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00:01:21,585\n這是我們認為說第一個符合國際的潮流譬如說裡面的我們的民俗節日裡面還有另外一個我們自己台灣在過去的歷史裡面包括和平紀念日或者是國慶日等等這些都是我們值得紀念的所以既然它是紀念節日的話我們認為全國放假剛好是全國居民同胞都應該把這個重要的節日當成是我們歷史傳承裡面非常重要的一環\n\n4\n00:01:22,267 --> 00:01:45,981\n好謝謝部長的說明所以其實啊因為今天總共有26個委員的版本那我看了一下其實大家的提的方向也非常的分歧包括說名目很分歧要不要放假也很分歧變成說有的是認為這個要設紀念日但有的認為說這個要設紀念日而且要放假那有的是說有些設紀念日但是不用放假那導致說這26個版本下去討論\n\n5\n00:01:47,942 --> 00:01:55,950\n沒完沒了因為太分歧了包括剛剛其實有一些提案委員有說到說他認為說行限紀念日要來放假那我聽了也覺得蠻諷刺的一個被大法官判違憲的一個立法委員然後來說要倡議這個行限紀念日那我當然會覺得是不是有討論空間\n\n6\n00:02:09,042 --> 00:02:32,623\n那包括說有一個委員也提到說他希望823應該要來紀念那我認為說823的精神就是反共那這個委員本身也不反共那他來提823是不是也很諷刺呢那所以包括說這一些名目到底哪一些節日應該要被紀念是不是一項一項該來討論那也包括說如果是我個人的立場我也認為說4月7號的言論自由日是不是應該要來放假\n\n7\n00:02:35,526 --> 00:03:04,825\n那5月24號是不是應該作為婚姻平權紀念日是不是也應該來放假如此這樣子名目分歧討論下去可能會沒完沒了所以我也認為這件事情必須要有更多的共識包括哪一些節日值得被全國的人民來紀念包括哪一些的名目是應該要真的全國來放假的都有非常多的討論空間因為其實剛剛也有提到說有一些委員是希望說特定的\n\n8\n00:03:05,585 --> 00:03:31,345\n職業別來放假包括警察節消防節那可能也有的委員覺得說那是不是醫師節護理師節所有的職業別當天都要來爭取放假呢那我覺得都沒有不好但是如果要討論變成是非常需要所有全民的共識才能最後凝聚出一個共識那最後呢我還是要請教一下部長\n\n9\n00:03:32,145 --> 00:03:40,597\n那到底是這些剛剛所說的這一大堆的國定假日要放在辦法比較好還是應該要立法來處理比較好呢\n\n10\n00:03:41,435 --> 00:04:08,126\n其實如果以委員的高度來看待這件事情的話我認為說立法也我們不敢排斥因為已經有26個委員立法不能夠一竿子就打翻一條船但是我剛提到了立法下去以後會變成沒有彈性所謂的沒有彈性譬如說剛剛委員提到我們認為台灣的言論自由日4月7號應該現在有紀念但是沒有放假\n\n11\n00:04:08,646 --> 00:04:13,888\n但是也許過兩年以後人家會覺得要紀念又要放假那你要不要修法或者是說這個行縣紀念日我們認為它是行縣紀念日12月25號可是對很多年輕族群它這個叫做聖誕節\n\n12\n00:04:24,793 --> 00:04:28,136\n那既然你是聖誕節的話呢假設台灣是尊重很多不同的這個宗教那道教節要不要放假是那佛誕升天節要不要放假那就變成會沒完沒了那這樣子呢會變成是說會以大眾的一個想法為想法的話那幾乎每一天都放假日\n\n13\n00:04:45,071 --> 00:05:00,556\n那如果幾乎每天都放假日的話呢或者是有三分之一以上都在放假的話那所影響到的我想軍公教還是按照法令應該怎麼執行就怎麼走但是很多企業界很多人會認為說你多放假那個少放假是為了大財團不是\n\n14\n00:05:02,737 --> 00:05:31,986\n我們在討論的過程當中其實最大沒有辦法達到共識的就是中小企業界或者像我們現在所了解像小吃攤咖啡廳等等它一個餐廳裡面可能是老闆老闆娘然後只有請一個跟兩個那你因為要放假它要合乎我們的法令的規範的話它要給兩倍甚至說如果是過年期間又碰到所謂的放假日的話說不定比兩倍還要更多或者你沒辦法留住這些勞動人口反而是造成\n\n15\n00:05:32,666 --> 00:05:41,857\n好者越好然後越壞者他越糟糕所以才會造成剛剛有五人提到明明是放假日應該很多人潮可以去賺錢賺一點小的生意錢的部分他要關門因為沒有人手或者會變成這個\n\n16\n00:05:48,084 --> 00:06:08,226\n彈性工時上面的本來是全時就會變成是彈性工時聘請更多的工讀生或者你要聘請更多的所謂的外勞那譬如說我們現在在長期照顧長期照顧是一年365天每天24小時的哪有放假日你把放假日增加的結果是造成很多需要有人長期照顧的家庭\n\n17\n00:06:08,686 --> 00:06:30,503\n支付更多的長期照護的工作者的負擔那這些呢其實我們在勞動部門或者是衛福部門或者是軍公教部門都沒有一個很好的共識可是我們還是保持一個開放的態度認為說是不是在放假天數上面大家來考量一下可不可以大家都會有覺得是否有討論的空間\n\n18\n00:06:31,684 --> 00:06:46,733\n但是你現在硬把它放在這個框架裡面的話呢就像我剛剛所講的每一年我們要到立法院來報告一次這個假日的辦法明年要怎麼放假要不然就沒辦法修法那如果沒辦法修法的話呢那這個法律案呢其實它就沒有彈性\n\n19\n00:06:47,674 --> 00:07:09,507\n好謝謝部長非常完整而且詳細的說明那我認為接下來當然要不要放假放哪一些假其實都是大家可以持開放態度來討論但是如果要把它變成是放在立法裡面的話可能變成每一年都要重新修法反而失去了這個彈性大概是這樣的意思是的好非常謝謝部長那最後一點時間我們是不是請勞動部次長\n\n20\n00:07:17,742 --> 00:07:43,084\n好最後的一分鐘我還是要請次長來說明一下因為其實最後啊這個還是要回歸到說一年到底要不要要多放幾天假那這個其實還是可以討論的因為我也還是必須要老實的說台灣的這個工時的政策還是不盡滿意啦還是有非常多的進步空間那我希望勞動部還是要在這邊承諾可以做勞工的後盾\n\n21\n00:07:43,584 --> 00:07:53,567\n那如何更照顧到勞工的權益包括如何降低工時提高工資這件事情還是非常重要的那是不是最後請次長來說明一下\n\n22\n00:07:54,181 --> 00:08:19,534\n是謝謝委員當然勞動部一貫的立場長期來就是要維護勞工的權益那特別在工時方面確實我們還有努力空間那工資方面我們也都有一些新的工資政策在陸續推動例如說包括過去這八年來每一年都調高水利工資那最近這個行政院的經濟法案委員會也有做出了這個決議就希望未來在這個薪資透明化的措施方面呢\n\n23\n00:08:20,074 --> 00:08:46,144\n要更進一步來推動我們勞動部正在跟金管會一起來討論中好謝謝次長的說明那我覺得照顧勞工還是最重要的雖然我認為過去八年每年都調高最低工資了而且其實我們的工時每年也都在降低當中這也都是過去八年民進黨政府的努力那我認為接下來還是有很多進步的空間那這個真的要拜託勞動部繼續努力好嗎應該的好謝謝好謝謝黃介瑋\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7574\t28430\t好謝謝主席我們先請內政部長劉部長有請黃委員好好部長好今天這個題目其實像剛剛部長已經有提到說要不要紀念跟要不要放假其實是兩個層次那我希望部長可以在這邊跟大家再說明一次就是為什麼有的紀念日\n29210\t52223\t跟要不要放假是兩件事呢是根據我們現在的一個實施辦法我們認為說有12個紀念日6個民俗節日跟9個特定節日其中是規定全國放假日那就是中華民國的開國紀念日還有和平紀念日國慶日春節民主掃墓節端午節中秋節農曆除夕跟兒童節一共有11天是\n53684\t81585\t這是我們認為說第一個符合國際的潮流譬如說裡面的我們的民俗節日裡面還有另外一個我們自己台灣在過去的歷史裡面包括和平紀念日或者是國慶日等等這些都是我們值得紀念的所以既然它是紀念節日的話我們認為全國放假剛好是全國居民同胞都應該把這個重要的節日當成是我們歷史傳承裡面非常重要的一環\n82267\t105981\t好謝謝