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00:01:40,523\n對包委員這個因為不一樣的學者他算的不一樣那我們現在其實環境部也想要啟動這個新一波的調查那我們現在在研議當中所以這個未來呢如果我們有好的數據再跟委員報告你現在的研究是2022年就是1.12倍每10個我們所謂的PM2.5的那個單位那PM2.5目前正佔我們肺癌的那個比例大概是16%左右所以這個還是要告訴國人\n\n5\n00:01:41,684 --> 00:01:48,756\n那我想要知道是說你知道我們現在引起肺癌而且是空污所造成大概是多少人死亡嗎\n\n6\n00:01:51,538 --> 00:02:18,291\n這個數字沒關係那我告訴你在2000年的時候全球市大概是100萬那預估在2050年的時候是350萬那這是我今天查的資料給你做報告雖然我們目前看到是有顯著的進步可是我相信因為我們生活在每天不一樣的大氣環境而且我知道空氣的變化是瞬息萬變所以我覺得每一個環節都必須要注意那我們來盤點一下我們目前的那個\n\n7\n00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:30,647\n我們的境外或者是說國內的污染來源狀況你看我們下一張我們現場這個就是說對我們現在很進步可是3月11號有拉警報你知道警報的原因是什麼嗎\n\n8\n00:02:31,926 --> 00:02:52,873\n那天有一些境外加上吹東風吹東風的影響然後西半部是一個很穩定的下沉氣流然後這個溫度又很低混合層比較低那你有告訴國人這件事情嗎有沒有通知各個縣市政府有有有這個也有應變的體制大概是多少的時間請問我們大氣司司長來\n\n9\n00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:14,524\n我最主要來講的原因就是說希望有即時性報委員其實這個空瓶在前兩天發覺這空瓶不好的時候我們其實檢測預報就已經通知各縣市那各縣市就其實接到通知以後他其實已經轉職所有的包含長照醫療等相關機構還有學校有確切的時間嗎有嗎\n\n10\n00:03:16,104 --> 00:03:25,958\n我們可以再提供給你們我們比較倒楣就在南部你看永遠都是在下風措也就是說它比較不容易揮發的地方那有沒有針對這個部分來做努力\n\n11\n00:03:26,877 --> 00:03:53,077\n因為這個是整個台灣地形造成這個氣候的一個原因所以南部要馬上能夠很立即的改善要降到很快這個氣象的因素這個環境的因素我知道是環境的因素很重要可是我說我們有沒有在做努力有的確有在做努力例如說像未來的這個例如說我們能源結構的改變或是說我們汽機車能夠減少其實各種的負載其實都是有用的可是目前看到我們的檢測站目前全國是只有87站\n\n12\n00:03:54,498 --> 00:04:16,496\n那就針對我說比如說我住三地門比如說我等一下要去內埔就沒有這種鄉鎮市區的一個所謂的一個index那我今天要去旅遊我要去台東旅遊比如說我要去卑南鄉旅遊那我必須知道那邊的P2.5或者說那邊P2.5的來源它的污染源是什麼如果能夠更精確的話是不是可以導引我做一些生活上的改變\n\n13\n00:04:17,977 --> 00:04:40,157\n因為現在還是有一些這種微型的感測器的佔那個比較便宜那個就可以普測我們現在台灣大概還有1萬多個這種所謂的這個IoT的微型的這個空氣感測器那可以做但是那個其實他的變動性不確定性很高準確性所以那我們現在是兩個會去以我們環境部標準的會跟他去做搭配所以未來我們可以嘗試的來試看看我們會來規劃一下\n\n14\n00:04:41,138 --> 00:05:02,877\n那我希望說那個點多設一點不然有些人會覺得說他永遠都在參考屏東市的我永遠都是參考潮州的可是我明明就不是住在那裡可以嗎好委員我們會來研究一下OK那針對我們目前的我們台灣的地形跟一些季節的影響我相信這些都是很複雜的所以我希望我們有我們自己的大氣的一個模式\n\n15\n00:05:03,397 --> 