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00:02:30,708\n報告委員內政部所主管的方向就是紀念日跟節日那但是紀念日跟節日要不要放假的問題跟某一些特殊的假日是不是符合勞動的標準那可能還是勞動部來做這個法律上的解釋會比較好\n\n8\n00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:48,001\n我剛有跟委員報告過它有兩種不同的層次紀念日跟假日是一個層次放假是一個層次所以我們才要提出問你有沒有認同或者你有沒有參考別的國家我們再來提出說\n\n9\n00:02:48,781 --> 00:02:56,124\n但是你講的國家就是日本跟韓國但是你所爐裂的部分也是比我們更少的所以我事實上還是一樣我們國家有我們國家的整體的規則所以我們是有少也有多所以我們是要往上不是要看少的所以我們希望說你要做一個比例要來去看來去做一個修法\n\n10\n00:03:11,809 --> 00:03:18,593\n是的不是只有說我們看好不看壞的對不對看壞的怎麼進步啊所以不是修法而是要不要立法的問題對所以我們現在我們要問你這些問題就是說我們台灣民眾黨要提出來的就是主張我們教師節勞動節應列為國定假日希望我們全國統一放假這不僅尊重我們的\n\n11\n00:03:40,666 --> 00:03:53,480\n专业与劳动的价值也是提升劳工与教育工作者的保障所以我们希望说刚才的问你这些就是希望说我们要来去参考\n\n12\n00:03:56,263 --> 00:04:02,710\n各國的我們要來去做修法所以希望我們內政部這邊要支持所以此外我們勞動部目前就是非全國統一放假剛才你有講導致我們的公務人員還有勞工適用的標準又不同\n\n13\n00:04:16,304 --> 00:04:24,111\n所以甚至同一家人可能就出現一人放假一人上班這樣的狀況就影響我們整個社會的公平性與勞動權利所以我希望我們內政部這邊同意說用我們的版本統一放假的標準讓我們勞動節還有真正成為全國的放假日也確保勞動是我們享受同樣的休假權\n\n14\n00:04:44,508 --> 00:04:48,511\n這個就是我們提出的主張所以也部長你覺得要修這樣子是不是符合我們的勞動的權利謝謝麥委員的關心我剛有提到有關於紀念日跟節日的實施辦法是內政部的行政命令那現在我們要討論的是說我們有26個委員的版本希望把這個執法\n\n15\n00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:25,097\n行政命令變成是一個法律案那變成這個法律案在去年的十月下旬的時候內政部委員會邀請的學者專家還有很多工商團體在那邊呢我們非常仔細的拜讀之後仍然是沒有共識\n\n16\n00:05:29,159 --> 00:05:44,990\n那今天呢如果委員有26個委員的提案想把這個實施辦法變成是一個實施法律的法律案的時候就必須要在內政委員會的所有的委員或者是大院的其他委員有共識那我們有共識的話呢我們將會引以共識的方向來執行\n\n17\n00:05:49,032 --> 00:06:12,372\n達成共識才拿出來討論嘛沒有達成共識你決定就好啦所以我們今天就是要達成共識所以先生說你有沒有同意我們各個委員去討論才提出來但是你要同意內政部這邊有這樣子的打算有這樣子的機制我們勞動部也共同來去推但是不管任何委員去問你就說你要問勞動部\n\n18\n00:06:16,275 --> 00:06:41,500\n但是我們內政部也是有相關啊不能說我們就是問老東部還有我們的國定假日又在週二或週四這樣子的請教我們的部長一向現行的制度如何處理我們你覺得如何處理因為現在國定假日如果一到二或四的時候是\n\n19\n00:06:43,517 --> 00:07:08,849\n按照現在的行政命令如果你碰到是週二對不起週休二日的部分的話通常都會補班對所以我們才主張嘛所以說我們才主張就是取消就是我們的補班機制讓勞工真正的享受有假期不必要為了一天的放假再來補班這樣的模式的話\n\n20\n00:07:09,989 --> 00:07:24,748\n要对我们的企业还有劳动的双方都是不友善的做法我们希望说我们的内政部这边就是对这样子的补班我们希望是放假就是不要再去\n\n21\n00:07:25,929 --> 00:07:45,246\n這樣子放假就放假不要再去補班所以委員的意思就是說如果有任何我們國定假日是放假然後它是連假的方式然後下個禮拜或是擇期就不要再補班那這個如果你把它訂到我們的一個法律的母法的時候會不會剛好失掉它的彈性我跟委員報告目前我們所彈性是我們是\n\n22\n00:07:51,971 --> 00:08:16,918\n我們的勞工他們有權利去選擇但是我們勞工有權利選擇那軍公教有權利選擇嗎對啊我們就是要我現在我們要定的就是節日跟我們講過我們變成是法律案的時候他的補班日期就不需要有一定的公式是這樣子的話反而失掉彈性是覺得是企業跟勞工\n\n23\n00:08:18,659 --> 00:08:37,837\n你有數據有評估過嗎還是照你說你覺得這樣不合理或者這樣子不需要你有評估過有造成我們勞工跟企業的影響嗎我們的主張我們的要求我們希望說大家支持但是呢我們是有\n\n24\n00:08:38,658 --> 00:08:42,300\n依據有依據大家的需求來去修法但是你說有沒有影響你說這個是造成誰誰誰我們希望我們今天要講的我們希望說企業跟勞工你覺得是補班補假\n\n25\n00:08:57,466 --> 00:08:59,989\n這樣子的話我們提出來你覺得說有影響但是你有沒有依據有沒有評估有沒有數據影響企業還是說我們有提升我們的生產力有沒有明確的數據呢還是說我們提出來你覺得這個不行或者推給勞動部或者推給別人\n\n26\n00:09:18,306 --> 00:09:28,202\n報告委員我剛講過了五一勞動日本來是所有全國的勞工都放假這個跟勞動者原先的勞動權益並沒有影響是但是你把它變成全國一致所以我剛講過了所以我算你是公務人員你不能放\n\n27\n00:09:33,490 --> 00:09:36,551\n但是勞工可以放所以變成我們放假的時間希望多一點時間讓家庭日也家庭共同因為現在我們的工時就很長了但是我們放假就是夫妻放假一個放假一個不放假\n\n28\n00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:56,700\n小孩子又沒有人照顧又放在家裡所以我們希望我們的國定假日還有就是我們教師節勞動節我們是可以全國放假報告委員全國都放假誰去指揮交通誰去維持治安誰去保護國家安全\n\n29\n00:10:15,734 --> 00:10:38,168\n全國放假但是你覺得這樣子的話我們公司放假我們整個政府所以我剛剛講過五一勞動日本來就全國的勞工都放假我問你這樣子說我們政府沒有放假我們勞工放假你們政府放假的時候我們勞工要去辦事情誰來辦我們政府不要講你們政府不是啊所以說我們的公務人員如果公務人員全部放假\n\n30\n00:10:38,988 --> 00:10:45,010\n我們勞工要來去辦事情所以你們公務人員全部放假的話勞工找誰來辦對不對我們教師姐我們勞工放假教師姐不放假所以她的小孩誰來照顧所以我們希望說我們要對勞工我們是有分公職跟勞工我們是要有公務人員\n\n31\n00:11:04,335 --> 00:11:12,100\n但是大家都是在為上班的時間是一樣的我們就是早上晚上這樣但是我們要去定這樣子的話我們變成我們影響整個家庭現在大家生育率都很少了如果整個家庭都沒有家庭日所以這樣子的話我覺得部長我們要求這樣子我覺得是很人性很符合我們的家庭\n\n32\n00:11:32,652 --> 00:11:39,795\n希望我們的家庭更好因為每一個人在外打拼都是為了我們的家庭為了我們的小孩但是公放假婆不放假婆放假公不放假小孩就是沒人照顧所以變成我們要一致性讓大家有這個家庭日所以希望說我們部長要回應不好意思\n\n33\n00:11:59,110 --> 00:12:01,792\n我們的休假是勞動基準的權利也因為我們的工時太長所以我們希望視為說同樣的教師節還有勞動節是各放一天還有我們希望也不要再去補班所以保障我們的權利還有交易\n\n34\n00:12:20,409 --> 00:12:23,611\n的工作權利以上希望我們的部長就是要謹慎去考慮我們的權利讓我們家庭更幸福更美滿還有經濟更好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7642\t33545\t主席好 有請我們內政部部長劉思邦部長有請麥委員好部長好請教部長一下我們台灣目前我們的國定假日是有可以放多少天國定假日可以放多少天對啊 