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00:02:57,319\n我們現在其實有在鼓勵我們的學界在研發相關的這個技術希望能夠用AI來提升我們的這個治安的能力那對於這個防堵假訊息去辨識跟防堵這部分其實國科會跟數碼部也會密切的合作相關的這個預算編列我們也會協助那未來這個AI的研究我們希望從目前台德是以國科會為主\n\n10\n00:02:59,881 --> 00:03:21,054\n我們今年的台德計畫放到國網中心我們的重點就是要建立平台讓各式各樣的應用能夠基於我們台德所建立的基礎能夠發展出來接下來我們希望把模型的研究的主力能夠擴散到學界到產業界\n\n11\n00:03:23,075 --> 00:03:41,409\n以及到這個中央研究院能夠擴散開來讓它能夠加速那剛剛委員提到的這個包含國家安全相關的我們在機器人在低軌衛星在無人機我們也都投入相對的這個資源也在加速的發展好\n\n12\n00:03:42,931 --> 00:03:47,277\n再來我想跟你談一談我們的科技預算因為上個會期總預算的審查之亂許多部會關鍵預算遭到藍白兩黨無差別的動感\n\n13\n00:03:58,291 --> 00:04:23,156\n那我想國科會有回覆本辦公室說通案刪減的預算將影響以投入佈局的一些基礎科研跟精創人工智慧等等那至於二十案的凍結案那也將會推遲我國科研在世界版圖的搶先佈局那可能導致我國科技會落後一些競爭國家\n\n14\n00:04:24,896 --> 00:04:32,965\n那產業及科技的人才斷層還有不利產業轉型並造成經濟衰退的風險那本席針對這個預算的影響主要進行幾點的關心首先我國現在的半導體跟\n\n15\n00:04:42,054 --> 00:04:54,506\n晶片的產業如何受到預算通商的影響那是不是會使主委你宣示的AI產業化產業AI化會受到推遲主委\n\n16\n00:04:55,441 --> 00:05:16,814\n今年我們的預算剛剛其實召委有補充說到我們這個決算數就立法院審完這個決算數跟去年相比大約增加了100億但是這個100億就是在我們新體的還有像太空科技等等很多地方是非常重要大家也都知道是必須要提升\n\n17\n00:05:17,774 --> 00:05:31,839\n那我們也非常感謝教文委員會所有的委員的支持沒有砍更多啦但是剛剛委員提到說財化法是我比較憂心的因為\n\n18\n00:05:33,099 --> 00:05:56,905\n財務法如果執行的話,那將來其實我也覺得行政院可能會非常的為難如果要保障國防預算,那是不是要保障科技預算可是我們的衛福預算,我們的長照也是迫切需要錢那我們的這個資安的部分,速發部經費也是被大砍\n\n19\n00:05:58,645 --> 00:06:18,715\n那將來在財務法的修正的狀況之下幾乎沒有一個部會它可以說不受影響這是其實對行政來講是非常為難那國科會也很難在這種狀況之下說希望政府其他的東西就盡量砍不要砍我的科技預算我也很難這樣去\n\n20\n00:06:19,815 --> 00:06:39,714\n去幫我們整個這個學界來捍衛這樣的預算所以我還是期待我們的財務法修正案能夠有機會能夠調整調整回我們原來規劃的對因為主委還蠻重要的是因為科技的研發跟應用其實是需要大量跟外國交流的領域\n\n21\n00:06:40,515 --> 00:07:05,172\n那我們也可以看到國科會其實我們幾乎每個月都有派團去跟外國的單位進行交流那藉由交流來提升我們彼此的科學研發技術可是在業務費遭到這個所謂的統三之後那是否這個會降低我們跟外國交流的頻率那導致我們台灣的科研在國際上沒有辦法佔有一席之地這部分你不擔憂嗎還是有什麼因應之道\n\n22\n00:07:09,511 --> 00:07:29,321\n我們當然是擔憂啦但是相對來講在國科會被刪減的幅度沒有那麼大狀況之下我們會盡量用邀請國外的合作對象到台灣來的方式來支應這一部分的需求\n\n23\n00:07:31,016 --> 