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591.696, \"end\": 591.816, \"score\": 0.85}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"這\"}, {\"word\": \"個\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 591.816, \"end\": 591.836, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"員\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:11,377 --> 00:00:23,963\n好謝謝主席我們所有的立院同仁還有我們部會首長大家早安大家好我們是不是請一下吳主委請吳主委備質詢謝謝\n\n2\n00:00:27,503 --> 00:00:44,961\n林委員好吳主委您好今天是本席在這個會期的第一次對國科會的一個質詢本席在這邊想要先跟您追蹤一下上個會期的質詢順便藉這個機會有一些提醒我這邊先一兩個重點來跟您\n\n3\n00:00:45,822 --> 00:01:10,920\n探討一下其中一個應該主委還記得本席是原住民的身份所以我都會特別關心原住民在整個科研當中還有在國科會的相關的問題所以我一直還是很感謝您在去年一來到就職之後到本席的辦公室探討的時候我們就有講到在原住民的議題的研究上\n\n4\n00:01:11,460 --> 00:01:26,653\n那過去都只有整合型的計畫那是不是可以開放給個別型那主委在當場就因為我們行話講話所以您也很清楚所以當場就答應給原住民的議題有個別型的研究\n\n5\n00:01:27,433 --> 00:01:51,335\n非常感謝這一點後來在執行的時候就有一個狀況發生了其實當時我這樣一個想法是希望我們在原住民議題的研究上有更大的空間但是會裡面在執行的時候我不知道是變異形式還是沒有想到所以你們在開了個別型研究的同時還是希望\n\n6\n00:01:51,815 --> 00:02:11,321\n在個別型還有整合型通通都在族群研究的架構下去做處理這個部分是不是可以請主委在今年或未來的研究上當您開放是個別型請不要再用一個主題或研究的方向把這樣一個研究的題材給限縮住那我覺得這樣對原住民\n\n7\n00:02:12,521 --> 00:02:28,282\n身份的或原住民議題的研究上可以有更寬廣的空間是不是可以請主席研擬一下謝謝委員今天我了解一下但是我認為我們原住民的學者他不一定要研究原住民的主題的\n\n8\n00:02:29,203 --> 00:02:50,188\n這就是我的意思啊所以你們因為這個什麼族群關係的這個主題下那變成原住民的學者也好非原住民的學者也好在原住民的議題上都必須要研究族群關係那其實也很難再跳脫原住民這個框架的議題這是我的意思那請主委了解一下那是不是就我提的這個部分再做一些研討\n\n9\n00:02:51,808 --> 00:03:11,524\n好謝謝另外第二個部分是我們在談到國科會的資金分配公立大學跟私立大學的一個差異我想主委那時候也很有同感因為您的背景上對私立大學也略有所知這個部分我可能再提醒一下希望在這個會期我們能夠有更往前的一些進度我們已經規劃\n\n10\n00:03:13,005 --> 00:03:39,256\n應該已經公布了就是今年開始我們計劃申請我們會增加這個第一就是私立大學就是不會資源全部都是在國立然後我們技職體系當然原住民剛剛講的那個是沒有問題我們都按照委員的這個意思我們都擴大了所以資源就不會集中在少數的學校\n\n11\n00:03:39,676 --> 