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00:00:33,291\n委員長主委早安我們知道公共工程委員會是這個政府採購法還有計事法跟工程技術顧問公司管理條例的主管機關那對整個國家的這個公共建設的是不是能夠順利的發包推行然後包括這個\n\n3\n00:00:34,392 --> 00:00:49,891\n品質確保施工的品質等等我們公共工程委員會是肩負著很重責大任當然這些業務要順利的推動所以預算很重要我們看到就是說我們工程會在今年度的一個預算\n\n4\n00:00:51,452 --> 00:00:53,773\n原本是編列了5億4163萬8千元那目前就是經過就是立法院大會的一個審議之後目前是確定已經被刪了1514萬3千元那凍結業務費1億3百\n\n5\n00:01:09,182 --> 00:01:24,365\n03萬元嘛這是確定的嘛對不對那本席想請問一下就是說對這樣子的一個預算被煽動的一個結果對我們公共工程委員會今年度的業務的推行會有什麼樣的困難是不是可以請主委講一下\n\n6\n00:01:25,909 --> 00:01:40,532\n謝謝委員主要兩部分就是凍結50%的部分是業務費雖然工程會預算不多但是工程會去控管的國家公共建設以今年度來講1億以上的控管就有7000多億\n\n7\n00:01:41,633 --> 00:02:07,049\n所以我們這些業務費主要就是包括去去視察去看這個橋樑或審議基本設計等等很簡單的來講如果凍結一半的話那一半不知道什麼時候會解凍那相對的那7000多億將近8000例的公共建設我們就一半沒有辦法去督導啦那這是其一第二個比較嚴重的就是金職獎因為金職獎要報名金職獎的大概去年就在準備了那\n\n8\n00:02:07,529 --> 00:02:21,545\n我們現在要發包了然後要通知業者他7月就開始來報名那我們就持續要去查核所以我們如果的預算剛才有說明凍結一半的話那後面\n\n9\n00:02:22,366 --> 00:02:44,848\n我們包括出席審查出評賦評的委員都要給車馬費都要出席費不知道能不能付得出啦所以到底要不要辦我們現在還在等這個預算到底有沒有比較明確什麼時候可以解凍尤其凍結金的史無前例的是在院會來解凍那我們看了一些大院的議事規則\n\n10\n00:02:46,269 --> 00:03:08,849\n院會來解凍這件事情好像還沒有潛力可循到底怎麼解凍我們都很難去有個遵循所以我們才評估說對工程會雖然預算不多那凍結53看起來不多但影響卻很大是那剛剛有委員詢問說你們工程會有沒有送出解凍案了\n\n11\n00:03:11,004 --> 00:03:31,390\n那就是說我們大院要求我們執行預算30%以後才能夠提解凍可是今年的解凍跟過去不一樣以前我們在委員會就可以處理因為我們跟各位委員都比較熟平常業務也都說明所以基本上我們比較有\n\n12\n00:03:32,389 --> 00:03:49,157\n有信心說在委員會來報告會獲得委員的支持但是在大院的院會就不一定比方說我們今年中央政府總預算在各委員會都已經談了差不多了刪多少凍結多少那機關也都我們也都同意了可是到院會去又突然會變卦\n\n13\n00:03:49,997 --> 00:03:54,081\n對其實我們看到這次工程會被凍結比例最高的就是業務費50%我們也看到這是國民黨黨團的一個提案他們的提案也綁了一個條件就是要執行30%之後使得申請解凍\n\n14\n00:04:12,017 --> 