00:05:22,345\n所以是不是應該更跨部會比如說國科會中研院來針對我們自己的空汙氣象學來做研究所以應該是要針對我們的科技專案計畫來針對我們台灣各個地區各個不同一個所謂的地形做全方位的一個模型的研究或是建制可以嗎\n\n16\n00:05:22,785 --> 00:05:47,916\n報告委員因為我們去年那個NASA的飛機有兩趟次飛來台灣其實剛剛委員畫的那個圖就是那個計畫出來的結果那現在的確委員提到的國科會中央院我們正在準備想要進行這種跨部會的大型的甚至跟流行病學例如說我們的這個健康的資料庫相互的搭配那委員再給我們一點點時間規劃好之後再來貴院報告OK如果可以的話可以通知我嗎\n\n17\n00:05:48,516 --> 00:06:09,613\n好可以就是有成果的話那因為我們有一個空瓶的白皮書大概在3月底4月初的時候會出來我們都認為說空瓶是致癌物大家也確信那你知道它不僅是致癌物它也可以縮短因為你已經離癌了還是暴露在這樣的污染物當中你會縮短它的生命\n\n18\n00:06:11,367 --> 00:06:24,809\n對對會你知道那現在我們奇怪我們的小朋友也是生活在這樣的一個環境當中你知道對他的哪方面有些影響嗎對他各種的發育甚至說呼吸器官都會有潛在的影響\n\n19\n00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:50,235\n我們研究了一下我看了2024年所謂的environmentalhealth的一個文獻他說在整體表現如果每一個單位他可以減少0.27那所謂的performanceIQ的話可以減少0.39很多那如果是語言上的一個表現的話會減少0.20這是每一個單位也就是說如果我們現在是10個單位的話你就乘以10\n\n20\n00:06:51,016 --> 00:07:17,634\n所以你就知道這24小時鋪了在那個環境當中小朋友的對他的智力對他的行為或者是語言的發展都有很大的影響所以我們一直在講說我們一直有在努力可是上次有看到有2000個固定污染源其實都一直在重複在發生而且是在距離不到學校500公尺的一個地方一直在重複的在採訪可是這些有在進步嗎\n\n21\n00:07:19,274 --> 00:07:42,957\n這個其實是有的啦但是我必須也坦誠跟委員報告有些其實做得還不夠因為我是覺得有些在學校附近的工廠他也缺乏跟鄰里之間的防護的意識這個我們是希望說未來跟學校家長會還有各方面我們今年會希望說建立幾個案例譬如說屏東的獅子國中他旁邊就有一個釐清廠他的這個下封處就是學校其實這個未來我們希望\n\n22\n00:07:43,557 --> 00:07:58,016\n我想說社會福部經濟部跟教育部跟地方政府都應該我們審慎考慮我們學校桌尾或者是說我們養護機構啊或是醫院啊或者是這些我們需要特別照顧的這些亞健康的族群的所在地好不好好可以\n\n23\n00:07:58,857 --> 00:08:13,619\n我看到了新竹市政府有一個不錯的就是空氣品質維護區也就是針對麻街兒童院附近的這個籌劃那就是說我們能不能有一個就是相對應的就是說你們去學習好的然後把這個匯集到全國這樣子\n\n24\n00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:32,769\n好委員提的這個建議就是我們想做的因為我們全國現在有八十幾個空氣品質維護區未來如果可以把它擴大的話現在有八十五個啦那未來如果擴大像委員提到那些地方的話我覺得這個是對我們保護弱勢族群是有很大的幫助的OK好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝委員謝謝部長請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11004\t25858\t我們今天就談PM2.5的事情那我想先知道說這近年來的進步你覺得最主要的原因是什麼\n26881\t49831\t報告委員其實很多人的努力啦例如說之前的這個大型的這個柴油車然後把空屏移動員管制那當然啦這個電力業其實他的減煤也是一種新的一個做法然後其實另外一個呢就是說如果未來我們要推動淨零其實整個整個生活型態的轉變那個其實也可以造成PM2.5的下降目前我們的PM2.5是多少大概\n50351\t74185\t全國大概12.8有那麼好嗎有有有但是南部比較高一點點那目前OECD的標準是在10希望我們還是朝10的方向來努力好不好好可以那我先問你一下每10個也就是我所謂的PM2.5的濃度他的癌症的那個相對風險是多少大概是多少\n74665\t100523\t對 