00:03:49,700\n好謝謝也很高興至少這樣一個開啟那是不是請會內把相關的資訊也給我讓我再檢視一下是不是跟我們所講的這個方向是一致的好謝謝主委接下來議題就最近的幾個議題來做討論\n\n12\n00:03:55,402 --> 00:04:02,385\n那第二個部分就是中科二期擴建求證補償協商的這個爭議那當然這中間可能已經有一些過程那這個最主要就是這個新榮球場1750張的這個求證補償爭議也可能有點過久那大家集體的這個不滿那在先前3月7號的時候呢又到中科院這邊去抗議那所以在這個中科院\n\n13\n00:04:20,574 --> 00:04:34,066\n還有這個國科會的這個處理上感覺好像反映的這個整個制度的漏洞還有社會公平性的這個問題那我這邊先說明一下我關注的這個重點那當然在這個中科院管理局一直強調求員這個這個對不起求證的補償\n\n14\n00:04:38,189 --> 00:04:56,771\n是會員之間與公司之間的私權關係不屬於政府補償的範圍但是我這邊談可能提醒一下當我們有國家推動比較重大的科技建設需要架構土地等等那土地的取得不僅法律程序要完備\n\n15\n00:04:57,472 --> 00:05:19,369\n那對周遭民眾跟原權益人的信賴保護還有社會和諧的這個維繫我想是這件事情的一個重點那目前看起來經過好多次的協商這邊的資料是九次那協商會議中好像也有所謂的口頭承諾但是這中間好像進展上很慢那興隆公司現在僅\n\n16\n00:05:20,450 --> 00:05:38,468\n想要退還每一張求證14萬的保證金但是有求證的民眾對於新農所開出來的條件跟他們的期待有很大的差異我想要了解一下主委對這件事情在補償爭議上跟科技開發產生的社會對立的這樣一個狀況您怎麼看法\n\n17\n00:05:45,563 --> 00:06:11,762\n我們覺得這個並不能太廣泛講就是社會對立因為這個是少數的人跟那個興隆集團這邊他們在這個算是一種買賣嘛那對於這個這個他們不同意的這個金額如果想要變成是要全民來負擔這個我們並沒有依法無據啦這個對我們來講那我請我們那個中科局長也來解釋一下\n\n18\n00:06:13,149 --> 00:06:33,479\n不好意思喔那是不是因為時間的關係我提一個重點啦主委您講的也是但是我提一個以前經常有的狀況像有一些博物館在建置的時候那常常都沒有注意到附近的民眾縱使您說是少數人可是這件事情就在於我們為了國家政策的這個開發是我們絕對照顧民眾權益\n\n19\n00:06:37,201 --> 00:07:04,158\n對對對產生的這個影響然後也一定因為有一點時間所以這個部分是不是可以再更積極的作為然後當然您說沒有這個社會正義公義或社會對立的這個問題但是少部分人有這樣子的狀況然後期待跟能夠做的有一些落差那是不是會裡面也可以再更積極的做一些處理我們不敢說介入啦但是積極的處理讓大家的共識能夠稍微再更近一點是不是有這個\n\n20\n00:07:04,918 --> 00:07:18,573\n可能性跟機會那對於那個背景我們大概都有一些了解啦那感謝那個中科這邊可能要做一個解釋只是時間的關係是不是請惠里再多加一些研議呢然後能夠減少這樣一個問題\n\n21\n00:07:21,339 --> 00:07:41,576\n好謝謝委員謝謝主委那我相信接下來最後一個就是大家也都非常關心那整個台積電赴美以後的狀況各方論述都有那這邊我們當然背景我這邊簡單介紹一下台積電雖然在台灣目前還有11條生產線的這個選址那當然也都還在推動那第二個部分是他們也談到\n\n22\n00:07:42,857 --> 00:08:00,932\n雖然您剛才有一些論述那AI產業鏈擴張的產業佈局所以也有部分需要在海外投資但是海外投資的動向跟國內產業鏈的一個穩定性也是我們整個國家經濟命脈跟產業安全的重要議題所以這邊我其實要討論的是\n\n23\n00:08:03,434 --> 00:08:14,656\n對於政府是不是有足夠的產業前瞻視野然後跟我們現在直接已經有碰到的土地資源調度的能力來承接這一波關鍵投資的這個機會您的看法呢\n\n24\n00:08:15,256 --> 00:08:38,801\n我們的確是有信心也很努力在做這個事情所以我覺得台積電不管是在台灣持續發展將來碰到這個寶盒的時候舊廠一定會翻新變成未來的新廠所以這個循環使用因為我們人力資源都有限將來它如果持續成長一定會往海外擴展這個也是必然的事實政府都會來協助\n\n25\n00:08:40,543 --> 00:09:00,131\n那我再提醒一點就是說你們經常在講說那這樣子的議題像科學園區的擴建跟產業用地的這個問題其實還是有某一種程度的被動跟分散所以當南科屏東園區跟農壇在規劃的時候那這個部分呢你們常常都等待地方政府提案\n\n26\n00:09:00,911 --> 00:09:26,270\n有沒有可能再更積極一點來處理呢也不是等待地方政府地方政府也可以主動來規劃來選合適的地方對他們施政容易的但是我們重點就是我們的科技產業的發展也要適合所以我們的這個科學園區的這個選址一定會基於產業的需求這是第一個要件產業需求他覺得這塊地符合的話\n\n27\n00:09:28,672 --> 00:09:51,836\n那中央政府各部會搭配的地方政府就共同來推動這樣好的那您談到這個核心問題所以我這邊做一個提醒我們希望這個建制產業園區的時候雖然您說也會考慮到很多個面向但是我希望不要因為政黨的色彩來決定選址的一個隕落好嗎不會所以我們現在台中這個園區還有農產我們同步在進行當中謝謝這個謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11377\t23963\t好 謝謝主席我們所有的立院同仁還有我們部會首長大家早安 大家好我們是不是請一下吳主委請吳主委備質詢 謝謝\n27503\t44961\t林委員好吳主委您好今天是本席在這個會期的第一次對國科會的一個質詢本席在這邊想要先跟您追蹤一下上個會期的質詢順便藉這個機會有一些提醒我這邊先一兩個重點來跟您\n45822\t70920\t探討一下其中一個應該主委還記得本席是原住民的身份所以我都會特別關心原住民在整個科研當中還有在國科會的相關的問題所以我一直還是很感謝您在去年一來到就職之後到本席的辦公室探討的時候我們就有講到在原住民的議題的研究上\n71460\t86653\t那過去都只有整合型的計畫那是不是可以開放給個別型那主委在當場就因為我們行話講話所以您也很清楚所以當場就答應給原住民的議題有個別型的研究\n87433\t111335\t非常感謝這一點後來在執行的時候就有一個狀況發生了其實當時我這樣一個想法是希望我們在原住民議題的研究上有更大的空間但是會裡面在執行的時候我不知道是變異形式還是沒有想到所以你們在開了個別型研究的同時還是希望\n111815\t131321\t在個別型還有整合型通通都在族群研究的架構下去做處理這個部分是不是可以請主委在今年或未來的研究上當您開放是個別型請不要再用一個主題或研究的方向把這樣一個研究的題材給限縮住那我覺得這樣對原住民\n132521\t148282\t身份的或原住民議題的研究上可以有更寬廣的空間是不是可以請主席研擬一下謝謝委員 今天我了解一下但是我認為我們原住民的學者他不一定要研究原住民的主題的\n149203\t170188\t這就是我的意思啊所以你們因為這個什麼族群關係的這個主題下那變成原住民的學者也好非原住民的學者也好在原住民的議題上都必須要研究族群關係那其實也很難再跳脫原住民這個框架的議題這是我的意思那請主委了解一下那是不是就我提的這個部分再做一些研討\n171808\t191524\t好 謝謝另外第二個部分是我們在談到國科會的資金分配公立大學跟私立大學的一個差異我想主委那時候也很有同感因為您的背景上對私立大學也略有所知這個部分我可能再提醒一下希望在這個會期我們能夠有更往前的一些進度我們已經規劃\n193005\t219256\t應該已經公布了就是今年開始我們計劃申請我們會增加這個第一就是私立大學就是不會資源全部都是在國立然後我們技職體系當然原住民剛剛講的那個是沒有問題我們都按照委員的這個意思我們都擴大了所以資源就不會集中在少數的學校\n219676\t229700\t好 