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00:01:37,387\n零頭而已啦五億但是我認為工程會的預算很重要就是這21%如果凍結又不解凍之後這個澳幣會慷慨主委你認為澳幣會慷慨會不會受到很大的影響因為這五億其中業務費是兩億凍結一半\n\n6\n00:01:45,692 --> 00:02:04,546\n那業務會是雖然我們並沒有資本支出啦我們沒有我們自己不發包工程但是這個業務會是再來督導或者是查核或者是管控所有的公共建設他的發包他的品質他的進度或協調爭議禮約等等要做這些事情\n\n7\n00:02:05,547 --> 00:02:29,613\n相對來講2億3億一半剩下一億嘛就是我們有一半的工作沒辦法做假設我今天我們的相關處要去看100座橋樑那我的業務已經凍結一半我只能去看50座橋樑啦就是一半那這樣影響所及我們今年我們今年納管的公共建設7700億嘛就1億以上的才納管其他各機關至於納管\n\n8\n00:02:31,294 --> 00:02:57,794\n7700億的公共建設如果凍結我們一半的業務費意思就是說我們只能先管控3300億的公共建設其他3300億的預算是沒有經費去管控的啦主委這就是本席擔心的問題啦剛剛你在業務簡報裡面有特別提到除了我們過去我們關切這個公共建設的進度之外那我想很重要就是我們賴總統提出均衡台灣這個政策\n\n9\n00:02:58,675 --> 00:03:16,590\n我想這個工程會也扮演很重要的一個角色還有我們現在兩名七月份颱風季節來臨的時候我們萬一有一些復健工程我們現在要去勘栽要去做一個審查的時候我看連年出差會就突然迷迷茫茫的這後面是怎麼出差怎麼看這個問題\n\n10\n00:03:19,976 --> 00:03:46,530\n凱米颱風各縣市都受到影響零四零三花蓮地震零一二一台南地震那這些跟這個災後重建復建有關的工程都必須要工程會來統合所以一定要到縣地去看然後其他機關主計或相關主管機關去看然後再來協助地方政府說這個大概可以補助多少地方政府把這些案送到工程會我們還去審\n\n11\n00:03:47,690 --> 00:04:08,363\n這個地方補助多少這個地方補助多少假設呢這個預算確實已經凍結沒辦法解凍那我們迅起來了今年的重大風災或其他的這個要重建的時候會影響到我們出勤的人數跟這個能力啦所以這裡面的確會受影響\n\n12\n00:04:10,448 --> 00:04:37,835\n陳友主委剛剛講的金職獎大家都在問金職獎不能做一半不能辦一半那你勘栽能夠只有勘上半年下半年不勘嗎如果說是兩億的預算凍結一半剩下一億那其他的其他剛才有尾算能不能調當然是可以調就其他的經常性的我這邊稍微調一下這邊挪一下盡量使用到一半但是金職獎這部分沒辦法調\n\n13\n00:04:38,795 --> 00:05:07,415\n金職獎沒辦法說我只使用多少以後同意再來辦如果我把其他的業務調到金職獎來那看起來是可以問題是在預算還沒有能不能解凍不知道的情況之下會互相排擠嘛排擠到其他的業務所以這個也是金職獎我們這個考慮在沒有獲得答應支持預算解凍的情況之下有可能今年會評估停辦的原因\n\n14\n00:05:08,295 --> 00:05:31,511\n是這樣子所以我認為公共工程委員會我們的業務也都非常非常的重要那除了公共工程委員會之外相關的各部會也會面臨這樣子預算如果不解凍我們很多業務真的受到影響這真的是要講清楚說明白了那我們這邊也呼籲我們幫我們交通委員我們的林朝偉跟我們的徐朝偉我們都會來希望來倒三天讓我們的案子可以做處理\n\n15\n00:05:33,112 --> 00:05:48,131\n那主委我想我們屏東縣這個去年我們來做的一個橋樑的一個檢測那其中全國一年裡面要檢測U3的橋樑有1461座那屏東縣是排名第二我們有\n\n16\n00:05:50,273 --> 