部長的說明所以其實啊因為今天總共有26個委員的版本那我看了一下其實大家的提的方向也非常的分歧包括說名目很分歧要不要放假也很分歧變成說有的是認為這個要設紀念日但有的認為說這個要設紀念日而且要放假那有的是說有些設紀念日但是不用放假那導致說這26個版本下去討論\n107942\t115950\t沒完沒了因為太分歧了包括剛剛其實有一些提案委員有說到說他認為說行限紀念日要來放假那我聽了也覺得蠻諷刺的一個被大法官判違憲的一個立法委員然後來說要倡議這個行限紀念日那我當然會覺得是不是有討論空間\n129042\t152623\t那包括說有一個委員也提到說他希望823應該要來紀念那我認為說823的精神就是反共那這個委員本身也不反共那他來提823是不是也很諷刺呢那所以包括說這一些名目到底哪一些節日應該要被紀念是不是一項一項該來討論那也包括說如果是我個人的立場我也認為說4月7號的言論自由日是不是應該要來放假\n155526\t184825\t那5月24號是不是應該作為婚姻平權紀念日是不是也應該來放假如此這樣子名目分歧討論下去可能會沒完沒了所以我也認為這件事情必須要有更多的共識包括哪一些節日值得被全國的人民來紀念包括哪一些的名目是應該要真的全國來放假的都有非常多的討論空間因為其實剛剛也有提到說有一些委員是希望說特定的\n185585\t211345\t職業別來放假包括警察節消防節那可能也有的委員覺得說那是不是醫師節護理師節所有的職業別當天都要來爭取放假呢那我覺得都沒有不好但是如果要討論變成是非常需要所有全民的共識才能最後凝聚出一個共識那最後呢我還是要請教一下部長\n212145\t220597\t那到底是這些剛剛所說的這一大堆的國定假日要放在辦法比較好還是應該要立法來處理比較好呢\n221435\t248126\t其實如果以委員的高度來看待這件事情的話我認為說立法也我們不敢排斥因為已經有26個委員立法不能夠一竿子就打翻一條船但是我剛提到了立法下去以後會變成沒有彈性所謂的沒有彈性譬如說剛剛委員提到我們認為台灣的言論自由日4月7號應該現在有紀念但是沒有放假\n248646\t253888\t但是也許過兩年以後人家會覺得要紀念又要放假那你要不要修法或者是說這個行縣紀念日我們認為它是行縣紀念日12月25號可是對很多年輕族群它這個叫做聖誕節\n264793\t268136\t那既然你是聖誕節的話呢假設台灣是尊重很多不同的這個宗教那道教節要不要放假是那佛誕升天節要不要放假那就變成會沒完沒了那這樣子呢會變成是說會以大眾的一個想法為想法的話那幾乎每一天都放假日\n285071\t300556\t那如果幾乎每天都放假日的話呢或者是有三分之一以上都在放假的話那所影響到的我想軍公教還是按照法令應該怎麼執行就怎麼走但是很多企業界很多人會認為說你多放假那個少放假是為了大財團不是\n302737\t331986\t我們在討論的過程當中其實最大沒有辦法達到共識的就是中小企業界或者像我們現在所了解像小吃攤咖啡廳等等它一個餐廳裡面可能是老闆老闆娘然後只有請一個跟兩個那你因為要放假它要合乎我們的法令的規範的話它要給兩倍甚至說如果是過年期間又碰到所謂的放假日的話說不定比兩倍還要更多或者你沒辦法留住這些勞動人口反而是造成\n332666\t341857\t好者越好然後越壞者他越糟糕所以才會造成剛剛有五人提到明明是放假日應該很多人潮可以去賺錢賺一點小的生意錢的部分他要關門因為沒有人手或者會變成這個\n348084\t368226\t彈性工時上面的本來是全時就會變成是彈性工時聘請更多的工讀生或者你要聘請更多的所謂的外勞那譬如說我們現在在長期照顧長期照顧是一年365天每天24小時的哪有放假日你把放假日增加的結果是造成很多需要有人長期照顧的家庭\n368686\t390503\t支付更多的長期照護的工作者的負擔那這些呢其實我們在勞動部門或者是衛福部門或者是軍公教部門都沒有一個很好的共識可是我們還是保持一個開放的態度認為說是不是在放假天數上面大家來考量一下可不可以大家都會有覺得是否有討論的空間\n391684\t406733\t但是你現在硬把它放在這個框架裡面的話呢就像我剛剛所講的每一年我們要到立法院來報告一次這個假日的辦法明年要怎麼放假要不然就沒辦法修法那如果沒辦法修法的