謝謝也很高興至少這樣一個開啟那是不是請會內把相關的資訊也給我讓我再檢視一下是不是跟我們所講的這個方向是一致的好 謝謝主委接下來議題就最近的幾個議題來做討論\n235402\t242385\t那第二個部分就是中科二期擴建求證補償協商的這個爭議那當然這中間可能已經有一些過程那這個最主要就是這個新榮球場1750張的這個求證補償爭議也可能有點過久那大家集體的這個不滿那在先前3月7號的時候呢又到中科院這邊去抗議那所以在這個中科院\n260574\t274066\t還有這個國科會的這個處理上感覺好像反映的這個整個制度的漏洞還有社會公平性的這個問題那我這邊先說明一下我關注的這個重點那當然在這個中科院管理局一直強調求員這個這個 對不起求證的補償\n278189\t296771\t是會員之間與公司之間的私權關係不屬於政府補償的範圍但是我這邊談可能提醒一下當我們有國家推動比較重大的科技建設需要架構土地等等那土地的取得不僅法律程序要完備\n297472\t319369\t那對周遭民眾跟原權益人的信賴保護還有社會和諧的這個維繫我想是這件事情的一個重點那目前看起來經過好多次的協商這邊的資料是九次那協商會議中好像也有所謂的口頭承諾但是這中間好像進展上很慢那興隆公司現在僅\n320450\t338468\t想要退還每一張求證14萬的保證金但是有求證的民眾對於新農所開出來的條件跟他們的期待有很大的差異我想要了解一下主委對這件事情在補償爭議上跟科技開發產生的社會對立的這樣一個狀況您怎麼看法\n345563\t371762\t我們覺得這個並不能太廣泛講就是社會對立因為這個是少數的人跟那個興隆集團這邊他們在這個算是一種買賣嘛那對於這個這個他們不同意的這個金額如果想要變成是要全民來負擔這個我們並沒有依法無據啦這個對我們來講那我請我們那個中科局長也來解釋一下\n373149\t393479\t不好意思喔 那是不是因為時間的關係我提一個重點啦主委您講的也是但是我提一個以前經常有的狀況像有一些博物館在建置的時候那常常都沒有注意到附近的民眾縱使您說是少數人可是這件事情就在於我們為了國家政策的這個開發是 我們絕對照顧民眾權益\n397201\t424158\t對 對 對產生的這個影響然後也一定因為有一點時間所以這個部分是不是可以再更積極的作為然後當然您說沒有這個社會正義公義或社會對立的這個問題但是少部分人有這樣子的狀況然後期待跟能夠做的有一些落差那是不是會裡面也可以再更積極的做一些處理我們不敢說介入啦但是積極的處理讓大家的共識能夠稍微再更近一點是不是有這個\n424918\t438573\t可能性跟機會那對於那個背景我們大概都有一些了解啦那感謝那個中科這邊可能要做一個解釋只是時間的關係是不是請惠里再多加一些研議呢然後能夠減少這樣一個問題\n441339\t461576\t好 謝謝委員謝謝主委那我相信接下來最後一個就是大家也都非常關心那整個台積電赴美以後的狀況各方論述都有那這邊我們當然背景我這邊簡單介紹一下台積電雖然在台灣目前還有11條生產線的這個選址那當然也都還在推動那第二個部分是他們也談到\n462857\t480932\t雖然您剛才有一些論述那AI產業鏈擴張的產業佈局所以也有部分需要在海外投資但是海外投資的動向跟國內產業鏈的一個穩定性也是我們整個國家經濟命脈跟產業安全的重要議題所以這邊我其實要討論的是\n483434\t494656\t對於政府是不是有足夠的產業前瞻視野然後跟我們現在直接已經有碰到的土地資源調度的能力來承接這一波關鍵投資的這個機會您的看法呢\n495256\t518801\t我們的確是有信心也很努力在做這個事情所以我覺得台積電不管是在台灣持續發展將來碰到這個寶盒的時候舊廠一定會翻新變成未來的新廠所以這個循環使用因為我們人力資源都有限將來它如果持續成長一定會往海外擴展這個也是必然的事實政府都