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00:01:24,892\n所以大家的版本都不一樣大家的提案的理由都不一樣現在也是這樣嗎因為我們剛剛其實上個會期也開過公聽會嘛所以從90年開始我們就討論這件事情但是一直到現在包括上個會期我們才剛剛開完公聽會也還是這樣沒有辦法有共識說哇我們就是有幾天已經得到全社會的支持大家都同意放假了是這樣的狀況嗎還是目前其實我非常想描述\n\n5\n00:01:44,324 --> 00:02:10,140\n跟委員報告一下我想委員非常的清楚假日節日這個部分要怎麼放假其實我們都會尊重不管是族群性別或是其他的百工百業但是要不要放假這個事情就事涉多元如果是屬於公務員放假的話是我們行政院的人事行政總處在每一年的年底的時候公佈下一年度的放假日那但是事涉到私人的比如說公司行號的放假的部分的話\n\n6\n00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:28,692\n它就必須要符合勞動部的這些勞基法或是放假日所以其實是兩個層次現在是所有的把它都放在一起的時候就會變成有點混亂也就是造成學者所說的沒有辦法凝聚共識也就是說其實這個議題來講雖然我們講的是紀念日和節日但是其實回過頭來我們要處理的是當我們能夠確認紀念日和節日的意義能夠得到共識就這個意義價值得到共識之後\n\n7\n00:02:39,119 --> 00:02:52,103\n那我們再去處理要怎麼來紀念或放假放假只是形式之一而已可以這麼說嗎對它是一種放假是一種形式之一所以應該是寓意的重要性要先能夠凝聚共識這是第一個層次大家先討論好是不是\n\n8\n00:02:54,844 --> 00:03:09,258\n都同意有這一些紀念日成為國家制定的然後再來決定它的形式到底是要放假還是不放假或有其他的紀念方式因為我看現在的辦法也有我們就是要升旗啊或者是什麼啊有些紀念日是單純這樣所以紀念日的紀念形式有\n\n9\n00:03:12,881 --> 00:03:27,430\n多種不同的狀況然後才是有這個放假只是其中之一應該要兩種不同的層次好那我們就來心該正所以這件事情要被處理的狀況其實最重要的就是剛剛說的第一層次共識的部分那我們來看\n\n10\n00:03:28,411 --> 00:03:56,690\n其實我們以亞洲好了我們就先侷限在我們的歷史脈絡比較相近的文化風俗比較相近的亞洲來看好了其實不管是日本、韓國、新加坡都會有不同的假日我發現他們其實都是依照自己的歷史背景或文化去制定那我以我們比較接近的新加坡好了為什麼新加坡我會說它比較接近呢因為新加坡也是華人、馬來人、印度人及其他歐亞裔的血統這樣組成的一個國家\n\n11\n00:03:58,451 --> 00:04:26,819\n它的文化非常多元以至於它的假日就非常多元它的假日裡面你看看它有這個以宗教為放假日的狀況也有因為是種族族群的不同而產生不同的狀況但綜合起來它其實是平均分布這樣的狀況部長這個新加坡的您應該在處理這個案件的時候法案的時候也有看過吧有但是宗教為主的部分也有人做報告是\n\n12\n00:04:27,739 --> 00:04:37,084\n但是它的宗教其實等於是配合了族群的不同嘛因為它的不同族群產生的不同的宗教這樣的狀況好那如果回到我們的狀態來講的話呢其實剛剛也聽到非常多偉文的說明你就可以看出有些人是從宗教出發有些人是從族群出發有些人是從歷史來出發部長你有統計過這一次大家所有的提案狀況上面我們總共\n\n13\n00:04:53,652 --> 00:05:22,057\n如果全部都採納的話我們要增加多少的假日紀念日嗎有26個提案你們剛剛提到了最少是增加一天那最多是增加9天這個是紀念日的部分沒有所有的提案所有的提案就是紀念日跟節日就是剛剛所說的有族群的方面的也有百公百業的也有宗教方面的也有因為是歲時祭儀譬如說這個農曆新年啊等等這些所以加在一起呢就是最多有達到9天好\n\n14\n00:05:22,637 --> 00:05:28,664\n其實這個數字是遠超過現在的狀況那如果把這個九天的假期全部都開始放進去了的話對我們的社會現在的狀況你覺得影響是不是也應該一併提出來讓大家能夠了解之後我們才決定說是不是這些假期都有辦法去處理\n\n15\n00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:58,078\n是謝謝委員的垂詢有關於那個各個委員所提出放假日的部分因為很難就是說做他們如果多放假9天的話會造成什麼的影響但是就我所了解應該就是說在勞動方面像我剛剛說的\n\n16\n00:05:59,119 --> 00:06:24,254\n如果放假日的話全國的軍公教大概都會是一樣譬如說多放九天但是對於在私部門裡面尤其是在勞工勞動或者是公司行號企業文化裡面他們能不能承受說多放九天的時候有一些什麼樣子的影響那這個部分因為委員的提案因為26個委員提案裡面他們也沒有提到這方面的評估所以我們就很難去評估到後續的影響在哪裡我想\n\n17\n00:06:26,055 --> 00:06:50,202\n今天各個委員從剛剛提案說明就已經這麼多人等一下每個人也都會問我想問的核心價值不外乎是剛剛提到兩個第一個就是我們對這些節日紀念日的價值意義是不是有共識才不會出現像這一次我們雖然在放228紀念日但是你看坊間這個出現在電視媒體上面的或者是我們的社群網路上面是什麼是歡慶228228是用來這樣歡慶的嗎\n\n18\n00:06:55,104 --> 00:07:17,545\n228可以放假228可以去做休閒的活動這沒有問題但是在這之前社會是不是對228的這個意義放假紀念日的意義能夠有理解這就等同於是剛剛我聽到比如說823紀念日我也覺得這個紀念日很好啊但我想823紀念日真正的精神應該是在反共是在守護民主這個有沒有能夠提到\n\n19\n00:07:19,767 --> 00:07:26,932\n行限紀念日對啊行限很重要啊但你是不是能夠在國會裡面作為一個堅守憲法的立法委員能夠堅守我們目前的中華民國憲法五權憲法體制這樣子的一個政黨那我就覺得這是不是也才是行限的真諦是不是應該搞清楚這個我們這些假日\n\n20\n00:07:43,223 --> 00:07:53,687\n它的意義再來提出我們要怎麼樣去實行這個假日這個節日紀念日這樣的方式所以我認為其實今天我們會花非常多的時間在處理這些意義的部分我相信我期待我們能夠有共識不過我認為在這個部分來講\n\n21\n00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:22,904\n可能從90年到現在大家都必須要把所有的台灣的歷史脈絡做深刻的檢視之後才有辦法決定哪一些是真正的共識否則那只是造成各行各業更大的困擾而已我認為部長今天在這裡麻煩你在後面的委員槌尋的時候能夠一一的說明這樣子的部分是謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝蘇巧惠委員長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10106\t13548\t好 謝謝主席 我們請內政部劉部長劉部長有請蘇媛早部長好那我們今天是要來審查紀念日及節日的這個實施條例那希望能夠看是不是大家都有共識要把它從辦法調升為法治化那其實在這個排案審查之前 