00:04:31,614\n那要送院會所以這個其實也是史無前例的啦那何況說上個禮拜四我們行政院的一個復議案才被否決嘛所以就是說在這麼短的時間怎麼有可能說你們優務單位有可能提出這個解凍案所以我覺得這個真的是在誤導這個民眾\n\n15\n00:04:33,416 --> 00:04:51,551\n那所以這個結果都是已經確定了當然就是造成了我們工程會沒有辦法的去對這個大型公共建設的這個發包的部分沒有辦法去協助順利發包因為我們知道最近幾年就是很多的公共建設的案子流標的次數\n\n16\n00:04:52,511 --> 00:05:06,280\n比例也比較高這個也是要透過我們工程會去協助檢討之後來協助順利發包這個也是關係到整個地方基礎建設是不是可以順利的一個推展的部分那包括這個爭議案件的一個審議就是有關採購的一個爭議也是要透過我們工程會來做一個審議跟協調這個也都是會影響到這個廠商跟整個業務單位相關的一個權益問題\n\n17\n00:05:21,889 --> 00:05:45,404\n那最重要的就是有關這個技師跟顧問公司證照業務的一個推動這個也是一個很重大的影響嘛這部分我替主委補充一下這部分你剛剛沒有提到嘛這個對整個全國約三萬名技師跟一千多家顧問公司的權益也是會造成很重大的一個影響嘛是不是那還有一項就是金職獎的部分你剛剛有提到了那這個也很多委員剛剛都有這個在關心的\n\n18\n00:05:48,866 --> 00:06:04,893\n那有關這個金職獎這個可以說號稱是工程界的奧斯卡獎嘛對不對那如果說這個預算業務費沒有辦法這個順利的解凍的話就是恐怕面臨停辦嘛是不是\n\n19\n00:06:05,843 --> 00:06:21,749\n對因為這個金指獎的期程比較長牽涉到很多家廠商他到底要不要報名或不報名都影響很大他要投入去準備所以我們希望有一個比較明確的能夠讓我們知道這個預算能不能用\n\n20\n00:06:22,369 --> 00:06:36,795\n那可是呢他的困難度就是說這次是院會解凍那到底呢將來所有的這些院會解凍的案呢是各部會呢到院會裡去尋求解凍呢還是行政院一次去尋求解凍我們都還不知道那\n\n21\n00:06:37,975 --> 00:07:05,592\n各部會向行政院來提解凍案呢還是行政院統包一次來向立法院來提解凍也都不知道那怎麼審查也都不知道那如果又陷入院會到時候又要去說明又要去表決那個都未定之天所以對我們來講造成很大的困難那請教一下這個金職獎對於工程界重不重要\n\n22\n00:07:08,116 --> 00:07:36,307\n歷年金職獎已經辦了24屆了啦所以它有一定的品牌那也是工程品質的一個指標啦所以所有的公共工程的機關或成人廠商都很希望在他們努力之後他的品質獲得金職獎的肯定啦那這個金職獎肯定除了說將來他這個再去參與其他工程的評選的時候有加分或者是他的保固禮約等等可以\n\n23\n00:07:37,427 --> 00:08:06,278\n可以減半等等這些優惠之外各界太重視這個金職獎了所以我們那個整個期程是很長啦不是說我可以這個先付款或不付款的問題那的確是需要大院能夠儘早能夠來幫忙所以金職獎對於這是就是工程界非常重視這個金職獎非常重視對所以如果停辦的話我想對整個工程界可能也是會造成很大的一個我們也會有很大的壓力啦就是如果停辦\n\n24\n00:08:07,018 --> 00:08:28,305\n那工程界對我們也會有一定的不諒解所以我們一方面有這個壓力一方面有預算不知道在哪裡的這個困擾因為我們知道就是說透過金職獎我們可以就是透過廠商間的一個良性競爭然後也可以變成是大家一個經驗的一個分享那也是可以確保這個公共工程一個施工品質\n\n25\n00:08:29,065 --> 