包委員這個因為不一樣的學者他算的不一樣那我們現在其實環境部也想要啟動這個新一波的調查那我們現在在研議當中所以這個未來呢如果我們有好的數據再跟委員報告你現在的研究是2022年就是1.12倍每10個我們所謂的PM2.5的那個單位那PM2.5目前正佔我們肺癌的那個比例大概是16%左右所以這個還是要告訴國人\n101684\t108756\t那我想要知道是說你知道我們現在引起肺癌而且是空污所造成大概是多少人死亡嗎\n111538\t138291\t這個數字沒關係那我告訴你在2000年的時候全球市大概是100萬那預估在2050年的時候是350萬那這是我今天查的資料給你做報告雖然我們目前看到是有顯著的進步可是我相信因為我們生活在每天不一樣的大氣環境而且我知道空氣的變化是瞬息萬變所以我覺得每一個環節都必須要注意那我們來盤點一下我們目前的那個\n139472\t150647\t我們的境外或者是說國內的污染來源狀況你看我們下一張我們現場這個就是說對我們現在很進步可是3月11號有拉警報你知道警報的原因是什麼嗎\n151926\t172873\t那天有一些境外加上吹東風吹東風的影響然後西半部是一個很穩定的下沉氣流然後這個溫度又很低混合層比較低那你有告訴國人這件事情嗎有沒有通知各個縣市政府有有有這個也有應變的體制大概是多少的時間請問我們大氣司司長來\n174639\t194524\t我最主要來講的原因就是說希望有即時性報委員其實這個空瓶在前兩天發覺這空瓶不好的時候我們其實檢測預報就已經通知各縣市那各縣市就其實接到通知以後他其實已經轉職所有的包含長照醫療等相關機構還有學校有確切的時間嗎有嗎\n196104\t205958\t我們可以再提供給你們我們比較倒楣就在南部你看永遠都是在下風措也就是說它比較不容易揮發的地方那有沒有針對這個部分來做努力\n206877\t233077\t因為這個是整個台灣地形造成這個氣候的一個原因所以南部要馬上能夠很立即的改善要降到很快這個氣象的因素這個環境的因素我知道是環境的因素很重要可是我說我們有沒有在做努力有的確有在做努力例如說像未來的這個例如說我們能源結構的改變或是說我們汽機車能夠減少其實各種的負載其實都是有用的可是目前看到我們的檢測站目前全國是只有87站\n234498\t256496\t那就針對我說 比如說我住三地門 比如說我等一下要去內埔就沒有這種鄉鎮市區的一個所謂的一個index那我今天要去旅遊 我要去台東旅遊 比如說我要去卑南鄉旅遊那我必須知道那邊的P2.5 或者說那邊P2.5的來源 它的污染源是什麼如果能夠更精確的話 是不是可以導引我做一些生活上的改變\n257977\t280157\t因為現在還是有一些這種微型的感測器的佔那個比較便宜那個就可以普測我們現在台灣大概還有1萬多個這種所謂的這個IoT的微型的這個空氣感測器那可以做但是那個其實他的變動性不確定性很高準確性所以那我們現在是兩個會去以我們環境部標準的會跟他去做搭配所以未來我們可以嘗試的來試看看我們會來規劃一下\n281138\t302877\t那我希望說那個點多設一點不然有些人會覺得說他永遠都在參考屏東市的我永遠都是參考潮州的可是我明明就不是住在那裡可以嗎好 委員我們會來研究一下OK 那針對我們目前的我們台灣的地形跟一些季節的影響我相信這些都是很複雜的所以我希望我們有我們自己的大氣的一個模式\n303397\t322345\t所以是不是應該更跨部會比如說國科會中研院來針對我們自己的空汙氣象學來做研究所以應該是要針對我們的科技專案計畫來針對我們台灣各個地區各個不同一個所謂的地形做全方位的一個模型的研究或是建制可以嗎\n322785\t347916\t報告委員因為我們去年那個NASA的飛機有兩趟次飛來台灣其實剛剛委員畫的那個圖就是那個計畫出來的結果那現在的確委員提到的國科會中央院我們正在準備想要進行這種跨部會的大型的甚至跟流行病學例如說我們的這個健康的資料庫相互的搭配那委員再給我們一點點時間規劃好之後再來貴院報告OK如果可以的話可以通知我嗎\n348516\t369613\t好 