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--> 00:03:08,204\n尤其是醫院的部分能夠透過兩個部會來看如何有一些專案的改善或者是必須要做哪一些措施才能夠讓醫院的這個空氣品質也能夠達到一些我們所期待的標準那這部分不知道部長或者是基深這邊有沒有什麼意見想要來做報告\n\n10\n00:03:09,364 --> 00:03:34,878\n報告委員我先報告一下其實我們前一陣子去年跟委員報告我們主力徵集預算幫醫院做節能的部分當然我知道長庚醫院做的是最好的那有些醫院也在跟進當中那我們也也媒合了受險業者能夠來進行這個投資就結合ASCO在做那這個現在在進行當中希望很快的就有幾件案例可以成真那因為這個是公營的他需要這樣額外的資金很多私營的他都願意來做\n\n11\n00:03:36,119 --> 00:03:44,908\n當他做這個ASCO節能的時候其實這個空瓶就會跟著去改善因為這個其實是很好的一個理由那另外一個是醫療的部分我們是不是請衛福部來做報告\n\n12\n00:03:48,650 --> 00:04:15,897\n確實我們在醫院的部分我們有配合這個環境部這邊推動一些計畫所以我們也針對醫院進營的這個部分我們陸續有做一些相關的宣導跟推動相關的計畫所以這個都會牽扯到經費所以很期待兩個部會可以有更緊密的結合讓這個經費除了去做監測以外也能夠讓這些經費能夠落實到在不同的這個場域來進行改善\n\n13\n00:04:16,577 --> 00:04:33,714\n報告委員我們目前的經驗是民間的醫院私立的醫院做的反而比公立的醫院來得積極因為公立的醫院要編列經費然後他有預算上的編定的限制還要公開招標所以對於ASCO的限制相對的就會多一點點所以我們現在在突破這一點好\n\n14\n00:04:35,255 --> 00:04:57,615\n麻煩部長還有衛福這邊繼續努力謝謝那再下一個問題就是兒童醫院設立空品維護區的部分早上委員也有提過這個問題那目前我們了解在新竹有成立的最新的一家兒童醫院那目前已經全台有將近六到\n\n15\n00:04:58,115 --> 00:05:23,961\n即將成立甚至會到七家的兒童醫院那我們也了解這個兒童醫院大部分來就醫的當然都是以兒童為主那空氣品質維護區變成是一個很需要去發揮出來一個特定的區域那新竹市政府他們宣稱說新竹馬街的兒童醫院的發射呢是首次有這樣的這個要求讓這個品質可以更為穩定\n\n16\n00:05:26,042 --> 00:05:38,396\n將來有沒有機會所有的兒童醫院都有這樣的這個維護區的這個設立不知道目前環境部或者是我們的衛福部有沒有這樣的計畫\n\n17\n00:05:40,078 --> 00:06:07,946\n包括委員能夠讓這種所謂的弱勢族群或是很敏感的族群能夠保護這是我們的目標那目前全台灣大概21個縣市大概有85個公民維護區這個都是地方環保局來做制定的那其實有的效果還不錯所以我們現在其實或許委員我們今年度可能我們跟衛福部一起合作來針對一些這種兒童醫院我們先來試行討論看看那再跟委員做報告這個的確是一個很好的方法\n\n18\n00:06:08,286 --> 00:06:22,686\n是因為的確依照空污法第40條這是地方政府的要擬電區劃分出這個空氣品質維護區不過環境部是要核電才能夠公告所以我們希望是不是兩個部會\n\n19\n00:06:24,588 --> 00:06:42,362\n學童這個地方政府在三個月裡面給我們一個書面報告好我們看這個進度如何可以可以謝謝委員好那我們就麻煩繼續努力好那再過來就是有關你這個國中小附近的空屋的部分那這部分也麻煩那個教育部是不是有我們的官員在現場\n\n20\n00:06:44,524 --> 00:07:00,819\n當然早上委員也有人請教過這個國中小附近的這個空屋的部分是跟這個學校附近它的一些經濟發展或者是一些相關的這個工業或者是其他場區的\n\n21\n00:07:02,481 --> 00:07:14,667\n影響是有關係這個部分我們也看到有一些媒體發現說全台172家的國中或國小他的附近的工廠在近5年裡面有違規\n\n22\n00:07:16,485 --> 