目前我們台灣是放多少天目前的台灣的國定假日可以放多少天\n38857\t43781\t如果週末不算就是六日不算的話是十一天國定假日就十一天覺得這樣子\n49563\t65994\t會不會太少因為國定假日有很多我們的紀念日還有就是其他的節日所以我們只有11天但是我看是12天但是不知道是不是說錯了勞動節5月1號是針對全國的勞工\n70397\t89285\t所以如果算上去的话是12天但是我们看到的是说我们邻居的国家就像日本韩国泰国他们的放假日我们部长知道是比我们更多吗有多少你知道吗\n90346\t115314\t因為麥委員所放在你的Pollpoint上面的很多國家我想就是按照上面的文章所寫的這份對 因為日本 韓國 泰國這個都是放假日是鄰近的國家比我們多對 答案就是說日本是16天我們韓國15天 泰國是20天所以 但是我們台灣的工時又長\n116454\t129882\t假日又少 國定假日數量 鄰居的國家又比較低所以我們內政部這邊是否這樣的政策方向你覺得符合我們勞工的需求嗎\n131569\t150708\t報告委員內政部所主管的方向就是紀念日跟節日那但是紀念日跟節日要不要放假的問題跟某一些特殊的假日是不是符合勞動的標準那可能還是勞動部來做這個法律上的解釋會比較好\n152770\t168001\t我剛有跟委員報告過 它有兩種不同的層次 紀念日跟假日是一個層次 放假是一個層次所以我們才要提出 問你有沒有認同 或者你有沒有參考別的國家 我們再來提出說\n168781\t176124\t但是你講的國家就是日本跟韓國但是你所爐裂的部分也是比我們更少的所以我事實上還是一樣我們國家有我們國家的整體的規則所以我們是有少也有多所以我們是要往上不是要看少的所以我們希望說你要做一個比例要來去看來去做一個修法\n191809\t198593\t是的不是只有說我們看好不看壞的對不對看壞的怎麼進步啊所以不是修法而是要不要立法的問題對所以我們現在我們要問你這些問題就是說我們台灣民眾黨要提出來的就是主張我們教師節勞動節應列為國定假日希望我們全國統一放假這不僅尊重我們的\n220666\t233480\t专业与劳动的价值也是提升劳工与教育工作者的保障所以我们希望说刚才的问你这些就是希望说我们要来去参考\n236263\t242710\t各國的我們要來去做修法所以希望我們內政部這邊要支持所以此外我們勞動部目前就是非全國統一放假剛才你有講導致我們的公務人員還有勞工適用的標準又不同\n256304\t264111\t所以甚至同一家人可能就出現一人放假一人上班這樣的狀況就影響我們整個社會的公平性與勞動權利所以我希望我們內政部這邊同意說用我們的版本統一放假的標準讓我們勞動節還有真正成為全國的放假日也確保勞動是我們享受同樣的休假權\n284508\t288511\t這個就是我們提出的主張所以也部長你覺得要修這樣子是不是符合我們的勞動的權利謝謝麥委員的關心我剛有提到有關於紀念日跟節日的實施辦法是內政部的行政命令那現在我們要討論的是說我們有26個委員的版本希望把這個執法\n312550\t325097\t行政命令變成是一個法律案那變成這個法律案在去年的十月下旬的時候內政部委員會邀請的學者專家還有很多工商團體在那邊呢我們非常仔細的拜讀之後仍然是沒有共識\n329159\t344990\t那今天呢如果委員有26個委員的提案想把這個實施辦法變成是一個實施法律的法律案的時候就必須要在內政委員會的所有的委員或者是大院的其他委員有共識那我們有共識的話呢我們將會引以共識的方向來執行\n349032\t372372\t達成共識才拿出來討論嘛沒有達成共識你決定就好啦所以我們今天就是要達成共識所以先生說你有沒有同意我們各個委員去討論才提出來但是你要同意內政部這邊有這樣子的打算有這樣子的機制我們勞動部也共同來去推但是不管任何委員去問你就說你要問勞動部\n376275\t401500\t但是我們內政部也是有相關啊不能說我們就是問老東部還有我們的國定假日又在週二或週四這樣子的請教我們的部長一向現行的制度如何處理我們你覺得如何處理因為現在國定假日如果一到二或四的時候是\n403517\t428849\t按照現在的行政命令如果你碰到是週二對不起 週休二日的部分的話通常都會補班對 