00:06:13,488\n197座的橋樑必須要做一個一年要做處理那另外U4等級的部分就是嚴重損害的部分我們也是排名第二有兩件那剛剛主委說這個未來這個預算面臨這樣的一個困境怎麼樣協助屏東縣政府來做這樣的一個財政的一個處理然後甚至針對維修的橋樑的一個安全的部分來做一個檢測\n\n17\n00:06:16,026 --> 00:06:32,846\n我們會要求這個相關的橋樑的主管機關包括縣政府也好或專案機關也好U4的部分要立即處理啦立即改善U3的部分我們希望在迅速報未來一年內要改善的計畫到工程會來列管\n\n18\n00:06:33,877 --> 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主委辛苦我認識的主委 這個過去不管從中央到地方的歷練 擔任過很多的職務那甚至在這個政治的歷練上面 是我很敬重的一個前輩今天看到你 在想起來 很不甘的 很認的 不會生氣\n34745\t58115\t主委我想從剛剛我們看到前面幾位委員在質詢過程裡面我想又要馬而飛又要馬而不吃草那是不可能的事情尤其我們公共工程委員會兼顧的這個全國包含公共建設許多方面的包含採購預算的一些監督很多的一些重大工程的一個督促我們扮演很重要的一個角色\n58875\t84637\t現在我看這預算連連5億多包含目前凍結跟刪除大概有高達21%的部分主委前幾天我們看到我們在野黨的召委在運會的時候有點名了我們好幾個部會主委有用點到沒有那一天你是說副總召那天沒有因為我們工程會是預算是很少大概就\n85819\t97387\t零頭而已啦 五億但是我認為工程會的預算很重要就是這21%如果凍結又不解凍之後這個澳幣會慷慨主委你認為澳幣會慷慨 會不會受到很大的影響因為這五億 其中業務費是兩億 凍結一半\n105692\t124546\t那業務會是雖然我們並沒有資本支出啦我們沒有我們自己不發包工程但是這個業務會是再來督導或者是查核或者是管控所有的公共建設他的發包他的品質他的進度或協調爭議禮約等等要做這些事情\n125547\t149613\t相對來講2億3億一半剩下一億嘛就是我們有一半的工作沒辦法做假設我今天我們的相關處要去看100座橋樑那我的業務已經凍結一半我只能去看50座橋樑啦就是一半那這樣影響所及我們今年我們今年納管的公共建設7700億嘛就1億以上的才納管其他各機關至於納管\n151294\t177794\t7700億的公共建設如果凍結我們一半的業務費意思就是說我們只能先管控3300億的公共建設其他3300億的預算是沒有經費去管控的啦主委這就是本席擔心的問題啦剛剛你在業務簡報裡面有特別提到除了我們過去我們關切這個公共建設的進度之外那我想很重要就是我們賴總統提出均衡台灣這個政策\n178675\t196590\t我想這個工程會也扮演很重要的一個角色還有我們現在兩名七月份颱風季節來臨的時候我們萬一有一些復健工程我們現在要去勘栽要去做一個審查的時候我看連年出差會就突然迷迷茫茫的這後面是怎麼出差怎麼看這個問題\n199976\t226530\t凱米颱風各縣市都受到影響零四零三花蓮地震零一二一台南地震那這些跟這個災後重建復建有關的工程都必須要工程會來統合所以一定要到縣地去看然後其他機關主計或相關主管機關去看然後再來協助地方政府說這個大概可以補助多少地方政府把這些案送到工程會我們還去審\n227690\t248363\t這個地方補助多少這個地方補助多少假設呢這個預算確實已經凍結沒辦法解凍那我們迅起來了今年的重大風災或其他的這個要重建的時候會影響到我們出勤的人數跟這個能力啦所以這裡面的確會受影響\n250448\t277835\t陳友主委剛剛講的金職獎 大家都在問金職獎不能做一半 不能辦一半那你勘栽能夠只有勘上半年 下半年不勘嗎如果說是兩億的預算凍結一半 剩下一億那其他的 其他剛才有尾算能不能調當然是可以調 就其他的經常性的我這邊稍微調一下 