00:07:41,064\n違反公務法被這個裁法的規定那另外也注意到說這個工廠都相距不到500公尺那這部分將來如何針對這個可能影響的這些兒童們做長期健康的追蹤或者是在教育部目前有沒有哪一些方案在協助讓這樣的這個違規可以減少的同時對兒童的保護是有再加強的\n\n23\n00:07:42,212 --> 00:07:56,707\n跟委員報告一下我們部裡有那個健康處境方案那這部分我會請我們部裡的國教署來把這部分就是這172學校看是不是可以把它做一個長期的追蹤這部分我回去會請國教署來做一個處理謝謝委員關心這議題\n\n24\n00:08:00,210 --> 00:08:27,249\n報告委員其實這個東西因為台灣很地小人稠所以不是只有學校很多的民眾也住在工廠的旁邊所以這個問題應該是社區學校跟工廠之間要有一個更好的互動機制讓大家一起來改才有辦法那我們今年會努力找幾個案例來推看看因為其實有些地方我們看到有些地方經過大家的努力不是抗議啦是努力啦協調之後終於成功了\n\n25\n00:08:27,629 --> 00:08:48,824\n是我們其實是期待社區的各方面的能力可以加進來而不是說純粹用抗疫的方式去改善而已那最後一個問題就是有關於教室室內的品質空品的改善因為我們也知道這個教室裡面現在很多兒童包括是幼兒園或者是小學都會\n\n26\n00:08:50,458 --> 00:09:16,136\n大概很長的時間在教室裡面那台大醫院蘇教授他們也做了相關的研究發現說這個室內換氣不足的話呢在過去那個COVID那段時間其實真的是會影響這個新冠病毒這個傳染的風險而且高達三倍之多所以他們也建議說在這個室內的換氣的地方需要再加強除了說這個室內的一些\n\n27\n00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:40,553\n相關的消毒措施以外包括這種加裝抽風扇或者是其他的防疫措施可是這個就是需要費用未來未來在不管是幼兒園或者是小學這部分如果要加強這種空調或者是風扇的這些處理的話不曉得有沒有哪一些的措施正在設法改善中\n\n28\n00:09:41,184 --> 00:10:06,412\n跟委員也報告一下因為現在室內空氣品質的部分全國大概就是高中以下的學校大概有將近快1萬所那目前部理就是跟地方政府還有學校就是以推動那個示範學校就是自主標章這部分來做管理那像大專的話他是全面都要納管那高中以下的部分目前大概有像幼兒園的部分大概有150個學校達到優良和\n\n29\n00:10:10,554 --> 00:10:17,065\n就是它達到符合的這樣空氣品質標準的規定我們會再把這部分再持續的擴大讓幼兒園的學生能夠有一個乾淨呼吸的空氣品質\n\n30\n00:10:23,292 --> 00:10:48,763\n跟委員報告一下這部分部理會持續來追蹤這部分我還是需要跟地方政府和學校來做一個溝通因為其實如果學校學校要符合這空氣品比較髒他的規範還蠻嚴格他需要專責人員那像幼兒園他人數少他如果要設置專責人員他需要額外另外一筆經費這部分我們跟環保環境部一起來討論一下怎麼樣適合推動到幼兒園的部分來做相關的一些規劃和計劃謝謝委員關心這議題\n\n31\n00:10:52,705 --> 00:11:13,452\n好謝謝葉報委員這其實我看到那個其實我也很有感啦也建議貴院立法院也能夠以身作則能夠改善一下啊其實包含節電空氣品質改善這個要大家一起做啦不是只有幼兒園其實最後想要請教部長就是我們的這個CO2到底室內它的這個最低標準是多少\n\n32\n00:11:14,092 --> 00:11:39,508\n八小時要一千嘛八小時平均一千我們是超標啦會覺得昏昏欲睡所以為了昭緯的健康為了我們144同仁的健康還有為了大家在這個室內的健康我們很期待至少我們這個801相關的這部分是不是能夠做一些有效措施來改善好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王委員謝謝部長部長剛剛特別提到\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6983\t12076\t好謝謝主席還是有請彭部長還有衛福部的司長卓司長\n22098\t36488\t謝謝部長今天早上告訴我們有關於每一年發揮