545230\t555877\t總經費為什麼這樣講的原因是說因為海洋科學研究其實很重要尤其是各方面的AI在進步當中的時候那我也是同樣的不是像\n556477\t576141\t自詡為海洋國家在海洋科技研究上面會再種資本的不是只有台灣日本 韓國 新加坡也都是我們的合作夥伴也是競爭對手那等於我們是不是我們跟他們經費不要說錢一樣多就是比例上面是不是跟他們相似還是比他們高還是比他們低呢\n578106\t599542\t報告委員這一點的確是我們現在努力的方向有關這個海洋科技的研究我們現在其實已經啟動一個規劃的工作就是希望能夠把我們的海洋中心能夠擴大剛剛委員提到就是說在我們的東北角海岸在東岸\n600462\t628421\t我們要投入這個研究的這個能量的確是現在我們規劃當中是未來要擴充的那期待就是我們現在開始要編列明年115年的這個預算的時候我們能夠在現在已經在規劃當中能夠把這一項納進來擴充我們的海洋中心也能夠延伸到不是只有照顧我們的西南海岸而已能夠延伸到東南東北\n628841\t654253\t蠻重要的是就是說我個人認為美國氣象跟大氣總署的NOAA美國海洋跟大氣總署他們其實現在已經在用AI來去做所謂漁群在漁業上面的監控跟漁群上面的偵測同樣的技術老實講AI這個技術既然有了應該不管包括大數據還是包括深度學習應該都不困難\n654913\t672848\t因為我是從基隆來的 我們基隆的漁業算是蠻重要的一環有沒有特地去用這種AI跟大數據跟深度學習的AI這種組合型的工具或模組來去追蹤或者是去預測未來漁群的移動呢\n676132\t700446\t這一種研究就是有關這個漁業漁群的這種利用AI的研究我們的確是鼓勵很多的教授我們現在有沒有這個計畫應該有 現在應該有如果沒有的話我想請國科會老實講基隆是海洋重鎮那對於這個海洋科技研究上面來講我們不敢講說經費一定要比別人多但是應該要有一個合理的配置我們現在自然處有一個指揮海洋重鎮\n701127\t715202\t如果可以的話 建請主委在這邊多關注一點尤其是有關漁群這方面如果美國已經在做對於他們的漁業的監控是用AI的話那我覺得我們中華民國也是有同樣的能力去做到同樣的 同樣是 沒問題謝謝委員好 謝謝蘇委謝謝林培祥委員\n","txt":"委員質詢謝謝主席 有請主委有請主委備質詢 謝謝\n蘇偉在你第四頁的報告裡面提到所謂的大南方新矽谷推動方案可是以本席目前查到的資料來看的時候在我們台灣南部的科技園區目前所謂這個真正進駐率是48%比較起說已經成功的新竹科技園區已經高達92%進駐率\n我想請問一下主委說到目前為止針對這個不管是大南方新矽谷的推動方案也好還是目前這個南科的整個進駐率也好請問目前有沒有什麼激勵方案或是激勵的政策\n我們所有的科學園區從北到南其實政策都一樣就是搭配我們進駐園區的這些廠商我們所有的機制都一樣但是南部如果委員講的是科技園區科技園區是屬於經濟部所管轄的但是如果是科學園區我們的進駐率現在幾乎都飽和了\n幾乎都滿了因為本席在這邊知道一個狀況就是說現在全世界在搶這些所謂的明星產業到科學園區去進駐那比較尷尬的就是說我知道的狀況是新加坡目前有一個\n一個算是稅富優惠他們明星企業到新加坡他們可以享受高達25%的稅富優惠那請問主委您會認為說如果我們就要跟他們競爭的話我們是不是應該提高我們的稅富優惠到30%才能比較容易的去把這些明星企業像是AMD也好NVIDIA也好把它拉過來呢\n我對於國外企業到台灣來投資這個事情我想各種的優惠措施各個國家其實都在競爭當中那台灣其實我們最重要的競爭力其實是我們有非常好的供應鏈\n包括傳統產業基礎的這些產業我們對於協助科技產業其實幫助非常大所以我們在科學園區裡面其實也有非常多的國際級的公