話呢那這個法律案呢其實它就沒有彈性\n407674\t429507\t好謝謝部長非常完整而且詳細的說明那我認為接下來當然要不要放假放哪一些假其實都是大家可以持開放態度來討論但是如果要把它變成是放在立法裡面的話可能變成每一年都要重新修法反而失去了這個彈性大概是這樣的意思是的好非常謝謝部長那最後一點時間我們是不是請勞動部次長\n437742\t463084\t好最後的一分鐘我還是要請次長來說明一下因為其實最後啊這個還是要回歸到說一年到底要不要要多放幾天假那這個其實還是可以討論的因為我也還是必須要老實的說台灣的這個工時的政策還是不盡滿意啦還是有非常多的進步空間那我希望勞動部還是要在這邊承諾可以做勞工的後盾\n463584\t473567\t那如何更照顧到勞工的權益包括如何降低工時提高工資這件事情還是非常重要的那是不是最後請次長來說明一下\n474181\t499534\t是 謝謝委員當然勞動部一貫的立場長期來就是要維護勞工的權益那特別在工時方面確實我們還有努力空間那工資方面我們也都有一些新的工資政策在陸續推動例如說 包括過去這八年來每一年都調高水利工資那最近這個行政院的經濟法案委員會也有做出了這個決議就希望未來在這個薪資透明化的措施方面呢\n500074\t526144\t要更進一步來推動我們勞動部正在跟金管會一起來討論中好 謝謝次長的說明那我覺得照顧勞工還是最重要的雖然我認為過去八年每年都調高最低工資了而且其實我們的工時每年也都在降低當中這也都是過去八年民進黨政府的努力那我認為接下來還是有很多進步的空間那這個真的要拜託勞動部繼續努力好嗎應該的好 謝謝好 謝謝黃介瑋\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們先請內政部長劉部長有請黃委員好好部長好今天這個題目其實像剛剛部長已經有提到說要不要紀念跟要不要放假其實是兩個層次那我希望部長可以在這邊跟大家再說明一次就是為什麼有的紀念日\n跟要不要放假是兩件事呢是根據我們現在的一個實施辦法我們認為說有12個紀念日6個民俗節日跟9個特定節日其中是規定全國放假日那就是中華民國的開國紀念日還有和平紀念日國慶日春節民主掃墓節端午節中秋節農曆除夕跟兒童節一共有11天是\n這是我們認為說第一個符合國際的潮流譬如說裡面的我們的民俗節日裡面還有另外一個我們自己台灣在過去的歷史裡面包括和平紀念日或者是國慶日等等這些都是我們值得紀念的所以既然它是紀念節日的話我們認為全國放假剛好是全國居民同胞都應該把這個重要的節日當成是我們歷史傳承裡面非常重要的一環\n好謝謝部長的說明所以其實啊因為今天總共有26個委員的版本那我看了一下其實大家的提的方向也非常的分歧包括說名目很分歧要不要放假也很分歧變成說有的是認為這個要設紀念日但有的認為說這個要設紀念日而且要放假那有的是說有些設紀念日但是不用放假那導致說這26個版本下去討論\n沒完沒了因為太分歧了包括剛剛其實有一些提案委員有說到說他認為說行限紀念日要來放假那我聽了也覺得蠻諷刺的一個被大法官判違憲的一個立法委員然後來說要倡議這個行限紀念日那我當然會覺得是不是有討論空間\n那包括說有一個委員也提到說他希望823應該要來紀念那我認為說823的精神就是反共那這個委員本身也不反共那他來提823是不是也很諷刺呢那所以包括說這一些名目到底哪一些節日應該要被紀念是不是一項一項該來討論那也包括說如果是我個人的立場我也認為說4月7號的言論自由日是不是應該要來放假\n那5月24號是不是應該作為婚姻平權紀念日是不是也應該來放假如此這樣子名目分歧討論下去可能會沒完沒了所以我也認為這件事情必須要有更多的共識包括哪一些節日值得被全國的人民來紀念包括哪一些的名目是應該要真的全國來放假的都有非常多的討論空間因為其實剛剛也有提到說有一些委員是希望說特定的\n職業別來放假包括警察節消防節那可能也有的委員覺得說那是不是醫師節護理師節所有的職業別當天都要來爭取放假呢那我覺得都沒有不好但是如果要討論變成是非常需要所有全民的共識才能最後凝聚出一個共識那最後呢我還是要請教一下部長\n那到底是這些剛剛所說的這一大堆的國定假日要放在辦法比較好還是應該要立法來處理比較好呢\n其實如果以委員的高度來看待這件事情的話我認為說立法也我們不敢排斥因為