100億以上的這個空屋的這些治理得到一些好的成果那當然我們還持續希望能夠有機會更改善我們也了解這個每一天\n38109\t65149\t時間都需要再呼吸這個空氣的品質對我們來講真的非常非常的重要不過今天的重點會把它放在相對是在室內的這些品質空氣的品質的部分我們也知道在民國100年的時候我們就通過室內空氣品質管理法這部法律那在101年就頒布了室內空氣品質標準那剛剛趙偉也很關心那到底我們這個室內品質\n66730\t81996\t在9項指標裡面有沒有符合標準我們發現的確我在9點28分的時候注意到我們的CO2濃度是1495那現在是1544那在一個小時之前更高到1700\n83416\t107583\t那這個到底我們怎麼去感受這種品質的問題那我們也知道事實上目前有列管的場所包括有1186個地方是透過這個室內品質在做管控包括政府機構大學院校還有運動健身場所當然還包括醫療機構跟很多的社福機構那我們所看到的部分就是會擔心\n109344\t124063\t尤其在COVID那段時間裡面大家對於這個室內的空調的部分呢是有非常高的要求希望能夠避免到室內的時候會因為這個空氣品質的關係而造成的影響\n125825\t143317\t我們看到就是其實在台北市他們曾經在106年的時候呢就針對醫院室內的空氣品質超標的時候有一些處罰的案例那到了去年113年他們也針對不管是百貨公司或者是醫療機構去做了稽查\n145859\t166625\t那也發現有一些醫院呢是有檢測超標的部分那這一部分當然我們也了解這個包括像我們剛剛所處理的措施就是讓這個空氣流通會更好不管是把這個窗戶打開啦或者是加強這個空調換氣的部分那這一部分將來有沒有機會\n167825\t188204\t尤其是醫院的部分能夠透過兩個部會來看如何有一些專案的改善或者是必須要做哪一些措施才能夠讓醫院的這個空氣品質也能夠達到一些我們所期待的標準那這部分不知道部長或者是基深這邊有沒有什麼意見想要來做報告\n189364\t214878\t報告委員我先報告一下其實我們前一陣子去年跟委員報告我們主力徵集預算幫醫院做節能的部分當然我知道長庚醫院做的是最好的那有些醫院也在跟進當中那我們也也媒合了受險業者能夠來進行這個投資就結合ASCO在做那這個現在在進行當中希望很快的就有幾件案例可以成真那因為這個是公營的他需要這樣額外的資金很多私營的他都願意來做\n216119\t224908\t當他做這個ASCO節能的時候其實這個空瓶就會跟著去改善因為這個其實是很好的一個理由那另外一個是醫療的部分我們是不是請衛福部來做報告\n228650\t255897\t確實我們在醫院的部分我們有配合這個環境部這邊推動一些計畫所以我們也針對醫院進營的這個部分我們陸續有做一些相關的宣導跟推動相關的計畫所以這個都會牽扯到經費所以很期待兩個部會可以有更緊密的結合讓這個經費除了去做監測以外也能夠讓這些經費能夠落實到在不同的這個場域來進行改善\n256577\t273714\t報告委員我們目前的經驗是民間的醫院私立的醫院做的反而比公立的醫院來得積極因為公立的醫院要編列經費然後他有預算上的編定的限制還要公開招標所以對於ASCO的限制相對的就會多一點點所以我們現在在突破這一點好\n275255\t297615\t麻煩部長還有衛福這邊繼續努力謝謝那再下一個問題就是兒童醫院設立空品維護區的部分早上委員也有提過這個問題那目前我們了解在新竹有成立的最新的一家兒童醫院那目前已經全台有將近六到\n298115\t323961\t即將成立甚至會到七家的兒童醫院那我們也了解這個兒童醫院大部分來就醫的當然都是以兒童為主那空氣品質維護區變成是一個很需要去發揮出來一個特定的區域那新竹市政府他們宣稱說新竹馬街的兒童醫院的發射呢是首次有這樣的這個要求讓這個品質可以更為穩定\n326042\t338396\t將來有沒有機會所有的兒童醫院都有這樣的這個維護區的這個設立不知道目前環境部或者是我們的衛福部有沒有這樣的計畫\n340078\t367946\t包括委員能夠讓這種所謂的弱勢族群或是很敏感的族群能夠保護這是我們的目標那目前全台灣大概21個縣市大概有85個公民維護區這個都是地方環保局來做制定的那其實有的效果還不錯所以我們現在其實或許委員我們今年度可能我們跟衛福部一起合作來針對一些這種兒童醫院我們先來試行討論看看那再跟委員做報告這