這邊挪一下盡量使用到一半但是金職獎這部分沒辦法調\n278795\t307415\t金職獎沒辦法說我只使用多少以後同意再來辦如果我把其他的業務調到金職獎來那看起來是可以問題是在預算還沒有能不能解凍不知道的情況之下會互相排擠嘛排擠到其他的業務所以這個也是金職獎我們這個考慮在沒有獲得答應支持預算解凍的情況之下有可能今年會評估停辦的原因\n308295\t331511\t是這樣子所以我認為公共工程委員會我們的業務也都非常非常的重要那除了公共工程委員會之外相關的各部會也會面臨這樣子預算如果不解凍我們很多業務真的受到影響這真的是要講清楚說明白了那我們這邊也呼籲我們幫我們交通委員我們的林朝偉跟我們的徐朝偉我們都會來希望來倒三天讓我們的案子可以做處理\n333112\t348131\t那主委我想我們屏東縣這個去年我們來做的一個橋樑的一個檢測那其中全國一年裡面要檢測U3的橋樑有1461座那屏東縣是排名第二我們有\n350273\t373488\t197座的橋樑必須要做一個一年要做處理那另外U4等級的部分就是嚴重損害的部分我們也是排名第二有兩件那剛剛主委說這個未來這個預算面臨這樣的一個困境怎麼樣協助屏東縣政府來做這樣的一個財政的一個處理然後甚至針對維修的橋樑的一個安全的部分來做一個檢測\n376026\t392846\t我們會要求這個相關的橋樑的主管機關包括縣政府也好或專案機關也好U4的部分要立即處理啦立即改善U3的部分我們希望在迅速報未來一年內要改善的計畫到工程會來列管\n393877\t413137\t主委那剛剛已經講過了就是我們現在運營所一年只有湊查300座我想這數量真的是不足啦怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個建設它的維修機關或上級機關會去看然後每兩年至少要去查核一次啦是啊這本身我們又來幫忙跨部會來督促一下\n414622\t431519\t我們會要求相關的主管機關或維修機關一定要依法依相關規定每兩年要去檢測一次好 這部分我們還是維護我們的車輛安全那您我想根據主計總出這個物價的一個指數那2021年我們漲了10.94%2022年漲了7.36%\n438706\t452012\t去年1.74%然後我想這樣的一個工程物價指數的不斷上漲我想對於我們的營建業者造成很大的一個壓力尤其我們很多公共工程的發包這注意最清楚的這都面臨很多這個預算的一個問題\n454993\t473669\t這個我在去年的時候在這邊有請教過主委要怎麼樣來協助我們這個屏東縣政府來做這樣的一個合理性的一個招標然後能夠讓我們很多的公用工程能夠順利那主委面對我們這個物價上漲的速度我們物條的部分這部分要怎麼樣的協助\n475945\t502168\t是如果已經執行完畢了那造成禮約爭議啊那麼工程會會協助來調解啦來執行後來調解如果在執行中的因為誤調的這個主張那麼縣市政府或主辦機關他可以提改就修正計劃修正計劃看主管機關來核定是不是能來再來修正相關的預算\n503554\t526165\t因為主委也很清楚屏東縣的狀況我們有原鄉有橫峰半島偏鄉然後還有離島地區所以我們針對所謂的很多相關的物價成本都比其他地方要更高所以我們提出來的部分也希望我們主委這邊能夠全力來協助不過因為現在有些已經本來已經核定\n527353\t546959\t或者是已經準備核定的重大的工件那麼因為預算不知道還有財劃法的執行都有的會有暫停所以也許這一未來這一兩年整個重大工工程發包可能會順延沒有像以前那麼多好主委謝謝你辛苦了謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們陳主委好 陳主委\n委員長 主委早 主委辛苦我認識的主委 這個過去不管從中央到地方的歷練 擔任過很多的職務那甚至在這個政治的歷練上面 是我很敬重的一個前輩今天看到你 在想起來 很不甘的 很認的 不會生氣\n主委我想從剛剛我們看到前面幾位委員在質詢過程裡面我想又要馬而飛又要馬而不吃草那是不可能的事情尤其我們公共工程委員會兼顧的這個全國包含公共建設許多方面的包含採購預算的一些監督很多的一些重大工程的一個督促我們扮演很重要的一個角色\n現在我看這預算連連5億多包含目前凍結跟刪除大概有高達21%的部分主委前幾天我們看到我們在野黨的召委在運會的時候有點名了我們好幾個部會主委有用點到沒有那一天你是說副總召那天沒有因為我們工程會是預算是很少大概就\n零頭而已啦 