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00:00:35,084\n首先還是要跟主委您討論您在出席大專院校校長會議的時候說到我們台灣沒有自己的諾貝爾獎得主覺得是丟臉的日韓都有他們本土培育的諾貝爾獎得主台灣一個都沒有一定有問題那出了什麼問題呢大學自己要檢討\n\n3\n00:00:37,166 --> 00:00:55,644\n國會近期也表示說會鼓勵本土研究落地相信會更有機會拿諾貝爾獎主任您覺得喔認為您覺得說國會未來會用什麼方法來協助我國學者或者說您覺得以後我們學術的指標就是要以永多諾貝爾獎為主\n\n4\n00:00:58,020 --> 00:01:13,889\n謝謝陳委員我其實是覺得我們國科會每年編列這些科技算是非常寶貴的我們要好好的運用我希望能夠更有效率的來協助我們學界但是我們的學術界自己也要努力的來檢討我們自己的這個在\n\n5\n00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:31,720\n高等教育上面的一些制度這些制度其實不是只有政府的法令規章而是很多制度我們現在是學術自由很多制度是學校自己要訂的我是在鼓勵我們各大學特別是研究型的大學\n\n6\n00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:55,790\n能夠好好檢討我們自己是不是把很多的這個指標項目做了錯誤的這個解讀能夠來鼓勵我們的學界寶貴的人力做非常前瞻對人類社會有重大貢獻這種研究那創造人類的福祉如果能夠這樣做的話將來我們在全世界被認可的這個機會就大為提升得到各種\n\n7\n00:01:58,991 --> 00:02:07,147\n我想請教主委您覺得在諾貝爾獎的得獎類別之中我們哪一個領域會有比較高的得獎率\n\n8\n00:02:07,915 --> 00:02:36,848\n我們在各種科學領域其實我們都有非常好的人力很好的這個素質但是在研究上面不要太短視精力也就是說只是為了要短期內得到很多論文的發表算這個paper的數量而是能夠長期做更重大的貢獻特別是在創新上面不要去追隨別人別人的研究只是想要因為那個領域很容易發表論文就追隨別人\n\n9\n00:02:37,768 --> 00:02:47,953\n一直在同一個領域在那邊累積論文世界而是能夠創新創新這個才是最重要我相信說您是好意的啦那其實本席這邊要強調就是說諾貝爾獎的確是說在學術界在國際間是最重要也是最高的榮譽那台灣雖然目前沒有諾貝爾獎的得主\n\n10\n00:02:56,237 --> 00:03:17,395\n但是其實我國在國際間半導體是有很舉足輕重的地位那在民主國家中也是很優秀的很堅韌的民主自由在培養學者跟期待中我們可以調整腳步我們也可以轉變方向但其實我們還是要自我肯定我們國家我們國內這個優秀的科研技術溫暖的人文實力以及建立這個民主制度\n\n11\n00:03:18,135 --> 00:03:35,541\n我非常同意陳委員講的所以並不只是得到諾貝爾獎才能夠得到肯定是我們的人力非常優秀台灣人是很聰明然後很勤奮的可是我們好好地鼓勵我們這些人員做創新的東西我們在全世界會被肯定的會更有機會\n\n12\n00:03:36,141 --> 00:04:01,397\n好謝謝主委接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題台積電到美國投資一千億美元那相當多的這些供應商也紛紛表示說會隨著台積電的東進那所以說台積電他到美國投資加上這些供應商他帶去的效益是一定超過一千億的那本席這邊要討論的是說如果台積電過去了供應商也過去了那台灣的戲盾會不會被削弱\n\n13\n00:04:02,538 --> 00:04:21,120\n報告委員我們的台積電它在台灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資而且這個還在進行當中所以我們國科會在各個園區來協助台積電的發展這個腳步從來沒有停下來現在也沒有現在它的需求還在增加當中\n\n14\n00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:25,023\n主委我這邊想請教當從業者跟廠商都指出都明確的感覺到說台灣矽頓可能會被削弱的時候我們國客會這邊的想法跟做法是什麼我們有什麼方法可以作為說我們確保台灣的矽頓或是說當我們台灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候那我們剩下的優勢是什麼\n\n15\n00:04:43,732 --> 00:05:02,576\n其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導他的憂慮其實我也知道說國科會這邊你們不僅是台灣基礎科研的推動者也應該是我們台灣科技這個關鍵的這些科技跟技術的領頭羊那如果我們台灣的西頓不在台灣的下一個護國神山是什麼是我們現在對在國際間也很\n\n16\n00:05:06,417 --> 00:05:19,337\n受重視的這些太空科技的產業或者說是我們還有其他的優勢那我希望說我們國科會這邊可以帶領因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮那我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮\n\n17\n00:05:21,366 --> 00:05:49,232\n謝謝委員我們的確在各個前瞻科技的這個領域我們都有投入所以不是只有半導體但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要所以我們在半導體就有這個金創台灣計畫這個金創台灣計畫我們第一個重點就是要協助我們的這個半導體前瞻製程製造這個產業能夠持續保持優勢所以在學界投入我們在產業也投入所以這是一個第一個重點\n\n18\n00:05:49,992 --> 00:06:11,621\n那在剛剛我們早幾年也提到這個這個早也提到這個AI的產業這個AI的產業的這個發展我們會從過去我們在製造為主的就是這個雲端伺服器以及當然半導體也是製造為主的這個產業我們會逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業\n\n19\n00:06:12,361 --> 00:06:18,505\n希望在各個行業您的意思是說我們不用焦慮說因為台積電到美國去投資了其實我們的優勢還是在的反而是因為我們台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家我們更有實力在台灣能夠實現我們從這個半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域然後我們的優勢更為強大\n\n20\n00:06:38,318 --> 00:06:59,645\n謝謝主委您的說明接下來我想請教主委關於我們布拉格前進基地的狀況在去年你們有說會做調整那我想請教說你們現在目前調整如何我們要期待說這個設置目前這個設置可以提供未來我們在科研上有什麼其他的效益還有要請教說我們會不會在其他的國家再設置類似的這些基地或地點\n\n21\n00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:22,922\n我們原來在布拉格設立的那個基地是要台灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生但是我們其實人力不足我們在台灣連自己的老師都不夠那其實根本沒有能力去做這個事情那其實捷克人也不會覺得台灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好老實講是不會啦\n\n22\n00:07:23,602 --> 00:07:37,591\n所以我改變政策就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域所以我們這個基地目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的設置它變成一個怎樣的性質是一個合作共同合作研究的一個基地\n\n23\n00:07:46,628 --> 00:08:09,174\n其實我這邊也理解就是說我們因為相關政策的規劃那我們在施行的時候也要符合就是不管是國際趨勢或整個的局勢的變化但是我們要將台灣的科技實力跟優勢如何進一步的協助到我們其他的盟友或是其他的國家優秀人才來吸引到台灣我也希望說你們有一些更有亮點的\n\n24\n00:08:09,594 --> 00:08:13,738\n規劃能夠更有一些實質的效益這個部分你們後續對這個轉型的這個基地的一些相關的規劃是不是也可以一份報告給我辦公室好沒問題謝謝陳委員好接下來我想請教諸位台鐵在今年1月的時候宣布跟災防中心我們要結合這個科技跟鐵路資源並且因應氣候的這個變遷來提升\n\n25\n00:08:33,037 --> 00:08:45,606\n鐵路在極端氣候下的這個防災的韌性那我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣我們這個研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用那災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會的這些災防計畫的這個科研的相關的規劃謝謝陳委員這個計畫就是去年因為因為這個台鐵在發聯\n\n26\n00:08:53,791 --> 00:09:12,916\n山區因為土石流出了這個事故那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助台鐵因為整個全台灣所有的鐵公路這種巡檢現在都沒有人力沒有人力可以去做巡檢那現在你們進度怎麼樣那我們的進度我請陳主任來報告一下\n\n27\n00:09:14,225 --> 00:09:30,284\n委員好,我們大概跟台鐵簽下了合同以後,MOU完了以後我們是定期每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們一些參考我們跟各部會大概目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們有簽MOU了你們提供給台鐵的訊息大概有哪些?