個的確是一個很好的方法\n368286\t382686\t是因為的確依照空污法第40條這是地方政府的要擬電區劃分出這個空氣品質維護區不過環境部是要核電才能夠公告所以我們希望是不是兩個部會\n384588\t402362\t學童這個地方政府在三個月裡面給我們一個書面報告好我們看這個進度如何可以可以謝謝委員好那我們就麻煩繼續努力好那再過來就是有關你這個國中小附近的空屋的部分那這部分也麻煩那個教育部是不是有我們的官員在現場\n404524\t420819\t當然早上委員也有人請教過這個國中小附近的這個空屋的部分是跟這個學校附近它的一些經濟發展或者是一些相關的這個工業或者是其他場區的\n422481\t434667\t影響是有關係 這個部分我們也看到有一些媒體發現說全台172家的國中或國小他的附近的工廠在近5年裡面有違規\n436485\t461064\t違反公務法被這個裁法的規定那另外也注意到說這個工廠都相距不到500公尺那這部分將來如何針對這個可能影響的這些兒童們做長期健康的追蹤或者是在教育部目前有沒有哪一些方案在協助讓這樣的這個違規可以減少的同時對兒童的保護是有再加強的\n462212\t476707\t跟委員報告一下我們部裡有那個健康處境方案那這部分我會請我們部裡的國教署來把這部分就是這172學校看是不是可以把它做一個長期的追蹤這部分我回去會請國教署來做一個處理謝謝委員關心這議題\n480210\t507249\t報告委員其實這個東西因為台灣很地小人稠所以不是只有學校很多的民眾也住在工廠的旁邊所以這個問題應該是社區學校跟工廠之間要有一個更好的互動機制讓大家一起來改才有辦法那我們今年會努力找幾個案例來推看看因為其實有些地方我們看到有些地方經過大家的努力不是抗議啦是努力啦協調之後終於成功了\n507629\t528824\t是我們其實是期待社區的各方面的能力可以加進來而不是說純粹用抗疫的方式去改善而已那最後一個問題就是有關於教室室內的品質空品的改善因為我們也知道這個教室裡面現在很多兒童包括是幼兒園或者是小學都會\n530458\t556136\t大概很長的時間在教室裡面那台大醫院蘇教授他們也做了相關的研究發現說這個室內換氣不足的話呢在過去那個COVID那段時間其實真的是會影響這個新冠病毒這個傳染的風險而且高達三倍之多所以他們也建議說在這個室內的換氣的地方需要再加強除了說這個室內的一些\n558057\t580553\t相關的消毒措施以外包括這種加裝抽風扇或者是其他的防疫措施可是這個就是需要費用未來未來在不管是幼兒園或者是小學這部分如果要加強這種空調或者是風扇的這些處理的話不曉得有沒有哪一些的措施正在設法改善中\n581184\t606412\t跟委員也報告一下因為現在室內空氣品質的部分全國大概就是高中以下的學校大概有將近快1萬所那目前部理就是跟地方政府還有學校就是以推動那個示範學校就是自主標章這部分來做管理那像大專的話他是全面都要納管那高中以下的部分目前大概有像幼兒園的部分大概有150個學校達到優良和\n610554\t617065\t就是它達到符合的這樣空氣品質標準的規定我們會再把這部分再持續的擴大讓幼兒園的學生能夠有一個乾淨呼吸的空氣品質\n623292\t648763\t跟委員報告一下這部分部理會持續來追蹤這部分我還是需要跟地方政府和學校來做一個溝通因為其實如果學校學校要符合這空氣品比較髒他的規範還蠻嚴格他需要專責人員那像幼兒園他人數少他如果要設置專責人員他需要額外另外一筆經費這部分我們跟環保環境部一起來討論一下怎麼樣適合推動到幼兒園的部分來做相關的一些規劃和計劃謝謝委員關心這議題\n652705\t673452\t好謝謝葉報委員這其實我看到那個其實我也很有感啦也建議貴院立法院也能夠以身作則能夠改善一下啊其實包含節電空氣品質改善這個要大家一起做啦不是只有幼兒園其實最後想要請教部長就是我們的這個CO2到底室內它的這個最低標準是多少\n674092\t699508\t八小時要一千嘛八小時平均一千我們是超標啦會覺得昏昏欲睡所以為了昭緯的健康為了我們144同仁的健康還有為了大家在這個室內的健康我們很期待至少我們這個801相關的這部分是不是能夠做一些有效措施來改善好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王委員 