會來協助\n520543\t540131\t那我再提醒一點就是說你們經常在講說那這樣子的議題像科學園區的擴建跟產業用地的這個問題其實還是有某一種程度的被動跟分散所以當南科屏東園區跟農壇在規劃的時候那這個部分呢你們常常都等待地方政府提案\n540911\t566270\t有沒有可能再更積極一點來處理呢也不是等待地方政府地方政府也可以主動來規劃來選合適的地方對他們施政容易的但是我們重點就是我們的科技產業的發展也要適合所以我們的這個科學園區的這個選址一定會基於產業的需求這是第一個要件產業需求他覺得這塊地符合的話\n568672\t591836\t那中央政府各部會搭配的地方政府就共同來推動這樣好的那您談到這個核心問題所以我這邊做一個提醒我們希望這個建制產業園區的時候雖然您說也會考慮到很多個面向但是我希望不要因為政黨的色彩來決定選址的一個隕落好嗎不會所以我們現在台中這個園區還有農產我們同步在進行當中謝謝這個謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我們所有的立院同仁還有我們部會首長大家早安 大家好我們是不是請一下吳主委請吳主委備質詢 謝謝\n林委員好吳主委您好今天是本席在這個會期的第一次對國科會的一個質詢本席在這邊想要先跟您追蹤一下上個會期的質詢順便藉這個機會有一些提醒我這邊先一兩個重點來跟您\n探討一下其中一個應該主委還記得本席是原住民的身份所以我都會特別關心原住民在整個科研當中還有在國科會的相關的問題所以我一直還是很感謝您在去年一來到就職之後到本席的辦公室探討的時候我們就有講到在原住民的議題的研究上\n那過去都只有整合型的計畫那是不是可以開放給個別型那主委在當場就因為我們行話講話所以您也很清楚所以當場就答應給原住民的議題有個別型的研究\n非常感謝這一點後來在執行的時候就有一個狀況發生了其實當時我這樣一個想法是希望我們在原住民議題的研究上有更大的空間但是會裡面在執行的時候我不知道是變異形式還是沒有想到所以你們在開了個別型研究的同時還是希望\n在個別型還有整合型通通都在族群研究的架構下去做處理這個部分是不是可以請主委在今年或未來的研究上當您開放是個別型請不要再用一個主題或研究的方向把這樣一個研究的題材給限縮住那我覺得這樣對原住民\n身份的或原住民議題的研究上可以有更寬廣的空間是不是可以請主席研擬一下謝謝委員 今天我了解一下但是我認為我們原住民的學者他不一定要研究原住民的主題的\n這就是我的意思啊所以你們因為這個什麼族群關係的這個主題下那變成原住民的學者也好非原住民的學者也好在原住民的議題上都必須要研究族群關係那其實也很難再跳脫原住民這個框架的議題這是我的意思那請主委了解一下那是不是就我提的這個部分再做一些研討\n好 謝謝另外第二個部分是我們在談到國科會的資金分配公立大學跟私立大學的一個差異我想主委那時候也很有同感因為您的背景上對私立大學也略有所知這個部分我可能再提醒一下希望在這個會期我們能夠有更往前的一些進度我們已經規劃\n應該已經公布了就是今年開始我們計劃申請我們會增加這個第一就是私立大學就是不會資源全部都是在國立然後我們技職體系當然原住民剛剛講的那個是沒有問題我們都按照委員的這個意思我們都擴大了所以資源就不會集中在少數的學校\n好 謝謝也很高興至少這樣一個開啟那是不是請會內把相關的資訊也給我讓我再檢視一下是不是跟我們所講的這個方向是一致的好 謝謝主委接下來議題就最近的幾個議題來做討論\n那第二個部分就是中科二期擴建求證補償協商的這個爭議那當然這中間可能已經有一些過程那這個最主要就是這個新榮球場1750張的這個求證補償爭議也可能有點過久那大家集體的這個不滿那在先前3月7號的時候呢又到中科院這邊去抗議那所以在這個中科院\n還有這個國科會的這個處理上感覺好像反映的這個整個制度的漏洞還有社會公平性的這個問題那我這邊先說明一下我關注的這個重點那當然在這個中科院管理局一直強調求員這個這個 