00:07:33,378\n談到國外的交流剛剛您回答秀寶委員的部分捷克我們本來要佈局一個精創核基地現在改成研究導向\n\n24\n00:07:45,652 --> 00:08:01,358\n那我請教主委這個政策的調整的利益在哪裡那我們希望達到什麼樣的成效那同時自從這個研究辦公室啟用開始之後那目前到底執行上有展現什麼樣的成果這部分是不是請主委說明一下\n\n25\n00:08:01,878 --> 00:08:15,854\n我剛剛有說明說我們原來那個辦公室成立是以台灣的這個教學的人力去支援友好國家在半導體的這個教育但是台灣的人力資源已經非常不足所以其實是沒有能力\n\n26\n00:08:16,755 --> 00:08:34,853\n去支援很多的國家協助他們在這方面的教育而且呢其實半導體的領域的這個教育也不是說這些國家他們不能做他們的目標其實只是想要鏈接台灣的製造的能力所以以這一點來講我就修正了我們的這個政策的做法\n\n27\n00:08:35,833 --> 00:09:00,892\n那我們的半導體的這個製造佈局在美國在歐洲歐洲就是現在是德國在日本其實是在協助當地能夠把他們的這個製造能力再提升上來但是這個過程當中我們也希望能夠對我們有利對我們有利的方法就是說一方面協助我們的廠商在當地能夠有更多的人力的資源可以使用第二個就是說希望\n\n28\n00:09:02,374 --> 00:09:24,348\n技術水準的提升不是只有在台灣閉門造區透過因為台積電的關係我們可以跟這些國家來合作做先進製程相關技術的研究前瞻的研究也可以提升我們自己的技術當我們未來在台灣在建立我們的先進製程的發展的時候會更為有利所以我就調整了這樣的策略\n\n29\n00:09:25,729 --> 00:09:28,870\n傑克理工大學副校長在中央社的專訪中特別提到雙邊合作面臨挑戰包括資金模式建立、研究項目選擇、如何平衡學術與產業需求等等請問他為什麼會提出這些問題?\n\n30\n00:09:47,277 --> 00:09:51,861\n他們當然是希望說台灣能夠付出多一點那我們的確有編列相關的預算這個問題現在其實已經解決了也就是說他現在其實很滿意如果現在去問他他應該很滿意了\n\n31\n00:10:02,029 --> 00:10:28,427\n另外最後請教主委本席有看到我們國科會對於台灣原住民的研究有投入相當的程度也補助很多的研究涵蓋人文自然跟生科的領域但是有關於原住民知識體系保存的運作其實我們可以多加利用數位保存的工法所以請教主委能夠加強台灣原住民各種知識體系的數位保存嗎\n\n32\n00:10:32,829 --> 00:10:52,720\n好,謝謝林委員,我覺得這個想法很好,那我願意支持,如果說我們原住民的學界或者是我們一般學界的學者願意來研究,來支持這個原住民的文物的保存利用這個數位化,用AI來做這個整理,來做資料的保存跟應用,我們都會非常支持\n\n33\n00:10:53,080 --> 00:11:11,050\n好那也要拜託主委我自己的選區有新化有西拉雅的聚落所以西拉雅族群也想請您替我發聲替西拉雅發聲就是說做這個研究的時候是不是也投入平埔族原住民的研究\n\n34\n00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:21,577\n好,謝謝林委員,這一點我們會把他納進來,應該沒問題好,謝謝主委謝謝林委員謝謝林警召委,謝謝吳主委請回座,我想接下來我們就休息五分鐘,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3406\t6851\t謝主席 有請吳主委吳主委 被質詢 