已經有26個委員立法不能夠一竿子就打翻一條船但是我剛提到了立法下去以後會變成沒有彈性所謂的沒有彈性譬如說剛剛委員提到我們認為台灣的言論自由日4月7號應該現在有紀念但是沒有放假\n但是也許過兩年以後人家會覺得要紀念又要放假那你要不要修法或者是說這個行縣紀念日我們認為它是行縣紀念日12月25號可是對很多年輕族群它這個叫做聖誕節\n那既然你是聖誕節的話呢假設台灣是尊重很多不同的這個宗教那道教節要不要放假是那佛誕升天節要不要放假那就變成會沒完沒了那這樣子呢會變成是說會以大眾的一個想法為想法的話那幾乎每一天都放假日\n那如果幾乎每天都放假日的話呢或者是有三分之一以上都在放假的話那所影響到的我想軍公教還是按照法令應該怎麼執行就怎麼走但是很多企業界很多人會認為說你多放假那個少放假是為了大財團不是\n我們在討論的過程當中其實最大沒有辦法達到共識的就是中小企業界或者像我們現在所了解像小吃攤咖啡廳等等它一個餐廳裡面可能是老闆老闆娘然後只有請一個跟兩個那你因為要放假它要合乎我們的法令的規範的話它要給兩倍甚至說如果是過年期間又碰到所謂的放假日的話說不定比兩倍還要更多或者你沒辦法留住這些勞動人口反而是造成\n好者越好然後越壞者他越糟糕所以才會造成剛剛有五人提到明明是放假日應該很多人潮可以去賺錢賺一點小的生意錢的部分他要關門因為沒有人手或者會變成這個\n彈性工時上面的本來是全時就會變成是彈性工時聘請更多的工讀生或者你要聘請更多的所謂的外勞那譬如說我們現在在長期照顧長期照顧是一年365天每天24小時的哪有放假日你把放假日增加的結果是造成很多需要有人長期照顧的家庭\n支付更多的長期照護的工作者的負擔那這些呢其實我們在勞動部門或者是衛福部門或者是軍公教部門都沒有一個很好的共識可是我們還是保持一個開放的態度認為說是不是在放假天數上面大家來考量一下可不可以大家都會有覺得是否有討論的空間\n但是你現在硬把它放在這個框架裡面的話呢就像我剛剛所講的每一年我們要到立法院來報告一次這個假日的辦法明年要怎麼放假要不然就沒辦法修法那如果沒辦法修法的話呢那這個法律案呢其實它就沒有彈性\n好謝謝部長非常完整而且詳細的說明那我認為接下來當然要不要放假放哪一些假其實都是大家可以持開放態度來討論但是如果要把它變成是放在立法裡面的話可能變成每一年都要重新修法反而失去了這個彈性大概是這樣的意思是的好非常謝謝部長那最後一點時間我們是不是請勞動部次長\n好最後的一分鐘我還是要請次長來說明一下因為其實最後啊這個還是要回歸到說一年到底要不要要多放幾天假那這個其實還是可以討論的因為我也還是必須要老實的說台灣的這個工時的政策還是不盡滿意啦還是有非常多的進步空間那我希望勞動部還是要在這邊承諾可以做勞工的後盾\n那如何更照顧到勞工的權益包括如何降低工時提高工資這件事情還是非常重要的那是不是最後請次長來說明一下\n是 謝謝委員當然勞動部一貫的立場長期來就是要維護勞工的權益那特別在工時方面確實我們還有努力空間那工資方面我們也都有一些新的工資政策在陸續推動例如說 包括過去這八年來每一年都調高水利工資那最近這個行政院的經濟法案委員會也有做出了這個決議就希望未來在這個薪資透明化的措施方面呢\n要更進一步來推動我們勞動部正在跟金管會一起來討論中好 謝謝次長的說明那我覺得照顧勞工還是最重要的雖然我認為過去八年每年都調高最低工資了而且其實我們的工時每年也都在降低當中這也都是過去八年民進黨政府的努力那我認為接下來還是有很多進步的空間那這個真的要拜託勞動部繼續努力好嗎應該的好 謝謝好 謝謝黃介瑋\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.574 --> 00:28.430\n好謝謝主席我們先請內政部長劉部長有請黃委員好好部長好今天這個題目其實像剛剛部長已經有提到說要不要紀念跟要不要放假其實是兩個層次那我希望部長可以在這邊跟大家再說明一次就是為什麼有的紀念日\n\n00:29.210 --> 00:52.223\n跟要不要放假是兩件事呢是根據我們現在的一個實施辦法我們認為說有12個紀念日6個民俗節日跟9個特定節日其中是規定全國放假日那就是中華民國的開國紀念日還有和平紀念日國慶日春節民主掃墓節端午節中秋節農曆除夕跟兒童節一共有11天是\n\n00:53.684 --> 01:21.585\n這是我們認為說第一個符合國際的潮流譬如說裡面的我們的民俗節日裡面還有另外一個我們自己台灣在過去的歷史裡面包括和平紀念日或者是國慶日等等這些都是我們值得紀念的所以既然它是紀念節日的話我們認為全國放假剛好是全國居民同胞都應該把這個重要的節日當成是我們歷史傳承裡面非常重要的一環\n\n01:22.267 --> 01:45.981\n好謝謝部長的說明所以其實啊因為今天總共有26個委員的版本那我看了一下其實大家的提的方向也非常的分歧包括說名目很分歧要不要放假也很分歧變成說有的是認為這個要設紀念日但有的認為說這個要設紀念日而且要放假那有的是說有些設紀念日但是不用放假那導致說這26個版本下去討論\n\n01:47.942 --> 01:55.950\n沒完沒了因為太分歧了包括剛剛其實有一些提案委員有說到說他認為說行限紀念日要來放假那我聽了也覺得蠻諷刺的一個被大法官判違憲的一個立法委員然後來說要倡議這個行限紀念日那我當然會覺得是不是有討論空間\n\n02:09.042 --> 02:32.623\n那包括說有一個委員也提到說他希望823應該要來紀念那我認為說823的精神就是反共那這個委員本身也不反共那他來提823是不是也很諷刺呢那所以包括說這一些名目到底哪一些節日應該要被紀念是不是一項一項該來討論那也包括說如果是我個人的立場我也認為說4月7號的言論自由日是不是應該要來放假\n\n02:35.526 --> 03:04.825\n那5月24號是不是應該作為婚姻平權紀念日是不是也應該來放假如此這樣子名目分歧討論下去可能會沒完沒了所以我也認為這件事情必須要有更多的共識包括哪一些節日值得被全國的人民來紀念包括哪一些的名目是應該要真的全國來放假的都有非常多的討論空間因為其實剛剛也有提到說有一些委員是希望說特定的\n\n03:05.585 --> 03:31.345\n職業別來放假包括警察節消防節那可能也有的委員覺得說那是不是醫師節護理師節所有的職業別當天都要來爭取放假呢那我覺得都沒有不好但是如果要討論變成是非常需要所有全民的共識才能最後凝聚出一個共識那最後呢我還是要請教一下部長\n\n03:32.145 --> 03:40.597\n那到底是這些剛剛所說的這一大堆的國定假日要放在辦法比較好還是應該要立法來處理比較好呢\n\n03:41.435 --> 04:08.126\n其實如果以委員的高度來看待這件事情的話我認為說立法也我們不敢排斥因為已經有26個委員立法不能夠一竿子就打翻一條船但是我剛提到了立法下去以後會變成沒有彈性所謂的沒有彈性譬如說剛剛委員提到我們認為台灣的言論自由日4月7號應該現在有紀念但是沒有放假\n\n04:08.646 --> 04:13.888\n但是也許過兩年以後人家會覺得要紀念又要放假那你要不要修法或者是說這個行縣紀念日我們認為它是行縣紀念日12月25號可是對很多年輕族群它這個叫做聖誕節\n\n04:24.793 --> 04:28.136\n那既然你是聖誕節的話呢假設台灣是尊重很多不同的這個宗教那道教節要不要放假是那佛誕升天節要不要放假那就變成會沒完沒了那這樣子呢會變成是說會以大眾的一個想法為想法的話那幾乎每一天都放假日\n\n04:45.071 --> 05:00.556\n那如果幾乎每天都放假日的話呢或者是有三分之一以上都在放假的話那所影響到的我想軍公教還是按照法令應該怎麼執行就怎麼走但是很多企業界很多人會認為說你多放假那個少放假是為了大財團不是\n\n05:02.737 --> 05:31.986\n我們在討論的過程當中其實最大沒有辦法達到共識的就是中小企業界或者像我們現在所了解像小吃攤咖啡廳等等它一個餐廳裡面可能是老闆老闆娘然後只有請一個跟兩個那你因為要放假它要合乎我們的法令的規範的話它要給兩倍甚至說如果是過年期間又碰到所謂的放假日的話說不定比兩倍還要更多或者你沒辦法留住這些勞動人口反而是造成\n\n05:32.666 --> 05:41.857\n好者越好然後越壞者他越糟糕所以才會造成剛剛有五人提到明明是放假日應該很多人潮可以去賺錢賺一點小的生意錢的部分他要關門因為沒有人手或者會變成這個\n\n05:48.084 --> 