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00:01:02,441\n並不會真正的促進經濟的發展而是代表的反而會減少這些國人出門消費的一個時間那我們根據勞動部的統計在112年的台灣受僱勞工的總工時是2019.6個小時跟OECD的39個主要國家相比的話我們是大概排名第五\n\n4\n00:01:03,041 --> 00:01:21,975\n那鄰近國家不管是日本的1637個小時韓國的1874個小時還有OECD國家的平均的1742個小時我們台灣的勞工特休假大概跟國定假日加起來大概有20天也遠低於日本的26天韓國的30天\n\n5\n00:01:24,877 --> 00:01:37,890\n還有歐美的28至60天以及伊朗的53天所以我想部長這些數據都告訴我們勞工的工時明顯過長而收價的權益也明顯不足您是否認同\n\n6\n00:01:39,448 --> 00:01:56,622\n呃報告委員有關工時過長的部分不是由我業務主管單位的部分那我們是不是請李正次好嗎我們是在有關紀念日跟節日的部分要不要放假的問題好那我剛剛有特別提到五一勞動節現在就是我們的放假日只是針對全國勞工好我們是不是要不然請李正次來回答這個部分謝謝委員委好你好\n\n7\n00:02:04,028 --> 00:02:32,476\n曾氏對您認不認同我們現在我剛剛所講的現在的勞工的工時明顯的過長因為跟其他的OECD的主要國家比我們其實39個國家我們排名第五那這個部分的話請問你認不認同我們的這個勞工的工時過長而且為什麼勞工要爭取這個收國定假日是謝謝委員吹噓那個如果跟OECD39個國家來比的話確實台灣勞工的年總工時是比較長的我們還是有很大的努力空間對\n\n8\n00:02:34,292 --> 00:03:01,503\n對所以您也贊成我們應該要增加勞工的恢復他們七天假的國定假日嗎我認為國定假日的調整它涉及各行各業的營運模式工作型態都不一樣所以要通盤的討論事實上我們認為根據我們保安部的調查國定假日的調整可能是一種途徑可是最重要是加班工時我們必須要有一些行業它的加班工時是比較長的\n\n9\n00:03:03,444 --> 00:03:29,325\n這個應該已經討論很久那如果再這樣無止境的討論下去這個議題當然不會有共識我是覺得勞動部是不是應該有更積極的作為去看哪些行業他們的這個部分可以用什麼方式來解決重點是要解決勞工工時過場的問題那增加他們休假我想這個應該是只是恢復我們過去的國家的七天假對於勞動部來說應該是極力贊成才對我們認為那個通盤考量之後這確實有討論的空間確實\n\n10\n00:03:31,687 --> 00:03:56,158\n可是討論多久了還要討論多久這個因為是我們大院的這個討論我們一定會那我覺得勞動部應該有積極的態度提出相關的數據來去證明我們的勞工的工時確實過長否則的話說實在您站在這邊我有點搞不清楚你到底是勞動部的政策還是經濟部的政策我們勞動部不是應該站在勞工的立場為他們爭取相關的權益嗎\n\n11\n00:03:57,779 --> 00:04:04,846\n我們勞動部一定是站在勞工的權利之下所以我覺得不要再用這種說我們還要再討論沒有共識相關的這個說法應該是要積極的去處理積極的提出相關的政治那為什麼你知道為什麼這個勞工希望能夠再恢復起點價嗎雖然我們有特休假可事實上我們的特休假依據我們勞動部的113年勞工生活跟就業狀況的調查報告\n\n12\n00:04:22,822 --> 00:04:51,002\n企業對於未休完的特休假有40.5%採取折發工資也就是說他們根本沒辦法休息然後台灣平均勞工的這個有14.7天的特休可實際平均休假才8.3天那尤其是25到34歲的青年勞工特休假只有10.4天但真正休的只有5.4天所以特休假對於很多勞工來說其實是看得到休不到\n\n13\n00:04:51,622 --> 00:05:20,473\n所以只有國定假日才有辦法讓他們真正的休假這也是為什麼我們今天在這邊要探討要恢復這七天甚至我想到底幾天大家都還可以來探討但重點是恢復國定假日我覺得這個是對現在勞工的權益很有必要來增加的各位說明勞基法它的修正之後特休假排駕權是在勞工手上所以勞工可以自己來決定要不要特休或特休幾天那我們勞務部一場\n\n14\n00:05:21,213 --> 00:05:43,461\n這次你應該不會沒有聽過說很多勞工來投訴說事實上他們這些特休假有時候想休的時候是僱主不同意甚至有時候是用情熱的方式告訴你說因為你們部門人數少如果你休可能會造成其他員工的這樣子的一個工作的負擔增加所以呢用這種情熱的方式也不讓他們休假你應該有聽過吧有聽過那這時候\n\n15\n00:05:45,982 --> 00:06:08,928\n這個就是老計法的單數就如果雇主認為有營運困難那就要徵求勞工的協商跟同意但是基本上排價權還是在勞工手上當然還是在勞工手上可是我剛剛跟你講的那個數據是你們統計的為什麼實際上14.7天只有8.3天的休假絕對我想不是勞工大家都我一定要來加班絕對不是這樣一定是被要求的\n\n16\n00:06:09,508 --> 00:06:25,468\n所以我覺得唯有增加國定假日菜讓他們能夠真正能夠休假這是今天我想我們排案主要來審核這個法案的主要原因還是希望勞動部能夠站在我們這個所有廣大勞工的立場那接下來我是不是再請一下劉部長謝謝劉部長有請\n\n17\n00:06:35,183 --> 00:06:55,115\n剛剛我們有提到我們針對特休的部分事實上勞工真的很多是看得到休不到所以卓院長已經特別有講過說假日的調整去符合國家意義符合全國的自信請問一下內政部有沒有研究如果要增加國定假日可以增加在哪幾天\n\n18\n00:06:56,628 --> 00:07:17,789\n很抱歉那個院長他在行政院的質詢的時候是有特別提到第一個我們保持開放的態度那要增加放假的天數是怎麼樣的增加法那我剛在很多委員的垂詢的時候就有特別提到因為我們26個委員所提到的部分我們累計出來有31種不同的假日\n\n19\n00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:32,026\n那所以很難做一個統合性不可能每一天都放假不可能提高到說我們放假31天那到底哪一個才是最好其實我們也必須要凝聚有朝野的共識還有我認為公司部門也必須要有共識對上個會期我們已經開過公聽會了是的\n\n20\n00:07:36,892 --> 00:07:51,602\n那請問一下內政部針對剛剛你講我們的委員大概目前有31個希望放假的天數那基本上內政部有沒有研究說大概有哪幾天是一定可放或是大家基本上的共識有沒有哪幾天\n\n21\n00:07:52,562 --> 00:08:15,710\n我們要尊重相關部門現在我們兩個諮詢的對象或是研議的對象一個當然就是行政院的人事總署一個當然就是勞動部目前看起來這兩個部會裡面跟內政部要達到一個共識但是裡面還有差一步就是各個委員之間也必須要有一個共識的版本出來那我們才能夠講否則會變成我想今天做完這個諮詢之後大家一定\n\n22\n00:08:19,651 --> 00:08:36,922\n又可以共同來去研究出來很多事情不會每一件都至愛難行我們一定可以想辦法來去做到所以我想請教一下部長為了肯定教師節為教育事業所做的貢獻跟努力請問您贊不贊成教師節要恢復為國定假日\n\n23\n00:08:39,764 --> 00:09:05,721\n包括委員教師節要恢復成國定假日是放假日啦齁那包括那個委員也提到說可能叫孔子誕辰紀念日喔那另外一個是民進黨的黨慶那我是覺得說這樣子放下去的話人家會好像是我們為了自己在做放假可是我們有考慮到不是喔我們不曉得民進黨的黨慶是9月28我們各種不同的聲音請問你知道國民黨的黨慶是幾號嗎不知道一般人不知道對啊所以我們也不知道不是我是說我們從不會得到的訊息\n\n24\n00:09:08,283 --> 00:09:35,394\n但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的受教權偏鄉學生的受教權的問題如果沒有好好去解決這塊問題的話你要全國放假也是有個困難我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出一定有很多需要去溝通去努力執行的地方那我相信以劉部長您是來自於民意代表的身份應該有很多的相關的\n\n25\n00:09:36,695 --> 00:09:52,253\n這個陳情也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法這方面我是對你有信心的你一定有辦法能夠解決另外就是根據今年的就是2025的民生議題的調查我們有個民調顯示就是支持還給勞工7天假有56.7%不支持的只有19.3%\n\n26\n00:09:56,518 --> 00:10:13,241\n24%是沒有意見其中支持勞工節全民放假有66.3支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3支持光復節的有64.1支持行限紀念日的恢復國定假日有65.4所以部長您可以看到\n\n27\n00:10:13,741 --> 00:10:39,817\n都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假那我是覺得針對這個部分是不是我們可以大家一起來討論不一定一次就放7天假我們要到底放幾天假我覺得這個可以討論而且當然現在有講到說對經濟的層面影響很大影響勝據剛剛在您的報告裡可是事實上所謂的影響勝據是多少就四個字而已並沒有真正的數據也是希望說我們大家如果真的會影響的話影響的數據是多少大家再提出來討論\n\n28\n00:10:43,479 --> 00:10:57,550\n那因為今天的時間的關係可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分尤其是我不好意思我看一下最後一個表格您看一下因為這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家各位您可以看到的不管是歐洲國家\n\n29\n00:10:58,732 --> 00:11:17,043\n他的這個年假有30天以上可是他的這個GDP來說也比我們高很多然後另外呢這個我們看到日本的法定假日比台灣多8天那他GDP是台灣的5.23倍那韓國也比台灣多12天的假期他的GDP也是台灣的2.13倍\n\n30\n00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:34,682\n所以由此可見假期的多寡並不是影響經濟表現的關鍵因素所以這個部分可能要請我們的內政部我們大家再來想好好的想辦法怎麼來增加國定假日讓我們的勞工不會產生過勞這樣子一個狀況那請問一下部長您認同這個\n\n31\n00:11:39,189 --> 00:11:58,577\n這個收價並不會真正影響經濟成長的這個說法嗎我剛已經有提過了你所謂的總體經濟還是部分的我剛講過就是說小規模的尤其是中小企業界以下他們對於放假日增加出來會增加出的勞動成本是一個比較難估算的部分那這些人數也不少\n\n32\n00:11:58,837 --> 00:12:26,710\n因為我們知道說中小企業在臺灣大概也是有好幾十萬以上那這些人的聲音反而我們不容易聽到所以我們從上一次10月23在內政委員會裡面所提到的這些中小企業界的聲音我們也要把它考量在內我相信要考量當然支持勞動部但是我們全國勞工有845萬人所以我覺得但是我剛有提到5月1號本來全國勞工都放假只是軍公教沒有放假\n\n33\n00:12:27,210 --> 00:12:38,284\n所以我們要解決的是跟勞工要一起放假的問題不只討論勞工節我們現在是討論七天假所以還是要麻煩部長我們大家共同用智慧來去解決這個問題謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6179\t6660\t謝謝主席 