謝謝林委員好主委好\n14817\t41636\t賴總統在上個禮拜的公開談話中他有強調說為了強化國安與因應統戰威脅尤其是面對中國日益最嚴重的網路攻擊那相關的主管機關應採取積極的有效作為防止中國透過網路應用程式AI等工具對台灣進行認知作戰及危害的治安那\n42376\t47663\t國科會作為我國推動這個科技發展的主管機關我想針對我國諸多的關鍵的基礎設施以及這個國家核心關鍵的技術我們應該要進行相對應的防務作業\n58656\t78094\t並且跟速發部來合作推動資安的學術研究落實資安的跨域聯防除了可以防止中國竊取我國關鍵技術的機密當然也要防禦任何形式的資安威脅再來我們來看這則新聞法新社報導\n79675\t95402\t俄國的假訊息陣大量的混入西方的AI系統那藉由各個大型的語言模型灌注大量支持克里姆尼宮的假資訊來扭曲這個聊天機器人產生的內容從而在全國散播這種驚惡的言論\n97543\t117275\t那本席認為我們如果來看兩岸的資訊戰的狀況三部甲訊息影響AI這種狀況不可能不會發生而且極有可能已經相關的網路攻擊在進行所謂的污染台灣人民使用AI這種情形所以綜合以上的這個資訊 諸位\n119036\t139372\t上個禮拜總統的談話是否已經收到要進行關鍵基礎設施加強防護還是說國家資安防禦總檢討的指示還是說又或者國科會已經在從事什麼樣的防禦工作另外有關我國要開發AI的\n143095\t149229\t對話模型 TIDE那是否有機制來防堵假訊息去影響這個 TIDE 的產出 主委\n151158\t177319\t我們現在其實有在鼓勵我們的學界在研發相關的這個技術希望能夠用AI來提升我們的這個治安的能力那對於這個防堵假訊息去辨識跟防堵這部分其實國科會跟數碼部也會密切的合作相關的這個預算編列我們也會協助那未來這個AI的研究我們希望從目前台德是以國科會為主\n179881\t201054\t我們今年的台德計畫放到國網中心我們的重點就是要建立平台讓各式各樣的應用能夠基於我們台德所建立的基礎能夠發展出來接下來我們希望把模型的研究的主力能夠擴散到學界到產業界\n203075\t221409\t以及到這個中央研究院能夠擴散開來讓它能夠加速那剛剛委員提到的這個包含國家安全相關的我們在機器人在低軌衛星在無人機我們也都投入相對的這個資源也在加速的發展好\n222931\t227277\t再來我想跟你談一談我們的科技預算因為上個會期總預算的審查之亂許多部會關鍵預算遭到藍白兩黨無差別的動感\n238291\t263156\t那我想國科會有回覆本辦公室說通案刪減的預算將影響以投入佈局的一些基礎科研跟精創人工智慧等等那至於二十案的凍結案那也將會推遲我國科研在世界版圖的搶先佈局那可能導致我國科技會落後一些競爭國家\n264896\t272965\t那產業及科技的人才斷層還有不利產業轉型並造成經濟衰退的風險那本席針對這個預算的影響主要進行幾點的關心首先我國現在的半導體跟\n282054\t294506\t晶片的產業如何受到預算通商的影響那是不是會使主委你宣示的AI產業化產業AI化會受到推遲 主委\n295441\t316814\t今年我們的預算剛剛其實召委有補充說到我們這個決算數就立法院審完這個決算數跟去年相比大約增加了100億但是這個100億就是在我們新體的還有像太空科技等等很多地方是非常重要大家也都知道是必須要提升\n317774\t331839\t那我們也非常感謝教文委員會所有的委員的支持沒有砍更多啦但是剛剛委員提到說財化法是我比較憂心的因為\n333099\t356905\t財務法如果執行的話,那將來其實我也覺得行政院可能會非常的為難如果要保障國防預算,那是不是要保障科技預算可是我們的衛福預算,我們的長照也是迫切需要錢那我們的這個資安的部分,速發部經費也是被大砍\n358645\t378715\t那將來在財務法的修正的狀況之下幾乎沒有一個部會它可以說不受影響這是其實對行政來講是非常為難那國科會也很難在這種狀況之下說希望政府其他的東西就盡量砍不要砍我的科技預算我也很難這樣去\n379815\t399714\t去幫我們整個這個學界來捍衛這樣的預算所以我還是期待我們的財務法修正案能夠有機會能夠調整調整回我們原來規劃的對 