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00:01:29,346\n而不是去慶祝這一天這是紀念日好國慶日的放假還有行縣紀念日行縣紀念日要不要放假你記得憲法的五權分立嗎你記得憲法對於立法院的規定等等嗎要不要放假這個其實可以來討論那第二個就是民俗節日的放假包含過年農曆春節然後包含端午節中秋節包含快要\n\n5\n00:01:31,247 --> 00:01:41,657\n即將來臨的掃墓節清明節然後還有一個就是節日的放假包含兒童節跟這個清明節連在一起那軍人節要不要放假\n\n6\n00:01:43,109 --> 00:02:10,126\n那勞動節要不要放假這個是大家要今天接下來要討論的東西好更多的版本現在提到對於族群文化的重視包含原住民文化到底要不要放假包含客家文化到底要不要放假多元族群到底要不要放假多元族群包含有委員也提出來國民體育日國家防災日要不要放假這個都是在這個族群方面的\n\n7\n00:02:10,566 --> 00:02:35,255\n好特殊的節日包含警察節要不要紀念要不要放假消防節要不要紀念要不要放假教師節要不要紀念要不要放假一共所有這些版本加起來目前我們的這個節日放假的節日一共有11天那我們把剛剛我這樣細數過來的所有的版本加起來會增加到32天\n\n8\n00:02:37,415 --> 00:02:55,183\n那會增加到32天跟這個部長我們想要討論的是釐清的就是說節日跟國定假日要不要放在一起紀念日跟假日紀念日要不要一定放假可不可以請部長說明一下紀念日跟放假的概念我們到底要\n\n9\n00:02:56,104 --> 00:03:10,220\n謝謝委員的垂詢我也非常關心這個議題我想我們剛剛有提到說這要分兩個層次來看待一個就是如果他是假日或是節日的話呢他會有訂定的辦法但是假日跟節日到底要不要放假\n\n10\n00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:18,202\n那就是由目的事業主管機關跟相關的機關會同來實施現在是現行的辦法是這樣子那目前我們在執行的過程當中呢當然會碰到一些困擾就是剛剛大家所說的如果你的連假很長那補班的時候要不要補班那我們就是擔心補班會造成困擾所以會在前一年度人事行政總局就會對外公佈像譬如說今年的整個的放假天數跟包括要補班或者是要連假的部分在去年的11月左右\n\n11\n00:03:39,628 --> 00:03:58,986\n就會對外來公佈那這個呢只能規範到就是公務系統的軍公教那但是因為我們台灣的很多企業界他是跟著公務部門一起放假的所以就變成行政院的人事行政總署發出去那個針對全國的軍公教放假補班留班日等等這些他們就跟著一起\n\n12\n00:04:00,687 --> 00:04:21,899\n來執行那當然這有方便跟不方便的地方那所以現在呢把它立法以後呢會變成會比較共識會比較難會變成今年有今年的法律明年有明年的法律那我們變成年年都要修法才能夠訂定那一年什麼時候放假什麼時候不放假就是我們認為說倉促入法呢會比較沒有共識的原因之一\n\n13\n00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:42,324\n對所以沒有人說這個應該放這個不應該放但是其實現在的法律就可以讓大家的上班日跟放假日會比較有彈性一點的去讓我講最簡單的接下來是勞動部來部長你先請回座接下來是勞動部的執行一對夫妻啊\n\n14\n00:04:43,322 --> 00:05:01,503\n那現在一個先生可能是公務員那太太可能是勞工那遇到強制要放假的時候勞工還是要輪班嘛那輪班對企業主來講企業主來講他可能就是付兩倍的薪水\n\n15\n00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:18,403\n但是對更多的這些庶民經濟來講我講的是比如說咖啡店比如說這些很小的餐飲我在高雄有一家很有名的牛肉麵店他曾經就貼出來了那一天讓我非常扼腕那一天就是一個連假嘛\n\n16\n00:05:20,112 --> 00:05:44,456\n連假休息很正常通常他都外面都會貼說4月3號到5號這個清明連假放假沒有他是貼說我請不到人休假但是不知道什麼時候可以請到人那什麼什麼時候遇到這種狀況當這個我們強制他要這個國定假日休假到你如果說到現在的版本32天的話那會產生什麼什麼什麼狀況\n\n17\n00:05:49,284 --> 00:06:16,026\n先生可能公務員他就放假了嘛那太太他可能必須也跟著先生放假他有他的選擇他不要領兩倍的薪水他有他的選擇他也放假他也放假的話這一個可能咖啡店或可能這一個小餐廳他就出現剛剛我講的這個狀況貼了貼紙出來說我沒有辦法營業因為我們假日沒有人營業另外一種狀況就是這個僱主\n\n18\n00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:49,282\n當這個僱主每次遇到這些連假的時候都找不到人的時候都沒有人可以輪班的時候這家店其實他不只面臨這些這些固定假日他要休息這家店很有可能他會走向關門他會因為找不到找不到這個員工關門那我們也不是反對我們是覺得這32天的提出來的這些不管是紀念日或者是假日跟台灣現在目前\n\n19\n00:06:49,921 --> 00:07:18,247\n所這樣運行的這些狀況加上一例一休執行以來的這些狀況必須要切合現在台灣社會的狀況那次長我想請教你從一例一休以來目前台灣所有勞工的這些一例一休的比例有做多大的提升是謝謝委員跟委員報導那個我們勞動部有調查2015年就一例一休修法之前\n\n20\n00:07:19,212 --> 00:07:39,989\n有事業單位規定勞工每週工作五天的那個事業單位的比例大概是76%可是到接下來一例修法之後就逐年的增加到2021年事業單位規定勞工每週工作只要五天的事業單位比例已經提升到87%87%對87%等於\n\n21\n00:07:44,013 --> 00:08:00,889\n增加了12%同樣的勞工的部分也一樣就是說2016年是勞工在事業單位規定下勞工每週工作5天的比例其實是86%可是到2021年已經增加到94%\n\n22\n00:08:02,430 --> 00:08:23,262\n也就是說其實依你這個數字來講增加到90幾%的話其實現在所有我剛剛講的很多的這些實體的小店面其實它已經試行這個最容易發生問題的就是在10人以下的你做這個改變的時候它必須要做快速的因應所以我覺得還是需要社會廣泛的多討論接下來我們這個討論到底要讓台灣社會\n\n23\n00:08:26,985 --> 00:08:31,914\n放多少價那這些小店家是可以承受的是謝謝同意委員好謝謝李柏毅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13582\t16704\t謝謝 有請劉部長跟勞動部次長劉部長 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我也非常關心這個議題我想我們剛剛有提到說這要分兩個層次來看待一個就是如果他是假日或是節日的話呢他會有訂定的辦法但是假日跟節日到底要不要放假\n190700\t198202\t那就是由目的事業主管機關跟相關的機關會同來實施現在是現行的辦法是這樣子那目前我們在執行的過程當中呢當然會碰到一些困擾就是剛剛大家所說的如果你的連假很長那補班的時候要不要補班那我們就是擔心補班會造成困擾所以會在前一年度人事行政總局就會對外公佈像譬如說今年的整個的放假天數跟包括要補班或者是要連假的部分在去年的11月左右\n219628\t238986\t就會對外來公佈那這個呢只能規範到就是公務系統的軍公教那但是因為我們台灣的很多企業界他是跟著公務部門一起放假的所以就變成行政院的人事行政總署發出去那個針對全國的軍公教放假補班留班日等等這些他們就跟著一起\n240687\t261899\t來執行那當然這有方便跟不方便的地方那所以現在呢把它立法以後呢會變成會比較共識會比較難會變成今年有今年的法律明年有明年的法律那我們變成年年都要修法才能夠訂定那一年什麼時候放假什麼時