謝謝部長部長剛剛特別提到\n703763\t704070\t請\n","txt":"好謝謝主席還是有請彭部長還有衛福部的司長卓司長\n謝謝部長今天早上告訴我們有關於每一年發揮100億以上的這個空屋的這些治理得到一些好的成果那當然我們還持續希望能夠有機會更改善我們也了解這個每一天\n時間都需要再呼吸這個空氣的品質對我們來講真的非常非常的重要不過今天的重點會把它放在相對是在室內的這些品質空氣的品質的部分我們也知道在民國100年的時候我們就通過室內空氣品質管理法這部法律那在101年就頒布了室內空氣品質標準那剛剛趙偉也很關心那到底我們這個室內品質\n在9項指標裡面有沒有符合標準我們發現的確我在9點28分的時候注意到我們的CO2濃度是1495那現在是1544那在一個小時之前更高到1700\n那這個到底我們怎麼去感受這種品質的問題那我們也知道事實上目前有列管的場所包括有1186個地方是透過這個室內品質在做管控包括政府機構大學院校還有運動健身場所當然還包括醫療機構跟很多的社福機構那我們所看到的部分就是會擔心\n尤其在COVID那段時間裡面大家對於這個室內的空調的部分呢是有非常高的要求希望能夠避免到室內的時候會因為這個空氣品質的關係而造成的影響\n我們看到就是其實在台北市他們曾經在106年的時候呢就針對醫院室內的空氣品質超標的時候有一些處罰的案例那到了去年113年他們也針對不管是百貨公司或者是醫療機構去做了稽查\n那也發現有一些醫院呢是有檢測超標的部分那這一部分當然我們也了解這個包括像我們剛剛所處理的措施就是讓這個空氣流通會更好不管是把這個窗戶打開啦或者是加強這個空調換氣的部分那這一部分將來有沒有機會\n尤其是醫院的部分能夠透過兩個部會來看如何有一些專案的改善或者是必須要做哪一些措施才能夠讓醫院的這個空氣品質也能夠達到一些我們所期待的標準那這部分不知道部長或者是基深這邊有沒有什麼意見想要來做報告\n報告委員我先報告一下其實我們前一陣子去年跟委員報告我們主力徵集預算幫醫院做節能的部分當然我知道長庚醫院做的是最好的那有些醫院也在跟進當中那我們也也媒合了受險業者能夠來進行這個投資就結合ASCO在做那這個現在在進行當中希望很快的就有幾件案例可以成真那因為這個是公營的他需要這樣額外的資金很多私營的他都願意來做\n當他做這個ASCO節能的時候其實這個空瓶就會跟著去改善因為這個其實是很好的一個理由那另外一個是醫療的部分我們是不是請衛福部來做報告\n確實我們在醫院的部分我們有配合這個環境部這邊推動一些計畫所以我們也針對醫院進營的這個部分我們陸續有做一些相關的宣導跟推動相關的計畫所以這個都會牽扯到經費所以很期待兩個部會可以有更緊密的結合讓這個經費除了去做監測以外也能夠讓這些經費能夠落實到在不同的這個場域來進行改善\n報告委員我們目前的經驗是民間的醫院私立的醫院做的反而比公立的醫院來得積極因為公立的醫院要編列經費然後他有預算上的編定的限制還要公開招標所以對於ASCO的限制相對的就會多一點點所以我們現在在突破這一點好\n麻煩部長還有衛福這邊繼續努力謝謝那再下一個問題就是兒童醫院設立空品維護區的部分早上委員也有提過這個問題那目前我們了解在新竹有成立的最新的一家兒童醫院那目前已經全台有將近六到\n即將成立甚至會到七家的兒童醫院那我們也了解這個兒童醫院大部分來就醫的當然都是以兒童為主那空氣品質維護區變成是一個很需要去發揮出來一個特定的區域那新竹市政府他們宣稱說新竹馬街的兒童醫院的發射呢是首次有這樣的這個要求讓這個品質可以更為穩定\n將來有沒有機會所有的兒童醫院都有這樣的這個維護區的這個設立不知道目前環境部或者是我們的衛福部有沒有這樣的計畫\n包括委員能夠讓這種所謂的弱勢族群或是很敏感的族群能夠保護這是我們的目標那目前全台灣大概21個縣市大概有85個公民維護區這個都是地方環保局來做制定的那其實有的效果還不錯所以我們現在其實或許委員我們今年度可能我們跟衛福部一起合作來針對一些這種兒童醫院我們先來試行討論看看那再跟委員做報告這個的確是一個很好的方法\n是因為的確依照空污法第40條這是地方政府的要擬電區劃分出這個空氣品質維護區不過環境部是要核電才能夠公告所以我們希望是不是兩個部會\n學童這個地方政府在三個月裡面給我們一個書面報告好我們看這個進度如何可以可以謝謝委員好那我們就麻煩繼續努力好那再過來就是有關你這個國中小附近的空屋的部分那這部分也麻煩那個教育部是不是有我們的官員在現場\n當然早上委員也有人請教過這個國中小附近的這個空屋的部分是跟這個學校附近它的一些經濟發展或者是一些相關的這個工業或者是其他場區的\n影響是有關係 