\n\n28\n00:09:35,149 --> 00:10:03,190\n包括天氣的變化還有下雨的即時資訊下雨就是每個小時它的衝擊大致上在周遭的環境裡頭所有的訊息都會提供給它我們其實今年會啟動一個就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化將來自動去做分析因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了已經連看都沒有人力看了\n\n29\n00:10:03,850 --> 00:10:28,043\n更不用談這個巡檢本席在你們災防中心建設的這個3D災害詮釋地圖裡面有發現其實上面有一些資料災害的資料包括像土石流斷層淹水等等但是其中的這個淹水的這個詮釋模擬全台只有四個縣市有淹水模擬資料其中有三個縣市的資料是水利署提供台北市的資料是由市政府提供災防中心在建設淹水模擬圖\n\n30\n00:10:29,424 --> 00:10:57,615\n的時候有收集資料上的困難嗎為什麼我們其他縣市沒有辦法建置那如果是沒有困難的我希望說災防中心這邊可以盡速的將這個全台淹水模擬圖建置完成請問你們什麼時候可以完成報告委員其實我們都有建置因為主責單位有水役署啊他來建置這些淹水模擬那我們把這些圖層把它視覺化然後提供給各地你們都有建置但是現在資料上顯示只有四個縣市啊沒有顯示出來啊\n\n31\n00:10:59,342 --> 00:11:18,988\n我們會把它補齊沒有問題會補齊什麼時候補齊報告委員這個也需要地方政府配合他們如果願意的話其實我們資料都有我們都可以做這個分析然後做這個預警那如果地方政府你們資料都有但這不是你們建制的網站嗎你們要把資料放上去就可以了\n\n32\n00:11:22,095 --> 00:11:26,019\n主席請再給我一點時間我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲其實我們受極端氣候的影響今年颱風來襲的時候災害發生也跟過往有些不同以前都是短時間強降雨造成的這些淹水的災情\n\n33\n00:11:41,254 --> 00:11:46,820\n但是在本席的選區沿海彰化沿海福星深港地區頻頻出現了所謂的沿海的災情那在台灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17起的超級的陣風這也是民眾很難以事先去預料的災害的情形\n\n34\n00:11:57,671 --> 00:12:20,202\n所以本席這邊會希望說災防中心也要跟氣象署跟農業部這邊要密切的合作將近年颱風所帶來的相關的災害情形數據呢能夠結合這個前世地圖那民眾可以清楚的知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防台的準備這個部分你們可以去研議嗎好我覺得這部分我們可以把它加進來需要多久的時間\n\n35\n00:12:21,633 --> 00:12:26,336\n其實我這邊我要特別提一下沿海造成的障礙其實它不同於下雨你可以去預估甚至可以實際測量那我提一下2023年10月小犬颱風沿海的地區有風大沒有下雨就是風很大然後這個鹽粒子都附著在這個配電線路上的礙子造成了雲加還有我們彰化超過13萬戶的停電我的選區甚至停電超過三天以上\n\n36\n00:12:49,668 --> 00:13:02,775\n那這個在之前其實有一些民間的氣象研究者他們有提出警示但是沒有受到你們的重視所以我會希望說既然他們提出的這個警示也造成真的有這樣的災損這是很有參考價值的我希望說你們來研議跟相關的部會像氣象署我們農業部合作之外也希望可以納入對地方氣象比較熟知這個變化的這些民間的學者來配合\n\n37\n00:13:17,523 --> 00:13:31,933\n把他們意見納入讓我們的民眾可以清晰的比較明確的知道說當這個颱風來襲可能造成了災損的範圍或者情況是怎麼樣讓他們可以預先來做這個預防好這部分我們會納入謝謝委員好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t13944\t我請陳秀巴委員質詢謝主席 請國科委吳主委請主委備質詢 謝謝陳委員好\n17847\t35084\t首先還是要跟主委您討論您在出席大專院校校長會議的時候說到我們台灣沒有自己的諾貝爾獎得主覺得是丟臉的日韓都有他們本土培育的諾貝爾獎得主台灣一個都沒有一定有問題那出了什麼問題呢大學自己要檢討\n37166\t55644\t國會近期也表示說會鼓勵本土研究落地相信會更有機會拿諾貝爾獎主任您覺得喔認為您覺得說國會未來會用什麼方法來協助我國學者或者說您覺得以後我們學術的指標就是要以永多諾貝爾獎為主\n58020\t73889\t謝謝陳委員我其實是覺得我們國科會每年編列這些科技算是非常寶貴的我們要好好的運用我希望能夠更有效率的來協助我們學界但是我們的學術界自己也要努力的來檢討我們自己的這個在\n75990\t91720\t高等教育上面的一些制度這些制度其實不是只有政府的法令規章而是很多制度我們現在是學術自由很多制度是學校自己要訂的我是在鼓勵我們各大學特別是研究型的大學\n92720\t115790\t能夠好好檢討我們自己是不是把很多的這個指標項目做了錯誤的這個解讀能夠來鼓勵我們的學界寶貴的人力做非常前瞻對人類社會有重大貢獻這種研究那創造人類的福祉如果能夠這樣做的話將來我們在全世界被認可的這個機會就大為提升得到各種\n118991\t127147\t我想請教主委您覺得在諾貝爾獎的得獎類別之中我們哪一個領域會有比較高的得獎率\n127915\t156848\t我們在各種科學領域其實我們都有非常好的人力很好的這個素質但是在研究上面不要太短視精力也就是說只是為了要短期內得到很多論文的發表算這個paper的數量而是能夠長期做更重大的貢獻特別是在創新上面不要去追隨別人別人的研究只是想要因為那個領域很容易發表論文就追隨別人\n157768\t167953\t一直在同一個領域在那邊累積論文世界而是能夠創新創新這個才是最重要我相信說您是好意的啦那其實本席這邊要強調就是說諾貝爾獎的確是說在學術界在國際間是最重要也是最高的榮譽那台灣雖然目前沒有諾貝爾獎的得主\n176237\t197395\t但是其實我國在國際間半導體是有很舉足輕重的地位那在民主國家中也是很優秀的很堅韌的民主自由在培養學者跟期待中我們可以調整腳步我們也可以轉變方向但其實我們還是要自我肯定我們國家我們國內這個優秀的科研技術溫暖的人文實力以及建立這個民主制度\n198135\t215541\t我非常同意陳委員講的所以並不只是得到諾貝爾獎才能夠得到肯定是 我們的人力非常優秀台灣人是很聰明然後很勤奮的可是我們好好地鼓勵我們這些人員做創新的東西我們在全世界會被肯定的會更有機會\n216141\t241397\t好 謝謝主委 接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題台積電到美國投資一千億美元那相當多的這些供應商也紛紛表示說會隨著台積電的東進那所以說台積電他到美國投資加上這些供應商他帶去的效益是一定超過一千億的那本席這邊要討論的是說如果台積電過去了供應商也過去了那台灣的戲盾會不會被削弱\n242538\t261120\t報告委員我們的台積電它在台灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資而且這個還在進行當中所以我們國科會在各個園區來協助台積電的發展這個腳步從來沒有停下來現在也沒有現在它的需求還在增加當中\n261761\t265023\t主委我這邊想請教當從業者跟廠商都指出都明確的感覺到說台灣矽頓可能會被削弱的時候我們國客會這邊的想法跟做法是什麼我們有什麼方法可以作為說我們確保台灣的矽頓或是說當我們台灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候那我們剩下的優勢是什麼\n283732\t302576\t其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導他的憂慮其實我也知道說國科會這邊你們不僅是台灣基礎科研的推動者也應該是我們台灣科技這個關鍵的這些科技跟技術的領頭羊那如果我們台灣的西頓不在台灣的下一個護國神山是什麼是我們現在對在國際間也很\n306417\t319337\t受重視的這些太空科技的產業或者說是我們還有其他的優勢那我希望說我們國科會這邊可以帶領因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮那我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮\n321366\t349232\t謝謝委員我們的確在各個前瞻科技的這個領域我們都有投入所以不是只有半導體但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要所以我們在半導體就有這個金創台灣計畫這個金創台灣計畫我們第一個重點就是要協助我們的這個半導體前瞻製程製造這個產業能夠持續保持優勢所以在學界投入我們在產業也投入所以這是一個第一個重點\n349992\t371621\t那在剛剛我們早幾年也提到這個這個早也提到這個AI的產業這個AI的產業的這個發展我們會從過去我們在製造為主的就是這個雲端伺服器以及當然半導體也是製造為主的這個產業我們會逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業\n372361\t378505\t希望在各個行業您的意思是說我們不用焦慮說因為台積電到美國去投資了其實我們的優勢還是在的反而是因為我們台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家我們更有實力在台灣能夠實現我們從這個半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域然後我們的優勢更為強大\n398318\t419645\t謝謝主委您的說明接下來我想請教主委關於我們布拉格前進基地的狀況在去年你們有說會做調整那我想請教說你們現在目前調整如何我們要期待說這個設置目前這個設置可以提供未來我們在科研上有什麼其他的效益還有要請教說我們會不會在其他的國家再設置類似的這些基地或地點\n421004\t442922\t我們原來在布拉格設立的那個基地是要台灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生但是我們其實人力不足我們在台灣連自己的老師都不夠那其實根本沒有能力去做這個事情那其實捷克人也不會覺得台灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好老實講是不會啦\n443602\t457591\t所以我改變政策就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域所以我們這個基地目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的設置它變成一個怎樣的性質是一個合作共同合作研究的一個基地\n466628\t489174\t其實我這邊也理解就是說我們因為相關政策的規劃那我們在施行的時候也要符合就是不管是國際趨勢或整個的局勢的變化但是我們要將台灣的科技實力跟優勢如何進一步的協助到我們其他的盟友或是其他的國家優秀人才來吸引到台灣我也希望說你們有一些更有亮點的\n489594\t493738\t規劃能夠更有一些實質的效益這個部分你們後續對這個轉型的這個基地的一些相關的規劃是不是也可以一份報告給我辦公室好沒問題謝謝陳委員好接下來我想請教諸位台鐵在今年1月的時候宣布跟災防中心我們要結合這個科技跟鐵路資源並且因應氣候的這個變遷來提升\n513037\t525606\t鐵路在極端氣候下的這個防災的韌性那我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣我們這個研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用那災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會的這些災防計畫的這個科研的相關的規劃謝謝陳委員這個計畫就是去年因為因為這個台鐵在發聯\n533791\t552916\t山區因為土石流出了這個事故那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助台鐵因為整個全台灣所有的鐵公路這種巡檢現在都沒有人力沒有人力可以去做巡檢那現在你們進度怎麼樣那我們的進度我請陳主任來報告一下\n554225\t570284\t委員好,我們大概跟台鐵簽下了合同以後,MOU完了以後我們是定期每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們一些參考我們跟各部會大概目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們有簽MOU了你們提供給台鐵的訊息大概有哪些?\n575149\t603190\t包括天氣的變化還有下雨的即時資訊下雨就是每個小時它的衝擊大致上在周遭的環境裡頭所有的訊息都會提供給它我們其實今年會啟動一個就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化將來自動去做分析因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了已經連看都沒有人力看了\n603850\t628043\t更不用談這個巡檢本席在你們災防中心建設的這個3D災害詮釋地圖裡面有發現其實上面有一些資料災害的資料包括像土石流斷層淹水等等但是其中的這個淹水的這個詮釋模擬全台只有四個縣市有淹水模擬資料其中有三個縣市的資料是水利署提供台北市的資料是由市政府提供災防中心在建設淹水模擬圖\n629424\t657615\t的時候有收集資料上的困難嗎為什麼我們其他縣市沒有辦法建置那如果是沒有困難的我希望說災防中心這邊可以盡速的將這個全台淹水模擬圖建置完成請問你們什麼時候可以完成報告委員其實我們都有建置因為主責單位有水役署啊他來建置這些淹水模擬那我們把這些圖層把它視覺化然後提供給各地你們都有建置但是現在資料上顯示只有四個縣市啊沒有顯示出來啊\n659342\t678988\t我們會把它補齊 沒有問題會補齊 什麼時候補齊報告委員 這個也需要地方政府配合他們如果願意的話 其實我們資料都有我們都可以做這個分析 然後做這個預警那如果地方政府你們資料都有 但這不是你們建制的網站嗎你們要把資料放上去就可以了\n682095\t686019\t主席請再給我一點時間我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲其實我們受極端氣候的影響今年颱風來襲的時候災害發生也跟過往有些不同以前都是短時間強降雨造成的這些淹水的災情\n701254\t706820\t但是在本席的選區沿海 彰化沿海 福星 深港地區頻頻出現了所謂的沿海的災情那在台灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17起的超級的陣風這也是民眾很難以事先去預料的災害的情形\n717671\t740202\t所以本席這邊會希望說災防中心也要跟氣象署跟農業部這邊要密切的合作將近年颱風所帶來的相關的災害情形數據呢能夠結合這個前世地圖那民眾可以清楚的知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防台的準備這個部分你們可以去研議嗎好 我覺得這部分我們可以把它加進來需要多久的時間\n741633\t746336\t其實我這邊我要特別提一下沿海造成的障礙其實它不同於下雨你可以去預估甚至可以實際測量那我提一下2023年10月小犬颱風沿海的地區有風大沒有下雨就是風很大然後這個鹽粒子都附著在這個配電線路上的礙子造成了雲加還有我們彰化超過13萬戶的停電我的選區甚至停電超過三天以上\n769668\t782775\t那這個在之前其實有一些民間的氣象研究者他們有提出警示但是沒有受到你們的重視所以我會希望說既然他們提出的這個警示也造成真的有這樣的災損這是很有參考價值的我希望說你們來研議跟相關的部會像氣象署我們農業部合作之外也希望可以納入對地方氣象比較熟知這個變化的這些民間的學者來配合\n797523\t811933\t把他們意見納入讓我們的民眾可以清晰的比較明確的知道說當這個颱風來襲可能造成了災損的範圍或者情況是怎麼樣讓他們可以預先來做這個預防好這部分我們會納入謝謝委員好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝\n","txt":"我請陳秀巴委員質詢謝主席 請國科委吳主委請主委備質詢 謝謝陳委員好\n首先還是要跟主委您討論您在出席大專院校校長會議的時候說到我們台灣沒有自己的諾貝爾獎得主覺得是丟臉的日韓都有他們本土培育的諾貝爾獎得主台灣一個都沒有一定有問題那出了什麼問題呢大學自己要檢討\n國會近期也表示說會鼓勵本土研究落地相信會更有機會拿諾貝爾獎主任您覺得喔認為您覺得說國會未來會用什麼方法來協助我國學者或者說您覺得以後我們學術的指標就是要以永多諾貝爾獎為主\n謝謝陳委員我其實是覺得我們國科會每年編列這些科技算是非常寶貴的我們要好好的運用我希望能夠更有效率的來協助我們學界但是我們的學術界自己也要努力的來檢討我們自己的這個在\n高等教育上面的一些制度這些制度其實不是只有政府的法令規章而是很多制度我們現在是學術自由很多制度是學校自己要訂的我是在鼓勵我們各大學特別是研究型的大學\n能夠好好檢討我們自己是不是把很多的這個指標項目做了錯誤的這個解讀能夠來鼓勵我們的學界寶貴的人力做非常前瞻對人類社會有重大貢獻這種研究那創造人類的福祉如果能夠這樣做的話將來我們在全世界被認可的這個機會就大為提升得到各種\n我想請教主委您覺得在諾貝爾獎的得獎類別之中我們哪一個領域會有比較高的得獎率\n我們在各種科學領域其實我們都有非常好的人力很好的這個素質但是在研究上面不要太短視精力也就是說只是為了要短期內得到很多論文的發表算這個paper的數量而是能夠長期做更重大的貢獻特別是在創新上面不要去追隨別人別人的研究只是想要因為那個領域很容易發表論文就追隨別人\n一直在同一個領域在那邊累積論文世界而是能夠創新創新這個才是最重要我相信說您是好意的啦那其實本席這邊要強調就是說諾貝爾獎的確是說在學術界在國際間是最重要也是最高的榮譽那台灣雖然目前沒有諾貝爾獎的得主\n但是其實我國在國際間半導體是有很舉足輕重的地位那在民主國家中也是很優秀的很堅韌的民主自由在培養學者跟期待中我們可以調整腳步我們也可以轉變方向但其實我們還是要自我肯定我們國家我們國內這個優秀的科研技術溫暖的人文實力以及建立這個民主制度\n我非常同意陳委員講的所以並不只是得到諾貝爾獎才能夠得到肯定是 