司進來包括像美光委員提到了AMD跟NVIDIA他們倒不見得會進到科學園區因為他們進到台灣來其實從事的業務主要還是在於\n做這個他們自己公司本身的這個供應鏈的連結以及應用上面所以不見得會進到我們的科學園區我接下來要提到你剛剛講到工研院也剛剛柯志仁委員在上一場質詢的時候提到人才的問題那嚴格講起來就是說我看到第46頁你就這邊有研究獎勵嘛獎勵特殊優秀人才跟獎勵科研人才\n這些都對我以前在大學任教現在在大學任教來講其實都是好事但是我們最近也常常聽到一個觀念叫做算力及競爭力及國力也就是說我們如果在未來的這個AI的21世界裡面我們的算力要是沒有比其他我們一個城市的算力沒有比其他強的話我們在競爭力上面就比較辛苦\n所以說如何把我們現在已經訓練出來的這些AI博士這些AI的這些專業人才讓他留在台灣那會變成是很重要的一塊那我想請問主委有沒有考慮過因為目前我得到的資料裡面只有台積電跟聯發科有所謂去正式去聘用這些所謂的Quantum PhD也就是所謂的量子物理學的博士目前他們就這兩家公司有去請到\n那有沒有想過說在這邊透過國科會跟業界直接合作去製造一個所謂的量子的工程師不管是量子物理學工程師還是其他的量子方面的工程師因為量子物理學的整個研究領域是很廣的有沒有考慮說由國科會跟這個企業直接去合作去開這樣的job listing\n國會現在在量子我們現在講量子科技是從傳統的量子力學它是理論演變過來那現在進到這個科技領域我們現在有兩個方向在發展一個方向就是希望也能夠跟世界比較先進的國家一樣\n能夠發展將來量子運算的一些設備那現在正在努力當中所以我們的量子國家隊裡面包含這個國科會的資助的這個學界以及中央研究院大概分成這兩部分中央研究院現在正在努力在建置量子運算的這個設備已經達到目前的成果已經達到五個我們叫量子位元的這樣的這個運算的這個基礎\n那在國會這邊我們有這個\n量子國家隊的這個成員包含學界的所有的各學校的這個教授他們研究的是比較基礎的包含量子的委員提到的量子物理理論的這個研究還有材料的研究主委不好意思其實我了解說我們官方目前獨立有在做這方面的事情為什麼我會特地說能不能開始想說跟這個業界做一定程度的collaboration做一定程度的合作因為據我所知道\n我們每培養出來不知道現在這個是只有100個我們去年只有培養出來100個AI博士還是我們培養出來每100個AI博士留在台灣的只有35個也就是有35%的人留在台灣其他65%的人都被外國或外國企業給吸引走那這個其實對我們台灣的人才來講是很傷的\n剛剛不只是柯智恩委員講到說人才是我們台灣最寶貴的資產而如果我們真的要發展所謂的算力那我們的AI博士好不容易辛苦訓練出來的人才就這樣被外國拉走的時候我會認為說這是很可惜的\n我們老實講我聽過一個企業家講過一句話出理不出的道理他說這個人才留不下來一錢給的不夠二心受委屈了那對於韓國來講他們當然有如果我就以韓國來講因為我們畢竟來講我們最大的科技競爭對手應該是韓國\n韓國他們對於他們的AI工程師或他們的AI博士他們第一時間提出就是免服兵役的優惠第二時間他們就提出很高的高額獎金不管是業界也好還是工理業也好他們提出很高額的獎金把他們留下來那我想請問說我們主委有沒有考慮跟各部會來去做這樣的合作來把我們的AI博士把我們的AI的人才留在台灣優先呢\n非常謝謝委員的這個建議我覺得這個建議很好就是說我們的這個AI的人才特別是能夠念到博士學位其實現在是很少啦很多人念了這個碩士學位以後他選擇是到國外去發展因為創新的這個地方才有這個AI人才發揮的這個餘地嘛我們當然很幸運的我們主席也是也是AI博士啦非常寶貴的人才但是我們需要更多的這個AI的人才\n他能夠把台灣當作是一個創新的一個基地能夠做各種各樣的新的包含模型的這個發展 