00:08:32,707\n所以我覺得說這樣子的一個金職獎舉辦是很有意義的那何況又說這個金職獎是評定優良廠商的一個依據透過這樣子的一個評定也是可以讓這些優良廠商享有一定的一個優惠所以我們也是就是說對於這樣子金職獎因為業務費被這樣子大幅的一個凍結恐怕面臨\n\n26\n00:08:52,899 --> 00:09:11,360\n停辦我們是覺得非常的一個遺憾那另外還有一個很重要的一個業務就是工程查核的一個部分那工程查核的這個經費雖然編列的數額也不是很大可是也是非常的重要那目前也是確定被刪減了七萬兩千元然後又被凍結了\n\n27\n00:09:15,843 --> 00:09:36,309\n這個89萬就是超過了一半那對這個部分對我們這個公共工程有什麼樣的影響是不是請那個主委跟委員報告114年度的公共建設來講列管的一以上的就包括了七千大概七千七百多億所以我們這個查核才178萬凍結的話恐怕會造成連出去\n\n28\n00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:50,164\n租車都沒有錢啦這個吃個便當可能這個業務費都沒辦法使用所以影響所及是那個7000多億的一半將近4000億受影響\n\n29\n00:09:51,124 --> 00:10:13,764\n是所以我覺得說這個在野黨對於這個預算在審查的時候提這樣子的一個煽動案真的就是漠視這民眾的一個公共安全所以我們也是覺得非常的遺憾那我們也希望就是說工程會在當然就是在衡量我們預算的執行的情形的話也是盡量趕快來爭取這個解凍好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4338\t7529\t謝謝主席 請主席邀請主委好 陳主委\n13680\t33291\t委員長主委早安我們知道公共工程委員會是這個政府採購法還有計事法跟工程技術顧問公司管理條例的主管機關那對整個國家的這個公共建設的是不是能夠順利的發包推行然後包括這個\n34392\t49891\t品質 確保施工的品質等等我們公共工程委員會是肩負著很重責大任當然這些業務要順利的推動所以預算很重要我們看到就是說我們工程會在今年度的一個預算\n51452\t53773\t原本是編列了5億4163萬8千元那目前就是經過就是立法院大會的一個審議之後目前是確定已經被刪了1514萬3千元那凍結業務費1億3百\n69182\t84365\t03萬元嘛這是確定的嘛對不對那本席想請問一下就是說對這樣子的一個預算被煽動的一個結果對我們公共工程委員會今年度的業務的推行會有什麼樣的困難是不是可以請主委講一下\n85909\t100532\t謝謝委員主要兩部分就是凍結50%的部分是業務費雖然工程會預算不多但是工程會去控管的國家公共建設以今年度來講1億以上的控管就有7000多億\n101633\t127049\t所以我們這些業務費主要就是包括去去視察去看這個橋樑或審議基本設計等等很簡單的來講如果凍結一半的話那一半不知道什麼時候會解凍那相對的那7000多億將近8000例的公共建設我們就一半沒有辦法去督導啦那這是其一第二個比較嚴重的就是金職獎因為金職獎要報名金職獎的大概去年就在準備了那\n127529\t141545\t我們現在要發包了然後要通知業者他7月就開始來報名那我們就持續要去查核所以我們如果的預算剛才有說明凍結一半的話那後面\n142366\t164848\t我們包括出席審查出評賦評的委員都要給車馬費都要出席費不知道能不能付得出啦所以到底要不要辦我們現在還在等這個預算到底有沒有比較明確什麼時候可以解凍尤其凍結金的史無前例的是在院會來解凍那我們看了一些大院的議事規則\n166269\t188849\t院會來解凍這件事情好像還沒有潛力可循到底怎麼解凍我們都很難去有個遵循所以我們才評估說對工程會雖