可以就是有成果的話那因為我們有一個空瓶的白皮書大概在3月底4月初的時候會出來我們都認為說空瓶是致癌物大家也確信那你知道它不僅是致癌物它也可以縮短因為你已經離癌了還是暴露在這樣的污染物當中你會縮短它的生命\n371367\t384809\t對對會你知道那現在我們奇怪我們的小朋友也是生活在這樣的一個環境當中你知道對他的哪方面有些影響嗎對他各種的發育甚至說呼吸器官都會有潛在的影響\n385472\t410235\t我們研究了一下我看了2024年所謂的environmental health的一個文獻他說在整體表現如果每一個單位他可以減少0.27那所謂的performance IQ的話可以減少0.39很多那如果是語言上的一個表現的話會減少0.20這是每一個單位也就是說如果我們現在是10個單位的話你就乘以10\n411016\t437634\t所以你就知道這24小時鋪了在那個環境當中小朋友的對他的智力對他的行為或者是語言的發展都有很大的影響所以我們一直在講說我們一直有在努力可是上次有看到有2000個固定污染源其實都一直在重複在發生而且是在距離不到學校500公尺的一個地方一直在重複的在採訪可是這些有在進步嗎\n439274\t462957\t這個其實是有的啦但是我必須也坦誠跟委員報告有些其實做得還不夠因為我是覺得有些在學校附近的工廠他也缺乏跟鄰里之間的防護的意識這個我們是希望說未來跟學校家長會還有各方面我們今年會希望說建立幾個案例譬如說屏東的獅子國中他旁邊就有一個釐清廠他的這個下封處就是學校其實這個未來我們希望\n463557\t478016\t我想說社會福部經濟部跟教育部跟地方政府都應該我們審慎考慮我們學校桌尾或者是說我們養護機構啊或是醫院啊或者是這些我們需要特別照顧的這些亞健康的族群的所在地好不好好 可以\n478857\t493619\t我看到了新竹市政府有一個不錯的就是空氣品質維護區也就是針對麻街兒童院附近的這個籌劃那就是說我們能不能有一個就是相對應的就是說你們去學習好的然後把這個匯集到全國這樣子\n494500\t512769\t好 委員提的這個建議就是我們想做的因為我們全國現在有八十幾個空氣品質維護區未來如果可以把它擴大的話 現在有八十五個啦那未來如果擴大 像委員提到那些地方的話我覺得這個是對我們保護弱勢族群是有很大的幫助的OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝委員 謝謝部長 請回\n","txt":"我們今天就談PM2.5的事情那我想先知道說這近年來的進步你覺得最主要的原因是什麼\n報告委員其實很多人的努力啦例如說之前的這個大型的這個柴油車然後把空屏移動員管制那當然啦這個電力業其實他的減煤也是一種新的一個做法然後其實另外一個呢就是說如果未來我們要推動淨零其實整個整個生活型態的轉變那個其實也可以造成PM2.5的下降目前我們的PM2.5是多少大概\n全國大概12.8有那麼好嗎有有有但是南部比較高一點點那目前OECD的標準是在10希望我們還是朝10的方向來努力好不好好可以那我先問你一下每10個也就是我所謂的PM2.5的濃度他的癌症的那個相對風險是多少大概是多少\n對 