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00:02:54,675\n當然說在這過程中我還是也肯定工程會的同仁大家公家機關的公務員大家其實包括主委也是非常的盡力的在把工作做好那一直在提到金職獎我在想延續不分藍綠的委員其實都希望金職獎能夠在今年25年到現在能夠持續舉辦這沒錯吧\n\n8\n00:02:57,034 --> 00:03:20,509\n當然是因為這個金子獎各界很重視也都長期在準備我們是希望他不要間斷能夠繼續辦好那就希望說主委能夠讓他持續舉辦因為我必須坦白說那在目前來講雖然是動50但是在這個部分他並不是針對金子獎的部分來去動那如果再提到媒體宣傳費我坦白說\n\n9\n00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:41,544\n剛才有人有提到說這個部分動的話是不是1450啊或是特定媒體那我旁邊講不要說委員有這麼提到那許多的民眾其實也都會有這樣的疑慮那在任何的一個解凍的過程中啊那我就該把這個過去的在第一會期的資料調出來\n\n10\n00:03:42,867 --> 00:04:01,525\n那在這裡那時候在解凍案的部分如果說在113年在去年的時候中央政府總預算關於就是工程委員會解凍案等幾案均同意動之體報院會所以在經費的解凍的話它還是有它的文字跟有它的法規\n\n11\n00:04:02,506 --> 00:04:26,747\n所以我是覺得到時候你要提解動案我相信不分藍綠啦那其實也絕對都支持著這個金質獎的相關的經費能夠持續來去做一個辦理啊那所以我是覺得在這個金質獎我相信主委跟大家不分藍綠跟許多工程界他們總是特別重視我覺得還是希望是往這個辦理的方向來去進行\n\n12\n00:04:27,668 --> 00:04:50,276\n那其實在我相信媒體朋友不管在現場的或是在辦公室的他們其實也都知道啦我坦白講在現在的這個預算的這個過程中啊不管是看到行政團隊去下降旋轉旋降許多的機關在民眾的認知上那他其實感覺起來都有KPI啦\n\n13\n00:04:50,996 --> 00:05:19,999\n那其實像總統府的KPI就是大家的點心被取消了還或者是總統府不分時間要熄燈了或是不讓民眾來去做這個參觀但是許多單位各式各樣的一個做法來去講這個預算那回頭來講民眾的各自有解讀但是我是覺得在工程委員會其實大家也是在做也是為人民做事包括主委\n\n14\n00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:39,294\n那所以金職獎的部分在辦理上我覺得如果到最後會變成這個工程會的KPI的話那這個會甚為可惜所以我還是希望說主委能夠往辦理的方向來去進行那至於剛才有委有提到說這個預算綁住人民的手腳我坦白講\n\n15\n00:05:40,094 --> 00:06:03,032\n大家要去思考在過去的這一年那其實我們看到我相信工程會的預算大家在使用上也是盡心盡力所以那時候在交通委員會的甚至好像交通委員會的委員不分藍綠其他都是支持但是我們看到包括救安基金他的這個經費預算拿去辦演唱會包括拿去做室內的高級裝潢\n\n16\n00:06:04,173 --> 00:06:19,218\n那包括其實其他單位都有傳出這些預算使用不當的這個問題那我覺得在我們民意代表的角色上本來就是務實來監督來去審查預算所以凍結的部分我坦白講如果今天任何一個民意代表\n\n17\n00:06:19,858 --> 00:06:44,736\n在監督預算的時候那都不去做任何合理監督、理性監督、嚴格監督的情況我相信這也不是全民所樂見那所以說今天綁住的不是機關的預算反而是綁住像過去的這些例子那我覺得將來如果合理的部分我們大家一定會支持但是還是要請不管是工程會或是各單位在預算的解凍報告上\n\n18\n00:06:45,396 --> 00:07:10,135\n那還是要盡力的來去讓社會各界寫的東西能夠讓大家能夠接受檢驗那我相信大家也會那過去的話其實在解冬季專案的許多報告上其他的單位有些解讀就草草一張紙那並不一定把認真的把這個解冬的過程解冬的內容執行的情況有詳細的跟社會各界交代那也同樣來這個機會也跟大家就是\n\n19\n00:07:10,856 --> 00:07:38,379\n就是請大家在解凍案未來再提的時候相關的報告我相信這個執行率還要包括這個內容來講其實預算案大家全民都在看現在都攤在陽光底下我們提了什麼樣的案子都可以可供檢驗那同樣的未來解凍案的這些書面資料書面報告跟執行率跟相關的理由事由我相信也是會被社會各界所檢驗所以我還是在這裡還是勉勵大家還能夠盡力的來去努力\n\n20\n00:07:38,979 --> 00:07:55,715\n那最後的話我再針對這個35座橋樑被評為U4整齊那南投的綠美橋有沒有在名單之內南投的橋沒有U3U4的好那目前來講全國的這個部分那相關的近期的橋樑檢測計畫\n\n21\n00:07:57,296 --> 00:08:24,936\n那預計這U4的部分什麼時候可以把它完全修復U4就是要立即處理所以我們會通知那個主管機關或者是維修的機關要最迅速的來處理那其他的一年內要處理的我們會請這些機關提他的維修或者是改善的計畫好那最後的話就是本席針對剛才有提到推動淨林建築的部分那請問一下工程會目前的立場跟進度為何\n\n22\n00:08:26,558 --> 00:08:49,266\n淨零是我們政府的總目標2050那我剛才的說法是這樣就是說有排碳有固碳希望能夠綜合以公共工程來講他的目標不會是只有淨零排碳這件事情他有安全有結構安全有方便有設計所以這是一個總目標的最適設計所以不能說以\n\n23\n00:08:50,346 --> 00:09:06,680\n排碳為唯一的目標讓其他的設計要配合這個排碳那其他的結構安全怎麼辦呢比方說鋼構一定比磚排碳更多那難道我們都以排碳為目標所以所有的房子都要磚造嗎不是嘛\n\n24\n00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:33,654\n所以它是一個綜合的設計那淨零當然我們要重視所以我們全生命週期的包括這個建材它在生產過程這個在開採過程或者是我們就地取材減少運輸那綜合的來把這個碳啊能夠減下來這是我們的目標我們也會全力以赴也會督導其他的所有的主辦機關來注意到關於排碳這件事情要自我檢核\n\n25\n00:09:34,994 --> 00:10:02,793\n好那因為這是剛才延續洪孟愷委員所提問的那讓你能夠補充說明那本席也同樣希望在相關的建築工程的話公共總委會絕對是專業中的專業但是也由於你也就是身兼政委員以及過去對地方上面機關上面也都非常熟悉業務那這個兩者之間的平衡那還是由來主委會來來講來推動還也可以跟後續跟委員會大家再做個報告好謝謝\n\n26\n00:10:06,325 --> 00:10:08,505\n好謝謝尤浩偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n18727\t45397\t謝謝趙委主席有請陳經理陳主委好陳主委委員長主委長那剛才延續的有提到這個國家安全那在政府採購契約是否會認為有無違反那這個當然是回到自由行政我相信任何的民生基礎設施都是屬於國家安全重要一環這樣沒錯吧\n47889\t63523\t我們希望工程會能做希望比較具體那就具體化的話必須要有規範或者是指引或者是對象等等比較具體那國家安全部門必須配合相關單位那我直接想要請教一下主委那像現在目前來講\n64784\t92481\t在賴清德總統發表談話之後在這三四天國際情勢也有非常多的變化包括福建這邊也開始要進行軍演然後中國大陸那邊台灣這邊也是人心惶惶日本九州那邊也要部署長