我們請劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請\n17917\t27380\t我想請教部長民進黨執政後取消國定的七天假也象徵勞工工時過長政府在制定政策時漠視勞工權益勞工休假削減並不會減少\n41295\t62441\t並不會真正的促進經濟的發展而是代表的反而會減少這些國人出門消費的一個時間那我們根據勞動部的統計在112年的台灣受僱勞工的總工時是2019.6個小時跟OECD的39個主要國家相比的話我們是大概排名第五\n63041\t81975\t那鄰近國家不管是日本的1637個小時韓國的1874個小時還有OECD國家的平均的1742個小時我們台灣的勞工特休假大概跟國定假日加起來大概有20天也遠低於日本的26天韓國的30天\n84877\t97890\t還有歐美的28至60天以及伊朗的53天所以我想部長這些數據都告訴我們勞工的工時明顯過長而收價的權益也明顯不足您是否認同\n99448\t116622\t呃 報告委員有關工時過長的部分不是由我業務主管單位的部分那我們是不是請李正次好嗎我們是在有關紀念日跟節日的部分要不要放假的問題好那我剛剛有特別提到五一勞動節現在就是我們的放假日只是針對全國勞工好我們是不是要不然請李正次來回答這個部分謝謝委員 委好你好\n124028\t152476\t曾氏對 您認不認同我們現在我剛剛所講的現在的勞工的工時明顯的過長因為跟其他的OECD的主要國家比我們其實39個國家我們排名第五那這個部分的話請問你認不認同我們的這個勞工的工時過長而且為什麼勞工要爭取這個收國定假日是 謝謝委員吹噓那個如果跟OECD39個國家來比的話確實台灣勞工的年總工時是比較長的我們還是有很大的努力空間 對\n154292\t181503\t對 所以您也贊成我們應該要增加勞工的恢復他們七天假的國定假日嗎我認為國定假日的調整它涉及各行各業的營運模式工作型態都不一樣所以要通盤的討論事實上我們認為根據我們保安部的調查國定假日的調整可能是一種途徑可是最重要是加班工時我們必須要有一些行業它的加班工時是比較長的\n183444\t209325\t這個應該已經討論很久那如果再這樣無止境的討論下去這個議題當然不會有共識我是覺得勞動部是不是應該有更積極的作為去看哪些行業他們的這個部分可以用什麼方式來解決重點是要解決勞工工時過場的問題那增加他們休假我想這個應該是只是恢復我們過去的國家的七天假對於勞動部來說應該是極力贊成才對我們認為那個通盤考量之後這確實有討論的空間確實\n211687\t236158\t可是討論多久了還要討論多久這個因為是我們大院的這個討論我們一定會那我覺得勞動部應該有積極的態度提出相關的數據來去證明我們的勞工的工時確實過長否則的話說實在您站在這邊我有點搞不清楚你到底是勞動部的政策還是經濟部的政策我們勞動部不是應該站在勞工的立場為他們爭取相關的權益嗎\n237779\t244846\t我們勞動部一定是站在勞工的權利之下所以我覺得不要再用這種說我們還要再討論沒有共識相關的這個說法應該是要積極的去處理積極的提出相關的政治那為什麼你知道為什麼這個勞工希望能夠再恢復起點價嗎雖然我們有特休假可事實上我們的特休假依據我們勞動部的113年勞工生活跟就業狀況的調查報告\n262822\t291002\t企業對於未休完的特休假有40.5%採取折發工資也就是說他們根本沒辦法休息然後台灣平均勞工的這個有14.7天的特休可實際平均休假才8.3天那尤其是25到34歲的青年勞工特休假只有10.4天但真正休的只有5.4天所以特休假對於很多勞工來說其實是看得到 休不到\n291622\t320473\t所以只有國定假日才有辦法讓他們真正的休假這也是為什麼我們今天在這邊要探討要恢復這七天甚至我想到底幾天大家都還可以來探討但重點是恢復國定假日我覺得這個是對現在勞工的權益很有必要來增加的各位說明勞基法它的修正之後特休假排駕權是在勞工手上所以勞工可以自己來決定要不要特休或特休幾天那我們勞務部一場\n321213\t343461\t這次你應該不會沒有聽過說很多勞工來投訴說事實上他們這些特休假有時候想休的時候是僱主不同意甚至有時候是用情熱的方式告訴你說因為你們部門人數少如果你休可能會造成其他員工的這樣子的一個工作的負擔增加所以呢用這種情熱的方式也不讓他們休假你應該有聽過吧有聽過那這時候\n345982\t368928\t這個就是老計法的單數就如果雇主認為有營運困難那就要徵求勞工的協商跟同意但是基本上排價權還是在勞工手上當然還是在勞工手上可是我剛剛跟你講的那個數據是你們統計的為什麼實際上14.7天只有8.3天的休假絕對我想不是勞工大家都我一定要來加班絕對不是這樣一定是被要求的\n369508\t385468\t所以我覺得唯有增加國定假日菜讓他們能夠真正能夠休假這是今天我想我們排案主要來審核這個法案的主要原因還是希望勞動部能夠站在我們這個所有廣大勞工的立場那接下來我是不是再請一下劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請\n395183\t415115\t剛剛我們有提到我們針對特休的部分事實上勞工真的很多是看得到休不到所以卓院長已經特別有講過說假日的調整去符合國家意義符合全國的自信請問一下內政部有沒有研究如果要增加國定假日可以增加在哪幾天\n416628\t437789\t很抱歉那個院長他在行政院的質詢的時候是有特別提到第一個我們保持開放的態度那要增加放假的天數是怎麼樣的增加法那我剛在很多委員的垂詢的時候就有特別提到因為我們26個委員所提到的部分我們累計出來有31種不同的假日\n438550\t452026\t那所以很難做一個統合性不可能每一天都放假不可能提高到說我們放假31天那到底哪一個才是最好其實我們也必須要凝聚有朝野的共識還有我認為公司部門也必須要有共識對 上個會期我們已經開過公聽會了是的\n456892\t471602\t那請問一下內政部針對剛剛你講我們的委員大概目前有31個希望放假的天數那基本上內政部有沒有研究說大概有哪幾天是一定可放或是大家基本上的共識有沒有哪幾天\n472562\t495710\t我們要尊重相關部門現在我們兩個諮詢的對象或是研議的對象一個當然就是行政院的人事總署一個當然就是勞動部目前看起來這兩個部會裡面跟內政部要達到一個共識但是裡面還有差一步就是各個委員之間也必須要有一個共識的版本出來那我們才能夠講否則會變成我想今天做完這個諮詢之後大家一定\n499651\t516922\t又可以共同來去研究出來很多事情不會每一件都至愛難行我們一定可以想辦法來去做到所以我想請教一下部長為了肯定教師節為教育事業所做的貢獻跟努力請問您贊不贊成教師節要恢復為國定假日\n519764\t545721\t包括委員教師節要恢復成國定假日是放假日啦齁那包括那個委員也提到說可能叫孔子誕辰紀念日喔那另外一個是民