對不起求證的補償\n是會員之間與公司之間的私權關係不屬於政府補償的範圍但是我這邊談可能提醒一下當我們有國家推動比較重大的科技建設需要架構土地等等那土地的取得不僅法律程序要完備\n那對周遭民眾跟原權益人的信賴保護還有社會和諧的這個維繫我想是這件事情的一個重點那目前看起來經過好多次的協商這邊的資料是九次那協商會議中好像也有所謂的口頭承諾但是這中間好像進展上很慢那興隆公司現在僅\n想要退還每一張求證14萬的保證金但是有求證的民眾對於新農所開出來的條件跟他們的期待有很大的差異我想要了解一下主委對這件事情在補償爭議上跟科技開發產生的社會對立的這樣一個狀況您怎麼看法\n我們覺得這個並不能太廣泛講就是社會對立因為這個是少數的人跟那個興隆集團這邊他們在這個算是一種買賣嘛那對於這個這個他們不同意的這個金額如果想要變成是要全民來負擔這個我們並沒有依法無據啦這個對我們來講那我請我們那個中科局長也來解釋一下\n不好意思喔 那是不是因為時間的關係我提一個重點啦主委您講的也是但是我提一個以前經常有的狀況像有一些博物館在建置的時候那常常都沒有注意到附近的民眾縱使您說是少數人可是這件事情就在於我們為了國家政策的這個開發是 我們絕對照顧民眾權益\n對 對 對產生的這個影響然後也一定因為有一點時間所以這個部分是不是可以再更積極的作為然後當然您說沒有這個社會正義公義或社會對立的這個問題但是少部分人有這樣子的狀況然後期待跟能夠做的有一些落差那是不是會裡面也可以再更積極的做一些處理我們不敢說介入啦但是積極的處理讓大家的共識能夠稍微再更近一點是不是有這個\n可能性跟機會那對於那個背景我們大概都有一些了解啦那感謝那個中科這邊可能要做一個解釋只是時間的關係是不是請惠里再多加一些研議呢然後能夠減少這樣一個問題\n好 謝謝委員謝謝主委那我相信接下來最後一個就是大家也都非常關心那整個台積電赴美以後的狀況各方論述都有那這邊我們當然背景我這邊簡單介紹一下台積電雖然在台灣目前還有11條生產線的這個選址那當然也都還在推動那第二個部分是他們也談到\n雖然您剛才有一些論述那AI產業鏈擴張的產業佈局所以也有部分需要在海外投資但是海外投資的動向跟國內產業鏈的一個穩定性也是我們整個國家經濟命脈跟產業安全的重要議題所以這邊我其實要討論的是\n對於政府是不是有足夠的產業前瞻視野然後跟我們現在直接已經有碰到的土地資源調度的能力來承接這一波關鍵投資的這個機會您的看法呢\n我們的確是有信心也很努力在做這個事情所以我覺得台積電不管是在台灣持續發展將來碰到這個寶盒的時候舊廠一定會翻新變成未來的新廠所以這個循環使用因為我們人力資源都有限將來它如果持續成長一定會往海外擴展這個也是必然的事實政府都會來協助\n那我再提醒一點就是說你們經常在講說那這樣子的議題像科學園區的擴建跟產業用地的這個問題其實還是有某一種程度的被動跟分散所以當南科屏東園區跟農壇在規劃的時候那這個部分呢你們常常都等待地方政府提案\n有沒有可能再更積極一點來處理呢也不是等待地方政府地方政府也可以主動來規劃來選合適的地方對他們施政容易的但是我們重點就是我們的科技產業的發展也要適合所以我們的這個科學園區的這個選址一定會基於產業的需求這是第一個要件產業需求他覺得這塊地符合的話\n那中央政府各部會搭配的地方政府就共同來推動這樣好的那您談到這個核心問題所以我這邊做一個提醒我們希望這個建制產業園區的時候雖然您說也會考慮到很多個面向但是我希望不要因為政黨的色彩來決定選址的一個隕落好嗎不會所以我們現在台中這個園區還有農產我們同步在進行當中謝謝這個謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.377 --> 00:23.963\n好謝謝主席我們所有的立院同仁還有我們部會首長大家早安大家好我們是不是請一下吳主委請吳主委備質詢謝謝\n\n00:27.503 --> 00:44.961\n林委員好吳主委您好今天是本席在這個會期的第一次對國科會的一個質詢本席在這邊想要先跟您追蹤一下上個會期的質詢順便藉這個機會有一些提醒我這邊先一兩個重點來跟您\n\n00:45.822 --> 