然預算不多那凍結53看起來不多但影響卻很大是那剛剛有委員詢問說你們工程會有沒有送出解凍案了\n191004\t211390\t那就是說我們大院要求我們執行預算30%以後才能夠提解凍可是今年的解凍跟過去不一樣以前我們在委員會就可以處理因為我們跟各位委員都比較熟平常業務也都說明所以基本上我們比較有\n212389\t229157\t有信心說在委員會來報告會獲得委員的支持但是在大院的院會就不一定比方說我們今年中央政府總預算在各委員會都已經談了差不多了刪多少凍結多少那機關也都我們也都同意了可是到院會去又突然會變卦\n229997\t234081\t對 其實我們看到這次工程會被凍結比例最高的就是業務費50%我們也看到這是國民黨黨團的一個提案他們的提案也綁了一個條件就是要執行30%之後 使得申請解凍\n252017\t271614\t那要送院會 所以這個其實也是史無前例的啦那何況說 上個禮拜四我們行政院的一個復議案才被否決嘛所以就是說 在這麼短的時間怎麼有可能說你們優務單位有可能提出這個解凍案所以我覺得這個真的是在誤導這個民眾\n273416\t291551\t那所以這個結果都是已經確定了當然就是造成了我們工程會沒有辦法的去對這個大型公共建設的這個發包的部分沒有辦法去協助順利發包因為我們知道最近幾年就是很多的公共建設的案子流標的次數\n292511\t306280\t比例也比較高這個也是要透過我們工程會去協助檢討之後來協助順利發包這個也是關係到整個地方基礎建設是不是可以順利的一個推展的部分那包括這個爭議案件的一個審議就是有關採購的一個爭議也是要透過我們工程會來做一個審議跟協調這個也都是會影響到這個廠商跟整個業務單位相關的一個權益問題\n321889\t345404\t那最重要的就是有關這個技師跟顧問公司證照業務的一個推動這個也是一個很重大的影響嘛這部分我替主委補充一下這部分你剛剛沒有提到嘛這個對整個全國約三萬名技師跟一千多家顧問公司的權益也是會造成很重大的一個影響嘛是不是那還有一項就是金職獎的部分你剛剛有提到了那這個也很多委員剛剛都有這個在關心的\n348866\t364893\t那有關這個金職獎這個可以說號稱是工程界的奧斯卡獎嘛對不對那如果說這個預算業務費沒有辦法這個順利的解凍的話就是恐怕面臨停辦嘛是不是\n365843\t381749\t對 因為這個金指獎的期程比較長牽涉到很多家廠商他到底要不要報名或不報名都影響很大他要投入去準備所以我們希望有一個比較明確的能夠讓我們知道這個預算能不能用\n382369\t396795\t那可是呢他的困難度就是說這次是院會解凍那到底呢將來所有的這些院會解凍的案呢是各部會呢到院會裡去尋求解凍呢還是行政院一次去尋求解凍我們都還不知道那\n397975\t425592\t各部會向行政院來提解凍案呢還是行政院統包一次來向立法院來提解凍也都不知道那怎麼審查也都不知道那如果又陷入院會到時候又要去說明又要去表決那個都未定之天所以對我們來講造成很大的困難那請教一下這個金職獎對於工程界重不重要\n428116\t456307\t歷年金職獎已經辦了24屆了啦所以它有一定的品牌那也是工程品質的一個指標啦所以所有的公共工程的機關或成人廠商都很希望在他們努力之後他的品質獲得金職獎的肯定啦那這個金職獎肯定除了說將來他這個再去參與其他工程的評選的時候有加分或者是他的保固禮約等等可以\n457427\t486278\t可以減半等等這些優惠之外各界太重視這個金職獎了所以我們那個整個期程是很長啦不是說我可以這個先付款或不付款的問題那的確是需要大院能夠儘早能夠來幫忙所以金職獎對於這是就是工程界非常重視這個金職獎非常重視對所以如果停辦的話我想對整個工程界可能也是會造成很大的一個我們也會有很大的壓力啦就是如果