我們的人力非常優秀台灣人是很聰明然後很勤奮的可是我們好好地鼓勵我們這些人員做創新的東西我們在全世界會被肯定的會更有機會\n好 謝謝主委 接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題台積電到美國投資一千億美元那相當多的這些供應商也紛紛表示說會隨著台積電的東進那所以說台積電他到美國投資加上這些供應商他帶去的效益是一定超過一千億的那本席這邊要討論的是說如果台積電過去了供應商也過去了那台灣的戲盾會不會被削弱\n報告委員我們的台積電它在台灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資而且這個還在進行當中所以我們國科會在各個園區來協助台積電的發展這個腳步從來沒有停下來現在也沒有現在它的需求還在增加當中\n主委我這邊想請教當從業者跟廠商都指出都明確的感覺到說台灣矽頓可能會被削弱的時候我們國客會這邊的想法跟做法是什麼我們有什麼方法可以作為說我們確保台灣的矽頓或是說當我們台灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候那我們剩下的優勢是什麼\n其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導他的憂慮其實我也知道說國科會這邊你們不僅是台灣基礎科研的推動者也應該是我們台灣科技這個關鍵的這些科技跟技術的領頭羊那如果我們台灣的西頓不在台灣的下一個護國神山是什麼是我們現在對在國際間也很\n受重視的這些太空科技的產業或者說是我們還有其他的優勢那我希望說我們國科會這邊可以帶領因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮那我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮\n謝謝委員我們的確在各個前瞻科技的這個領域我們都有投入所以不是只有半導體但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要所以我們在半導體就有這個金創台灣計畫這個金創台灣計畫我們第一個重點就是要協助我們的這個半導體前瞻製程製造這個產業能夠持續保持優勢所以在學界投入我們在產業也投入所以這是一個第一個重點\n那在剛剛我們早幾年也提到這個這個早也提到這個AI的產業這個AI的產業的這個發展我們會從過去我們在製造為主的就是這個雲端伺服器以及當然半導體也是製造為主的這個產業我們會逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業\n希望在各個行業您的意思是說我們不用焦慮說因為台積電到美國去投資了其實我們的優勢還是在的反而是因為我們台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家我們更有實力在台灣能夠實現我們從這個半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域然後我們的優勢更為強大\n謝謝主委您的說明接下來我想請教主委關於我們布拉格前進基地的狀況在去年你們有說會做調整那我想請教說你們現在目前調整如何我們要期待說這個設置目前這個設置可以提供未來我們在科研上有什麼其他的效益還有要請教說我們會不會在其他的國家再設置類似的這些基地或地點\n我們原來在布拉格設立的那個基地是要台灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生但是我們其實人力不足我們在台灣連自己的老師都不夠那其實根本沒有能力去做這個事情那其實捷克人也不會覺得台灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好老實講是不會啦\n所以我改變政策就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域所以我們這個基地目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的設置它變成一個怎樣的性質是一個合作共同合作研究的一個基地\n其實我這邊也理解就是說我們因為相關政策的規劃那我們在施行的時候也要符合就是不管是國際趨勢或整個的局勢的變化但是我們要將台灣的科技實力跟優勢如何進一步的協助到我們其他的盟友或是其他的國家優秀人才來吸引到台灣我也希望說你們有一些更有亮點的\n規劃能夠更有一些實質的效益這個部分你們後續對這個轉型的這個基地的一些相關的規劃是不是也可以一份報告給我辦公室好沒問題謝謝陳委員好接下來我想請教諸位台鐵在今年1月的時候宣布跟災防中心我們要結合這個科技跟鐵路資源並且因應氣候的這個變遷來提升\n鐵路在極端氣候下的這個防災的韌性那我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣我們這個研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用那災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會的這些災防計畫的這個科研的相關的規劃謝謝陳委員這個計畫就是去年因為因為這個台鐵在發聯\n山區因為土石流出了這個事故那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助台鐵因為整個全台灣所有的鐵公路這種巡檢現在都沒有人力沒有人力可以去做巡檢那現在你們進度怎麼樣那我們的進度我請陳主任來報告一下\n委員好,我們大概跟台鐵簽下了合同以後,MOU完了以後我們是定期每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們一些參考我們跟各部會大概目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們有簽MOU了你們提供給台鐵的訊息大概有哪些?\n包括天氣的變化還有下雨的即時資訊下雨就是每個小時它的衝擊大致上在周遭的環境裡頭所有的訊息都會提供給它我們其實今年會啟動一個就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化將來自動去做分析因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了已經連看都沒有人力看了\n更不用談這個巡檢本席在你們災防中心建設的這個3D災害詮釋地圖裡面有發現其實上面有一些資料災害的資料包括像土石流斷層淹水等等但是其中的這個淹水的這個詮釋模擬全台只有四個縣市有淹水模擬資料其中有三個縣市的資料是水利署提供台北市的資料是由市政府提供災防中心在建設淹水模擬圖\n的時候有收集資料上的困難嗎為什麼我們其他縣市沒有辦法建置那如果是沒有困難的我希望說災防中心這邊可以盡速的將這個全台淹水模擬圖建置完成請問你們什麼時候可以完成報告委員其實我們都有建置因為主責單位有水役署啊他來建置這些淹水模擬那我們把這些圖層把它視覺化然後提供給各地你們都有建置但是現在資料上顯示只有四個縣市啊沒有顯示出來啊\n我們會把它補齊 沒有問題會補齊 什麼時候補齊報告委員 這個也需要地方政府配合他們如果願意的話 其實我們資料都有我們都可以做這個分析 然後做這個預警那如果地方政府你們資料都有 但這不是你們建制的網站嗎你們要把資料放上去就可以了\n主席請再給我一點時間我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲其實我們受極端氣候的影響今年颱風來襲的時候災害發生也跟過往有些不同以前都是短時間強降雨造成的這些淹水的災情\n但是在本席的選區沿海 彰化沿海 福星 深港地區頻頻出現了所謂的沿海的災情那在台灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17起的超級的陣風這也是民眾很難以事先去預料的災害的情形\n所以本席這邊會希望說災防中心也要跟氣象署跟農業部這邊要密切的合作將近年颱風所帶來的相關的災害情形數據呢能夠結合這個前世地圖那民眾可以清楚的知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防台的準備這個部分你們可以去研議嗎好 我覺得這部分我們可以把它加進來需要多久的時間\n其實我這邊我要特別提一下沿海造成的障礙其實它不同於下雨你可以去預估甚至可以實際測量那我提一下2023年10月小犬颱風沿海的地區有風大沒有下雨就是風很大然後這個鹽粒子都附著在這個配電線路上的礙子造成了雲加還有我們彰化超過13萬戶的停電我的選區甚至停電超過三天以上\n那這個在之前其實有一些民間的氣象研究者他們有提出警示但是沒有受到你們的重視所以我會希望說既然他們提出的這個警示也造成真的有這樣的災損這是很有參考價值的我希望說你們來研議跟相關的部會像氣象署我們農業部合作之外也希望可以納入對地方氣象比較熟知這個變化的這些民間的學者來配合\n把他們意見納入讓我們的民眾可以清晰的比較明確的知道說當這個颱風來襲可能造成了災損的範圍或者情況是怎麼樣讓他們可以預先來做這個預防好這部分我們會納入謝謝委員好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:13.944\n我請陳秀巴委員質詢謝主席請國科委吳主委請主委備質詢謝謝陳委員好\n\n00:17.847 --> 00:35.084\n首先還是要跟主委您討論您在出席大專院校校長會議的時候說到我們台灣沒有自己的諾貝爾獎得主覺得是丟臉的日韓都有他們本土培育的諾貝爾獎得主台灣一個都沒有一定有問題那出了什麼問題呢大學自己要檢討\n\n00:37.166 --> 00:55.644\n國會近期也表示說會鼓勵本土研究落地相信會更有機會拿諾貝爾獎主任您覺得喔認為您覺得說國會未來會用什麼方法來協助我國學者或者說您覺得以後我們學術的指標就是要以永多諾貝爾獎為主\n\n00:58.020 --> 01:13.889\n謝謝陳委員我其實是覺得我們國科會每年編列這些科技算是非常寶貴的我們要好好的運用我希望能夠更有效率的來協助我們學界但是我們的學術界自己也要努力的來檢討我們自己的這個在\n\n01:15.990 --> 01:31.720\n高等教育上面的一些制度這些制度其實不是只有政府的法令規章而是很多制度我們現在是學術自由很多制度是學校自己要訂的我是在鼓勵我們各大學特別是研究型的大學\n\n01:32.720 --> 01:55.790\n能夠好好檢討我們自己是不是把很多的這個指標項目做了錯誤的這個解讀能夠來鼓勵我們的學界寶貴的人力做非常前瞻對人類社會有重大貢獻這種研究那創造人類的福祉如果能夠這樣做的話將來我們在全世界被認可的這個機會就大為提升得到各種\n\n01:58.991 --> 02:07.147\n我想請教主委您覺得在諾貝爾獎的得獎類別之中我們哪一個領域會有比較高的得獎率\n\n02:07.915 --> 02:36.848\n我們在各種科學領域其實我們都有非常好的人力很好的這個素質但是在研究上面不要太短視精力也就是說只是為了要短期內得到很多論文的發表算這個paper的數量而是能夠長期做更重大的貢獻特別是在創新上面不要去追隨別人別人的研究只是想要因為那個領域很容易發表論文就追隨別人\n\n02:37.768 --> 02:47.953\n一直在同一個領域在那邊累積論文世界而是能夠創新創新這個才是最重要我相信說您是好意的啦那其實本席這邊要強調就是說諾貝爾獎的確是說在學術界在國際間是最重要也是最高的榮譽那台灣雖然目前沒有諾貝爾獎的得主\n\n02:56.237 --> 03:17.395\n但是其實我國在國際間半導體是有很舉足輕重的地位那在民主國家中也是很優秀的很堅韌的民主自由在培養學者跟期待中我們可以調整腳步我們也可以轉變方向但其實我們還是要自我肯定我們國家我們國內這個優秀的科研技術溫暖的人文實力以及建立這個民主制度\n\n03:18.135 --> 03:35.541\n我非常同意陳委員講的所以並不只是得到諾貝爾獎才能夠得到肯定是我們的人力非常優秀台灣人是很聰明然後很勤奮的可是我們好好地鼓勵我們這些人員做創新的東西我們在全世界會被肯定的會更有機會\n\n03:36.141 --> 04:01.397\n好謝謝主委接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題台積電到美國投資一千億美元那相當多的這些供應商也紛紛表示說會隨著台積電的東進那所以說台積電他到美國投資加上這些供應商他帶去的效益是一定超過一千億的那本席這邊要討論的是說如果台積電過去了供應商也過去了那台灣的戲盾會不會被削弱\n\n04:02.538 --> 04:21.120\n報告委員我們的台積電它在台灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資而且這個還在進行當中所以我們國科會在各個園區來協助台積電的發展這個腳步從來沒有停下來現在也沒有現在它的需求還在增加當中\n\n04:21.761 --> 04:25.023\n主委我這邊想請教當從業者跟廠商都指出都明確的感覺到說台灣矽頓可能會被削弱的時候我們國客會這邊的想法跟做法是什麼我們有什麼方法可以作為說我們確保台灣的矽頓或是說當我們台灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候那我們剩下的優勢是什麼\n\n04:43.732 --> 05:02.576\n其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導他的憂慮其實我也知道說國科會這邊你們不僅是台灣基礎科研的推動者也應該是我們台灣科技這個關鍵的這些科技跟技術的領頭羊那如果我們台灣的西頓不在台灣的下一個護國神山是什麼是我們現在對在國際間也很\n\n05:06.417 --> 05:19.337\n受重視的這些太空科技的產業或者說是我們還有其他的優勢那我希望說我們國科會這邊可以帶領因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮那我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮\n\n05:21.366 --> 05:49.232\n謝謝委員我們的確在各個前瞻科技的這個領域我們都有投入所以不是只有半導體但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要所以我們在半導體就有這個金創台灣計畫這個金創台灣計畫我們第一個重點就是要協助我們的這個半導體前瞻製程製造這個產業能夠持續保持優勢所以在學界投入我們在產業也投入所以這是一個第一個重點\n\n05:49.992 --> 06:11.621\n那在剛剛我們早幾年也提到這個這個早也提到這個AI的產業這個AI的產業的這個發展我們會從過去我們在製造為主的就是這個雲端伺服器以及當然半導體也是製造為主的這個產業我們會逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業\n\n06:12.361 --> 06:18.505\n希望在各個行業您的意思是說我們不用焦慮說因為台積電到美國去投資了其實我們的優勢還是在的反而是因為我們台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家我們更有實力在台灣能夠實現我們從這個半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域然後我們的優勢更為強大\n\n06:38.318 --> 06:59.645\n謝謝主委您的說明接下來我想請教主委關於我們布拉格前進基地的狀況在去年你們有說會做調整那我想請教說你們現在目前調整如何我們要期待說這個設置目前這個設置可以提供未來我們在科研上有什麼其他的效益還有要請教說我們會不會在其他的國家再設置類似的這些基地或地點\n\n07:01.004 --> 07:22.922\n我們原來在布拉格設立的那個基地是要台灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生但是我們其實人力不足我們在台灣連自己的老師都不夠那其實根本沒有能力去做這個事情那其實捷克人也不會覺得台灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好老實講是不會啦\n\n07:23.602 --> 07:37.591\n所以我改變政策就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域所以我們這個基地目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的設置它變成一個怎樣的性質是一個合作共同合作研究的一個基地\n\n07:46.628 --> 08:09.174\n其實我這邊也理解就是說我們因為相關政策的規劃那我們在施行的時候也要符合就是不管是國際趨勢或整個的局勢的變化但是我們要將台灣的科技實力跟優勢如何進一步的協助到我們其他的盟友或是其他的國家優秀人才來吸引到台灣我也希望說你們有一些更有亮點的\n\n08:09.594 --> 08:13.738\n規劃能夠更有一些實質的效益這個部分你們後續對這個轉型的這個基地的一些相關的規劃是不是也可以一份報告給我辦公室好沒問題謝謝陳委員好接下來我想請教諸位台鐵在今年1月的時候宣布跟災防中心我們要結合這個科技跟鐵路資源並且因應氣候的這個變遷來提升\n\n08:33.037 --> 08:45.606\n鐵路在極端氣候下的這個防災的韌性那我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣我們這個研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用那災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會的這些災防計畫的這個科研的相關的規劃謝謝陳委員這個計畫就是去年因為因為這個台鐵在發聯\n\n08:53.791 --> 09:12.916\n山區因為土石流出了這個事故那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助台鐵因為整個全台灣所有的鐵公路這種巡檢現在都沒有人力沒有人力可以去做巡檢那現在你們進度怎麼樣那我們的進度我請陳主任來報告一下\n\n09:14.225 --> 09:30.284\n委員好,我們大概跟台鐵簽下了合同以後,MOU完了以後我們是定期每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們一些參考我們跟各部會大概目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們有簽MOU了你們提供給台鐵的訊息大概有哪些?