所以我們才主張嘛所以說我們才主張就是取消就是我們的補班機制讓勞工真正的享受有假期不必要為了一天的放假再來補班這樣的模式的話\n429989\t444748\t要对我们的企业还有劳动的双方都是不友善的做法我们希望说我们的内政部这边就是对这样子的补班我们希望是放假就是不要再去\n445929\t465246\t這樣子放假就放假不要再去補班所以委員的意思就是說如果有任何我們國定假日是放假然後它是連假的方式然後下個禮拜或是擇期就不要再補班那這個如果你把它訂到我們的一個法律的母法的時候會不會剛好失掉它的彈性我跟委員報告目前我們所彈性是我們是\n471971\t496918\t我們的勞工他們有權利去選擇但是我們勞工有權利選擇那軍公教有權利選擇嗎對啊我們就是要我現在我們要定的就是節日跟我們講過我們變成是法律案的時候他的補班日期就不需要有一定的公式是這樣子的話反而失掉彈性是覺得是企業跟勞工\n498659\t517837\t你有數據有評估過嗎還是照你說你覺得這樣不合理或者這樣子不需要你有評估過有造成我們勞工跟企業的影響嗎我們的主張我們的要求我們希望說大家支持但是呢我們是有\n518658\t522300\t依據有依據大家的需求來去修法但是你說有沒有影響你說這個是造成誰誰誰我們希望我們今天要講的我們希望說企業跟勞工你覺得是補班補假\n537466\t539989\t這樣子的話我們提出來你覺得說有影響但是你有沒有依據有沒有評估有沒有數據影響企業還是說我們有提升我們的生產力有沒有明確的數據呢還是說我們提出來你覺得這個不行或者推給勞動部或者推給別人\n558306\t568202\t報告委員我剛講過了五一勞動日本來是所有全國的勞工都放假這個跟勞動者原先的勞動權益並沒有影響是但是你把它變成全國一致所以我剛講過了所以我算你是公務人員你不能放\n573490\t576551\t但是勞工可以放所以變成我們放假的時間希望多一點時間讓家庭日也家庭共同因為現在我們的工時就很長了但是我們放假就是夫妻放假一個放假一個不放假\n592896\t596700\t小孩子又沒有人照顧 又放在家裡所以我們希望我們的國定假日還有就是我們教師節 勞動節我們是可以全國放假報告委員 全國都放假誰去指揮交通 誰去維持治安 誰去保護國家安全\n615734\t638168\t全國放假但是你覺得這樣子的話我們公司放假我們整個政府所以我剛剛講過五一勞動日本來就全國的勞工都放假我問你這樣子說我們政府沒有放假我們勞工放假你們政府放假的時候我們勞工要去辦事情誰來辦我們政府不要講你們政府不是啊所以說我們的公務人員如果公務人員全部放假\n638988\t645010\t我們勞工要來去辦事情所以你們公務人員全部放假的話勞工找誰來辦對不對 我們教師姐我們勞工放假 教師姐不放假所以她的小孩誰來照顧所以我們希望說我們要對勞工我們是有分公職跟勞工我們是要有公務人員\n664335\t672100\t但是大家都是在為上班的時間是一樣的我們就是早上晚上這樣但是我們要去定這樣子的話我們變成我們影響整個家庭現在大家生育率都很少了如果整個家庭都沒有家庭日所以這樣子的話我覺得部長我們要求這樣子我覺得是很人性很符合我們的家庭\n692652\t699795\t希望我們的家庭更好因為每一個人在外打拼都是為了我們的家庭為了我們的小孩但是公放假婆不放假婆放假公不放假小孩就是沒人照顧所以變成我們要一致性讓大家有這個家庭日所以希望說我們部長要回應不好意思\n719110\t721792\t我們的休假是勞動基準的權利也因為我們的工時太長所以我們希望視為說同樣的教師節還有勞動節是各放一天還有我們希望也不要再去補班所以保障我們的權利還有交易\n740409\t743611\t的工作權利以上希望我們的部長就是要謹慎去考慮我們的權利讓我們家庭更幸福更美滿還有經濟更好以上謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 有請我們內政部部長劉思邦部長有請麥委員好部長好請教部長一下我們台灣目前我們的國定假日是有可以放多少天國定假日可以放多少天對啊 目前我們台灣是放多少天目前的台灣的國定假日可以放多少天\n如果週末不算就是六日不算的話是十一天國定假日就十一天覺得這樣子\n會不會太少因為國定假日有很多我們的紀念日還有就是其他的節日所以我們只有11天但是我看是12天但是不知道是不是說錯了勞動節5月1號是針對全國的勞工\n所以如果算上去的话是12天但是我们看到的是说我们邻居的国家就像日本韩国泰国他们的放假日我们部长知道是比我们更多吗有多少你知道吗\n因為麥委員所放在你的Pollpoint上面的很多國家我想就是按照上面的文章所寫的這份對 