這個部分我們也看到有一些媒體發現說全台172家的國中或國小他的附近的工廠在近5年裡面有違規\n違反公務法被這個裁法的規定那另外也注意到說這個工廠都相距不到500公尺那這部分將來如何針對這個可能影響的這些兒童們做長期健康的追蹤或者是在教育部目前有沒有哪一些方案在協助讓這樣的這個違規可以減少的同時對兒童的保護是有再加強的\n跟委員報告一下我們部裡有那個健康處境方案那這部分我會請我們部裡的國教署來把這部分就是這172學校看是不是可以把它做一個長期的追蹤這部分我回去會請國教署來做一個處理謝謝委員關心這議題\n報告委員其實這個東西因為台灣很地小人稠所以不是只有學校很多的民眾也住在工廠的旁邊所以這個問題應該是社區學校跟工廠之間要有一個更好的互動機制讓大家一起來改才有辦法那我們今年會努力找幾個案例來推看看因為其實有些地方我們看到有些地方經過大家的努力不是抗議啦是努力啦協調之後終於成功了\n是我們其實是期待社區的各方面的能力可以加進來而不是說純粹用抗疫的方式去改善而已那最後一個問題就是有關於教室室內的品質空品的改善因為我們也知道這個教室裡面現在很多兒童包括是幼兒園或者是小學都會\n大概很長的時間在教室裡面那台大醫院蘇教授他們也做了相關的研究發現說這個室內換氣不足的話呢在過去那個COVID那段時間其實真的是會影響這個新冠病毒這個傳染的風險而且高達三倍之多所以他們也建議說在這個室內的換氣的地方需要再加強除了說這個室內的一些\n相關的消毒措施以外包括這種加裝抽風扇或者是其他的防疫措施可是這個就是需要費用未來未來在不管是幼兒園或者是小學這部分如果要加強這種空調或者是風扇的這些處理的話不曉得有沒有哪一些的措施正在設法改善中\n跟委員也報告一下因為現在室內空氣品質的部分全國大概就是高中以下的學校大概有將近快1萬所那目前部理就是跟地方政府還有學校就是以推動那個示範學校就是自主標章這部分來做管理那像大專的話他是全面都要納管那高中以下的部分目前大概有像幼兒園的部分大概有150個學校達到優良和\n就是它達到符合的這樣空氣品質標準的規定我們會再把這部分再持續的擴大讓幼兒園的學生能夠有一個乾淨呼吸的空氣品質\n跟委員報告一下這部分部理會持續來追蹤這部分我還是需要跟地方政府和學校來做一個溝通因為其實如果學校學校要符合這空氣品比較髒他的規範還蠻嚴格他需要專責人員那像幼兒園他人數少他如果要設置專責人員他需要額外另外一筆經費這部分我們跟環保環境部一起來討論一下怎麼樣適合推動到幼兒園的部分來做相關的一些規劃和計劃謝謝委員關心這議題\n好謝謝葉報委員這其實我看到那個其實我也很有感啦也建議貴院立法院也能夠以身作則能夠改善一下啊其實包含節電空氣品質改善這個要大家一起做啦不是只有幼兒園其實最後想要請教部長就是我們的這個CO2到底室內它的這個最低標準是多少\n八小時要一千嘛八小時平均一千我們是超標啦會覺得昏昏欲睡所以為了昭緯的健康為了我們144同仁的健康還有為了大家在這個室內的健康我們很期待至少我們這個801相關的這部分是不是能夠做一些有效措施來改善好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王委員 謝謝部長部長剛剛特別提到\n請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.983 --> 00:12.076\n好謝謝主席還是有請彭部長還有衛福部的司長卓司長\n\n00:22.098 --> 00:36.488\n謝謝部長今天早上告訴我們有關於每一年發揮100億以上的這個空屋的這些治理得到一些好的成果那當然我們還持續希望能夠有機會更改善我們也了解這個每一天\n\n00:38.109 --> 01:05.149\n時間都需要再呼吸這個空氣的品質對我們來講真的非常非常的重要不過今天的重點會把它放在相對是在室內的這些品質空氣的品質的部分我們也知道在民國100年的時候我們就通過室內空氣品質管理法這部法律那在101年就頒布了室內空氣品質標準那剛剛趙偉也很關心那到底我們這個室內品質\n\n01:06.730 --> 01:21.996\n在9項指標裡面有沒有符合標準我們發現的確我在9點28分的時候注意到我們的CO2濃度是1495那現在是1544那在一個小時之前更高到1700\n\n01:23.416 --> 01:47.583\n那這個到底我們怎麼去感受這種品質的問題那我們也知道事實上目前有列管的場所包括有1186個地方是透過這個室內品質在做管控包括政府機構大學院校還有運動健身場所當然還包括醫療機構跟很多的社福機構那我們所看到的部分就是會擔心\n\n01:49.344 --> 02:04.063\n尤其在COVID那段時間裡面大家對於這個室內的空調的部分呢是有非常高的要求希望能夠避免到室內的時候會因為這個空氣品質的關係而造成的影響\n\n02:05.825 --> 02:23.317\n我們看到就是其實在台北市他們曾經在106年的時候呢就針對醫院室內的空氣品質超標的時候有一些處罰的案例那到了去年113年他們也針對不管是百貨公司或者是醫療機構去做了稽查\n\n02:25.859 --> 02:46.625\n那也發現有一些醫院呢是有檢測超標的部分那這一部分當然我們也了解這個包括像我們剛剛所處理的措施就是讓這個空氣流通會更好不管是把這個窗戶打開啦或者是加強這個空調換氣的部分那這一部分將來有沒有機會\n\n02:47.825 --> 03:08.204\n尤其是醫院的部分能夠透過兩個部會來看如何有一些專案的改善或者是必須要做哪一些措施才能夠讓醫院的這個空氣品質也能夠達到一些我們所期待的標準那這部分不知道部長或者是基深這邊有沒有什麼意見想要來做報告\n\n03:09.364 --> 03:34.878\n報告委員我先報告一下其實我們前一陣子去年跟委員報告我們主力徵集預算幫醫院做節能的部分當然我知道長庚醫院做的是最好的那有些醫院也在跟進當中那我們也也媒合了受險業者能夠來進行這個投資就結合ASCO在做那這個現在在進行當中希望很快的就有幾件案例可以成真那因為這個是公營的他需要這樣額外的資金很多私營的他都願意來做\n\n03:36.119 --> 03:44.908\n當他做這個ASCO節能的時候其實這個空瓶就會跟著去改善因為這個其實是很好的一個理由那另外一個是醫療的部分我們是不是請衛福部來做報告\n\n03:48.650 --> 04:15.897\n確實我們在醫院的部分我們有配合這個環境部這邊推動一些計畫所以我們也針對醫院進營的這個部分我們陸續有做一些相關的宣導跟推動相關的計畫所以這個都會牽扯到經費所以很期待兩個部會可以有更緊密的結合讓這個經費除了去做監測以外也能夠讓這些經費能夠落實到在不同的這個場域來進行改善\n\n04:16.577 --> 04:33.714\n報告委員我們目前的經驗是民間的醫院私立的醫院做的反而比公立的醫院來得積極因為公立的醫院要編列經費然後他有預算上的編定的限制還要公開招標所以對於ASCO的限制相對的就會多一點點所以我們現在在突破這一點好\n\n04:35.255 --> 04:57.615\n麻煩部長還有衛福這邊繼續努力謝謝那再下一個問題就是兒童醫院設立空品維護區的部分早上委員也有提過這個問題那目前我們了解在新竹有成立的最新的一家兒童醫院那目前已經全台有將近六到\n\n04:58.115 --> 05:23.961\n即將成立甚至會到七家的兒童醫院那我們也了解這個兒童醫院大部分來就醫的當然都是以兒童為主那空氣品質維護區變成是一個很需要去發揮出來一個特定的區域那新竹市政府他們宣稱說新竹馬街的兒童醫院的發射呢是首次有這樣的這個要求讓這個品質可以更為穩定\n\n05:26.042 --> 05:38.396\n將來有沒有機會所有的兒童醫院都有這樣的這個維護區的這個設立不知道目前環境部或者是我們的衛福部有沒有這樣的計畫\n\n05:40.078 --> 06:07.946\n包括委員能夠讓這種所謂的弱勢族群或是很敏感的族群能夠保護這是我們的目標那目前全台灣大概21個縣市大概有85個公民維護區這個都是地方環保局來做制定的那其實有的效果還不錯所以我們現在其實或許委員我們今年度可能我們跟衛福部一起合作來針對一些這種兒童醫院我們先來試行討論看看那再跟委員做報告這個的確是一個很好的方法\n\n06:08.286 --> 