因為主委還蠻重要的是因為科技的研發跟應用其實是需要大量跟外國交流的領域\n400515\t425172\t那我們也可以看到國科會其實我們幾乎每個月都有派團去跟外國的單位進行交流那藉由交流來提升我們彼此的科學研發技術可是在業務費遭到這個所謂的統三之後那是否這個會降低我們跟外國交流的頻率那導致我們台灣的科研在國際上沒有辦法佔有一席之地這部分你不擔憂嗎還是有什麼因應之道\n429511\t449321\t我們當然是擔憂啦但是相對來講在國科會被刪減的幅度沒有那麼大狀況之下我們會盡量用邀請國外的合作對象到台灣來的方式來支應這一部分的需求\n451016\t453378\t談到國外的交流 剛剛您回答秀寶委員的部分捷克我們本來要佈局一個精創核基地現在改成研究導向\n465652\t481358\t那我請教主委這個政策的調整的利益在哪裡那我們希望達到什麼樣的成效那同時自從這個研究辦公室啟用開始之後那目前到底執行上有展現什麼樣的成果這部分是不是請主委說明一下\n481878\t495854\t我剛剛有說明說我們原來那個辦公室成立是以台灣的這個教學的人力去支援友好國家在半導體的這個教育但是台灣的人力資源已經非常不足所以其實是沒有能力\n496755\t514853\t去支援很多的國家協助他們在這方面的教育而且呢其實半導體的領域的這個教育也不是說這些國家他們不能做他們的目標其實只是想要鏈接台灣的製造的能力所以以這一點來講我就修正了我們的這個政策的做法\n515833\t540892\t那我們的半導體的這個製造佈局在美國在歐洲歐洲就是現在是德國在日本其實是在協助當地能夠把他們的這個製造能力再提升上來但是這個過程當中我們也希望能夠對我們有利對我們有利的方法就是說一方面協助我們的廠商在當地能夠有更多的人力的資源可以使用第二個就是說希望\n542374\t564348\t技術水準的提升不是只有在台灣閉門造區透過因為台積電的關係我們可以跟這些國家來合作做先進製程相關技術的研究前瞻的研究也可以提升我們自己的技術當我們未來在台灣在建立我們的先進製程的發展的時候會更為有利所以我就調整了這樣的策略\n565729\t568870\t傑克理工大學副校長在中央社的專訪中特別提到雙邊合作面臨挑戰包括資金模式建立、研究項目選擇、如何平衡學術與產業需求等等請問他為什麼會提出這些問題?\n587277\t591861\t他們當然是希望說台灣能夠付出多一點那我們的確有編列相關的預算這個問題現在其實已經解決了也就是說他現在其實很滿意如果現在去問他他應該很滿意了\n602029\t628427\t另外最後請教主委本席有看到我們國科會對於台灣原住民的研究有投入相當的程度也補助很多的研究涵蓋人文 自然跟生科的領域但是有關於原住民知識體系保存的運作其實我們可以多加利用數位保存的工法所以請教主委能夠加強台灣原住民各種知識體系的數位保存嗎\n632829\t652720\t好,謝謝林委員,我覺得這個想法很好,那我願意支持,如果說我們原住民的學界或者是我們一般學界的學者願意來研究,來支持這個原住民的文物的保存利用這個數位化,用AI來做這個整理,來做資料的保存跟應用,我們都會非常支持\n653080\t671050\t好 那也要拜託主委我自己的選區有新化有西拉雅的聚落所以西拉雅族群也想請您替我發聲替西拉雅發聲就是說做這個研究的時候是不是也投入平埔族原住民的研究\n671910\t681577\t好,謝謝林委員,這一點我們會把他納進來,應該沒問題好,謝謝主委謝謝林委員謝謝林警召委,謝謝吳主委請回座,我想接下來我們就休息五分鐘,謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席 有請吳主委吳主委 被質詢 謝謝林委員好主委好\n賴總統在上個禮拜的公開談話中他有強調說為了強化國安與因應統戰威脅尤其是面對中國日益最嚴重的網路攻擊那相關的主管機關應採取積極的有效作為防止中國透過網路應用程式AI等工具對台灣進行認知作戰及危害的治安那\n國科會作為我國推動這個科技發展的主管機關我想針對我國諸多的關鍵的基礎設施以及這個國家核心關鍵的技術我們應該要進行相對應的防務作業\n並且跟速發部來合作推動資安的學術研究落實資安的跨域聯防除了可以防止中國竊取我國關鍵技術的機密當然也要防禦任何形式的資安威脅再來我們來看這則新聞法新社報導\n俄國的假訊息陣大量的混入西方的AI系統那藉由各個大型的語言模型灌注大量支持克里姆尼宮的假資訊來扭曲這個聊天機器人產生的內容從而在全國散播這種驚惡的言論\n那本席認為我們如果來看兩岸的資訊戰的狀況三部甲訊息影響AI這種狀況不可能不會發生而且極有可能已經相關的網路攻擊在進行所謂的污染台灣人民使用AI這種情形所以綜合以上的這個資訊 