包委員這個因為不一樣的學者他算的不一樣那我們現在其實環境部也想要啟動這個新一波的調查那我們現在在研議當中所以這個未來呢如果我們有好的數據再跟委員報告你現在的研究是2022年就是1.12倍每10個我們所謂的PM2.5的那個單位那PM2.5目前正佔我們肺癌的那個比例大概是16%左右所以這個還是要告訴國人\n那我想要知道是說你知道我們現在引起肺癌而且是空污所造成大概是多少人死亡嗎\n這個數字沒關係那我告訴你在2000年的時候全球市大概是100萬那預估在2050年的時候是350萬那這是我今天查的資料給你做報告雖然我們目前看到是有顯著的進步可是我相信因為我們生活在每天不一樣的大氣環境而且我知道空氣的變化是瞬息萬變所以我覺得每一個環節都必須要注意那我們來盤點一下我們目前的那個\n我們的境外或者是說國內的污染來源狀況你看我們下一張我們現場這個就是說對我們現在很進步可是3月11號有拉警報你知道警報的原因是什麼嗎\n那天有一些境外加上吹東風吹東風的影響然後西半部是一個很穩定的下沉氣流然後這個溫度又很低混合層比較低那你有告訴國人這件事情嗎有沒有通知各個縣市政府有有有這個也有應變的體制大概是多少的時間請問我們大氣司司長來\n我最主要來講的原因就是說希望有即時性報委員其實這個空瓶在前兩天發覺這空瓶不好的時候我們其實檢測預報就已經通知各縣市那各縣市就其實接到通知以後他其實已經轉職所有的包含長照醫療等相關機構還有學校有確切的時間嗎有嗎\n我們可以再提供給你們我們比較倒楣就在南部你看永遠都是在下風措也就是說它比較不容易揮發的地方那有沒有針對這個部分來做努力\n因為這個是整個台灣地形造成這個氣候的一個原因所以南部要馬上能夠很立即的改善要降到很快這個氣象的因素這個環境的因素我知道是環境的因素很重要可是我說我們有沒有在做努力有的確有在做努力例如說像未來的這個例如說我們能源結構的改變或是說我們汽機車能夠減少其實各種的負載其實都是有用的可是目前看到我們的檢測站目前全國是只有87站\n那就針對我說 比如說我住三地門 比如說我等一下要去內埔就沒有這種鄉鎮市區的一個所謂的一個index那我今天要去旅遊 我要去台東旅遊 比如說我要去卑南鄉旅遊那我必須知道那邊的P2.5 或者說那邊P2.5的來源 它的污染源是什麼如果能夠更精確的話 是不是可以導引我做一些生活上的改變\n因為現在還是有一些這種微型的感測器的佔那個比較便宜那個就可以普測我們現在台灣大概還有1萬多個這種所謂的這個IoT的微型的這個空氣感測器那可以做但是那個其實他的變動性不確定性很高準確性所以那我們現在是兩個會去以我們環境部標準的會跟他去做搭配所以未來我們可以嘗試的來試看看我們會來規劃一下\n那我希望說那個點多設一點不然有些人會覺得說他永遠都在參考屏東市的我永遠都是參考潮州的可是我明明就不是住在那裡可以嗎好 委員我們會來研究一下OK 那針對我們目前的我們台灣的地形跟一些季節的影響我相信這些都是很複雜的所以我希望我們有我們自己的大氣的一個模式\n所以是不是應該更跨部會比如說國科會中研院來針對我們自己的空汙氣象學來做研究所以應該是要針對我們的科技專案計畫來針對我們台灣各個地區各個不同一個所謂的地形做全方位的一個模型的研究或是建制可以嗎\n報告委員因為我們去年那個NASA的飛機有兩趟次飛來台灣其實剛剛委員畫的那個圖就是那個計畫出來的結果那現在的確委員提到的國科會中央院我們正在準備想要進行這種跨部會的大型的甚至跟流行病學例如說我們的這個健康的資料庫相互的搭配那委員再給我們一點點時間規劃好之後再來貴院報告OK如果可以的話可以通知我嗎\n好 可以就是有成果的話那因為我們有一個空瓶的白皮書大概在3月底4月初的時候會出來我們都認為說空瓶是致癌物大家也確信那你知道它不僅是致癌物它也可以縮短因為你已經離癌了還是暴露在這樣的污染物當中你會縮短它的生命\n對對會你知道那現在我們奇怪我們的小朋友也是生活在這樣的一個環境當中你知道對他的哪方面有些影響嗎對他各種的發育甚至說呼吸器官都會有潛在的影響\n我們研究了一下我看了2024年所謂的environmental health的一個文獻他說在整體表現如果每一個單位他可以減少0.27那所謂的performance IQ的話可以減少0.39很多那如果是語言上的一個表現的話會減少0.20這是每一個單位也就是說如果我們現在是10個單位的話你就乘以10\n所以你就知道這24小時鋪了在那個環境當中小朋友的對他的智力對他的行為或者是語言的發展都有很大的影響所以我們一直在講說我們一直有在努力可是上次有看到有2000個固定污染源其實都一直在重複在發生而且是在距離不到學校500公尺的一個地方一直在重複的在採訪可是這些有在進步嗎\n這個其實是有的啦但是我必須也坦誠跟委員報告有些其實做得還不夠因為我是覺得有些在學校附近的工廠他也缺乏跟鄰里之間的防護的意識這個我們是希望說未來跟學校家長會還有各方面我們今年會希望說建立幾個案例譬如說屏東的獅子國中他旁邊就有一個釐清廠他的這個下封處就是學校其實這個未來我們希望\n我想說社會福部經濟部跟教育部跟地方政府都應該我們審慎考慮我們學校桌尾或者是說我們養護機構啊或是醫院啊或者是這些我們需要特別照顧的這些亞健康的族群的所在地好不好好 