\n\n09:35.149 --> 10:03.190\n包括天氣的變化還有下雨的即時資訊下雨就是每個小時它的衝擊大致上在周遭的環境裡頭所有的訊息都會提供給它我們其實今年會啟動一個就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化將來自動去做分析因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了已經連看都沒有人力看了\n\n10:03.850 --> 10:28.043\n更不用談這個巡檢本席在你們災防中心建設的這個3D災害詮釋地圖裡面有發現其實上面有一些資料災害的資料包括像土石流斷層淹水等等但是其中的這個淹水的這個詮釋模擬全台只有四個縣市有淹水模擬資料其中有三個縣市的資料是水利署提供台北市的資料是由市政府提供災防中心在建設淹水模擬圖\n\n10:29.424 --> 10:57.615\n的時候有收集資料上的困難嗎為什麼我們其他縣市沒有辦法建置那如果是沒有困難的我希望說災防中心這邊可以盡速的將這個全台淹水模擬圖建置完成請問你們什麼時候可以完成報告委員其實我們都有建置因為主責單位有水役署啊他來建置這些淹水模擬那我們把這些圖層把它視覺化然後提供給各地你們都有建置但是現在資料上顯示只有四個縣市啊沒有顯示出來啊\n\n10:59.342 --> 11:18.988\n我們會把它補齊沒有問題會補齊什麼時候補齊報告委員這個也需要地方政府配合他們如果願意的話其實我們資料都有我們都可以做這個分析然後做這個預警那如果地方政府你們資料都有但這不是你們建制的網站嗎你們要把資料放上去就可以了\n\n11:22.095 --> 11:26.019\n主席請再給我一點時間我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲其實我們受極端氣候的影響今年颱風來襲的時候災害發生也跟過往有些不同以前都是短時間強降雨造成的這些淹水的災情\n\n11:41.254 --> 11:46.820\n但是在本席的選區沿海彰化沿海福星深港地區頻頻出現了所謂的沿海的災情那在台灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17起的超級的陣風這也是民眾很難以事先去預料的災害的情形\n\n11:57.671 --> 12:20.202\n所以本席這邊會希望說災防中心也要跟氣象署跟農業部這邊要密切的合作將近年颱風所帶來的相關的災害情形數據呢能夠結合這個前世地圖那民眾可以清楚的知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防台的準備這個部分你們可以去研議嗎好我覺得這部分我們可以把它加進來需要多久的時間\n\n12:21.633 --> 12:26.336\n其實我這邊我要特別提一下沿海造成的障礙其實它不同於下雨你可以去預估甚至可以實際測量那我提一下2023年10月小犬颱風沿海的地區有風大沒有下雨就是風很大然後這個鹽粒子都附著在這個配電線路上的礙子造成了雲加還有我們彰化超過13萬戶的停電我的選區甚至停電超過三天以上\n\n12:49.668 --> 13:02.775\n那這個在之前其實有一些民間的氣象研究者他們有提出警示但是沒有受到你們的重視所以我會希望說既然他們提出的這個警示也造成真的有這樣的災損這是很有參考價值的我希望說你們來研議跟相關的部會像氣象署我們農業部合作之外也希望可以納入對地方氣象比較熟知這個變化的這些民間的學者來配合\n\n13:17.523 --> 13:31.933\n把他們意見納入讓我們的民眾可以清晰的比較明確的知道說當這個颱風來襲可能造成了災損的範圍或者情況是怎麼樣讓他們可以預先來做這個預防好這部分我們會納入謝謝委員好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.069,"end":13.944,"text":"我請陳秀巴委員質詢謝主席 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我們的人力非常優秀台灣人是很聰明然後很勤奮的可是我們好好地鼓勵我們這些人員做創新的東西我們在全世界會被肯定的會更有機會"},{"start":216.141,"end":241.397,"text":"好 謝謝主委 接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題台積電到美國投資一千億美元那相當多的這些供應商也紛紛表示說會隨著台積電的東進那所以說台積電他到美國投資加上這些供應商他帶去的效益是一定超過一千億的那本席這邊要討論的是說如果台積電過去了供應商也過去了那台灣的戲盾會不會被削弱"},{"start":242.538,"end":261.12,"text":"報告委員我們的台積電它在台灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資而且這個還在進行當中所以我們國科會在各個園區來協助台積電的發展這個腳步從來沒有停下來現在也沒有現在它的需求還在增加當中"},{"start":261.761,"end":265.023,"text":"主委我這邊想請教當從業者跟廠商都指出都明確的感覺到說台灣矽頓可能會被削弱的時候我們國客會這邊的想法跟做法是什麼我們有什麼方法可以作為說我們確保台灣的矽頓或是說當我們台灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候那我們剩下的優勢是什麼"},{"start":283.732,"end":302.576,"text":"其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導他的憂慮其實我也知道說國科會這邊你們不僅是台灣基礎科研的推動者也應該是我們台灣科技這個關鍵的這些科技跟技術的領頭羊那如果我們台灣的西頓不在台灣的下一個護國神山是什麼是我們現在對在國際間也很"},{"start":306.417,"end":319.337,"text":"受重視的這些太空科技的產業或者說是我們還有其他的優勢那我希望說我們國科會這邊可以帶領因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮那我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮"},{"start":321.366,"end":349.232,"text":"謝謝委員我們的確在各個前瞻科技的這個領域我們都有投入所以不是只有半導體但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要所以我們在半導體就有這個金創台灣計畫這個金創台灣計畫我們第一個重點就是要協助我們的這個半導體前瞻製程製造這個產業能夠持續保持優勢所以在學界投入我們在產業也投入所以這是一個第一個重點"},{"start":349.992,"end":371.621,"text":"那在剛剛我們早幾年也提到這個這個早也提到這個AI的產業這個AI的產業的這個發展我們會從過去我們在製造為主的就是這個雲端伺服器以及當然半導體也是製造為主的這個產業我們會逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業"},{"start":372.361,"end":378.505,"text":"希望在各個行業您的意思是說我們不用焦慮說因為台積電到美國去投資了其實我們的優勢還是在的反而是因為我們台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家我們更有實力在台灣能夠實現我們從這個半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域然後我們的優勢更為強大"},{"start":398.318,"end":419.645,"text":"謝謝主委您的說明接下來我想請教主委關於我們布拉格前進基地的狀況在去年你們有說會做調整那我想請教說你們現在目前調整如何我們要期待說這個設置目前這個設置可以提供未來我們在科研上有什麼其他的效益還有要請教說我們會不會在其他的國家再設置類似的這些基地或地點"},{"start":421.004,"end":442.922,"text":"我們原來在布拉格設立的那個基地是要台灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生但是我們其實人力不足我們在台灣連自己的老師都不夠那其實根本沒有能力去做這個事情那其實捷克人也不會覺得台灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好老實講是不會啦"},{"start":443.602,"end":457.591,"text":"所以我改變政策就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域所以我們這個基地目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