06:22.686\n是因為的確依照空污法第40條這是地方政府的要擬電區劃分出這個空氣品質維護區不過環境部是要核電才能夠公告所以我們希望是不是兩個部會\n\n06:24.588 --> 06:42.362\n學童這個地方政府在三個月裡面給我們一個書面報告好我們看這個進度如何可以可以謝謝委員好那我們就麻煩繼續努力好那再過來就是有關你這個國中小附近的空屋的部分那這部分也麻煩那個教育部是不是有我們的官員在現場\n\n06:44.524 --> 07:00.819\n當然早上委員也有人請教過這個國中小附近的這個空屋的部分是跟這個學校附近它的一些經濟發展或者是一些相關的這個工業或者是其他場區的\n\n07:02.481 --> 07:14.667\n影響是有關係這個部分我們也看到有一些媒體發現說全台172家的國中或國小他的附近的工廠在近5年裡面有違規\n\n07:16.485 --> 07:41.064\n違反公務法被這個裁法的規定那另外也注意到說這個工廠都相距不到500公尺那這部分將來如何針對這個可能影響的這些兒童們做長期健康的追蹤或者是在教育部目前有沒有哪一些方案在協助讓這樣的這個違規可以減少的同時對兒童的保護是有再加強的\n\n07:42.212 --> 07:56.707\n跟委員報告一下我們部裡有那個健康處境方案那這部分我會請我們部裡的國教署來把這部分就是這172學校看是不是可以把它做一個長期的追蹤這部分我回去會請國教署來做一個處理謝謝委員關心這議題\n\n08:00.210 --> 08:27.249\n報告委員其實這個東西因為台灣很地小人稠所以不是只有學校很多的民眾也住在工廠的旁邊所以這個問題應該是社區學校跟工廠之間要有一個更好的互動機制讓大家一起來改才有辦法那我們今年會努力找幾個案例來推看看因為其實有些地方我們看到有些地方經過大家的努力不是抗議啦是努力啦協調之後終於成功了\n\n08:27.629 --> 08:48.824\n是我們其實是期待社區的各方面的能力可以加進來而不是說純粹用抗疫的方式去改善而已那最後一個問題就是有關於教室室內的品質空品的改善因為我們也知道這個教室裡面現在很多兒童包括是幼兒園或者是小學都會\n\n08:50.458 --> 09:16.136\n大概很長的時間在教室裡面那台大醫院蘇教授他們也做了相關的研究發現說這個室內換氣不足的話呢在過去那個COVID那段時間其實真的是會影響這個新冠病毒這個傳染的風險而且高達三倍之多所以他們也建議說在這個室內的換氣的地方需要再加強除了說這個室內的一些\n\n09:18.057 --> 09:40.553\n相關的消毒措施以外包括這種加裝抽風扇或者是其他的防疫措施可是這個就是需要費用未來未來在不管是幼兒園或者是小學這部分如果要加強這種空調或者是風扇的這些處理的話不曉得有沒有哪一些的措施正在設法改善中\n\n09:41.184 --> 10:06.412\n跟委員也報告一下因為現在室內空氣品質的部分全國大概就是高中以下的學校大概有將近快1萬所那目前部理就是跟地方政府還有學校就是以推動那個示範學校就是自主標章這部分來做管理那像大專的話他是全面都要納管那高中以下的部分目前大概有像幼兒園的部分大概有150個學校達到優良和\n\n10:10.554 --> 10:17.065\n就是它達到符合的這樣空氣品質標準的規定我們會再把這部分再持續的擴大讓幼兒園的學生能夠有一個乾淨呼吸的空氣品質\n\n10:23.292 --> 10:48.763\n跟委員報告一下這部分部理會持續來追蹤這部分我還是需要跟地方政府和學校來做一個溝通因為其實如果學校學校要符合這空氣品比較髒他的規範還蠻嚴格他需要專責人員那像幼兒園他人數少他如果要設置專責人員他需要額外另外一筆經費這部分我們跟環保環境部一起來討論一下怎麼樣適合推動到幼兒園的部分來做相關的一些規劃和計劃謝謝委員關心這議題\n\n10:52.705 --> 11:13.452\n好謝謝葉報委員這其實我看到那個其實我也很有感啦也建議貴院立法院也能夠以身作則能夠改善一下啊其實包含節電空氣品質改善這個要大家一起做啦不是只有幼兒園其實最後想要請教部長就是我們的這個CO2到底室內它的這個最低標準是多少\n\n11:14.092 --> 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