01:10.920\n探討一下其中一個應該主委還記得本席是原住民的身份所以我都會特別關心原住民在整個科研當中還有在國科會的相關的問題所以我一直還是很感謝您在去年一來到就職之後到本席的辦公室探討的時候我們就有講到在原住民的議題的研究上\n\n01:11.460 --> 01:26.653\n那過去都只有整合型的計畫那是不是可以開放給個別型那主委在當場就因為我們行話講話所以您也很清楚所以當場就答應給原住民的議題有個別型的研究\n\n01:27.433 --> 01:51.335\n非常感謝這一點後來在執行的時候就有一個狀況發生了其實當時我這樣一個想法是希望我們在原住民議題的研究上有更大的空間但是會裡面在執行的時候我不知道是變異形式還是沒有想到所以你們在開了個別型研究的同時還是希望\n\n01:51.815 --> 02:11.321\n在個別型還有整合型通通都在族群研究的架構下去做處理這個部分是不是可以請主委在今年或未來的研究上當您開放是個別型請不要再用一個主題或研究的方向把這樣一個研究的題材給限縮住那我覺得這樣對原住民\n\n02:12.521 --> 02:28.282\n身份的或原住民議題的研究上可以有更寬廣的空間是不是可以請主席研擬一下謝謝委員今天我了解一下但是我認為我們原住民的學者他不一定要研究原住民的主題的\n\n02:29.203 --> 02:50.188\n這就是我的意思啊所以你們因為這個什麼族群關係的這個主題下那變成原住民的學者也好非原住民的學者也好在原住民的議題上都必須要研究族群關係那其實也很難再跳脫原住民這個框架的議題這是我的意思那請主委了解一下那是不是就我提的這個部分再做一些研討\n\n02:51.808 --> 03:11.524\n好謝謝另外第二個部分是我們在談到國科會的資金分配公立大學跟私立大學的一個差異我想主委那時候也很有同感因為您的背景上對私立大學也略有所知這個部分我可能再提醒一下希望在這個會期我們能夠有更往前的一些進度我們已經規劃\n\n03:13.005 --> 03:39.256\n應該已經公布了就是今年開始我們計劃申請我們會增加這個第一就是私立大學就是不會資源全部都是在國立然後我們技職體系當然原住民剛剛講的那個是沒有問題我們都按照委員的這個意思我們都擴大了所以資源就不會集中在少數的學校\n\n03:39.676 --> 03:49.700\n好謝謝也很高興至少這樣一個開啟那是不是請會內把相關的資訊也給我讓我再檢視一下是不是跟我們所講的這個方向是一致的好謝謝主委接下來議題就最近的幾個議題來做討論\n\n03:55.402 --> 04:02.385\n那第二個部分就是中科二期擴建求證補償協商的這個爭議那當然這中間可能已經有一些過程那這個最主要就是這個新榮球場1750張的這個求證補償爭議也可能有點過久那大家集體的這個不滿那在先前3月7號的時候呢又到中科院這邊去抗議那所以在這個中科院\n\n04:20.574 --> 04:34.066\n還有這個國科會的這個處理上感覺好像反映的這個整個制度的漏洞還有社會公平性的這個問題那我這邊先說明一下我關注的這個重點那當然在這個中科院管理局一直強調求員這個這個對不起求證的補償\n\n04:38.189 --> 04:56.771\n是會員之間與公司之間的私權關係不屬於政府補償的範圍但是我這邊談可能提醒一下當我們有國家推動比較重大的科技建設需要架構土地等等那土地的取得不僅法律程序要完備\n\n04:57.472 --> 05:19.369\n那對周遭民眾跟原權益人的信賴保護還有社會和諧的這個維繫我想是這件事情的一個重點那目前看起來經過好多次的協商這邊的資料是九次那協商會議中好像也有所謂的口頭承諾但是這中間好像進展上很慢那興隆公司現在僅\n\n05:20.450 --> 05:38.468\n想要退還每一張求證14萬的保證金但是有求證的民眾對於新農所開出來的條件跟他們的期待有很大的差異我想要了解一下主委對這件事情在補償爭議上跟科技開發產生的社會對立的這樣一個狀況您怎麼看法\n\n05:45.563 --> 06:11.762\n我們覺得這個並不能太廣泛講就是社會對立因為這個是少數的人跟那個興隆集團這邊他們在這個算是一種買賣嘛那對於這個這個他們不同意的這個金額如果想要變成是要全民來負擔這個我們並沒有依法無據啦這個對我們來講那我請我們那個中科局長也來解釋一下\n\n06:13.149 --> 06:33.479\n不好意思喔那是不是因為時間的關係我提一個重點啦主委您講的也是但是我提一個以前經常有的狀況像有一些博物館在建置的時候那常常都沒有注意到附近的民眾縱使您說是少數人可是這件事情就在於我們為了國家政策的這個開發是我們絕對照顧民眾權益\n\n06:37.201 --> 07:04.158\n對對對產生的這個影響然後也一定因為有一點時間所以這個部分是不是可以再更積極的作為然後當然您說沒有這個社會正義公義或社會對立的這個問題但是少部分人有這樣子的狀況然後期待跟能夠做的有一些落差那是不是會裡面也可以再更積極的做一些處理我們不敢說介入啦但是積極的處理讓大家的共識能夠稍微再更近一點是不是有這個\n\n07:04.918 --> 07:18.573\n可能性跟機會那對於那個背景我們大概都有一些了解啦那感謝那個中科這邊可能要做一個解釋只是時間的關係是不是請惠里再多加一些研議呢然後能夠減少這樣一個問題\n\n07:21.339 --> 07:41.576\n好謝謝委員謝謝主委那我相信接下來最後一個就是大家也都非常關心那整個台積電赴美以後的狀況各方論述都有那這邊我們當然背景我這邊簡單介紹一下台積電雖然在台灣目前還有11條生產線的這個選址那當然也都還在推動那第二個部分是他們也談到\n\n07:42.857 --> 08:00.932\n雖然您剛才有一些論述那AI產業鏈擴張的產業佈局所以也有部分需要在海外投資但是海外投資的動向跟國內產業鏈的一個穩定性也是我們整個國家經濟命脈跟產業安全的重要議題所以這邊我其實要討論的是\n\n08:03.434 --> 08:14.656\n對於政府是不是有足夠的產業前瞻視野然後跟我們現在直接已經有碰到的土地資源調度的能力來承接這一波關鍵投資的這個機會您的看法呢\n\n08:15.256 --> 08:38.801\n我們的確是有信心也很努力在做這個事情所以我覺得台積電不管是在台灣持續發展將來碰到這個寶盒的時候舊廠一定會翻新變成未來的新廠所以這個循環使用因為我們人力資源都有限將來它如果持續成長一定會往海外擴展這個也是必然的事實政府都會來協助\n\n08:40.543 --> 09:00.131\n那我再提醒一點就是說你們經常在講說那這樣子的議題像科學園區的擴建跟產業用地的這個問題其實還是有某一種程度的被動跟分散所以當南科屏東園區跟農壇在規劃的時候那這個部分呢你們常常都等待地方政府提案\n\n09:00.911 --> 09:26.270\n有沒有可能再更積極一點來處理呢也不是等待地方政府地方政府也可以主動來規劃來選合適的地方對他們施政容易的但是我們重點就是我們的科技產業的發展也要適合所以我們的這個科學園區的這個選址一定會基於產業的需求這是第一個要件產業需求他覺得這塊地符合的話\n\n09:28.672 --> 09:51.836\n那中央政府各部會搭配的地方政府就共同來推動這樣好的那您談到這個核心問題所以我這邊做一個提醒我們希望這個建制產業園區的時候雖然您說也會考慮到很多個面向但是我希望不要因為政黨的色彩來決定選址的一個隕落好嗎不會所以我們現在台中這個園區還有農產我們同步在進行當中謝謝這個謝謝委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.377,"end":23.963,"text":"好 謝謝主席我們所有的立院同仁還有我們部會首長大家早安 大家好我們是不是請一下吳主委請吳主委備質詢 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