的設置它變成一個怎樣的性質是一個合作共同合作研究的一個基地"},{"start":466.628,"end":489.174,"text":"其實我這邊也理解就是說我們因為相關政策的規劃那我們在施行的時候也要符合就是不管是國際趨勢或整個的局勢的變化但是我們要將台灣的科技實力跟優勢如何進一步的協助到我們其他的盟友或是其他的國家優秀人才來吸引到台灣我也希望說你們有一些更有亮點的"},{"start":489.594,"end":493.738,"text":"規劃能夠更有一些實質的效益這個部分你們後續對這個轉型的這個基地的一些相關的規劃是不是也可以一份報告給我辦公室好沒問題謝謝陳委員好接下來我想請教諸位台鐵在今年1月的時候宣布跟災防中心我們要結合這個科技跟鐵路資源並且因應氣候的這個變遷來提升"},{"start":513.037,"end":525.606,"text":"鐵路在極端氣候下的這個防災的韌性那我想請教主委目前進度怎麼樣我們這個研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用那災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會的這些災防計畫的這個科研的相關的規劃謝謝陳委員這個計畫就是去年因為因為這個台鐵在發聯"},{"start":533.791,"end":552.916,"text":"山區因為土石流出了這個事故那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助台鐵因為整個全台灣所有的鐵公路這種巡檢現在都沒有人力沒有人力可以去做巡檢那現在你們進度怎麼樣那我們的進度我請陳主任來報告一下"},{"start":554.225,"end":570.284,"text":"委員好,我們大概跟台鐵簽下了合同以後,MOU完了以後我們是定期每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們一些參考我們跟各部會大概目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們有簽MOU了你們提供給台鐵的訊息大概有哪些?"},{"start":575.149,"end":603.19,"text":"包括天氣的變化還有下雨的即時資訊下雨就是每個小時它的衝擊大致上在周遭的環境裡頭所有的訊息都會提供給它我們其實今年會啟動一個就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化將來自動去做分析因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了已經連看都沒有人力看了"},{"start":603.85,"end":628.043,"text":"更不用談這個巡檢本席在你們災防中心建設的這個3D災害詮釋地圖裡面有發現其實上面有一些資料災害的資料包括像土石流斷層淹水等等但是其中的這個淹水的這個詮釋模擬全台只有四個縣市有淹水模擬資料其中有三個縣市的資料是水利署提供台北市的資料是由市政府提供災防中心在建設淹水模擬圖"},{"start":629.424,"end":657.615,"text":"的時候有收集資料上的困難嗎為什麼我們其他縣市沒有辦法建置那如果是沒有困難的我希望說災防中心這邊可以盡速的將這個全台淹水模擬圖建置完成請問你們什麼時候可以完成報告委員其實我們都有建置因為主責單位有水役署啊他來建置這些淹水模擬那我們把這些圖層把它視覺化然後提供給各地你們都有建置但是現在資料上顯示只有四個縣市啊沒有顯示出來啊"},{"start":659.342,"end":678.988,"text":"我們會把它補齊 沒有問題會補齊 什麼時候補齊報告委員 這個也需要地方政府配合他們如果願意的話 其實我們資料都有我們都可以做這個分析 然後做這個預警那如果地方政府你們資料都有 但這不是你們建制的網站嗎你們要把資料放上去就可以了"},{"start":682.095,"end":686.019,"text":"主席請再給我一點時間我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲其實我們受極端氣候的影響今年颱風來襲的時候災害發生也跟過往有些不同以前都是短時間強降雨造成的這些淹水的災情"},{"start":701.254,"end":706.82,"text":"但是在本席的選區沿海 彰化沿海 福星 深港地區頻頻出現了所謂的沿海的災情那在台灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17起的超級的陣風這也是民眾很難以事先去預料的災害的情形"},{"start":717.671,"end":740.202,"text":"所以本席這邊會希望說災防中心也要跟氣象署跟農業部這邊要密切的合作將近年颱風所帶來的相關的災害情形數據呢能夠結合這個前世地圖那民眾可以清楚的知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防台的準備這個部分你們可以去研議嗎好 我覺得這部分我們可以把它加進來需要多久的時間"},{"start":741.633,"end":746.336,"text":"其實我這邊我要特別提一下沿海造成的障礙其實它不同於下雨你可以去預估甚至可以實際測量那我提一下2023年10月小犬颱風沿海的地區有風大沒有下雨就是風很大然後這個鹽粒子都附著在這個配電線路上的礙子造成了雲加還有我們彰化超過13萬戶的停電我的選區甚至停電超過三天以上"},{"start":769.668,"end":782.775,"text":"那這個在之前其實有一些民間的氣象研究者他們有提出警示但是沒有受到你們的重視所以我會希望說既然他們提出的這個警示也造成真的有這樣的災損這是很有參考價值的我希望說你們來研議跟相關的部會像氣象署我們農業部合作之外也希望可以納入對地方氣象比較熟知這個變化的這些民間的學者來配合"},{"start":797.523,"end":811.933,"text":"把他們意見納入讓我們的民眾可以清晰的比較明確的知道說當這個颱風來襲可能造成了災損的範圍或者情況是怎麼樣讓他們可以預先來做這個預防好這部分我們會納入謝謝委員好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":247,"blocks":[["陳委員秀寳：（10時3分）謝謝主席，請國科會吳主委。"],["主席：請主委備詢，謝謝。"],["吳主任委員誠文：陳委員好。"],["陳委員秀寳：主委早安。首先還是要跟主委您討論，您在出席大專院校校長會議的時候說到，我們臺灣沒有自己的諾貝爾獎得主，覺得是丟臉的，日韓都有他們本土培育的諾貝爾獎得主，臺灣一個都沒有，一定有問題，出了什麼問題大學自己要檢討。國科會近期也表示會鼓勵本土研究落地，相信會更有機會拿諾貝爾獎。主委，您覺得國科會未來會用什麼方法來協助我國學者，或者說您覺得以後我們學術的指標就是要以勇奪諾貝爾獎為主嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：謝謝陳委員，我其實是覺得我們國科會每年編列這些科技預算是非常寶貴的，我們要好好的運用，我希望能夠更有效率地來協助我們學界，但是我們的學術界自己也要努力地來檢討我們自己在高等教育上面的一些制度，這些制度其實不是只有政府的法令規章，而是我們現在是學術自由，很多制度是學校自己要訂的，我是在鼓勵我們各大學，特別是研究型的大學，能夠好好檢討我們自己是不是把很多的指標項目做了錯誤的解讀，能夠來鼓勵我們學界寶貴的人力做非常前瞻、對人類社會有重大貢獻的這種研究，創造人類的福祉。如果能夠這樣做的話，將來我們在全世界被認可的機會就大為提升，得到各種……"],["陳委員秀寳：我想請教主委，您覺得在諾貝爾獎的得獎類別之中，我們在哪一個領域會有比較高的得獎率？"],["吳主任委員誠文：其實我們在各種科學領域都有非常好的人力、很好的素質，但是在研究上面不要太短視近利，也就是說只是為了要在短期內得到很多論文的發表，算paper的數量，而是能夠長期做更重大的貢獻，特別是在創新上面，不要去追隨別人的研究，只是因為那個領域很容易發表論文，就追隨別人，一直在同一個領域累積論文數，而是能夠創新，這個才是最重要的。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，主委，我相信您是好意的，其實本席在這邊要強調，諾貝爾獎的確在學術界、在國際間是最重要也是最高的榮譽，臺灣雖然目前沒有諾貝爾獎的得主，但是其實我國的半導體在國際間是有很舉足輕重的地位，在民主國家中也是很優秀的、很堅韌的民主之友，在培養學者跟期待中，我們可以調整腳步，我們也可以轉變方向，但其實我們還是要自我肯定我們國內優秀的科研技術、溫暖的人文實力，以及堅毅的民主制度。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我非常同意陳委員講的，我們的……"],["陳委員秀寳：所以並不只是得到諾貝爾獎才能夠得到肯定。"],["吳主任委員誠文：是，我們的人力非常優秀，臺灣人是很聰明、很勤奮的，我們好好的鼓勵我們的人員做創新的東西，我們在全世界會被肯定的，會更有機會。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝主委。","接下來再跟您請教關於台積電到美國設廠的這個問題，台積電到美國投資1,000億美元，相當多的供應商也紛紛表示會隨著台積電東進，所以說台積電到美國投資，加上這些供應商，它帶去的效益是一定超過1,000億的。