應用特別是在應用的領域協助各行各業能夠做很多創新應用系統的這個開發把這個台灣變成AI之島我很期待是這個樣子\n分享一下我覺得因為我在國外也很長一段時間那基本上每個在台灣外地上班外地留學的學生都會想回來台灣工作當然還是那句話錢給的不夠心受委屈了可是這一點來講的話我就會建請說我們國科委真的好好考慮跟業界來合作是不是能夠撞到說我們剛開始這段質詢剛才講的量子工程師或各方面的東西讓我們流外的人才願意早點回來幫我們國家服務\n不好意思那還有另外一個議題要討論就是說因為我是基隆來的委員所以對於海洋科研方面我會比較注重那其實海洋科研來講我們台灣四面四海我們自取是個海洋國家雖然我們法國\n國際上面還是所謂的大陸法規這大陸法則就是比較以內陸為主的但是既然我們是海洋國家的話我就想請教主委說在我們的海洋科學研究裡面我們的總經費大概多少\n總經費為什麼這樣講的原因是說因為海洋科學研究其實很重要尤其是各方面的AI在進步當中的時候那我也是同樣的不是像\n自詡為海洋國家在海洋科技研究上面會再種資本的不是只有台灣日本 韓國 新加坡也都是我們的合作夥伴也是競爭對手那等於我們是不是我們跟他們經費不要說錢一樣多就是比例上面是不是跟他們相似還是比他們高還是比他們低呢\n報告委員這一點的確是我們現在努力的方向有關這個海洋科技的研究我們現在其實已經啟動一個規劃的工作就是希望能夠把我們的海洋中心能夠擴大剛剛委員提到就是說在我們的東北角海岸在東岸\n我們要投入這個研究的這個能量的確是現在我們規劃當中是未來要擴充的那期待就是我們現在開始要編列明年115年的這個預算的時候我們能夠在現在已經在規劃當中能夠把這一項納進來擴充我們的海洋中心也能夠延伸到不是只有照顧我們的西南海岸而已能夠延伸到東南東北\n蠻重要的是就是說我個人認為美國氣象跟大氣總署的NOAA美國海洋跟大氣總署他們其實現在已經在用AI來去做所謂漁群在漁業上面的監控跟漁群上面的偵測同樣的技術老實講AI這個技術既然有了應該不管包括大數據還是包括深度學習應該都不困難\n因為我是從基隆來的 我們基隆的漁業算是蠻重要的一環有沒有特地去用這種AI跟大數據跟深度學習的AI這種組合型的工具或模組來去追蹤或者是去預測未來漁群的移動呢\n這一種研究就是有關這個漁業漁群的這種利用AI的研究我們的確是鼓勵很多的教授我們現在有沒有這個計畫應該有 現在應該有如果沒有的話我想請國科會老實講基隆是海洋重鎮那對於這個海洋科技研究上面來講我們不敢講說經費一定要比別人多但是應該要有一個合理的配置我們現在自然處有一個指揮海洋重鎮\n如果可以的話 建請主委在這邊多關注一點尤其是有關漁群這方面如果美國已經在做對於他們的漁業的監控是用AI的話那我覺得我們中華民國也是有同樣的能力去做到同樣的 同樣是 沒問題謝謝委員好 謝謝蘇委謝謝林培祥委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:11.694\n委員質詢謝謝主席有請主委有請主委備質詢謝謝\n\n00:17.912 --> 00:36.442\n蘇偉在你第四頁的報告裡面提到所謂的大南方新矽谷推動方案可是以本席目前查到的資料來看的時候在我們台灣南部的科技園區目前所謂這個真正進駐率是48%比較起說已經成功的新竹科技園區已經高達92%進駐率\n\n00:38.223 --> 00:51.636\n我想請問一下主委說到目前為止針對這個不管是大南方新矽谷的推動方案也好還是目前這個南科的整個進駐率也好請問目前有沒有什麼激勵方案或是激勵的政策\n\n00:53.033 --> 