因為日本 韓國 泰國這個都是放假日是鄰近的國家比我們多對 答案就是說日本是16天我們韓國15天 泰國是20天所以 但是我們台灣的工時又長\n假日又少 國定假日數量 鄰居的國家又比較低所以我們內政部這邊是否這樣的政策方向你覺得符合我們勞工的需求嗎\n報告委員內政部所主管的方向就是紀念日跟節日那但是紀念日跟節日要不要放假的問題跟某一些特殊的假日是不是符合勞動的標準那可能還是勞動部來做這個法律上的解釋會比較好\n我剛有跟委員報告過 它有兩種不同的層次 紀念日跟假日是一個層次 放假是一個層次所以我們才要提出 問你有沒有認同 或者你有沒有參考別的國家 我們再來提出說\n但是你講的國家就是日本跟韓國但是你所爐裂的部分也是比我們更少的所以我事實上還是一樣我們國家有我們國家的整體的規則所以我們是有少也有多所以我們是要往上不是要看少的所以我們希望說你要做一個比例要來去看來去做一個修法\n是的不是只有說我們看好不看壞的對不對看壞的怎麼進步啊所以不是修法而是要不要立法的問題對所以我們現在我們要問你這些問題就是說我們台灣民眾黨要提出來的就是主張我們教師節勞動節應列為國定假日希望我們全國統一放假這不僅尊重我們的\n专业与劳动的价值也是提升劳工与教育工作者的保障所以我们希望说刚才的问你这些就是希望说我们要来去参考\n各國的我們要來去做修法所以希望我們內政部這邊要支持所以此外我們勞動部目前就是非全國統一放假剛才你有講導致我們的公務人員還有勞工適用的標準又不同\n所以甚至同一家人可能就出現一人放假一人上班這樣的狀況就影響我們整個社會的公平性與勞動權利所以我希望我們內政部這邊同意說用我們的版本統一放假的標準讓我們勞動節還有真正成為全國的放假日也確保勞動是我們享受同樣的休假權\n這個就是我們提出的主張所以也部長你覺得要修這樣子是不是符合我們的勞動的權利謝謝麥委員的關心我剛有提到有關於紀念日跟節日的實施辦法是內政部的行政命令那現在我們要討論的是說我們有26個委員的版本希望把這個執法\n行政命令變成是一個法律案那變成這個法律案在去年的十月下旬的時候內政部委員會邀請的學者專家還有很多工商團體在那邊呢我們非常仔細的拜讀之後仍然是沒有共識\n那今天呢如果委員有26個委員的提案想把這個實施辦法變成是一個實施法律的法律案的時候就必須要在內政委員會的所有的委員或者是大院的其他委員有共識那我們有共識的話呢我們將會引以共識的方向來執行\n達成共識才拿出來討論嘛沒有達成共識你決定就好啦所以我們今天就是要達成共識所以先生說你有沒有同意我們各個委員去討論才提出來但是你要同意內政部這邊有這樣子的打算有這樣子的機制我們勞動部也共同來去推但是不管任何委員去問你就說你要問勞動部\n但是我們內政部也是有相關啊不能說我們就是問老東部還有我們的國定假日又在週二或週四這樣子的請教我們的部長一向現行的制度如何處理我們你覺得如何處理因為現在國定假日如果一到二或四的時候是\n按照現在的行政命令如果你碰到是週二對不起 週休二日的部分的話通常都會補班對 所以我們才主張嘛所以說我們才主張就是取消就是我們的補班機制讓勞工真正的享受有假期不必要為了一天的放假再來補班這樣的模式的話\n要对我们的企业还有劳动的双方都是不友善的做法我们希望说我们的内政部这边就是对这样子的补班我们希望是放假就是不要再去\n這樣子放假就放假不要再去補班所以委員的意思就是說如果有任何我們國定假日是放假然後它是連假的方式然後下個禮拜或是擇期就不要再補班那這個如果你把它訂到我們的一個法律的母法的時候會不會剛好失掉它的彈性我跟委員報告目前我們所彈性是我們是\n我們的勞工他們有權利去選擇但是我們勞工有權利選擇那軍公教有權利選擇嗎對啊我們就是要我現在我們要定的就是節日跟我們講過我們變成是法律案的時候他的補班日期就不需要有一定的公式是這樣子的話反而失掉彈性是覺得是企業跟勞工\n你有數據有評估過嗎還是照你說你覺得這樣不合理或者這樣子不需要你有評估過有造成我們勞工跟企業的影響嗎我們的主張我們的要求我們希望說大家支持但是呢我們是有\n依據有依據大家的需求來去修法但是你說有沒有影響你說這個是造成誰誰誰我們希望我們今天要講的我們希望說企業跟勞工你覺得是補班補假\n這樣子的話我們提出來你覺得說有影響但是你有沒有依據有沒有評估有沒有數據影響企業還是說我們有提升我們的生產力有沒有明確的數據呢還是說我們提出來你覺得這個不行或者推給勞動部或者推給別人\n報告委員我剛講過了五一勞動日本來是所有全國的勞工都放假這個跟勞動者原先的勞動權益並沒有影響是但是你把它變成全國一致所以我剛講過了所以我算你是公務人員你不能放\n但是勞工可以放所以變成我們放假的時間希望多一點時間讓家庭日也家庭共同因為現在我們的工時就很長了但是我們放假就是夫妻放假一個放假一個不放假\n小孩子又沒有人照顧 