程的導彈我想問一下在賴總統談話之後的這三四天有沒有感受到台灣兩岸之間的緊張程度明顯升溫\n94792\t110941\t鮑賀委員的確不好意思這樣回答啦對岸對台灣的這個不友善跟那個侵略的野心從來沒改變過那我想問一下所以說你是認為有持續升溫了嗎不是我們這個段時間來他的戰機也好軍艦也好隨時要來就來嘛\n113642\t136619\t這不會是一個友善的因為我們這邊也不是外交國防啦那所以說我是認為你剛才的回答其實也認為持續升溫啦那我還是在這裡還是要再次強調過去馬英九總統執政時期這八年啦其實是都沒有這些狀況啦那賴清德總統在發表談話之後其實國家安全我相信不分藍綠大家都重視啊那包括全民也都重視那在這段期間來講\n137660\t153779\t我是覺得確實明顯升溫啦所以回到剛才國家安全的這一環那如果說要的話那工程會有相關的準則讓大家如果再填寫的話那是要有相關的指引那延續的後面要提問的那剛才你有提到的\n154880\t174675\t當然說在這過程中我還是也肯定工程會的同仁大家公家機關的公務員大家其實包括主委也是非常的盡力的在把工作做好那一直在提到金職獎我在想延續不分藍綠的委員其實都希望金職獎能夠在今年25年到現在能夠持續舉辦這沒錯吧\n177034\t200509\t當然是因為這個金子獎各界很重視也都長期在準備我們是希望他不要間斷能夠繼續辦好那就希望說主委能夠讓他持續舉辦因為我必須坦白說那在目前來講雖然是動50但是在這個部分他並不是針對金子獎的部分來去動那如果再提到媒體宣傳費我坦白說\n201750\t221544\t剛才有人有提到說這個部分動的話是不是1450啊或是特定媒體那我旁邊講不要說委員有這麼提到那許多的民眾其實也都會有這樣的疑慮那在任何的一個解凍的過程中啊那我就該把這個過去的在第一會期的資料調出來\n222867\t241525\t那在這裡那時候在解凍案的部分如果說在113年在去年的時候中央政府總預算關於就是工程委員會解凍案等幾案均同意動之體報院會所以在經費的解凍的話它還是有它的文字跟有它的法規\n242506\t266747\t所以我是覺得到時候你要提解動案我相信不分藍綠啦那其實也絕對都支持著這個金質獎的相關的經費能夠持續來去做一個辦理啊那所以我是覺得在這個金質獎我相信主委跟大家不分藍綠跟許多工程界他們總是特別重視我覺得還是希望是往這個辦理的方向來去進行\n267668\t290276\t那其實在 我相信媒體朋友不管在現場的或是在辦公室的他們其實也都知道啦 我坦白講在現在的這個預算的這個過程中啊不管是看到行政團隊去下降旋轉 旋降許多的機關在民眾的認知上 那他其實感覺起來都有KPI啦\n290996\t319999\t那其實像總統府的KPI就是大家的點心被取消了還或者是總統府不分時間要熄燈了或是不讓民眾來去做這個參觀但是許多單位各式各樣的一個做法來去講這個預算那回頭來講民眾的各自有解讀但是我是覺得在工程委員會其實大家也是在做也是為人民做事包括主委\n320740\t339294\t那所以金職獎的部分在辦理上我覺得如果到最後會變成這個工程會的KPI的話那這個會甚為可惜所以我還是希望說主委能夠往辦理的方向來去進行那至於剛才有委有提到說這個預算綁住人民的手腳我坦白講\n340094\t363032\t大家要去思考在過去的這一年那其實我們看到我相信工程會的預算大家在使用上也是盡心盡力所以那時候在交通委員會的甚至好像交通委員會的委員不分藍綠其他都是支持但是我們看到包括救安基金他的這個經費預算拿去辦演唱會包括拿去做室內的高級裝潢\n364173\t379218\t那包括其實其他單位都有傳出這些預算使用不當的這個問題那我覺得在我們民意代表的角色上本來就是務實來監督來去審查預算所以凍結的部分我坦白講如果今天任何一個民意代表\n379858\t404736\t在監督預算的時候那都不去做任何合理監督、理性監督、嚴格監督的情況我相信這也不是全民所樂見那所以說今天