01:16.026\n我們所有的科學園區從北到南其實政策都一樣就是搭配我們進駐園區的這些廠商我們所有的機制都一樣但是南部如果委員講的是科技園區科技園區是屬於經濟部所管轄的但是如果是科學園區我們的進駐率現在幾乎都飽和了\n\n01:17.407 --> 01:33.121\n幾乎都滿了因為本席在這邊知道一個狀況就是說現在全世界在搶這些所謂的明星產業到科學園區去進駐那比較尷尬的就是說我知道的狀況是新加坡目前有一個\n\n01:34.002 --> 01:57.883\n一個算是稅富優惠他們明星企業到新加坡他們可以享受高達25%的稅富優惠那請問主委您會認為說如果我們就要跟他們競爭的話我們是不是應該提高我們的稅富優惠到30%才能比較容易的去把這些明星企業像是AMD也好NVIDIA也好把它拉過來呢\n\n01:59.485 --> 02:14.426\n我對於國外企業到台灣來投資這個事情我想各種的優惠措施各個國家其實都在競爭當中那台灣其實我們最重要的競爭力其實是我們有非常好的供應鏈\n\n02:15.687 --> 02:40.459\n包括傳統產業基礎的這些產業我們對於協助科技產業其實幫助非常大所以我們在科學園區裡面其實也有非常多的國際級的公司進來包括像美光委員提到了AMD跟NVIDIA他們倒不見得會進到科學園區因為他們進到台灣來其實從事的業務主要還是在於\n\n02:45.081 --> 03:11.318\n做這個他們自己公司本身的這個供應鏈的連結以及應用上面所以不見得會進到我們的科學園區我接下來要提到你剛剛講到工研院也剛剛柯志仁委員在上一場質詢的時候提到人才的問題那嚴格講起來就是說我看到第46頁你就這邊有研究獎勵嘛獎勵特殊優秀人才跟獎勵科研人才\n\n03:11.878 --> 03:32.140\n這些都對我以前在大學任教現在在大學任教來講其實都是好事但是我們最近也常常聽到一個觀念叫做算力及競爭力及國力也就是說我們如果在未來的這個AI的21世界裡面我們的算力要是沒有比其他我們一個城市的算力沒有比其他強的話我們在競爭力上面就比較辛苦\n\n03:34.102 --> 04:00.608\n所以說如何把我們現在已經訓練出來的這些AI博士這些AI的這些專業人才讓他留在台灣那會變成是很重要的一塊那我想請問主委有沒有考慮過因為目前我得到的資料裡面只有台積電跟聯發科有所謂去正式去聘用這些所謂的QuantumPhD也就是所謂的量子物理學的博士目前他們就這兩家公司有去請到\n\n04:01.508 --> 04:23.634\n那有沒有想過說在這邊透過國科會跟業界直接合作去製造一個所謂的量子的工程師不管是量子物理學工程師還是其他的量子方面的工程師因為量子物理學的整個研究領域是很廣的有沒有考慮說由國科會跟這個企業直接去合作去開這樣的joblisting\n\n04:25.295 --> 04:44.582\n國會現在在量子我們現在講量子科技是從傳統的量子力學它是理論演變過來那現在進到這個科技領域我們現在有兩個方向在發展一個方向就是希望也能夠跟世界比較先進的國家一樣\n\n04:45.382 --> 05:10.423\n能夠發展將來量子運算的一些設備那現在正在努力當中所以我們的量子國家隊裡面包含這個國科會的資助的這個學界以及中央研究院大概分成這兩部分中央研究院現在正在努力在建置量子運算的這個設備已經達到目前的成果已經達到五個我們叫量子位元的這樣的這個運算的這個基礎\n\n05:13.386 --> 05:13.828\n那在國會這邊我們有這個\n\n05:17.594 --> 05:45.179\n量子國家隊的這個成員包含學界的所有的各學校的這個教授他們研究的是比較基礎的包含量子的委員提到的量子物理理論的這個研究還有材料的研究主委不好意思其實我了解說我們官方目前獨立有在做這方面的事情為什麼我會特地說能不能開始想說跟這個業界做一定程度的collaboration做一定程度的合作因為據我所知道\n\n05:45.859 --> 06:06.266\n我們每培養出來不知道現在這個是只有100個我們去年只有培養出來100個AI博士還是我們培養出來每100個AI博士留在台灣的只有35個也就是有35%的人留在台灣其他65%的人都被外國或外國企業給吸引走那這個其實對我們台灣的人才來講是很傷的\n\n06:07.486 --> 06:22.813\n剛剛不只是柯智恩委員講到說人才是我們台灣最寶貴的資產而如果我們真的要發展所謂的算力那我們的AI博士好不容易辛苦訓練出來的人才就這樣被外國拉走的時候我會認為說這是很可惜的\n\n06:23.573 --> 06:38.275\n我們老實講我聽過一個企業家講過一句話出理不出的道理他說這個人才留不下來一錢給的不夠二心受委屈了那對於韓國來講他們當然有如果我就以韓國來講因為我們畢竟來講我們最大的科技競爭對手應該是韓國\n\n06:40.437 --> 07:04.691\n韓國他們對於他們的AI工程師或他們的AI博士他們第一時間提出就是免服兵役的優惠第二時間他們就提出很高的高額獎金不管是業界也好還是工理業也好他們提出很高額的獎金把他們留下來那我想請問說我們主委有沒有考慮跟各部會來去做這樣的合作來把我們的AI博士把我們的AI的人才留在台灣優先呢\n\n07:05.709 --> 07:34.552\n非常謝謝委員的這個建議我覺得這個建議很好就是說我們的這個AI的人才特別是能夠念到博士學位其實現在是很少啦很多人念了這個碩士學位以後他選擇是到國外去發展因為創新的這個地方才有這個AI人才發揮的這個餘地嘛我們當然很幸運的我們主席也是也是AI博士啦非常寶貴的人才但是我們需要更多的這個AI的人才\n\n07:35.152 --> 07:50.469\n他能夠把台灣當作是一個創新的一個基地能夠做各種各樣的新的包含模型的這個發展應用特別是在應用的領域協助各行各業能夠做很多創新應用系統的這個開發把這個台灣變成AI之島我很期待是這個樣子\n\n07:57.096 --> 08:24.134\n分享一下我覺得因為我在國外也很長一段時間那基本上每個在台灣外地上班外地留學的學生都會想回來台灣工作當然還是那句話錢給的不夠心受委屈了可是這一點來講的話我就會建請說我們國科委真的好好考慮跟業界來合作是不是能夠撞到說我們剛開始這段質詢剛才講的量子工程師或各方面的東西讓我們流外的人才願意早點回來幫我們國家服務\n\n08:26.155 --> 08:42.340\n不好意思那還有另外一個議題要討論就是說因為我是基隆來的委員所以對於海洋科研方面我會比較注重那其實海洋科研來講我們台灣四面四海我們自取是個海洋國家雖然我們法國\n\n08:43.300 --> 08:54.784\n國際上面還是所謂的大陸法規這大陸法則就是比較以內陸為主的但是既然我們是海洋國家的話我就想請教主委說在我們的海洋科學研究裡面我們的總經費大概多少\n\n09:05.230 --> 09:15.877\n總經費為什麼這樣講的原因是說因為海洋科學研究其實很重要尤其是各方面的AI在進步當中的時候那我也是同樣的不是像\n\n09:16.477 --> 09:36.141\n自詡為海洋國家在海洋科技研究上面會再種資本的不是只有台灣日本韓國新加坡也都是我們的合作夥伴也是競爭對手那等於我們是不是我們跟他們經費不要說錢一樣多就是比例上面是不是跟他們相似還是比他們高還是比他們低呢\n\n09:38.106 --> 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physics PhD，也就是所謂的量子物理學博士，目前就他們這兩家公司有去請到。