社會上已經討論很久部長這個案子大概討論\n37438\t51191\t多早年多久非常久民國90年之前那時候內政部曾經提過有總共三次那也沒有共識然後在立法委員已經經歷過五屆所以您當時也參與過討論也有參與過討論但是也都是沒有共識所以那個時候的困難點是什麼\n57077\t75727\t我想困難點是這樣子大家都知道說假日或是國定假日或是節日它是綜合在一起的它裡面討論說有比較嚴肅性的假日譬如說228但是也有百公百業但是也有性別譬如說三八婦女節那有人跟我提到在網路上面有提到說那1111光棍節要不要放假\n76087\t84892\t所以大家的版本都不一樣大家的提案的理由都不一樣現在也是這樣嗎因為我們剛剛其實上個會期也開過公聽會嘛所以從90年開始我們就討論這件事情但是一直到現在包括上個會期我們才剛剛開完公聽會也還是這樣沒有辦法有共識說哇我們就是有幾天已經得到全社會的支持大家都同意放假了是這樣的狀況嗎還是目前其實我非常想描述\n104324\t130140\t跟委員報告一下我想委員非常的清楚假日節日這個部分要怎麼放假其實我們都會尊重不管是族群性別或是其他的百工百業但是要不要放假這個事情就事涉多元如果是屬於公務員放假的話是我們行政院的人事行政總處在每一年的年底的時候公佈下一年度的放假日那但是事涉到私人的比如說公司行號的放假的部分的話\n130640\t148692\t它就必須要符合勞動部的這些勞基法或是放假日所以其實是兩個層次現在是所有的把它都放在一起的時候就會變成有點混亂也就是造成學者所說的沒有辦法凝聚共識也就是說其實這個議題來講雖然我們講的是紀念日和節日但是其實回過頭來我們要處理的是當我們能夠確認紀念日和節日的意義能夠得到共識就這個意義價值得到共識之後\n159119\t172103\t那我們再去處理要怎麼來紀念或放假放假只是形式之一而已可以這麼說嗎對 它是一種放假是一種形式之一所以應該是寓意的重要性要先能夠凝聚共識這是第一個層次大家先討論好是不是\n174844\t189258\t都同意有這一些紀念日成為國家制定的然後再來決定它的形式到底是要放假還是不放假或有其他的紀念方式因為我看現在的辦法也有我們就是要升旗啊或者是什麼啊有些紀念日是單純這樣所以紀念日的紀念形式有\n192881\t207430\t多種不同的狀況然後才是有這個放假只是其中之一應該要兩種不同的層次好 那我們就來心該正所以這件事情要被處理的狀況其實最重要的就是剛剛說的第一層次共識的部分那我們來看\n208411\t236690\t其實我們以亞洲好了我們就先侷限在我們的歷史脈絡比較相近的文化風俗比較相近的亞洲來看好了其實不管是日本、韓國、新加坡都會有不同的假日我發現他們其實都是依照自己的歷史背景或文化去制定那我以我們比較接近的新加坡好了為什麼新加坡我會說它比較接近呢因為新加坡也是華人、馬來人、印度人及其他歐亞裔的血統這樣組成的一個國家\n238451\t266819\t它的文化非常多元以至於它的假日就非常多元它的假日裡面你看看它有這個以宗教為放假日的狀況也有因為是種族族群的不同而產生不同的狀況但綜合起來它其實是平均分布這樣的狀況部長這個新加坡的您應該在處理這個案件的時候法案的時候也有看過吧有但是宗教為主的部分也有人做報告是\n267739\t277084\t但是它的宗教其實等於是配合了族群的不同嘛因為它的不同族群產生的不同的宗教這樣的狀況好 那如果回到我們的狀態來講的話呢其實剛剛也聽到非常多偉文的說明你就可以看出有些人是從宗教出發有些人是從族群出發有些人是從歷史來出發部長你有統計過這一次大家所有的提案狀況上面我們總共\n293652\t322057\t如果全部都採納的話我們要增加多少的假日紀念日嗎有26個提案你們剛剛提到了最少是增加一天那最多是增加9天這個是紀念日的部分沒有所有的提案所有的提案就是紀念日跟節日就是剛剛所說的有族群的方面的也有百公百業的也有宗教方面的也有因為是歲時祭儀譬如說這個農曆新年啊等等這些所以加在一起呢就是最多有達到9天好\n322637\t328664\t其實這個數字是遠超過現在的狀況那如果把這個九天的假期全部都開始放進去了的話對我們的社會現在的狀況你覺得影響是不是也應該一併