停辦\n487018\t508305\t那工程界對我們也會有一定的不諒解所以我們一方面有這個壓力一方面有預算不知道在哪裡的這個困擾因為我們知道就是說透過金職獎我們可以就是透過廠商間的一個良性競爭然後也可以變成是大家一個經驗的一個分享那也是可以確保這個公共工程一個施工品質\n509065\t512707\t所以我覺得說這樣子的一個金職獎舉辦是很有意義的那何況又說這個金職獎是評定優良廠商的一個依據透過這樣子的一個評定也是可以讓這些優良廠商享有一定的一個優惠所以我們也是就是說對於這樣子金職獎因為業務費被這樣子大幅的一個凍結恐怕面臨\n532899\t551360\t停辦我們是覺得非常的一個遺憾那另外還有一個很重要的一個業務就是工程查核的一個部分那工程查核的這個經費雖然編列的數額也不是很大可是也是非常的重要那目前也是確定被刪減了七萬兩千元然後又被凍結了\n555843\t576309\t這個89萬就是超過了一半那對這個部分對我們這個公共工程有什麼樣的影響是不是請那個主委跟委員報告114年度的公共建設來講列管的一以上的就包括了七千大概七千七百多億所以我們這個查核才178萬凍結的話恐怕會造成連出去\n581030\t590164\t租車都沒有錢啦這個吃個便當可能這個業務費都沒辦法使用所以影響所及是那個7000多億的一半將近4000億受影響\n591124\t613764\t是所以我覺得說這個在野黨對於這個預算在審查的時候提這樣子的一個煽動案真的就是漠視這民眾的一個公共安全所以我們也是覺得非常的遺憾那我們也希望就是說工程會在當然就是在衡量我們預算的執行的情形的話也是盡量趕快來爭取這個解凍好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請主委好 陳主委\n委員長主委早安我們知道公共工程委員會是這個政府採購法還有計事法跟工程技術顧問公司管理條例的主管機關那對整個國家的這個公共建設的是不是能夠順利的發包推行然後包括這個\n品質 確保施工的品質等等我們公共工程委員會是肩負著很重責大任當然這些業務要順利的推動所以預算很重要我們看到就是說我們工程會在今年度的一個預算\n原本是編列了5億4163萬8千元那目前就是經過就是立法院大會的一個審議之後目前是確定已經被刪了1514萬3千元那凍結業務費1億3百\n03萬元嘛這是確定的嘛對不對那本席想請問一下就是說對這樣子的一個預算被煽動的一個結果對我們公共工程委員會今年度的業務的推行會有什麼樣的困難是不是可以請主委講一下\n謝謝委員主要兩部分就是凍結50%的部分是業務費雖然工程會預算不多但是工程會去控管的國家公共建設以今年度來講1億以上的控管就有7000多億\n所以我們這些業務費主要就是包括去去視察去看這個橋樑或審議基本設計等等很簡單的來講如果凍結一半的話那一半不知道什麼時候會解凍那相對的那7000多億將近8000例的公共建設我們就一半沒有辦法去督導啦那這是其一第二個比較嚴重的就是金職獎因為金職獎要報名金職獎的大概去年就在準備了那\n我們現在要發包了然後要通知業者他7月就開始來報名那我們就持續要去查核所以我們如果的預算剛才有說明凍結一半的話那後面\n我們包括出席審查出評賦評的委員都要給車馬費都要出席費不知道能不能付得出啦所以到底要不要辦我們現在還在等這個預算到底有沒有比較明確什麼時候可以解凍尤其凍結金的史無前例的是在院會來解凍那我們看了一些大院的議事規則\n院會來解凍這件事情好像還沒有潛力可循到底怎麼解凍我們都很難去有個遵循所以我們才評估說對工程會雖然預算不多那凍結53看起來不多但影響卻很大是那剛剛有委員詢問說你們工程會有沒有送出解凍案了\n那就是說我們大院要求我們執行預算30%以後才能夠提解凍可是今年的解凍跟過去不一樣以前我們在委員會就可以處理因為我們跟各位委員都比較熟平常業務也都說明所以基本上我們比較有\n有信心說在委員會來報告會獲得委員的支持但是在大院的院會就不一定比方說我們今年中央政府總預算在各委員會都已經談了差不多了刪多少凍結多少那機關也都我們也都同意了可是到院會去又突然會變卦\n對 