綁住的不是機關的預算反而是綁住像過去的這些例子那我覺得將來如果合理的部分我們大家一定會支持但是還是要請不管是工程會或是各單位在預算的解凍報告上\n405396\t430135\t那還是要盡力的來去讓社會各界寫的東西能夠讓大家能夠接受檢驗那我相信大家也會那過去的話其實在解冬季專案的許多報告上其他的單位有些解讀就草草一張紙那並不一定把認真的把這個解冬的過程解冬的內容執行的情況有詳細的跟社會各界交代那也同樣來這個機會也跟大家就是\n430856\t458379\t就是請大家在解凍案未來再提的時候相關的報告我相信這個執行率還要包括這個內容來講其實預算案大家全民都在看現在都攤在陽光底下我們提了什麼樣的案子都可以可供檢驗那同樣的未來解凍案的這些書面資料書面報告跟執行率跟相關的理由事由我相信也是會被社會各界所檢驗所以我還是在這裡還是勉勵大家還能夠盡力的來去努力\n458979\t475715\t那最後的話我再針對這個35座橋樑被評為U4整齊那南投的綠美橋有沒有在名單之內南投的橋沒有U3 U4的好那目前來講全國的這個部分那相關的近期的橋樑檢測計畫\n477296\t504936\t那預計這U4的部分什麼時候可以把它完全修復U4就是要立即處理所以我們會通知那個主管機關或者是維修的機關要最迅速的來處理那其他的一年內要處理的我們會請這些機關提他的維修或者是改善的計畫好那最後的話就是本席針對剛才有提到推動淨林建築的部分那請問一下工程會目前的立場跟進度為何\n506558\t529266\t淨零是我們政府的總目標2050那我剛才的說法是這樣就是說有排碳有固碳希望能夠綜合以公共工程來講他的目標不會是只有淨零排碳這件事情他有安全有結構安全有方便有設計所以這是一個總目標的最適設計所以不能說以\n530346\t546680\t排碳為唯一的目標讓其他的設計要配合這個排碳那其他的結構安全怎麼辦呢比方說鋼構一定比磚排碳更多那難道我們都以排碳為目標所以所有的房子都要磚造嗎不是嘛\n547040\t573654\t所以它是一個綜合的設計那淨零當然我們要重視所以我們全生命週期的包括這個建材它在生產過程這個在開採過程或者是我們就地取材減少運輸那綜合的來把這個碳啊能夠減下來這是我們的目標我們也會全力以赴也會督導其他的所有的主辦機關來注意到關於排碳這件事情要自我檢核\n574994\t602793\t好 那因為這是剛才延續洪孟愷委員所提問的那讓你能夠補充說明那本席也同樣希望在相關的建築工程的話公共總委會絕對是專業中的專業但是也由於你也就是身兼政委員以及過去對地方上面機關上面也都非常熟悉業務那這個兩者之間的平衡那還是由來主委會來來講來推動還也可以跟後續跟委員會大家再做個報告好 謝謝\n606325\t608505\t好謝謝尤浩偉\n","txt":"謝謝趙委主席有請陳經理陳主委好陳主委委員長主委長那剛才延續的有提到這個國家安全那在政府採購契約是否會認為有無違反那這個當然是回到自由行政我相信任何的民生基礎設施都是屬於國家安全重要一環這樣沒錯吧\n我們希望工程會能做希望比較具體那就具體化的話必須要有規範或者是指引或者是對象等等比較具體那國家安全部門必須配合相關單位那我直接想要請教一下主委那像現在目前來講\n在賴清德總統發表談話之後在這三四天國際情勢也有非常多的變化包括福建這邊也開始要進行軍演然後中國大陸那邊台灣這邊也是人心惶惶日本九州那邊也要部署長程的導彈我想問一下在賴總統談話之後的這三四天有沒有感受到台灣兩岸之間的緊張程度明顯升溫\n鮑賀委員的確不好意思這樣回答啦對岸對台灣的這個不友善跟那個侵略的野心從來沒改變過那我想問一下所以說你是認為有持續升溫了嗎不是我們這個段時間來他的戰機也好軍艦也好隨時要來就來嘛\n這不會是一個友善的因為我們這邊也不是外交國防啦那所以說我是認為你剛才的回答其實也認為持續升溫啦那我還是在這裡還是要再次強調過去馬英九總統執政時期這八年啦其實是都沒有這些狀況啦那賴清德總