諸位\n上個禮拜總統的談話是否已經收到要進行關鍵基礎設施加強防護還是說國家資安防禦總檢討的指示還是說又或者國科會已經在從事什麼樣的防禦工作另外有關我國要開發AI的\n對話模型 TIDE那是否有機制來防堵假訊息去影響這個 TIDE 的產出 主委\n我們現在其實有在鼓勵我們的學界在研發相關的這個技術希望能夠用AI來提升我們的這個治安的能力那對於這個防堵假訊息去辨識跟防堵這部分其實國科會跟數碼部也會密切的合作相關的這個預算編列我們也會協助那未來這個AI的研究我們希望從目前台德是以國科會為主\n我們今年的台德計畫放到國網中心我們的重點就是要建立平台讓各式各樣的應用能夠基於我們台德所建立的基礎能夠發展出來接下來我們希望把模型的研究的主力能夠擴散到學界到產業界\n以及到這個中央研究院能夠擴散開來讓它能夠加速那剛剛委員提到的這個包含國家安全相關的我們在機器人在低軌衛星在無人機我們也都投入相對的這個資源也在加速的發展好\n再來我想跟你談一談我們的科技預算因為上個會期總預算的審查之亂許多部會關鍵預算遭到藍白兩黨無差別的動感\n那我想國科會有回覆本辦公室說通案刪減的預算將影響以投入佈局的一些基礎科研跟精創人工智慧等等那至於二十案的凍結案那也將會推遲我國科研在世界版圖的搶先佈局那可能導致我國科技會落後一些競爭國家\n那產業及科技的人才斷層還有不利產業轉型並造成經濟衰退的風險那本席針對這個預算的影響主要進行幾點的關心首先我國現在的半導體跟\n晶片的產業如何受到預算通商的影響那是不是會使主委你宣示的AI產業化產業AI化會受到推遲 主委\n今年我們的預算剛剛其實召委有補充說到我們這個決算數就立法院審完這個決算數跟去年相比大約增加了100億但是這個100億就是在我們新體的還有像太空科技等等很多地方是非常重要大家也都知道是必須要提升\n那我們也非常感謝教文委員會所有的委員的支持沒有砍更多啦但是剛剛委員提到說財化法是我比較憂心的因為\n財務法如果執行的話,那將來其實我也覺得行政院可能會非常的為難如果要保障國防預算,那是不是要保障科技預算可是我們的衛福預算,我們的長照也是迫切需要錢那我們的這個資安的部分,速發部經費也是被大砍\n那將來在財務法的修正的狀況之下幾乎沒有一個部會它可以說不受影響這是其實對行政來講是非常為難那國科會也很難在這種狀況之下說希望政府其他的東西就盡量砍不要砍我的科技預算我也很難這樣去\n去幫我們整個這個學界來捍衛這樣的預算所以我還是期待我們的財務法修正案能夠有機會能夠調整調整回我們原來規劃的對 因為主委還蠻重要的是因為科技的研發跟應用其實是需要大量跟外國交流的領域\n那我們也可以看到國科會其實我們幾乎每個月都有派團去跟外國的單位進行交流那藉由交流來提升我們彼此的科學研發技術可是在業務費遭到這個所謂的統三之後那是否這個會降低我們跟外國交流的頻率那導致我們台灣的科研在國際上沒有辦法佔有一席之地這部分你不擔憂嗎還是有什麼因應之道\n我們當然是擔憂啦但是相對來講在國科會被刪減的幅度沒有那麼大狀況之下我們會盡量用邀請國外的合作對象到台灣來的方式來支應這一部分的需求\n談到國外的交流 剛剛您回答秀寶委員的部分捷克我們本來要佈局一個精創核基地現在改成研究導向\n那我請教主委這個政策的調整的利益在哪裡那我們希望達到什麼樣的成效那同時自從這個研究辦公室啟用開始之後那目前到底執行上有展現什麼樣的成果這部分是不是請主委說明一下\n我剛剛有說明說我們原來那個辦公室成立是以台灣的這個教學的人力去支援友好國家在半導體的這個教育但是台灣的人力資源已經非常不足所以其實是沒有能力\n去支援很多的國家協助他們在這方面的教育而且呢其實半導體的領域的這個教育也不是說這些國家他們不能做他們的目標其實只是想要鏈接台灣的製造的能力所以以這一點來講我就修正了我們的這個政策的做法\n那我們的半導體的這個製造佈局在美國在歐洲歐