本席這邊要討論的是，如果台積電過去了，供應商也過去了，那臺灣的矽盾會不會被削弱？"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，台積電在臺灣的投資其實是高於在國外的投資，而且這個還在進行當中，所以我們國科會在各個園區協助台積電的發展，這個腳步從來沒有停下來，現在也沒有，現在它的需求還在增加當中。"],["陳委員秀寳：主委，我這邊想請教，當業者跟廠商都指出，明確感覺到臺灣矽盾可能會被削弱的時候，國科會這邊的想法跟作法是什麼？我們有什麼方法可以確保臺灣的矽盾？或是當臺灣在科技界被提及不再是因為台積電的時候，那我們剩下的優勢是什麼？其實本席的憂慮也是我們一般的民眾看到這些報導後的憂慮，我也知道國科會不僅是臺灣基礎科研的推動者，也應該是臺灣關鍵科技跟技術的領頭羊。如果我們臺灣的矽盾不再，臺灣的下一個護國神山是什麼？是現在在國際間也很受重視的這些太空科技產業嗎？或者說我們還有其他的優勢？我希望國科會這邊可以帶領，因為國人看到這些報導一定會有憂慮，我也希望國科會可以為國人消除這些憂慮。"],["吳主任委員誠文：謝謝委員，我們的確在各個前瞻科技的領域都有投入，所以不是只有半導體，但是特別因為半導體現在對我們非常重要，所以我們在半導體就有晶創臺灣計畫，這個晶創臺灣計畫的第一個重點就是要協助我們的半導體前瞻製程製造產業能夠持續保持優勢，所以在學界投入，我們在產業也投入，這是第一個重點。剛剛召委也提到AI的產業，這個AI的產業發展，我們會從過去在製造為主的產業，如：雲端伺服器、半導體，逐步發展到支持我們的百工百業，希望在各個行業……"],["陳委員秀寳：主委，您的意思是，我們不用因為台積電到美國去投資就感到焦慮，其實我們的優勢還是在的。"],["吳主任委員誠文：不用焦慮，反而是因為台積電到美國去接觸到國際這些科技發達的國家後，我們更有實力在臺灣實現，從半導體跟硬體製造來協助我們發展其他領域，反而我們的優勢更為強大。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝主委您的說明。接下來我想請教主委關於布拉格前進基地的狀況，在去年你們有說會做調整，我想請教你們目前調整得如何？我們要期待這個設置未來可以提供我們在科研上什麼其他的效益？還有要請教，我們會不會在其他國家再設置類似的基地或地點？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們原來在布拉格設立的基地是要從臺灣派人到那邊去訓練他們的學生，但其實我們的人力不足，我們在臺灣連自己的老師都不夠，根本沒有能力去做這個事情，其實捷克人也不會覺得臺灣人去那邊用英語教他們學生會教得比較好，老實講是不會啦！所以我改變政策，就是我們加強跟捷克理工大學的雙邊合作，真正進到前瞻半導體研究這個領域，這樣對雙方都好。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以目前這個基地轉型為一個怎樣的……"],["吳主任委員誠文：已經轉過來了。"],["陳委員秀寳：轉型為一個怎樣的設置？它變成一個怎樣的性質？"],["吳主任委員誠文：是一個共同合作研究的基地。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，主委，其實我也理解因為相關政策的規劃，我們在施行的時候也要符合國際趨勢或整個局勢的變化，但是我們要如何將臺灣的科技實力跟優勢進一步地協助到我們其他的盟友，或是把其他國家的優秀人才吸引到臺灣來？我也希望你們有一些更有亮點的規劃，能夠更有一些實質的效益。關於你們後續對轉型基地相關規劃的部分，是不是也可以提供一份報告給我的辦公室？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，沒問題，謝謝陳委員。"],["陳委員秀寳：好。接下來我想請教主委，臺鐵在今年1月的時候宣布將與災防中心合作，要結合科技跟鐵路資源，並且因應氣候變遷，來提升鐵路在極端氣候下的防災韌性。我想請教主委，目前的進度怎麼樣？你們研發的成果預計什麼時候可以投入使用？災防中心目前還有推動哪些跨部會災防計畫的科研相關規劃？"],["吳主任委員誠文：謝謝陳委員，這個計畫是起於去年臺鐵在花蓮山區因為土石流出了事故，那個時候我就請我們災防中心要啟動一個計畫來協助臺鐵，因為全臺灣所有鐵公路的巡檢都沒有人力可以去做。"],["陳委員秀寳：現在你們的進度怎麼樣？"],["吳主任委員誠文：關於我們的進度，我請陳主任來報告一下。"],["陳主任宏宇：委員好。我們跟臺鐵簽下合同、MOU以後，我們是定期、每天都會提供即時的資訊給他們參考。我們跟各部會，目前總共有17個單位已經跟我們簽MOU了，謝謝。"],["陳委員秀寳：你們提供給臺鐵的訊息大概有哪些？"],["陳主任宏宇：包括天氣的變化以及下雨的即時資訊，就是每個小時的衝擊，大致上在周遭的環境裡頭，所有的訊息都會提供給他。"],["吳主任委員誠文：我們其實今年會啟動一個計畫，就是把它沿線所裝的監視攝影機AI化，將來自動去做警示。"],["陳委員秀寳：做分析就對了？"],["吳主任委員誠文：對，做分析、警示，因為現在沒有人力看那些攝影機了，已經連看的人力都沒有了，更不用談巡檢。"],["陳委員秀寳：本席在你們災防中心建置的3D災害潛勢地圖裡面有發現，其實上面有一些災害的資料，包括土石流、斷層、淹水等等，但是其中淹水的潛勢模擬，全臺只有4個縣市有淹水模擬資料，其中有3個縣市的資料是由水利署提供，臺北市的資料是由市政府提供。災防中心在建置淹水模擬圖的時候，有蒐集資料上的困難嗎？為什麼其他縣市沒有辦法建置？如果沒有困難，我希望災防中心可以儘速地將全臺淹水模擬圖建置完成。請問你們什麼時候可以完成？"],["陳主任宏宇：報告委員，其實我們都有建置，因為是由主責單位──水利署來建置這些淹水模擬，我們是把這些圖層視覺化，然後提供給地方政府。"],["陳委員秀寳：你們都有建置，但是現在資料上顯示只有4個縣市，其他都沒有顯示出來。"],["陳主任宏宇：我們會把它補齊，沒有問題。"],["陳委員秀寳：會補齊？什麼時候補齊？"],["吳主任委員誠文：報告委員，這個也需要地方政府配合，他們如果願意的話，其實我們資料都有，我們都可以做分析然後預警，如果地方政府……"],["陳委員秀寳：你們資料都有，但這不是你們建置的網站嗎？你們不是把資料放上去就可以了？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，這部分我們會執行，謝謝。"],["陳委員秀寳：這個部分我要提一下，主席，請再給我一點時間。我也要為我自己選區的鄉親來發聲，其實我們受極端氣候的影響，近年颱風來襲的時候，災害發生也跟過往有些不同，以前都是短時間強降雨造成的淹水災情，但是在本席的選區──彰化沿海，像福興、伸港地區頻頻出現鹽害的災情，在臺灣的離島跟山區也曾出現過17級的超級陣風，這也是民眾很難以事先預料的災害情形。所以本席希望災防中心也要跟氣象署及農業部密切地合作，將近年颱風所帶來的相關災害情形、數據，能夠結合潛勢地圖，讓民眾可以清楚地知道颱風來襲的時候需要做什麼防颱的準備。這個部分你們可以去研議嗎？"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，這部分我們可以把它加進來。"],["陳委員秀寳：需要多久時間？"],["吳主任委員誠文：應該今年就可以……"],["陳委員秀寳：其實我要特別提一下鹽害造成的災害，它不同於下雨可以去預估，甚至可以實際測量。我提一下，2023年10月小犬颱風來襲時，沿海地區風大但沒有下雨，鹽粒子都附著在配電線路上的礙子，造成了雲林、嘉義和彰化超過13萬戶的停電，我的選區甚至停電超過3天以上。在此之前，其實有一些民間的氣象研究者就曾提出警示，但是沒有受到你們的重視，既然他們提出這個警示，也真的有造成這樣的災損，這是很有參考價值的，我希望你們可以來研議，除了跟相關部會，像氣象署、農業部來合作之外，也希望可以與比較熟知地方氣象變化的民間學者來配合，把他們的意見納入，讓我們的民眾可以比較明確地知道當這個颱風來襲可能造成的災損範圍或者情況是怎麼樣，讓他們可以預先做預防。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，這部分我們會納入，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，謝謝主委、謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝陳秀寳委員質詢，感謝主委及部會官員，請回座。","接著繼續進行質詢，請張雅琳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":110,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-3","speakers":["葛如鈞","羅廷瑋","柯志恩","林沛祥","陳秀寳","張雅琳","吳沛憶","林宜瑾","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","劉書彬","葉元之","郭昱晴","范雲","陳培瑜","萬美玲","翁曉玲","鍾佳濱","賴士葆","林倩綺"],"page_start":49,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1142901_00002"}}}