又放在家裡所以我們希望我們的國定假日還有就是我們教師節 勞動節我們是可以全國放假報告委員 全國都放假誰去指揮交通 誰去維持治安 誰去保護國家安全\n全國放假但是你覺得這樣子的話我們公司放假我們整個政府所以我剛剛講過五一勞動日本來就全國的勞工都放假我問你這樣子說我們政府沒有放假我們勞工放假你們政府放假的時候我們勞工要去辦事情誰來辦我們政府不要講你們政府不是啊所以說我們的公務人員如果公務人員全部放假\n我們勞工要來去辦事情所以你們公務人員全部放假的話勞工找誰來辦對不對 我們教師姐我們勞工放假 教師姐不放假所以她的小孩誰來照顧所以我們希望說我們要對勞工我們是有分公職跟勞工我們是要有公務人員\n但是大家都是在為上班的時間是一樣的我們就是早上晚上這樣但是我們要去定這樣子的話我們變成我們影響整個家庭現在大家生育率都很少了如果整個家庭都沒有家庭日所以這樣子的話我覺得部長我們要求這樣子我覺得是很人性很符合我們的家庭\n希望我們的家庭更好因為每一個人在外打拼都是為了我們的家庭為了我們的小孩但是公放假婆不放假婆放假公不放假小孩就是沒人照顧所以變成我們要一致性讓大家有這個家庭日所以希望說我們部長要回應不好意思\n我們的休假是勞動基準的權利也因為我們的工時太長所以我們希望視為說同樣的教師節還有勞動節是各放一天還有我們希望也不要再去補班所以保障我們的權利還有交易\n的工作權利以上希望我們的部長就是要謹慎去考慮我們的權利讓我們家庭更幸福更美滿還有經濟更好以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.642 --> 00:33.545\n主席好有請我們內政部部長劉思邦部長有請麥委員好部長好請教部長一下我們台灣目前我們的國定假日是有可以放多少天國定假日可以放多少天對啊目前我們台灣是放多少天目前的台灣的國定假日可以放多少天\n\n00:38.857 --> 00:43.781\n如果週末不算就是六日不算的話是十一天國定假日就十一天覺得這樣子\n\n00:49.563 --> 01:05.994\n會不會太少因為國定假日有很多我們的紀念日還有就是其他的節日所以我們只有11天但是我看是12天但是不知道是不是說錯了勞動節5月1號是針對全國的勞工\n\n01:10.397 --> 01:29.285\n所以如果算上去的话是12天但是我们看到的是说我们邻居的国家就像日本韩国泰国他们的放假日我们部长知道是比我们更多吗有多少你知道吗\n\n01:30.346 --> 01:55.314\n因為麥委員所放在你的Pollpoint上面的很多國家我想就是按照上面的文章所寫的這份對因為日本韓國泰國這個都是放假日是鄰近的國家比我們多對答案就是說日本是16天我們韓國15天泰國是20天所以但是我們台灣的工時又長\n\n01:56.454 --> 02:09.882\n假日又少國定假日數量鄰居的國家又比較低所以我們內政部這邊是否這樣的政策方向你覺得符合我們勞工的需求嗎\n\n02:11.569 --> 02:30.708\n報告委員內政部所主管的方向就是紀念日跟節日那但是紀念日跟節日要不要放假的問題跟某一些特殊的假日是不是符合勞動的標準那可能還是勞動部來做這個法律上的解釋會比較好\n\n02:32.770 --> 02:48.001\n我剛有跟委員報告過它有兩種不同的層次紀念日跟假日是一個層次放假是一個層次所以我們才要提出問你有沒有認同或者你有沒有參考別的國家我們再來提出說\n\n02:48.781 --> 02:56.124\n但是你講的國家就是日本跟韓國但是你所爐裂的部分也是比我們更少的所以我事實上還是一樣我們國家有我們國家的整體的規則所以我們是有少也有多所以我們是要往上不是要看少的所以我們希望說你要做一個比例要來去看來去做一個修法\n\n03:11.809 --> 03:18.593\n是的不是只有說我們看好不看壞的對不對看壞的怎麼進步啊所以不是修法而是要不要立法的問題對所以我們現在我們要問你這些問題就是說我們台灣民眾黨要提出來的就是主張我們教師節勞動節應列為國定假日希望我們全國統一放假這不僅尊重我們的\n\n03:40.666 --> 03:53.480\n专业与劳动的价值也是提升劳工与教育工作者的保障所以我们希望说刚才的问你这些就是希望说我们要来去参考\n\n03:56.263 --> 04:02.710\n各國的我們要來去做修法所以希望我們內政部這邊要支持所以此外我們勞動部目前就是非全國統一放假剛才你有講導致我們的公務人員還有勞工適用的標準又不同\n\n04:16.304 --> 04:24.111\n所以甚至同一家人可能就出現一人放假一人上班這樣的狀況就影響我們整個社會的公平性與勞動權利所以我希望我們內政部這邊同意說用我們的版本統一放假的標準讓我們勞動節還有真正成為全國的放假日也確保勞動是我們享受同樣的休假權\n\n04:44.508 --> 04:48.511\n這個就是我們提出的主張所以也部長你覺得要修這樣子是不是符合我們的勞動的權利謝謝麥委員的關心我剛有提到有關於紀念日跟節日的實施辦法是內政部的行政命令那現在我們要討論的是說我們有26個委員的版本希望把這個執法\n\n05:12.550 --> 05:25.097\n行政命令變成是一個法律案那變成這個法律案在去年的十月下旬的時候內政部委員會邀請的學者專家還有很多工商團體在那邊呢我們非常仔細的拜讀之後仍然是沒有共識\n\n05:29.159 --> 05:44.990\n那今天呢如果委員有26個委員的提案想把這個實施辦法變成是一個實施法律的法律案的時候就必須要在內政委員會的所有的委員或者是大院的其他委員有共識那我們有共識的話呢我們將會引以共識的方向來執行\n\n05:49.032 --> 06:12.372\n達成共識才拿出來討論嘛沒有達成共識你決定就好啦所以我們今天就是要達成共識所以先生說你有沒有同意我們各個委員去討論才提出來但是你要同意內政部這邊有這樣子的打算有這樣子的機制我們勞動部也共同來去推但是不管任何委員去問你就說你要問勞動部\n\n06:16.275 --> 06:41.500\n但是我們內政部也是有相關啊不能說我們就是問老東部還有我們的國定假日又在週二或週四這樣子的請教我們的部長一向現行的制度如何處理我們你覺得如何處理因為現在國定假日如果一到二或四的時候是\n\n06:43.517 --> 07:08.849\n按照現在的行政命令如果你碰到是週二對不起週休二日的部分的話通常都會補班對所以我們才主張嘛所以說我們才主張就是取消就是我們的補班機制讓勞工真正的享受有假期不必要為了一天的放假再來補班這樣的模式的話\n\n07:09.989 --> 07:24.748\n要对我们的企业还有劳动的双方都是不友善的做法我们希望说我们的内政部这边就是对这样子的补班我们希望是放假就是不要再去\n\n07:25.929 --> 07:45.246\n這樣子放假就放假不要再去補班所以委員的意思就是說如果有任何我們國定假日是放假然後它是連假的方式然後下個禮拜或是擇期就不要再補班那這個如果你把它訂到我們的一個法律的母法的時候會不會剛好失掉它的彈性我跟委員報告目前我們所彈性是我們是\n\n07:51.971 --> 08:16.918\n我們的勞工他們有權利去選擇但是我們勞工有權利選擇那軍公教有權利選擇嗎對啊我們就是要我現在我們要定的就是節日跟我們講過我們變成是法律案的時候他的補班日期就不需要有一定的公式是這樣子的話反而失掉彈性是覺得是企業跟勞工\n\n08:18.659 --> 08:37.837\n你有數據有評估過嗎還是照你說你覺得這樣不合理或者這樣子不需要你有評估過有造成我們勞工跟企業的影響嗎我們的主張我們的要求我們希望說大家支持但是呢我們是有\n\n08:38.658 --> 08:42.300\n依據有依據大家的需求來去修法但是你說有沒有影響你說這個是造成誰誰誰我們希望我們今天要講的我們希望說企業跟勞工你覺得是補班補假\n\n08:57.466 --> 08:59.989\n這樣子的話我們提出來你覺得說有影響但是你有沒有依據有沒有評估有沒有數據影響企業還是說我們有提升我們的生產力有沒有明確的數據呢還是說我們提出來你覺得這個不行或者推給勞動部或者推給別人\n\n09:18.306 --> 09:28.202\n報告委員我剛講過了五一勞動日本來是所有全國的勞工都放假這個跟勞動者原先的勞動權益並沒有影響是但是你把它變成全國一致所以我剛講過了所以我算你是公務人員你不能放\n\n09:33.490 --> 