進黨的黨慶那我是覺得說這樣子放下去的話人家會好像是我們為了自己在做放假可是我們有考慮到不是喔我們不曉得民進黨的黨慶是9月28我們各種不同的聲音請問你知道國民黨的黨慶是幾號嗎不知道一般人不知道對啊所以我們也不知道不是我是說我們從不會得到的訊息\n548283\t575394\t但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的受教權偏鄉學生的受教權的問題如果沒有好好去解決這塊問題的話你要全國放假也是有個困難我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出一定有很多需要去溝通去努力執行的地方那我相信以劉部長您是來自於民意代表的身份應該有很多的相關的\n576695\t592253\t這個陳情也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法這方面我是對你有信心的你一定有辦法能夠解決另外就是根據今年的就是2025的民生議題的調查我們有個民調顯示就是支持還給勞工7天假有56.7%不支持的只有19.3%\n596518\t613241\t24%是沒有意見其中支持勞工節全民放假有66.3支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3支持光復節的有64.1支持行限紀念日的恢復國定假日有65.4所以部長您可以看到\n613741\t639817\t都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假那我是覺得針對這個部分是不是我們可以大家一起來討論不一定一次就放7天假我們要到底放幾天假我覺得這個可以討論而且當然現在有講到說對經濟的層面影響很大影響勝據剛剛在您的報告裡可是事實上所謂的影響勝據是多少就四個字而已並沒有真正的數據也是希望說我們大家如果真的會影響的話影響的數據是多少大家再提出來討論\n643479\t657550\t那因為今天的時間的關係可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分尤其是我不好意思我看一下最後一個表格您看一下因為這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家各位您可以看到的不管是歐洲國家\n658732\t677043\t他的這個年假有30天以上可是他的這個GDP來說也比我們高很多然後另外呢這個我們看到日本的法定假日比台灣多8天那他GDP是台灣的5.23倍那韓國也比台灣多12天的假期他的GDP也是台灣的2.13倍\n678624\t694682\t所以由此可見假期的多寡並不是影響經濟表現的關鍵因素所以這個部分可能要請我們的內政部我們大家再來想好好的想辦法怎麼來增加國定假日讓我們的勞工不會產生過勞這樣子一個狀況那請問一下部長您認同這個\n699189\t718577\t這個收價並不會真正影響經濟成長的這個說法嗎我剛已經有提過了你所謂的總體經濟還是部分的我剛講過就是說小規模的尤其是中小企業界以下他們對於放假日增加出來會增加出的勞動成本是一個比較難估算的部分那這些人數也不少\n718837\t746710\t因為我們知道說中小企業在臺灣大概也是有好幾十萬以上那這些人的聲音反而我們不容易聽到所以我們從上一次10月23在內政委員會裡面所提到的這些中小企業界的聲音我們也要把它考量在內我相信要考量當然支持勞動部但是我們全國勞工有845萬人所以我覺得但是我剛有提到5月1號本來全國勞工都放假只是軍公教沒有放假\n747210\t758284\t所以我們要解決的是跟勞工要一起放假的問題不只討論勞工節我們現在是討論七天假所以還是要麻煩部長我們大家共同用智慧來去解決這個問題謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請\n我想請教部長民進黨執政後取消國定的七天假也象徵勞工工時過長政府在制定政策時漠視勞工權益勞工休假削減並不會減少\n並不會真正的促進經濟的發展而是代表的反而會減少這些國人出門消費的一個時間那我們根據勞動部的統計在112年的台灣受僱勞工的總工時是2019.6個小時跟OECD的39個主要國家相比的話我們是大概排名第五\n那鄰近國家不管是日本的1637個小時韓國的1874個小時還有OECD國家的平均的1742個小時我們台灣的勞工特休假大概跟國定假日加起來大概有20天也遠低於日本的26天韓國的30天\n還有歐美的28至60天以及伊朗的53天所以我想部長這些數據都告訴我們勞工的工時明顯過長而收價的權益也明顯不足您是否認同\n呃 報告委員有關工時過長的部分不是由我業務主管單位的部分那我們是不是請李正次好嗎我們是在有關紀念日跟節日的部分要不要放假的問題好那我剛剛有特別提到五一勞動節現在就是我們的放假日只是針對全國勞工好我們是不是要不然請李正次來回答這個部分謝謝委員 委好你好\n曾氏對 您認不認同我們現在我剛剛所講的現在的勞工的工時明顯的過長因為跟其他的OECD的主要國家比我們其實39個國家我們排名第五那這個部分的話請問你認不認同我們的這個勞工的工時過長而且為什麼勞工要爭取這個收國定假日是 謝謝委員吹噓那個如果跟OECD39個國家來比的話確實台灣勞工的年總工時是比較長的我們還是有很大的努力空間 對\n對 所以您也贊成我們應該要增加勞工的恢復他們七天假的國定假日嗎我認為國定假日的調整它涉及各行各業的營運模式工作型態都不一樣所以要通盤的討論事實上我們認為根據我們保安部的調查國定假日的調整可能是一種途徑可是最重要是加班工時我們必須要有一些行業它的加班工時是比較長的\n這個應該已經討論很久那如果再這樣無止境的討論下去這個議題當然不會有共識我是覺得勞動部是不是應該有更積極的作為去看哪些行業他們的這個部分可以用什麼方式來解決重點是要解決勞工工時過場的問題那增加他們休假我想這個應該是只是恢復我們過去的國家的七天假對於勞動部來說應該是極力贊成才對我們認為那個通盤考量之後這確實有討論的空間確實\n可是討論多久了還要討論多久這個因為是我們大院的這個討論我們一定會那我覺得勞動部應該有積極的態度提出相關的數據來去證明我們的勞工的工時確實過長否則的話說實在您站在這邊我有點搞不清楚你到底是勞動部的政策還是經濟部的政策我們勞動部不是應該站在勞工的立場為他們爭取相關的權益嗎\n我們勞動部一定是站在勞工的權利之下所以我覺得不要再用這種說我們還要再討論沒有共識相關的這個說法應該是要積極的去處理積極的提出相關的政治那為什麼你知道為什麼這個勞工希望能夠再恢復起點價嗎雖然我們有特休假可事實上我們的特休假依據我們勞動部的113年勞工生活跟就業狀況的調查報告\n企業對於未休完的特休假有40.5%採取折發工資也就是說他們根本沒辦法休息然後台灣平均勞工的這個有14.7天的特休可實際平均休假才8.3天那尤其是25到34歲的青年勞工特休假只有10.4天但真正休的只有5.4天所以特休假對於很多勞工來說其實是看得到 