候不放假就是我們認為說倉促入法呢會比較沒有共識的原因之一\n262399\t282324\t對所以沒有人說這個應該放這個不應該放但是其實現在的法律就可以讓大家的上班日跟放假日會比較有彈性一點的去讓我講最簡單的接下來是勞動部來部長你先請回座接下來是勞動部的執行一對夫妻啊\n283322\t301503\t那現在一個先生可能是公務員那太太可能是勞工那遇到強制要放假的時候勞工還是要輪班嘛那輪班對企業主來講企業主來講他可能就是付兩倍的薪水\n302093\t318403\t但是對更多的這些庶民經濟來講我講的是比如說咖啡店比如說這些很小的餐飲我在高雄有一家很有名的牛肉麵店他曾經就貼出來了那一天讓我非常扼腕那一天就是一個連假嘛\n320112\t344456\t連假休息很正常通常他都外面都會貼說4月3號到5號這個清明連假放假沒有他是貼說我請不到人休假但是不知道什麼時候可以請到人那什麼什麼時候遇到這種狀況當這個我們強制他要這個國定假日休假到你如果說到現在的版本32天的話那會產生什麼什麼什麼狀況\n349284\t376026\t先生可能公務員他就放假了嘛那太太他可能必須也跟著先生放假他有他的選擇他不要領兩倍的薪水他有他的選擇他也放假他也放假的話這一個可能咖啡店或可能這一個小餐廳他就出現剛剛我講的這個狀況貼了貼紙出來說我沒有辦法營業因為我們假日沒有人營業另外一種狀況就是這個僱主\n380390\t409282\t當這個僱主每次遇到這些連假的時候都找不到人的時候都沒有人可以輪班的時候這家店其實他不只面臨這些這些固定假日他要休息這家店很有可能他會走向關門他會因為找不到找不到這個員工關門那我們也不是反對我們是覺得這32天的提出來的這些不管是紀念日或者是假日跟台灣現在目前\n409921\t438247\t所這樣運行的這些狀況加上一例一休執行以來的這些狀況必須要切合現在台灣社會的狀況那次長我想請教你從一例一休以來目前台灣所有勞工的這些一例一休的比例有做多大的提升是謝謝委員跟委員報導那個我們勞動部有調查2015年就一例一休修法之前\n439212\t459989\t有事業單位規定勞工每週工作五天的那個事業單位的比例大概是76%可是到接下來一例修法之後就逐年的增加到2021年事業單位規定勞工每週工作只要五天的事業單位比例已經提升到87%87%對87%等於\n464013\t480889\t增加了12%同樣的勞工的部分也一樣就是說2016年是勞工在事業單位規定下勞工每週工作5天的比例其實是86%可是到2021年已經增加到94%\n482430\t503262\t也就是說其實依你這個數字來講增加到90幾%的話其實現在所有我剛剛講的很多的這些實體的小店面其實它已經試行這個最容易發生問題的就是在10人以下的你做這個改變的時候它必須要做快速的因應所以我覺得還是需要社會廣泛的多討論接下來我們這個討論到底要讓台灣社會\n506985\t511914\t放多少價 那這些小店家是可以承受的是 謝謝 同意委員好 謝謝李柏毅委員\n","txt":"謝謝 有請劉部長跟勞動部次長劉部長 李次長有請李委員好部長好\n今天是審查這個紀念日跟節日的實施草案剛剛很多委員也講得非常清楚那部長論述更清楚多數委員的版本都提出要把這些放假的日期改成法律未接那其實事實上剛剛也講得很清楚這其實是用行政方法就可以處理那我把它歸類成幾個第一個就是紀念日的放假紀念日的放假就是包含這個1月1號\n然後我們的和平紀念日要講清楚這和平紀念日是要紀念是要記得這一天\n而不是去慶祝這一天 這是紀念日好 國慶日的放假 還有行縣紀念日行縣紀念日要不要放假你記得憲法的五權分立嗎你記得憲法對於立法院的規定等等嗎要不要放假 這個其實可以來討論那第二個就是民俗節日的放假包含過年農曆春節然後包含端午節 中秋節 