其實我們看到這次工程會被凍結比例最高的就是業務費50%我們也看到這是國民黨黨團的一個提案他們的提案也綁了一個條件就是要執行30%之後 使得申請解凍\n那要送院會 所以這個其實也是史無前例的啦那何況說 上個禮拜四我們行政院的一個復議案才被否決嘛所以就是說 在這麼短的時間怎麼有可能說你們優務單位有可能提出這個解凍案所以我覺得這個真的是在誤導這個民眾\n那所以這個結果都是已經確定了當然就是造成了我們工程會沒有辦法的去對這個大型公共建設的這個發包的部分沒有辦法去協助順利發包因為我們知道最近幾年就是很多的公共建設的案子流標的次數\n比例也比較高這個也是要透過我們工程會去協助檢討之後來協助順利發包這個也是關係到整個地方基礎建設是不是可以順利的一個推展的部分那包括這個爭議案件的一個審議就是有關採購的一個爭議也是要透過我們工程會來做一個審議跟協調這個也都是會影響到這個廠商跟整個業務單位相關的一個權益問題\n那最重要的就是有關這個技師跟顧問公司證照業務的一個推動這個也是一個很重大的影響嘛這部分我替主委補充一下這部分你剛剛沒有提到嘛這個對整個全國約三萬名技師跟一千多家顧問公司的權益也是會造成很重大的一個影響嘛是不是那還有一項就是金職獎的部分你剛剛有提到了那這個也很多委員剛剛都有這個在關心的\n那有關這個金職獎這個可以說號稱是工程界的奧斯卡獎嘛對不對那如果說這個預算業務費沒有辦法這個順利的解凍的話就是恐怕面臨停辦嘛是不是\n對 因為這個金指獎的期程比較長牽涉到很多家廠商他到底要不要報名或不報名都影響很大他要投入去準備所以我們希望有一個比較明確的能夠讓我們知道這個預算能不能用\n那可是呢他的困難度就是說這次是院會解凍那到底呢將來所有的這些院會解凍的案呢是各部會呢到院會裡去尋求解凍呢還是行政院一次去尋求解凍我們都還不知道那\n各部會向行政院來提解凍案呢還是行政院統包一次來向立法院來提解凍也都不知道那怎麼審查也都不知道那如果又陷入院會到時候又要去說明又要去表決那個都未定之天所以對我們來講造成很大的困難那請教一下這個金職獎對於工程界重不重要\n歷年金職獎已經辦了24屆了啦所以它有一定的品牌那也是工程品質的一個指標啦所以所有的公共工程的機關或成人廠商都很希望在他們努力之後他的品質獲得金職獎的肯定啦那這個金職獎肯定除了說將來他這個再去參與其他工程的評選的時候有加分或者是他的保固禮約等等可以\n可以減半等等這些優惠之外各界太重視這個金職獎了所以我們那個整個期程是很長啦不是說我可以這個先付款或不付款的問題那的確是需要大院能夠儘早能夠來幫忙所以金職獎對於這是就是工程界非常重視這個金職獎非常重視對所以如果停辦的話我想對整個工程界可能也是會造成很大的一個我們也會有很大的壓力啦就是如果停辦\n那工程界對我們也會有一定的不諒解所以我們一方面有這個壓力一方面有預算不知道在哪裡的這個困擾因為我們知道就是說透過金職獎我們可以就是透過廠商間的一個良性競爭然後也可以變成是大家一個經驗的一個分享那也是可以確保這個公共工程一個施工品質\n所以我覺得說這樣子的一個金職獎舉辦是很有意義的那何況又說這個金職獎是評定優良廠商的一個依據透過這樣子的一個評定也是可以讓這些優良廠商享有一定的一個優惠所以我們也是就是說對於這樣子金職獎因為業務費被這樣子大幅的一個凍結恐怕面臨\n停辦我們是覺得非常的一個遺憾那另外還有一個很重要的一個業務就是工程查核的一個部分那工程查核的這個經費雖然編列的數額也不是