洲就是現在是德國在日本其實是在協助當地能夠把他們的這個製造能力再提升上來但是這個過程當中我們也希望能夠對我們有利對我們有利的方法就是說一方面協助我們的廠商在當地能夠有更多的人力的資源可以使用第二個就是說希望\n技術水準的提升不是只有在台灣閉門造區透過因為台積電的關係我們可以跟這些國家來合作做先進製程相關技術的研究前瞻的研究也可以提升我們自己的技術當我們未來在台灣在建立我們的先進製程的發展的時候會更為有利所以我就調整了這樣的策略\n傑克理工大學副校長在中央社的專訪中特別提到雙邊合作面臨挑戰包括資金模式建立、研究項目選擇、如何平衡學術與產業需求等等請問他為什麼會提出這些問題?\n他們當然是希望說台灣能夠付出多一點那我們的確有編列相關的預算這個問題現在其實已經解決了也就是說他現在其實很滿意如果現在去問他他應該很滿意了\n另外最後請教主委本席有看到我們國科會對於台灣原住民的研究有投入相當的程度也補助很多的研究涵蓋人文 自然跟生科的領域但是有關於原住民知識體系保存的運作其實我們可以多加利用數位保存的工法所以請教主委能夠加強台灣原住民各種知識體系的數位保存嗎\n好,謝謝林委員,我覺得這個想法很好,那我願意支持,如果說我們原住民的學界或者是我們一般學界的學者願意來研究,來支持這個原住民的文物的保存利用這個數位化,用AI來做這個整理,來做資料的保存跟應用,我們都會非常支持\n好 那也要拜託主委我自己的選區有新化有西拉雅的聚落所以西拉雅族群也想請您替我發聲替西拉雅發聲就是說做這個研究的時候是不是也投入平埔族原住民的研究\n好,謝謝林委員,這一點我們會把他納進來,應該沒問題好,謝謝主委謝謝林委員謝謝林警召委,謝謝吳主委請回座,我想接下來我們就休息五分鐘,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.406 --> 00:06.851\n謝主席有請吳主委吳主委被質詢謝謝林委員好主委好\n\n00:14.817 --> 00:41.636\n賴總統在上個禮拜的公開談話中他有強調說為了強化國安與因應統戰威脅尤其是面對中國日益最嚴重的網路攻擊那相關的主管機關應採取積極的有效作為防止中國透過網路應用程式AI等工具對台灣進行認知作戰及危害的治安那\n\n00:42.376 --> 00:47.663\n國科會作為我國推動這個科技發展的主管機關我想針對我國諸多的關鍵的基礎設施以及這個國家核心關鍵的技術我們應該要進行相對應的防務作業\n\n00:58.656 --> 01:18.094\n並且跟速發部來合作推動資安的學術研究落實資安的跨域聯防除了可以防止中國竊取我國關鍵技術的機密當然也要防禦任何形式的資安威脅再來我們來看這則新聞法新社報導\n\n01:19.675 --> 01:35.402\n俄國的假訊息陣大量的混入西方的AI系統那藉由各個大型的語言模型灌注大量支持克里姆尼宮的假資訊來扭曲這個聊天機器人產生的內容從而在全國散播這種驚惡的言論\n\n01:37.543 --> 01:57.275\n那本席認為我們如果來看兩岸的資訊戰的狀況三部甲訊息影響AI這種狀況不可能不會發生而且極有可能已經相關的網路攻擊在進行所謂的污染台灣人民使用AI這種情形所以綜合以上的這個資訊諸位\n\n01:59.036 --> 02:19.372\n上個禮拜總統的談話是否已經收到要進行關鍵基礎設施加強防護還是說國家資安防禦總檢討的指示還是說又或者國科會已經在從事什麼樣的防禦工作另外有關我國要開發AI的\n\n02:23.095 --> 02:29.229\n對話模型TIDE那是否有機制來防堵假訊息去影響這個TIDE的產出主委\n\n02:31.158 --> 02:57.319\n我們現在其實有在鼓勵我們的學界在研發相關的這個技術希望能夠用AI來提升我們的這個治安的能力那對於這個防堵假訊息去辨識跟防堵這部分其實國科會跟數碼部也會密切的合作相關的這個預算編列我們也會協助那未來這個AI的研究我們希望從目前台德是以國科會為主\n\n02:59.881 --> 