五億但是我認為工程會的預算很重要就是這21%如果凍結又不解凍之後這個澳幣會慷慨主委你認為澳幣會慷慨 會不會受到很大的影響因為這五億 其中業務費是兩億 凍結一半\n那業務會是雖然我們並沒有資本支出啦我們沒有我們自己不發包工程但是這個業務會是再來督導或者是查核或者是管控所有的公共建設他的發包他的品質他的進度或協調爭議禮約等等要做這些事情\n相對來講2億3億一半剩下一億嘛就是我們有一半的工作沒辦法做假設我今天我們的相關處要去看100座橋樑那我的業務已經凍結一半我只能去看50座橋樑啦就是一半那這樣影響所及我們今年我們今年納管的公共建設7700億嘛就1億以上的才納管其他各機關至於納管\n7700億的公共建設如果凍結我們一半的業務費意思就是說我們只能先管控3300億的公共建設其他3300億的預算是沒有經費去管控的啦主委這就是本席擔心的問題啦剛剛你在業務簡報裡面有特別提到除了我們過去我們關切這個公共建設的進度之外那我想很重要就是我們賴總統提出均衡台灣這個政策\n我想這個工程會也扮演很重要的一個角色還有我們現在兩名七月份颱風季節來臨的時候我們萬一有一些復健工程我們現在要去勘栽要去做一個審查的時候我看連年出差會就突然迷迷茫茫的這後面是怎麼出差怎麼看這個問題\n凱米颱風各縣市都受到影響零四零三花蓮地震零一二一台南地震那這些跟這個災後重建復建有關的工程都必須要工程會來統合所以一定要到縣地去看然後其他機關主計或相關主管機關去看然後再來協助地方政府說這個大概可以補助多少地方政府把這些案送到工程會我們還去審\n這個地方補助多少這個地方補助多少假設呢這個預算確實已經凍結沒辦法解凍那我們迅起來了今年的重大風災或其他的這個要重建的時候會影響到我們出勤的人數跟這個能力啦所以這裡面的確會受影響\n陳友主委剛剛講的金職獎 大家都在問金職獎不能做一半 不能辦一半那你勘栽能夠只有勘上半年 下半年不勘嗎如果說是兩億的預算凍結一半 剩下一億那其他的 其他剛才有尾算能不能調當然是可以調 就其他的經常性的我這邊稍微調一下 這邊挪一下盡量使用到一半但是金職獎這部分沒辦法調\n金職獎沒辦法說我只使用多少以後同意再來辦如果我把其他的業務調到金職獎來那看起來是可以問題是在預算還沒有能不能解凍不知道的情況之下會互相排擠嘛排擠到其他的業務所以這個也是金職獎我們這個考慮在沒有獲得答應支持預算解凍的情況之下有可能今年會評估停辦的原因\n是這樣子所以我認為公共工程委員會我們的業務也都非常非常的重要那除了公共工程委員會之外相關的各部會也會面臨這樣子預算如果不解凍我們很多業務真的受到影響這真的是要講清楚說明白了那我們這邊也呼籲我們幫我們交通委員我們的林朝偉跟我們的徐朝偉我們都會來希望來倒三天讓我們的案子可以做處理\n那主委我想我們屏東縣這個去年我們來做的一個橋樑的一個檢測那其中全國一年裡面要檢測U3的橋樑有1461座那屏東縣是排名第二我們有\n197座的橋樑必須要做一個一年要做處理那另外U4等級的部分就是嚴重損害的部分我們也是排名第二有兩件那剛剛主委說這個未來這個預算面臨這樣的一個困境怎麼樣協助屏東縣政府來做這樣的一個財政的一個處理然後甚至針對維修的橋樑的一個安全的部分來做一個檢測\n我們會要求這個相關的橋樑的主管機關包括縣政府也好或專案機關也好U4的部分要立即處理啦立即改善U3的部分我們希望在迅速報未來一年內要改善的計畫到工程會來列管\n主委那剛剛已經講過了就是我們現在運營所一年只有湊查300座我想這數量真的是不足啦怎麼樣去強化這樣的一個建設它的維修機關或上級機關會去看然後每兩年至少要去查核一次啦是啊這本身我們又來幫忙跨部會來督促一下\n我們會要求相關的主管機關或維修機關一定要依法依相關規定每兩年要去檢測一次好 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