可以\n我看到了新竹市政府有一個不錯的就是空氣品質維護區也就是針對麻街兒童院附近的這個籌劃那就是說我們能不能有一個就是相對應的就是說你們去學習好的然後把這個匯集到全國這樣子\n好 委員提的這個建議就是我們想做的因為我們全國現在有八十幾個空氣品質維護區未來如果可以把它擴大的話 現在有八十五個啦那未來如果擴大 像委員提到那些地方的話我覺得這個是對我們保護弱勢族群是有很大的幫助的OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝委員 謝謝部長 請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.004 --> 00:25.858\n我們今天就談PM2.5的事情那我想先知道說這近年來的進步你覺得最主要的原因是什麼\n\n00:26.881 --> 00:49.831\n報告委員其實很多人的努力啦例如說之前的這個大型的這個柴油車然後把空屏移動員管制那當然啦這個電力業其實他的減煤也是一種新的一個做法然後其實另外一個呢就是說如果未來我們要推動淨零其實整個整個生活型態的轉變那個其實也可以造成PM2.5的下降目前我們的PM2.5是多少大概\n\n00:50.351 --> 01:14.185\n全國大概12.8有那麼好嗎有有有但是南部比較高一點點那目前OECD的標準是在10希望我們還是朝10的方向來努力好不好好可以那我先問你一下每10個也就是我所謂的PM2.5的濃度他的癌症的那個相對風險是多少大概是多少\n\n01:14.665 --> 01:40.523\n對包委員這個因為不一樣的學者他算的不一樣那我們現在其實環境部也想要啟動這個新一波的調查那我們現在在研議當中所以這個未來呢如果我們有好的數據再跟委員報告你現在的研究是2022年就是1.12倍每10個我們所謂的PM2.5的那個單位那PM2.5目前正佔我們肺癌的那個比例大概是16%左右所以這個還是要告訴國人\n\n01:41.684 --> 01:48.756\n那我想要知道是說你知道我們現在引起肺癌而且是空污所造成大概是多少人死亡嗎\n\n01:51.538 --> 02:18.291\n這個數字沒關係那我告訴你在2000年的時候全球市大概是100萬那預估在2050年的時候是350萬那這是我今天查的資料給你做報告雖然我們目前看到是有顯著的進步可是我相信因為我們生活在每天不一樣的大氣環境而且我知道空氣的變化是瞬息萬變所以我覺得每一個環節都必須要注意那我們來盤點一下我們目前的那個\n\n02:19.472 --> 02:30.647\n我們的境外或者是說國內的污染來源狀況你看我們下一張我們現場這個就是說對我們現在很進步可是3月11號有拉警報你知道警報的原因是什麼嗎\n\n02:31.926 --> 02:52.873\n那天有一些境外加上吹東風吹東風的影響然後西半部是一個很穩定的下沉氣流然後這個溫度又很低混合層比較低那你有告訴國人這件事情嗎有沒有通知各個縣市政府有有有這個也有應變的體制大概是多少的時間請問我們大氣司司長來\n\n02:54.639 --> 03:14.524\n我最主要來講的原因就是說希望有即時性報委員其實這個空瓶在前兩天發覺這空瓶不好的時候我們其實檢測預報就已經通知各縣市那各縣市就其實接到通知以後他其實已經轉職所有的包含長照醫療等相關機構還有學校有確切的時間嗎有嗎\n\n03:16.104 --> 03:25.958\n我們可以再提供給你們我們比較倒楣就在南部你看永遠都是在下風措也就是說它比較不容易揮發的地方那有沒有針對這個部分來做努力\n\n03:26.877 --> 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