包含快要\n即將來臨的掃墓節清明節然後還有一個就是節日的放假包含兒童節跟這個清明節連在一起那軍人節要不要放假\n那勞動節要不要放假這個是大家要今天接下來要討論的東西好更多的版本現在提到對於族群文化的重視包含原住民文化到底要不要放假包含客家文化到底要不要放假多元族群到底要不要放假多元族群包含有委員也提出來國民體育日國家防災日要不要放假這個都是在這個族群方面的\n好特殊的節日包含警察節要不要紀念要不要放假消防節要不要紀念要不要放假教師節要不要紀念要不要放假一共所有這些版本加起來目前我們的這個節日放假的節日一共有11天那我們把剛剛我這樣細數過來的所有的版本加起來會增加到32天\n那會增加到32天跟這個部長我們想要討論的是釐清的就是說節日跟國定假日要不要放在一起紀念日跟假日紀念日要不要一定放假可不可以請部長說明一下紀念日跟放假的概念我們到底要\n謝謝委員的垂詢 我也非常關心這個議題我想我們剛剛有提到說這要分兩個層次來看待一個就是如果他是假日或是節日的話呢他會有訂定的辦法但是假日跟節日到底要不要放假\n那就是由目的事業主管機關跟相關的機關會同來實施現在是現行的辦法是這樣子那目前我們在執行的過程當中呢當然會碰到一些困擾就是剛剛大家所說的如果你的連假很長那補班的時候要不要補班那我們就是擔心補班會造成困擾所以會在前一年度人事行政總局就會對外公佈像譬如說今年的整個的放假天數跟包括要補班或者是要連假的部分在去年的11月左右\n就會對外來公佈那這個呢只能規範到就是公務系統的軍公教那但是因為我們台灣的很多企業界他是跟著公務部門一起放假的所以就變成行政院的人事行政總署發出去那個針對全國的軍公教放假補班留班日等等這些他們就跟著一起\n來執行那當然這有方便跟不方便的地方那所以現在呢把它立法以後呢會變成會比較共識會比較難會變成今年有今年的法律明年有明年的法律那我們變成年年都要修法才能夠訂定那一年什麼時候放假什麼時候不放假就是我們認為說倉促入法呢會比較沒有共識的原因之一\n對所以沒有人說這個應該放這個不應該放但是其實現在的法律就可以讓大家的上班日跟放假日會比較有彈性一點的去讓我講最簡單的接下來是勞動部來部長你先請回座接下來是勞動部的執行一對夫妻啊\n那現在一個先生可能是公務員那太太可能是勞工那遇到強制要放假的時候勞工還是要輪班嘛那輪班對企業主來講企業主來講他可能就是付兩倍的薪水\n但是對更多的這些庶民經濟來講我講的是比如說咖啡店比如說這些很小的餐飲我在高雄有一家很有名的牛肉麵店他曾經就貼出來了那一天讓我非常扼腕那一天就是一個連假嘛\n連假休息很正常通常他都外面都會貼說4月3號到5號這個清明連假放假沒有他是貼說我請不到人休假但是不知道什麼時候可以請到人那什麼什麼時候遇到這種狀況當這個我們強制他要這個國定假日休假到你如果說到現在的版本32天的話那會產生什麼什麼什麼狀況\n先生可能公務員他就放假了嘛那太太他可能必須也跟著先生放假他有他的選擇他不要領兩倍的薪水他有他的選擇他也放假他也放假的話這一個可能咖啡店或可能這一個小餐廳他就出現剛剛我講的這個狀況貼了貼紙出來說我沒有辦法營業因為我們假日沒有人營業另外一種狀況就是這個僱主\n當這個僱主每次遇到這些連假的時候都找不到人的時候都沒有人可以輪班的時候這家店其實他不只面臨這些這些固定假日他要休息這家店很有可能他會走向關門他會因為找不到找不到這個員工關門那我們也不是反對我們是覺得這32天的提出來的這些不管是紀念日或者是假日跟台灣現在目前\n所這樣運行的這些狀況加上一例一休執行以來的這些狀況必須要切合現在台灣社會的狀況那次長我想請教你從一例一休以來目前台灣所有勞工的這些一例一休的比例有做多大的提升是謝謝委員跟委員報導那個我們勞動部有調查2015年就一例一休修法之前\n有事業單位規定勞工每週工作五天的那個事業單位的比例大概是76%可是到接下來一例修法之後就逐年的增加到2021年事業單位規定勞工每週工作只要五天的事業單位比例已經提升到87%87%對87%等於\n增加了12%同樣的勞工的部分也一樣就是說2016年是勞工在事業單位規定下勞工每週工作5天的比例其實是86%可是到2021年已經增加到94%\n也就是說其實依你這個數字來講增加到90幾%的話其實現在所有我剛剛講的很多的這些實體的小店面其實它已經試行這個最容易發生問題的就是在10人以下的你做這個改變的時候它必須要做快速的因應所以我覺得還是需要社會廣泛的多討論接下來我們這個討論到底要讓台灣社會\n放多少價 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