很大可是也是非常的重要那目前也是確定被刪減了七萬兩千元然後又被凍結了\n這個89萬就是超過了一半那對這個部分對我們這個公共工程有什麼樣的影響是不是請那個主委跟委員報告114年度的公共建設來講列管的一以上的就包括了七千大概七千七百多億所以我們這個查核才178萬凍結的話恐怕會造成連出去\n租車都沒有錢啦這個吃個便當可能這個業務費都沒辦法使用所以影響所及是那個7000多億的一半將近4000億受影響\n是所以我覺得說這個在野黨對於這個預算在審查的時候提這樣子的一個煽動案真的就是漠視這民眾的一個公共安全所以我們也是覺得非常的遺憾那我們也希望就是說工程會在當然就是在衡量我們預算的執行的情形的話也是盡量趕快來爭取這個解凍好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.338 --> 00:07.529\n謝謝主席請主席邀請主委好陳主委\n\n00:13.680 --> 00:33.291\n委員長主委早安我們知道公共工程委員會是這個政府採購法還有計事法跟工程技術顧問公司管理條例的主管機關那對整個國家的這個公共建設的是不是能夠順利的發包推行然後包括這個\n\n00:34.392 --> 00:49.891\n品質確保施工的品質等等我們公共工程委員會是肩負著很重責大任當然這些業務要順利的推動所以預算很重要我們看到就是說我們工程會在今年度的一個預算\n\n00:51.452 --> 00:53.773\n原本是編列了5億4163萬8千元那目前就是經過就是立法院大會的一個審議之後目前是確定已經被刪了1514萬3千元那凍結業務費1億3百\n\n01:09.182 --> 01:24.365\n03萬元嘛這是確定的嘛對不對那本席想請問一下就是說對這樣子的一個預算被煽動的一個結果對我們公共工程委員會今年度的業務的推行會有什麼樣的困難是不是可以請主委講一下\n\n01:25.909 --> 01:40.532\n謝謝委員主要兩部分就是凍結50%的部分是業務費雖然工程會預算不多但是工程會去控管的國家公共建設以今年度來講1億以上的控管就有7000多億\n\n01:41.633 --> 02:07.049\n所以我們這些業務費主要就是包括去去視察去看這個橋樑或審議基本設計等等很簡單的來講如果凍結一半的話那一半不知道什麼時候會解凍那相對的那7000多億將近8000例的公共建設我們就一半沒有辦法去督導啦那這是其一第二個比較嚴重的就是金職獎因為金職獎要報名金職獎的大概去年就在準備了那\n\n02:07.529 --> 02:21.545\n我們現在要發包了然後要通知業者他7月就開始來報名那我們就持續要去查核所以我們如果的預算剛才有說明凍結一半的話那後面\n\n02:22.366 --> 02:44.848\n我們包括出席審查出評賦評的委員都要給車馬費都要出席費不知道能不能付得出啦所以到底要不要辦我們現在還在等這個預算到底有沒有比較明確什麼時候可以解凍尤其凍結金的史無前例的是在院會來解凍那我們看了一些大院的議事規則\n\n02:46.269 --> 03:08.849\n院會來解凍這件事情好像還沒有潛力可循到底怎麼解凍我們都很難去有個遵循所以我們才評估說對工程會雖然預算不多那凍結53看起來不多但影響卻很大是那剛剛有委員詢問說你們工程會有沒有送出解凍案了\n\n03:11.004 --> 03:31.390\n那就是說我們大院要求我們執行預算30%以後才能夠提解凍可是今年的解凍跟過去不一樣以前我們在委員會就可以處理因為我們跟各位委員都比較熟平常業務也都說明所以基本上我們比較有\n\n03:32.389 --> 