03:21.054\n我們今年的台德計畫放到國網中心我們的重點就是要建立平台讓各式各樣的應用能夠基於我們台德所建立的基礎能夠發展出來接下來我們希望把模型的研究的主力能夠擴散到學界到產業界\n\n03:23.075 --> 03:41.409\n以及到這個中央研究院能夠擴散開來讓它能夠加速那剛剛委員提到的這個包含國家安全相關的我們在機器人在低軌衛星在無人機我們也都投入相對的這個資源也在加速的發展好\n\n03:42.931 --> 03:47.277\n再來我想跟你談一談我們的科技預算因為上個會期總預算的審查之亂許多部會關鍵預算遭到藍白兩黨無差別的動感\n\n03:58.291 --> 04:23.156\n那我想國科會有回覆本辦公室說通案刪減的預算將影響以投入佈局的一些基礎科研跟精創人工智慧等等那至於二十案的凍結案那也將會推遲我國科研在世界版圖的搶先佈局那可能導致我國科技會落後一些競爭國家\n\n04:24.896 --> 04:32.965\n那產業及科技的人才斷層還有不利產業轉型並造成經濟衰退的風險那本席針對這個預算的影響主要進行幾點的關心首先我國現在的半導體跟\n\n04:42.054 --> 04:54.506\n晶片的產業如何受到預算通商的影響那是不是會使主委你宣示的AI產業化產業AI化會受到推遲主委\n\n04:55.441 --> 05:16.814\n今年我們的預算剛剛其實召委有補充說到我們這個決算數就立法院審完這個決算數跟去年相比大約增加了100億但是這個100億就是在我們新體的還有像太空科技等等很多地方是非常重要大家也都知道是必須要提升\n\n05:17.774 --> 05:31.839\n那我們也非常感謝教文委員會所有的委員的支持沒有砍更多啦但是剛剛委員提到說財化法是我比較憂心的因為\n\n05:33.099 --> 05:56.905\n財務法如果執行的話,那將來其實我也覺得行政院可能會非常的為難如果要保障國防預算,那是不是要保障科技預算可是我們的衛福預算,我們的長照也是迫切需要錢那我們的這個資安的部分,速發部經費也是被大砍\n\n05:58.645 --> 06:18.715\n那將來在財務法的修正的狀況之下幾乎沒有一個部會它可以說不受影響這是其實對行政來講是非常為難那國科會也很難在這種狀況之下說希望政府其他的東西就盡量砍不要砍我的科技預算我也很難這樣去\n\n06:19.815 --> 06:39.714\n去幫我們整個這個學界來捍衛這樣的預算所以我還是期待我們的財務法修正案能夠有機會能夠調整調整回我們原來規劃的對因為主委還蠻重要的是因為科技的研發跟應用其實是需要大量跟外國交流的領域\n\n06:40.515 --> 07:05.172\n那我們也可以看到國科會其實我們幾乎每個月都有派團去跟外國的單位進行交流那藉由交流來提升我們彼此的科學研發技術可是在業務費遭到這個所謂的統三之後那是否這個會降低我們跟外國交流的頻率那導致我們台灣的科研在國際上沒有辦法佔有一席之地這部分你不擔憂嗎還是有什麼因應之道\n\n07:09.511 --> 07:29.321\n我們當然是擔憂啦但是相對來講在國科會被刪減的幅度沒有那麼大狀況之下我們會盡量用邀請國外的合作對象到台灣來的方式來支應這一部分的需求\n\n07:31.016 --> 07:33.378\n談到國外的交流剛剛您回答秀寶委員的部分捷克我們本來要佈局一個精創核基地現在改成研究導向\n\n07:45.652 --> 08:01.358\n那我請教主委這個政策的調整的利益在哪裡那我們希望達到什麼樣的成效那同時自從這個研究辦公室啟用開始之後那目前到底執行上有展現什麼樣的成果這部分是不是請主委說明一下\n\n08:01.878 --> 08:15.854\n我剛剛有說明說我們原來那個辦公室成立是以台灣的這個教學的人力去支援友好國家在半導體的這個教育但是台灣的人力資源已經非常不足所以其實是沒有能力\n\n08:16.755 --> 08:34.853\n去支援很多的國家協助他們在這方面的教育而且呢其實半導體的領域的這個教育也不是說這些國家他們不能做他們的目標其實只是想要鏈接台灣的製造的能力所以以這一點來講我就修正了我們的這個政策的做法\n\n08:35.833 --> 09:00.892\n那我們的半導體的這個製造佈局在美國在歐洲歐洲就是現在是德國在日本其實是在協助當地能夠把他們的這個製造能力再提升上來但是這個過程當中我們也希望能夠對我們有利對我們有利的方法就是說一方面協助我們的廠商在當地能夠有更多的人力的資源可以使用第二個就是說希望\n\n09:02.374 --> 09:24.348\n技術水準的提升不是只有在台灣閉門造區透過因為台積電的關係我們可以跟這些國家來合作做先進製程相關技術的研究前瞻的研究也可以提升我們自己的技術當我們未來在台灣在建立我們的先進製程的發展的時候會更為有利所以我就調整了這樣的策略\n\n09:25.729 --> 09:28.870\n傑克理工大學副校長在中央社的專訪中特別提到雙邊合作面臨挑戰包括資金模式建立、研究項目選擇、如何平衡學術與產業需求等等請問他為什麼會提出這些問題?\n\n09:47.277 --> 09:51.861\n他們當然是希望說台灣能夠付出多一點那我們的確有編列相關的預算這個問題現在其實已經解決了也就是說他現在其實很滿意如果現在去問他他應該很滿意了\n\n10:02.029 --> 10:28.427\n另外最後請教主委本席有看到我們國科會對於台灣原住民的研究有投入相當的程度也補助很多的研究涵蓋人文自然跟生科的領域但是有關於原住民知識體系保存的運作其實我們可以多加利用數位保存的工法所以請教主委能夠加強台灣原住民各種知識體系的數位保存嗎\n\n10:32.829 --> 10:52.720\n好,謝謝林委員,我覺得這個想法很好,那我願意支持,如果說我們原住民的學界或者是我們一般學界的學者願意來研究,來支持這個原住民的文物的保存利用這個數位化,用AI來做這個整理,來做資料的保存跟應用,我們都會非常支持\n\n10:53.080 --> 11:11.050\n好那也要拜託主委我自己的選區有新化有西拉雅的聚落所以西拉雅族群也想請您替我發聲替西拉雅發聲就是說做這個研究的時候是不是也投入平埔族原住民的研究\n\n11:11.910 --> 11:21.577\n好,謝謝林委員,這一點我們會把他納進來,應該沒問題好,謝謝主委謝謝林委員謝謝林警召委,謝謝吳主委請回座,我想接下來我們就休息五分鐘,謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.406,"end":6.851,"text":"謝主席 有請吳主委吳主委 被質詢 謝謝林委員好主委好"},{"start":14.817,"end":41.636,"text":"賴總統在上個禮拜的公開談話中他有強調說為了強化國安與因應統戰威脅尤其是面對中國日益最嚴重的網路攻擊那相關的主管機關應採取積極的有效作為防止中國透過網路應用程式AI等工具對台灣進行認知作戰及危害的治安那"},{"start":42.376,"end":47.663,"text":"國科會作為我國推動這個科技發展的主管機關我想針對我國諸多的關鍵的基礎設施以及這個國家核心關鍵的技術我們應該要進行相對應的防務作業"},{"start":58.656,"end":78.094,"text":"並且跟速發部來合作推動資安的學術研究落實資安的跨域聯防除了可以防止中國竊取我國關鍵技術的機密當然也要防禦任何形式的資安威脅再來我們來看這則新聞法新社報導"},{"start":79.675,"end":95.402,"text":"俄國的假訊息陣大量的混入西方的AI系統那藉由各個大型的語言模型灌注大量支持克里姆尼宮的假資訊來扭曲這個聊天機器人產生的內容從而在全國散播這種驚惡的言論"},{"start":97.543,"end":117.275,"text":"那本席認為我們如果來看兩岸的資訊戰的狀況三部甲訊息影響AI這種狀況不可能不會發生而且極有可能已經相關的網路攻擊在進行所謂的污染台灣人民使用AI這種情形所以綜合以上的這個資訊 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