你有沒有想過在這邊透過國科會跟業界直接合作，去製造一個所謂的量子工程師？不管是量子物理學工程師也好，還是其他量子方面的工程師，因為量子物理學整個研究領域是很廣的，有沒有考慮由國科會跟企業直接合作，去開這樣的job listing？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們現在講量子科技是從傳統的量子力學，它是理論演變過來，現在進到科技領域，我們現在有兩個方向在發展，一個方向就是希望也能夠跟世界比較先進的國家一樣，能夠發展將來量子運算的一些設備，現在正在努力當中，所以我們的量子國家隊裡面包含國科會資助的學界以及中央研究院，大概分成這兩部分。中央研究院現在正在努力建置量子運算的設備，目前的成果已經達到5個我們叫量子位元這樣的運算基礎。在國科會這邊，我們量子國家隊的成員包含學界各學校的教授，他們研究的是比較基礎的，包含委員提到的量子物理理論的研究，還有材料的研究，還有……"],["林委員沛祥：主委，不好意思，其實我了解我們官方目前有獨立在做這方面的事情，為什麼我會特地說能不能開始想跟業界做一定程度的cooperation，做一定程度的合作？因為據我所知道，我們每培養出來，不知道現在這個是只有100個，我們去年只有培養出來100個AI博士，還是我們培養出來每100個AI博士，留在臺灣的只有35個？也就是只有35%的人留在臺灣，其他65%的人都被外國或外國企業吸引走，這個其實對我們臺灣的人才來講是很傷的。剛剛不止柯志恩委員講到人才是我們臺灣最寶貴的資產，如果我們真的要發展所謂的算力，那我們的AI博士好不容易辛苦訓練出來的人才，就這樣被外國拉走的時候，我會認為這是很可惜的。老實講，我聽過一個企業家講過一句話粗理不粗的道理，他說人才留不下來，一、錢給得不夠；二、心受委屈了。對於韓國來講，他們當然有，我就以韓國來講，因為畢竟來講，我們最大的科技競爭對手應該是韓國，韓國他們對於他們的AI工程師或他們的AI博士，第一時間提出就是免服兵役的優惠，第二時間他們就提出很高的高額獎金，不管是業界也好，還是公領域，他們提出很高額的獎金把他們留下來。那我想請問主委，有沒有考慮跟各部會做這樣的合作，把我們的AI博士、把我們的AI人才留在臺灣優先呢？"],["吳主任委員誠文：非常謝謝委員的建議，我覺得這個建議很好，我們的AI人才，特別是能夠念到博士學位，其實現在很少，很多人念了碩士學位以後，他是選擇到國外去發展，因為創新的地方才有AI人才發揮的餘地。當然很幸運的，我們主席也是AI博士，是非常寶貴的人才，但是我們需要更多AI的人才，他能夠把臺灣當作是一個創新的基地，能夠做各種各樣新的、包含模型的發展、應用，特別是在應用的領域協助各行各業，能夠做很多創新應用系統的開發，把臺灣變成AI之島，我很期待是這個樣子。"],["林委員沛祥：我跟主委分享一下，因為我在國外很長一段時間，基本上每一個在外地上班、外地留學的學生，都想回來臺灣工作，當然還是那句話，錢給得不夠、心受委屈了，可是這一點來講的話，我就會建請國科會真的好好考慮跟業界合作，看是不是能夠創造出我們剛剛開始這段質詢講的量子工程師，或各方面的東西，讓我們留外的人才願意早點回來幫我們國家服務。","不好意思，我還有另外一個議題要討論，因為我是基隆來的委員，所以對於海洋科研方面我會比較注重。