休不到\n所以只有國定假日才有辦法讓他們真正的休假這也是為什麼我們今天在這邊要探討要恢復這七天甚至我想到底幾天大家都還可以來探討但重點是恢復國定假日我覺得這個是對現在勞工的權益很有必要來增加的各位說明勞基法它的修正之後特休假排駕權是在勞工手上所以勞工可以自己來決定要不要特休或特休幾天那我們勞務部一場\n這次你應該不會沒有聽過說很多勞工來投訴說事實上他們這些特休假有時候想休的時候是僱主不同意甚至有時候是用情熱的方式告訴你說因為你們部門人數少如果你休可能會造成其他員工的這樣子的一個工作的負擔增加所以呢用這種情熱的方式也不讓他們休假你應該有聽過吧有聽過那這時候\n這個就是老計法的單數就如果雇主認為有營運困難那就要徵求勞工的協商跟同意但是基本上排價權還是在勞工手上當然還是在勞工手上可是我剛剛跟你講的那個數據是你們統計的為什麼實際上14.7天只有8.3天的休假絕對我想不是勞工大家都我一定要來加班絕對不是這樣一定是被要求的\n所以我覺得唯有增加國定假日菜讓他們能夠真正能夠休假這是今天我想我們排案主要來審核這個法案的主要原因還是希望勞動部能夠站在我們這個所有廣大勞工的立場那接下來我是不是再請一下劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請\n剛剛我們有提到我們針對特休的部分事實上勞工真的很多是看得到休不到所以卓院長已經特別有講過說假日的調整去符合國家意義符合全國的自信請問一下內政部有沒有研究如果要增加國定假日可以增加在哪幾天\n很抱歉那個院長他在行政院的質詢的時候是有特別提到第一個我們保持開放的態度那要增加放假的天數是怎麼樣的增加法那我剛在很多委員的垂詢的時候就有特別提到因為我們26個委員所提到的部分我們累計出來有31種不同的假日\n那所以很難做一個統合性不可能每一天都放假不可能提高到說我們放假31天那到底哪一個才是最好其實我們也必須要凝聚有朝野的共識還有我認為公司部門也必須要有共識對 上個會期我們已經開過公聽會了是的\n那請問一下內政部針對剛剛你講我們的委員大概目前有31個希望放假的天數那基本上內政部有沒有研究說大概有哪幾天是一定可放或是大家基本上的共識有沒有哪幾天\n我們要尊重相關部門現在我們兩個諮詢的對象或是研議的對象一個當然就是行政院的人事總署一個當然就是勞動部目前看起來這兩個部會裡面跟內政部要達到一個共識但是裡面還有差一步就是各個委員之間也必須要有一個共識的版本出來那我們才能夠講否則會變成我想今天做完這個諮詢之後大家一定\n又可以共同來去研究出來很多事情不會每一件都至愛難行我們一定可以想辦法來去做到所以我想請教一下部長為了肯定教師節為教育事業所做的貢獻跟努力請問您贊不贊成教師節要恢復為國定假日\n包括委員教師節要恢復成國定假日是放假日啦齁那包括那個委員也提到說可能叫孔子誕辰紀念日喔那另外一個是民進黨的黨慶那我是覺得說這樣子放下去的話人家會好像是我們為了自己在做放假可是我們有考慮到不是喔我們不曉得民進黨的黨慶是9月28我們各種不同的聲音請問你知道國民黨的黨慶是幾號嗎不知道一般人不知道對啊所以我們也不知道不是我是說我們從不會得到的訊息\n但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的受教權偏鄉學生的受教權的問題如果沒有好好去解決這塊問題的話你要全國放假也是有個困難我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出一定有很多需要去溝通去努力執行的地方那我相信以劉部長您是來自於民意代表的身份應該有很多的相關的\n這個陳情也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法這方面我是對你有信心的你一定有辦法能夠解決另外就是根據今年的就是2025的民生議題的調查我們有個民調顯示就是支持還給勞工7天假有56.7%不支持的只有19.3%\n24%是沒有意見其中支持勞工節全民放假有66.3支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3支持光復節的有64.1支持行限紀念日的恢復國定假日有65.4所以部長您可以看到\n都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假那我是覺得針對這個部分是不是我們可以大家一起來討論不一定一次就放7天假我們要到底放幾天假我覺得這個可以討論而且當然現在有講到說對經濟的層面影響很大影響勝據剛剛在您的報告裡可是事實上所謂的影響勝據是多少就四個字而已並沒有真正的數據也是希望說我們大家如果真的會影響的話影響的數據是多少大家再提出來討論\n那因為今天的時間的關係可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分尤其是我不好意思我看一下最後一個表格您看一下因為這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家各位您可以看到的不管是歐洲國家\n他的這個年假有30天以上可是他的這個GDP來說也比我們高很多然後另外呢這個我們看到日本的法定假日比台灣多8天那他GDP是台灣的5.23倍那韓國也比台灣多12天的假期他的GDP也是台灣的2.13倍\n所以由此可見假期的多寡並不是影響經濟表現的關鍵因素所以這個部分可能要請我們的內政部我們大家再來想好好的想辦法怎麼來增加國定假日讓我們的勞工不會產生過勞這樣子一個狀況那請問一下部長您認同這個\n這個收價並不會真正影響經濟成長的這個說法嗎我剛已經有提過了你所謂的總體經濟還是部分的我剛講過就是說小規模的尤其是中小企業界以下他們對於放假日增加出來會增加出的勞動成本是一個比較難估算的部分那這些人數也不少\n因為我們知道說中小企業在臺灣大概也是有好幾十萬以上那這些人的聲音反而我們不容易聽到所以我們從上一次10月23在內政委員會裡面所提到的這些中小企業界的聲音我們也要把它考量在內我相信要考量當然支持勞動部但是我們全國勞工有845萬人所以我覺得但是我剛有提到5月1號本來全國勞工都放假只是軍公教沒有放假\n所以我們要解決的是跟勞工要一起放假的問題不只討論勞工節我們現在是討論七天假所以還是要麻煩部長我們大家共同用智慧來去解決這個問題謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.179 --> 00:06.660\n謝謝主席我們請劉部長謝謝劉部長有請\n\n00:17.917 --> 00:27.380\n我想請教部長民進黨執政後取消國定的七天假也象徵勞工工時過長政府在制定政策時漠視勞工權益勞工休假削減並不會減少\n\n00:41.295 --> 01:02.441\n並不會真正的促進經濟的發展而是代表的反而會減少這些國人出門消費的一個時間那我們根據勞動部的統計在112年的台灣受僱勞工的總工時是2019.6個小時跟OECD的39個主要國家相比的話我們是大概排名第五\n\n01:03.041 --> 01:21.975\n那鄰近國家不管是日本的1637個小時韓國的1874個小時還有OECD國家的平均的1742個小時我們台灣的勞工特休假大概跟國定假日加起來大概有20天也遠低於日本的26天韓國的30天\n\n01:24.877 --> 01:37.890\n還有歐美的28至60天以及伊朗的53天所以我想部長這些數據都告訴我們勞工的工時明顯過長而收價的權益也明顯不足您是否認同\n\n01:39.448 --> 01:56.622\n呃報告委員有關工時過長的部分不是由我業務主管單位的部分那我們是不是請李正次好嗎我們是在有關紀念日跟節日的部分要不要放假的問題好那我剛剛有特別提到五一勞動節現在就是我們的放假日只是針對全國勞工好我們是不是要不然請李正次來回答這個部分謝謝委員委好你好\n\n02:04.028 --> 02:32.476\n曾氏對您認不認同我們現在我剛剛所講的現在的勞工的工時明顯的過長因為跟其他的OECD的主要國家比我們其實39個國家我們排名第五那這個部分的話請問你認不認同我們的這個勞工的工時過長而且為什麼勞工要爭取這個收國定假日是謝謝委員吹噓那個如果跟OECD39個國家來比的話確實台灣勞工的年總工時是比較長的我們還是有很大的努力空間對\n\n02:34.292 --> 03:01.503\n對所以您也贊成我們應該要增加勞工的恢復他們七天假的國定假日嗎我認為國定假日的調整它涉及各行各業的營運模式工作型態都不一樣所以要通盤的討論事實上我們認為根據我們保安部的調查國定假日的調整可能是一種途徑可是最重要是加班工時我們必須要有一些行業它的加班工時是比較長的\n\n03:03.444 --> 03:29.325\n這個應該已經討論很久那如果再這樣無止境的討論下去這個議題當然不會有共識我是覺得勞動部是不是應該有更積極的作為去看哪些行業他們的這個部分可以用什麼方式來解決重點是要解決勞工工時過場的問題那增加他們休假我想這個應該是只是恢復我們過去的國家的七天假對於勞動部來說應該是極力贊成才對我們認為那個通盤考量之後這確實有討論的空間確實\n\n03:31.687 --> 03:56.158\n可是討論多久了還要討論多久這個因為是我們大院的這個討論我們一定會那我覺得勞動部應該有積極的態度提出相關的數據來去證明我們的勞工的工時確實過長否則的話說實在您站在這邊我有點搞不清楚你到底是勞動部的政策還是經濟部的政策我們勞動部不是應該站在勞工的立場為他們爭取相關的權益嗎\n\n03:57.779 --> 04:04.846\n我們勞動部一定是站在勞工的權利之下所以我覺得不要再用這種說我們還要再討論沒有共識相關的這個說法應該是要積極的去處理積極的提出相關的政治那為什麼你知道為什麼這個勞工希望能夠再恢復起點價嗎雖然我們有特休假可事實上我們的特休假依據我們勞動部的113年勞工生活跟就業狀況的調查報告\n\n04:22.822 --> 04:51.002\n企業對於未休完的特休假有40.5%採取折發工資也就是說他們根本沒辦法休息然後台灣平均勞工的這個有14.7天的特休可實際平均休假才8.3天那尤其是25到34歲的青年勞工特休假只有10.4天但真正休的只有5.4天所以特休假對於很多勞工來說其實是看得到休不到\n\n04:51.622 --> 05:20.473\n所以只有國定假日才有辦法讓他們真正的休假這也是為什麼我們今天在這邊要探討要恢復這七天甚至我想到底幾天大家都還可以來探討但重點是恢復國定假日我覺得這個是對現在勞工的權益很有必要來增加的各位說明勞基法它的修正之後特休假排駕權是在勞工手上所以勞工可以自己來決定要不要特休或特休幾天那我們勞務部一場\n\n05:21.213 --> 05:43.461\n這次你應該不會沒有聽過說很多勞工來投訴說事實上他們這些特休假有時候想休的時候是僱主不同意甚至有時候是用情熱的方式告訴你說因為你們部門人數少如果你休可能會造成其他員工的這樣子的一個工作的負擔增加所以呢用這種情熱的方式也不讓他們休假你應該有聽過吧有聽過那這時候\n\n05:45.982 --> 06:08.928\n這個就是老計法的單數就如果雇主認為有營運困難那就要徵求勞工的協商跟同意但是基本上排價權還是在勞工手上當然還是在勞工手上可是我剛剛跟你講的那個數據是你們統計的為什麼實際上14.7天只有8.3天的休假絕對我想不是勞工大家都我一定要來加班絕對不是這樣一定是被要求的\n\n06:09.508 --> 06:25.468\n所以我覺得唯有增加國定假日菜讓他們能夠真正能夠休假這是今天我想我們排案主要來審核這個法案的主要原因還是希望勞動部能夠站在我們這個所有廣大勞工的立場那接下來我是不是再請一下劉部長謝謝劉部長有請\n\n06:35.183 --> 06:55.115\n剛剛我們有提到我們針對特休的部分事實上勞工真的很多是看得到休不到所以卓院長已經特別有講過說假日的調整去符合國家意義符合全國的自信請問一下內政部有沒有研究如果要增加國定假日可以增加在哪幾天\n\n06:56.628 --> 07:17.789\n很抱歉那個院長他在行政院的質詢的時候是有特別提到第一個我們保持開放的態度那要增加放假的天數是怎麼樣的增加法那我剛在很多委員的垂詢的時候就有特別提到因為我們26個委員所提到的部分我們累計出來有31種不同的假日\n\n07:18.550 --> 07:32.026\n那所以很難做一個統合性不可能每一天都放假不可能提高到說我們放假31天那到底哪一個才是最好其實我們也必須要凝聚有朝野的共識還有我認為公司部門也必須要有共識對上個會期我們已經開過公聽會了是的\n\n07:36.892 --> 07:51.602\n那請問一下內政部針對剛剛你講我們的委員大概目前有31個希望放假的天數那基本上內政部有沒有研究說大概有哪幾天是一定可放或是大家基本上的共識有沒有哪幾天\n\n07:52.562 --> 08:15.710\n我們要尊重相關部門現在我們兩個諮詢的對象或是研議的對象一個當然就是行政院的人事總署一個當然就是勞動部目前看起來這兩個部會裡面跟內政部要達到一個共識但是裡面還有差一步就是各個委員之間也必須要有一個共識的版本出來那我們才能夠講否則會變成我想今天做完這個諮詢之後大家一定\n\n08:19.651 --> 08:36.922\n又可以共同來去研究出來很多事情不會每一件都至愛難行我們一定可以想辦法來去做到所以我想請教一下部長為了肯定教師節為教育事業所做的貢獻跟努力請問您贊不贊成教師節要恢復為國定假日\n\n08:39.764 --> 09:05.721\n包括委員教師節要恢復成國定假日是放假日啦齁那包括那個委員也提到說可能叫孔子誕辰紀念日喔那另外一個是民進黨的黨慶那我是覺得說這樣子放下去的話人家會好像是我們為了自己在做放假可是我們有考慮到不是喔我們不曉得民進黨的黨慶是9月28我們各種不同的聲音請問你知道國民黨的黨慶是幾號嗎不知道一般人不知道對啊所以我們也不知道不是我是說我們從不會得到的訊息\n\n09:08.283 --> 09:35.394\n但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的受教權偏鄉學生的受教權的問題如果沒有好好去解決這塊問題的話你要全國放假也是有個困難我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出一定有很多需要去溝通去努力執行的地方那我相信以劉部長您是來自於民意代表的身份應該有很多的相關的\n\n09:36.695 --> 09:52.253\n這個陳情也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法這方面我是對你有信心的你一定有辦法能夠解決另外就是根據今年的就是2025的民生議題的調查我們有個民調顯示就是支持還給勞工7天假有56.7%不支持的只有19.3%\n\n09:56.518 --> 10:13.241\n24%是沒有意見其中支持勞工節全民放假有66.3支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3支持光復節的有64.1支持行限紀念日的恢復國定假日有65.4所以部長您可以看到\n\n10:13.741 --> 10:39.817\n都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假那我是覺得針對這個部分是不是我們可以大家一起來討論不一定一次就放7天假我們要到底放幾天假我覺得這個可以討論而且當然現在有講到說對經濟的層面影響很大影響勝據剛剛在您的報告裡可是事實上所謂的影響勝據是多少就四個字而已並沒有真正的數據也是希望說我們大家如果真的會影響的話影響的數據是多少大家再提出來討論\n\n10:43.479 --> 10:57.550\n那因為今天的時間的關係可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分尤其是我不好意思我看一下最後一個表格您看一下因為這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家各位您可以看到的不管是歐洲國家\n\n10:58.732 --> 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紀念日；另外一個是民進黨的黨慶。我覺得這樣放下去的話，人家會覺得我們好像是為了自己在放假……"],["許委員宇甄：我們不曉得民進黨的黨慶是9月28日。"],["劉部長世芳：不是，我們有考慮到……沒有，我們各種不同的聲音……"],["許委員宇甄：請問你知道國民黨黨慶是幾號嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：不知道。"],["許委員宇甄：一般人不知道，對啊！所以我們也不知道民進黨的黨慶。"],["劉部長世芳：不，我是說我們從各方得到的訊息。"],["許委員宇甄：不會啦！不會覺得你們自肥。"],["劉部長世芳：但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的受教權，如果沒有好好解決偏鄉學生受教權這塊問題的話，要全國放假也是有個困難，然後我們有綜合整理……"],["許委員宇甄：我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出，一定有很多需要去溝通、努力執行的地方，我相信以劉部長來自於民意代表這樣的身分，應該有很多相關的陳情，也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法，這方面我是對你有信心的，你一定有辦法能夠解決。"],["劉部長世芳：謝謝，我們來努力。"],["許委員宇甄：另外，根據今（2025）年的民生議題調查，即有個民調顯示，支持還給勞工7天假的有56.7%，不支持的只有19.3%，24%沒有意見。其中，支持勞動節全民放假有66.3%，支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3%，支持光復節的有64.1%，支持行憲紀念日恢復國定假日的有65.4%，所以部長可以看到，都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假。