09:36.551\n但是勞工可以放所以變成我們放假的時間希望多一點時間讓家庭日也家庭共同因為現在我們的工時就很長了但是我們放假就是夫妻放假一個放假一個不放假\n\n09:52.896 --> 09:56.700\n小孩子又沒有人照顧又放在家裡所以我們希望我們的國定假日還有就是我們教師節勞動節我們是可以全國放假報告委員全國都放假誰去指揮交通誰去維持治安誰去保護國家安全\n\n10:15.734 --> 10:38.168\n全國放假但是你覺得這樣子的話我們公司放假我們整個政府所以我剛剛講過五一勞動日本來就全國的勞工都放假我問你這樣子說我們政府沒有放假我們勞工放假你們政府放假的時候我們勞工要去辦事情誰來辦我們政府不要講你們政府不是啊所以說我們的公務人員如果公務人員全部放假\n\n10:38.988 --> 10:45.010\n我們勞工要來去辦事情所以你們公務人員全部放假的話勞工找誰來辦對不對我們教師姐我們勞工放假教師姐不放假所以她的小孩誰來照顧所以我們希望說我們要對勞工我們是有分公職跟勞工我們是要有公務人員\n\n11:04.335 --> 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Kacaw","李彥秀","李坤城","葉元之","陳瑩"],"page_start":317,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142701_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；二、審查委員高金素梅等18人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條\n例草案」案；四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法\n草案」案；五、審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；六、審查委員陳\n玉珍等16 人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案；七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；八、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「國家紀念日及\n節日實施法草案」案；九、審查委員王鴻薇等19 人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；\n十、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十二、審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施\n條例草案」案；十三、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十四、審\n查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十五、審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具\n「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十六、審查委員許智傑等30人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實\n施條例草案」案；十七、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十八、\n審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十九、審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬\n具「國定假日法草案」案；二十、審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案\n【僅詢答及宣讀條文】","agenda_id":"1142701_00007"}}}