03:49.157\n有信心說在委員會來報告會獲得委員的支持但是在大院的院會就不一定比方說我們今年中央政府總預算在各委員會都已經談了差不多了刪多少凍結多少那機關也都我們也都同意了可是到院會去又突然會變卦\n\n03:49.997 --> 03:54.081\n對其實我們看到這次工程會被凍結比例最高的就是業務費50%我們也看到這是國民黨黨團的一個提案他們的提案也綁了一個條件就是要執行30%之後使得申請解凍\n\n04:12.017 --> 04:31.614\n那要送院會所以這個其實也是史無前例的啦那何況說上個禮拜四我們行政院的一個復議案才被否決嘛所以就是說在這麼短的時間怎麼有可能說你們優務單位有可能提出這個解凍案所以我覺得這個真的是在誤導這個民眾\n\n04:33.416 --> 04:51.551\n那所以這個結果都是已經確定了當然就是造成了我們工程會沒有辦法的去對這個大型公共建設的這個發包的部分沒有辦法去協助順利發包因為我們知道最近幾年就是很多的公共建設的案子流標的次數\n\n04:52.511 --> 05:06.280\n比例也比較高這個也是要透過我們工程會去協助檢討之後來協助順利發包這個也是關係到整個地方基礎建設是不是可以順利的一個推展的部分那包括這個爭議案件的一個審議就是有關採購的一個爭議也是要透過我們工程會來做一個審議跟協調這個也都是會影響到這個廠商跟整個業務單位相關的一個權益問題\n\n05:21.889 --> 05:45.404\n那最重要的就是有關這個技師跟顧問公司證照業務的一個推動這個也是一個很重大的影響嘛這部分我替主委補充一下這部分你剛剛沒有提到嘛這個對整個全國約三萬名技師跟一千多家顧問公司的權益也是會造成很重大的一個影響嘛是不是那還有一項就是金職獎的部分你剛剛有提到了那這個也很多委員剛剛都有這個在關心的\n\n05:48.866 --> 06:04.893\n那有關這個金職獎這個可以說號稱是工程界的奧斯卡獎嘛對不對那如果說這個預算業務費沒有辦法這個順利的解凍的話就是恐怕面臨停辦嘛是不是\n\n06:05.843 --> 06:21.749\n對因為這個金指獎的期程比較長牽涉到很多家廠商他到底要不要報名或不報名都影響很大他要投入去準備所以我們希望有一個比較明確的能夠讓我們知道這個預算能不能用\n\n06:22.369 --> 06:36.795\n那可是呢他的困難度就是說這次是院會解凍那到底呢將來所有的這些院會解凍的案呢是各部會呢到院會裡去尋求解凍呢還是行政院一次去尋求解凍我們都還不知道那\n\n06:37.975 --> 07:05.592\n各部會向行政院來提解凍案呢還是行政院統包一次來向立法院來提解凍也都不知道那怎麼審查也都不知道那如果又陷入院會到時候又要去說明又要去表決那個都未定之天所以對我們來講造成很大的困難那請教一下這個金職獎對於工程界重不重要\n\n07:08.116 --> 07:36.307\n歷年金職獎已經辦了24屆了啦所以它有一定的品牌那也是工程品質的一個指標啦所以所有的公共工程的機關或成人廠商都很希望在他們努力之後他的品質獲得金職獎的肯定啦那這個金職獎肯定除了說將來他這個再去參與其他工程的評選的時候有加分或者是他的保固禮約等等可以\n\n07:37.427 --> 08:06.278\n可以減半等等這些優惠之外各界太重視這個金職獎了所以我們那個整個期程是很長啦不是說我可以這個先付款或不付款的問題那的確是需要大院能夠儘早能夠來幫忙所以金職獎對於這是就是工程界非常重視這個金職獎非常重視對所以如果停辦的話我想對整個工程界可能也是會造成很大的一個我們也會有很大的壓力啦就是如果停辦\n\n08:07.018 --> 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