06:08.226\n彈性工時上面的本來是全時就會變成是彈性工時聘請更多的工讀生或者你要聘請更多的所謂的外勞那譬如說我們現在在長期照顧長期照顧是一年365天每天24小時的哪有放假日你把放假日增加的結果是造成很多需要有人長期照顧的家庭\n\n06:08.686 --> 06:30.503\n支付更多的長期照護的工作者的負擔那這些呢其實我們在勞動部門或者是衛福部門或者是軍公教部門都沒有一個很好的共識可是我們還是保持一個開放的態度認為說是不是在放假天數上面大家來考量一下可不可以大家都會有覺得是否有討論的空間\n\n06:31.684 --> 06:46.733\n但是你現在硬把它放在這個框架裡面的話呢就像我剛剛所講的每一年我們要到立法院來報告一次這個假日的辦法明年要怎麼放假要不然就沒辦法修法那如果沒辦法修法的話呢那這個法律案呢其實它就沒有彈性\n\n06:47.674 --> 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Kacaw","李彥秀","李坤城","葉元之","陳瑩"],"page_start":317,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142701_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；二、審查委員高金素梅等18人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條\n例草案」案；四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法\n草案」案；五、審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；六、審查委員陳\n玉珍等16 人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案；七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；八、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「國家紀念日及\n節日實施法草案」案；九、審查委員王鴻薇等19 人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；\n十、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十二、審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施\n條例草案」案；十三、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十四、審\n查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十五、審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具\n「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十六、審查委員許智傑等30人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實\n施條例草案」案；十七、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十八、\n審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十九、審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬\n具「國定假日法草案」案；二十、審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案\n【僅詢答及宣讀條文】","agenda_id":"1142701_00007"}}}