針對這個部分，大家是不是可以一起來討論？不一定一次就放7天假，到底要放幾天假，我覺得都可以討論。當然現在有講到對經濟的層面影響很大、影響甚劇，剛剛在您的報告裡有提到。事實上，所謂的影響甚劇是多少？就四個字而已，並沒有真正的數據，如果真的會影響的話，影響的數據是多少，大家再提出來討論。今天因為時間的關係，可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分，尤其是……不好意思，您看一下最後一個表格，這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家的統計，歐洲國家的年假有30天以上，可是GDP比我們高很多。另外，我們看到日本的法定假日比臺灣多8天，它的GDP是臺灣的5.23倍。韓國也比臺灣多12天的假期，它的GDP也是臺灣的2.13倍。由此可見，假期的多寡並不是影響經濟表現的關鍵因素，所以這個部分可能要請內政部跟大家再來好好想辦法，怎麼增加國定假日，讓勞工不會產生過勞的狀況。請問一下部長，您認同休假並不會真正影響經濟成長的這個說法嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：我們剛剛已經有提過了，你所謂的總體經濟還是部分的，我剛講過就是小規模的，尤其是中小企業界以下，他們對於放假日增加會增加出的勞動成本，是一個比較難估算的部分，這些人數也不少。因為我們知道中小企業在臺灣大概有好幾十萬以上，這些人的聲音我們反而不容易聽到，所以從上一次、10月23日在內政委員會所提到這些中小企業界的聲音，我們也要考量在內。"],["許委員宇甄：我相信你要考量。"],["劉部長世芳：當然支持勞動部……"],["許委員宇甄：但是全國勞工有845萬人，所以我覺得大家要共同來……"],["劉部長世芳：但是我剛剛有提到5月1號，本來全國勞工就都放假，只是軍公教沒有放假，所以我們要解決的是軍公教跟勞工要一起放假的問題。"],["許委員宇甄：我們今天不只討論勞工節，現在是討論7天假，所以還是要麻煩部長，大家共同用智慧來解決這個問題，謝謝。"],["劉部長世芳：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝許宇甄委員。"],["主席（許委員宇甄代）：請牛煦庭召委。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":472,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-3","speakers":["牛煦庭","洪孟楷","張智倫","陳玉珍","賴士葆","高金素梅","翁曉玲","林倩綺","麥玉珍","蘇巧慧","張宏陸","李柏毅","王美惠","黃捷","黃建賓","許宇甄","吳琪銘","丁學忠","徐欣瑩","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","李彥秀","李坤城","葉元之","陳瑩"],"page_start":317,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142701_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；二、審查委員高金素梅等18人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條\n例草案」案；四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法\n草案」案；五、審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；六、審查委員陳\n玉珍等16 人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案；七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；八、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「國家紀念日及\n節日實施法草案」案；九、審查委員王鴻薇等19 人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；\n十、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十二、審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施\n條例草案」案；十三、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十四、審\n查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十五、審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具\n「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十六、審查委員許智傑等30人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實\n施條例草案」案；十七、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十八、\n審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十九、審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬\n具「國定假日法草案」案；二十、審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案\n【僅詢答及宣讀條文】","agenda_id":"1142701_00007"}}}