提出來讓大家能夠了解之後我們才決定說是不是這些假期都有辦法去處理\n343439\t358078\t是謝謝委員的垂詢有關於那個各個委員所提出放假日的部分因為很難就是說做他們如果多放假9天的話會造成什麼的影響但是就我所了解應該就是說在勞動方面像我剛剛說的\n359119\t384254\t如果放假日的話全國的軍公教大概都會是一樣譬如說多放九天但是對於在私部門裡面尤其是在勞工勞動或者是公司行號企業文化裡面他們能不能承受說多放九天的時候有一些什麼樣子的影響那這個部分因為委員的提案因為26個委員提案裡面他們也沒有提到這方面的評估所以我們就很難去評估到後續的影響在哪裡我想\n386055\t410202\t今天各個委員從剛剛提案說明就已經這麼多人等一下每個人也都會問我想問的核心價值不外乎是剛剛提到兩個第一個就是我們對這些節日紀念日的價值意義是不是有共識才不會出現像這一次我們雖然在放228紀念日但是你看坊間這個出現在電視媒體上面的或者是我們的社群網路上面是什麼是歡慶228228是用來這樣歡慶的嗎\n415104\t437545\t228可以放假228可以去做休閒的活動這沒有問題但是在這之前社會是不是對228的這個意義放假紀念日的意義能夠有理解這就等同於是剛剛我聽到比如說823紀念日我也覺得這個紀念日很好啊但我想823紀念日真正的精神應該是在反共是在守護民主這個有沒有能夠提到\n439767\t446932\t行限紀念日 對啊 行限很重要啊但你是不是能夠在國會裡面作為一個堅守憲法的立法委員能夠堅守我們目前的中華民國憲法五權憲法體制這樣子的一個政黨那我就覺得這是不是也才是行限的真諦是不是應該搞清楚這個我們這些假日\n463223\t473687\t它的意義再來提出我們要怎麼樣去實行這個假日這個節日紀念日這樣的方式所以我認為其實今天我們會花非常多的時間在處理這些意義的部分我相信我期待我們能夠有共識不過我認為在這個部分來講\n483010\t502904\t可能從90年到現在大家都必須要把所有的台灣的歷史脈絡做深刻的檢視之後才有辦法決定哪一些是真正的共識否則那只是造成各行各業更大的困擾而已我認為部長今天在這裡麻煩你在後面的委員槌尋的時候能夠一一的說明這樣子的部分是謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝蘇巧惠委員長\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請內政部劉部長劉部長有請蘇媛早部長好那我們今天是要來審查紀念日及節日的這個實施條例那希望能夠看是不是大家都有共識要把它從辦法調升為法治化那其實在這個排案審查之前 社會上已經討論很久部長這個案子大概討論\n多早年多久非常久民國90年之前那時候內政部曾經提過有總共三次那也沒有共識然後在立法委員已經經歷過五屆所以您當時也參與過討論也有參與過討論但是也都是沒有共識所以那個時候的困難點是什麼\n我想困難點是這樣子大家都知道說假日或是國定假日或是節日它是綜合在一起的它裡面討論說有比較嚴肅性的假日譬如說228但是也有百公百業但是也有性別譬如說三八婦女節那有人跟我提到在網路上面有提到說那1111光棍節要不要放假\n所以大家的版本都不一樣大家的提案的理由都不一樣現在也是這樣嗎因為我們剛剛其實上個會期也開過公聽會嘛所以從90年開始我們就討論這件事情但是一直到現在包括上個會期我們才剛剛開完公聽會也還是這樣沒有辦法有共識說哇我們就是有幾天已經得到全社會的支持大家都同意放假了是這樣的狀況嗎還是目前其實我非常想描述\n跟委員報告一下我想委員非常的清楚假日節日這個部分要怎麼放假其實我們都會尊重不管是族群性別或是其他的百工百業但是要不要放假這個事情就事涉多元如果是屬於公務員放假的話是我們行政院的人事行政總處在每一年的年底的時候公佈下一年度的放假日那但是事涉到私人的比如說公司行號的放假的部分的話\n它就必須要符合勞動部的這些勞基法或是放假日所以其實是兩個層次現在是所有的把它都放在一起的時候就會變成有點混亂也就是造成學者所說的沒有辦法凝聚共識也就是說其實這個議題來講雖然我們講的是紀念日和節日但是其實回過頭來我們要處理的是當我們能夠確認紀念日和節日的意義能夠得到共識就這個意義價值得到共識之後\n那我們再去處理要怎麼來紀念或放假放假只是形式之一而已可以這麼說嗎對 