其實對海洋科研來講，我們臺灣四面是海，我們自詡是一個海洋國家，雖然我認為我們的法規還是採取所謂的大陸法則，就是比較以內陸為主，但是既然我們是海洋國家，我就想請教主委，在我們的海洋科學研究裡面，我們的經費占總經費大概多少？"],["吳主任委員誠文：總經費……"],["林委員沛祥：我為什麼這樣講的原因是說，因為海洋科學研究其實很重要，尤其是AI在進步當中的時候，同樣的，自詡為海洋國家，在海洋科技研究上面會下重資本的不是只有臺灣，日本、韓國、新加坡也都是我們的合作夥伴，也是競爭對手，我們跟他們的經費，不要說錢一樣多，就是比例上面是不是跟他們相似？還是比他們高？還是比他們低呢？"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，這一點的確是我們現在努力的方向，有關海洋科技的研究，我們現在其實已經啟動一個規劃的工作，就是希望能夠把我們的海洋中心擴大。剛剛委員提到在我們的東北角海岸、在東岸，我們要投入研究的能量，的確是現在我們規劃當中是未來要擴充的，期待我們現在開始要編列明（115）年預算的時候，我們現在已經在規劃當中，能夠把這一項納進來，擴充我們的海洋中心，也能夠延伸，不是只有照顧我們的西南海岸而已，還能夠延伸到東岸。"],["林委員沛祥：我提一個滿重要的事，我個人認為，美國海洋暨大氣總署（NOAA）其實現在已經在用AI做漁業上面的監控跟魚群的偵測。同樣的技術，老實講，AI這個技術既然有了，不管是包括大數據，還是包括深度學習，應該都不困難。我是從基隆來的，我們基隆的漁業算是滿重要的一環，有沒有特地去用這種AI跟大數據、跟deep learning深度學習的AI組合型工具或模組去track，就是追蹤或者是預測未來魚群的移動呢？"],["吳主任委員誠文：這一種研究，就是有關漁業、魚群利用AI的研究，我們的確是鼓勵很多的教授……"],["林委員沛祥：我們現在有沒有這個計畫？"],["吳主任委員誠文：應該有，現在應該有這個計畫。"],["林委員沛祥：如果沒有的話，我想請國科會，老實講，基隆是海洋重鎮，對於海洋科技研究上面來講，我們不敢講經費一定要比別人多，但是應該要有一個合理的配置。"],["吳主任委員誠文：有，我們現在自然處有一個……"],["林委員沛祥：如果可以的話，建請主委在這邊多關注一點，尤其是有關魚群這方面，如果美國已經在做，對於他們的漁業的監控是用AI的話，那我覺得我們中華民國也有同樣的能力去做到同樣程度的探索。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是、是、是，沒問題，謝謝委員。"],["林委員沛祥：好，謝謝主委"],["主席：謝謝林沛祥委員質詢，主委及官員請回座，謝謝。"],["主席（林委員沛祥代）：好，再來有請葛如鈞委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":110,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-3","speakers":["葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","柯志恩","林沛祥","陳秀寳","張雅琳","吳沛憶","林宜瑾","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","劉書彬","葉元之","郭昱晴","范雲","陳培瑜","萬美玲","翁曉玲","鍾佳濱","賴士葆","林倩綺"],"page_start":49,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1142901_00002"}}}