統在發表談話之後其實國家安全我相信不分藍綠大家都重視啊那包括全民也都重視那在這段期間來講\n我是覺得確實明顯升溫啦所以回到剛才國家安全的這一環那如果說要的話那工程會有相關的準則讓大家如果再填寫的話那是要有相關的指引那延續的後面要提問的那剛才你有提到的\n當然說在這過程中我還是也肯定工程會的同仁大家公家機關的公務員大家其實包括主委也是非常的盡力的在把工作做好那一直在提到金職獎我在想延續不分藍綠的委員其實都希望金職獎能夠在今年25年到現在能夠持續舉辦這沒錯吧\n當然是因為這個金子獎各界很重視也都長期在準備我們是希望他不要間斷能夠繼續辦好那就希望說主委能夠讓他持續舉辦因為我必須坦白說那在目前來講雖然是動50但是在這個部分他並不是針對金子獎的部分來去動那如果再提到媒體宣傳費我坦白說\n剛才有人有提到說這個部分動的話是不是1450啊或是特定媒體那我旁邊講不要說委員有這麼提到那許多的民眾其實也都會有這樣的疑慮那在任何的一個解凍的過程中啊那我就該把這個過去的在第一會期的資料調出來\n那在這裡那時候在解凍案的部分如果說在113年在去年的時候中央政府總預算關於就是工程委員會解凍案等幾案均同意動之體報院會所以在經費的解凍的話它還是有它的文字跟有它的法規\n所以我是覺得到時候你要提解動案我相信不分藍綠啦那其實也絕對都支持著這個金質獎的相關的經費能夠持續來去做一個辦理啊那所以我是覺得在這個金質獎我相信主委跟大家不分藍綠跟許多工程界他們總是特別重視我覺得還是希望是往這個辦理的方向來去進行\n那其實在 我相信媒體朋友不管在現場的或是在辦公室的他們其實也都知道啦 我坦白講在現在的這個預算的這個過程中啊不管是看到行政團隊去下降旋轉 旋降許多的機關在民眾的認知上 那他其實感覺起來都有KPI啦\n那其實像總統府的KPI就是大家的點心被取消了還或者是總統府不分時間要熄燈了或是不讓民眾來去做這個參觀但是許多單位各式各樣的一個做法來去講這個預算那回頭來講民眾的各自有解讀但是我是覺得在工程委員會其實大家也是在做也是為人民做事包括主委\n那所以金職獎的部分在辦理上我覺得如果到最後會變成這個工程會的KPI的話那這個會甚為可惜所以我還是希望說主委能夠往辦理的方向來去進行那至於剛才有委有提到說這個預算綁住人民的手腳我坦白講\n大家要去思考在過去的這一年那其實我們看到我相信工程會的預算大家在使用上也是盡心盡力所以那時候在交通委員會的甚至好像交通委員會的委員不分藍綠其他都是支持但是我們看到包括救安基金他的這個經費預算拿去辦演唱會包括拿去做室內的高級裝潢\n那包括其實其他單位都有傳出這些預算使用不當的這個問題那我覺得在我們民意代表的角色上本來就是務實來監督來去審查預算所以凍結的部分我坦白講如果今天任何一個民意代表\n在監督預算的時候那都不去做任何合理監督、理性監督、嚴格監督的情況我相信這也不是全民所樂見那所以說今天綁住的不是機關的預算反而是綁住像過去的這些例子那我覺得將來如果合理的部分我們大家一定會支持但是還是要請不管是工程會或是各單位在預算的解凍報告上\n那還是要盡力的來去讓社會各界寫的東西能夠讓大家能夠接受檢驗那我相信大家也會那過去的話其實在解冬季專案的許多報告上其他的單位有些解讀就草草一張紙那並不一定把認真的把這個解冬的過程解冬的內容執行的情況有詳細的跟社會各界交代那也同樣來這個機會也跟大家就是\n就是請大家在解凍案未來再提的時候相關的報告我相信這個執行率還要包括這個內容來講其實預算案大家全民都在看現在都攤在陽光底下我們提了什麼樣的案子都可以可供檢驗那同樣的未來解凍案的這些書面資料書面報告跟執行率跟相關的理由事由我相信也是會被社會各界所檢驗所以我還是在這裡還是勉勵大家還能夠盡力的來去努力\n那最後的話我再針對這個35座橋樑被評為U4整齊那南投的綠美橋有沒有在名單之內南投的橋沒有U3 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