它是一種放假是一種形式之一所以應該是寓意的重要性要先能夠凝聚共識這是第一個層次大家先討論好是不是\n都同意有這一些紀念日成為國家制定的然後再來決定它的形式到底是要放假還是不放假或有其他的紀念方式因為我看現在的辦法也有我們就是要升旗啊或者是什麼啊有些紀念日是單純這樣所以紀念日的紀念形式有\n多種不同的狀況然後才是有這個放假只是其中之一應該要兩種不同的層次好 那我們就來心該正所以這件事情要被處理的狀況其實最重要的就是剛剛說的第一層次共識的部分那我們來看\n其實我們以亞洲好了我們就先侷限在我們的歷史脈絡比較相近的文化風俗比較相近的亞洲來看好了其實不管是日本、韓國、新加坡都會有不同的假日我發現他們其實都是依照自己的歷史背景或文化去制定那我以我們比較接近的新加坡好了為什麼新加坡我會說它比較接近呢因為新加坡也是華人、馬來人、印度人及其他歐亞裔的血統這樣組成的一個國家\n它的文化非常多元以至於它的假日就非常多元它的假日裡面你看看它有這個以宗教為放假日的狀況也有因為是種族族群的不同而產生不同的狀況但綜合起來它其實是平均分布這樣的狀況部長這個新加坡的您應該在處理這個案件的時候法案的時候也有看過吧有但是宗教為主的部分也有人做報告是\n但是它的宗教其實等於是配合了族群的不同嘛因為它的不同族群產生的不同的宗教這樣的狀況好 那如果回到我們的狀態來講的話呢其實剛剛也聽到非常多偉文的說明你就可以看出有些人是從宗教出發有些人是從族群出發有些人是從歷史來出發部長你有統計過這一次大家所有的提案狀況上面我們總共\n如果全部都採納的話我們要增加多少的假日紀念日嗎有26個提案你們剛剛提到了最少是增加一天那最多是增加9天這個是紀念日的部分沒有所有的提案所有的提案就是紀念日跟節日就是剛剛所說的有族群的方面的也有百公百業的也有宗教方面的也有因為是歲時祭儀譬如說這個農曆新年啊等等這些所以加在一起呢就是最多有達到9天好\n其實這個數字是遠超過現在的狀況那如果把這個九天的假期全部都開始放進去了的話對我們的社會現在的狀況你覺得影響是不是也應該一併提出來讓大家能夠了解之後我們才決定說是不是這些假期都有辦法去處理\n是謝謝委員的垂詢有關於那個各個委員所提出放假日的部分因為很難就是說做他們如果多放假9天的話會造成什麼的影響但是就我所了解應該就是說在勞動方面像我剛剛說的\n如果放假日的話全國的軍公教大概都會是一樣譬如說多放九天但是對於在私部門裡面尤其是在勞工勞動或者是公司行號企業文化裡面他們能不能承受說多放九天的時候有一些什麼樣子的影響那這個部分因為委員的提案因為26個委員提案裡面他們也沒有提到這方面的評估所以我們就很難去評估到後續的影響在哪裡我想\n今天各個委員從剛剛提案說明就已經這麼多人等一下每個人也都會問我想問的核心價值不外乎是剛剛提到兩個第一個就是我們對這些節日紀念日的價值意義是不是有共識才不會出現像這一次我們雖然在放228紀念日但是你看坊間這個出現在電視媒體上面的或者是我們的社群網路上面是什麼是歡慶228228是用來這樣歡慶的嗎\n228可以放假228可以去做休閒的活動這沒有問題但是在這之前社會是不是對228的這個意義放假紀念日的意義能夠有理解這就等同於是剛剛我聽到比如說823紀念日我也覺得這個紀念日很好啊但我想823紀念日真正的精神應該是在反共是在守護民主這個有沒有能夠提到\n行限紀念日 對啊 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