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00:00:52,153\n所以我今天也是要來這邊請教一下主委就是主委在2月15號的時候其實在你的臉書上面也提到說半導體今天有這樣子的成就其實是半世紀以來我們自己努力辛苦取得的絕對不是輕易取自他國所以願意以台灣為基地來協助友善的民主國家來發展晶片設計晶圓製造和封裝測試\n\n4\n00:00:54,814 --> 00:01:11,025\n那剛剛其實主委在對前面的質詢也都有說明這您認為這對我們來說是一個機會對不對是那我想請問一下根據這個機會我們的下一步的發展我們現在有沒有針對這些友善民主國家有一個比較清楚的一個供應鏈的名單呢\n\n5\n00:01:13,649 --> 00:01:35,801\n你說供應鏈就是我們國內的廠商嗎對我跟委員報告我們其實台灣所有的晶片廠商如果將來要發展這個民主供應鏈只要他是台灣設計台灣製造的都是我們的國家隊的隊員那我拜訪了所有的這些台灣重要的這個晶片設計廠商一家一家我都\n\n6\n00:01:36,963 --> 00:01:55,097\n分別跟他們談過每一個廠商其實都非常的樂意跟政府來配合雖然我們的廠商他的這個業務是全世界在佈局的但是其實談到這個對於某些國家他必須要使用這個民主供應鏈的\n\n7\n00:01:56,918 --> 00:02:20,032\n這樣的這個條件的時候我們台灣隊很快的就可以組起來這一點是沒有問題的好我想問一下因為我想大家都比較清楚是台積電他們有說了先進製程還是技術還是留在台灣但是我想大家還是會擔心就是心中的這些您剛講的這些供應鏈他們都覺得非常有興趣但是相關的先進技術還是會以台灣為基地嗎因為我想這是大家最關心的一件事情\n\n8\n00:02:20,987 --> 00:02:47,692\n我們的這個先進製程的半導體晶圓製造的技術研發一定在台灣然後它的這個最先進的這個製程的這個量產也一定在台灣先完成以後才有辦法把它擴散到全球因為這個過程需要非常非常多條件這個條件現在全世界只有台灣是最成熟做的效率最高\n\n9\n00:02:48,032 --> 00:03:04,152\n那我了解就像聽起來就是說即便是我們會去有一些供應鏈他們是會跟著一起到以台灣為基地嘛擴散到全世界這些友善的民主國家但我想來了解一下就是說那有沒有一個相關的規劃時程呢\n\n10\n00:03:05,289 --> 00:03:19,531\n時程現在還不是很明確這個要看看市場的需求因為如果市場在當地的市場沒有很高的需求我們當然就不會說很快的就要全部都去那邊投資所以這種投資的行為一定是產業界自己決定\n\n11\n00:03:21,633 --> 00:03:37,528\n我想我就再講進入下一個主題就是說聯合國在2025年其實他們每一年都會指定特定的主題跟國際年的一個核心目的主要是在聚焦全球的一些關鍵議題還有凝聚國際的共識並且通過教育科學以及文化\n\n12\n00:03:38,168 --> 00:03:54,000\n來推動一個跨國的一個永續發展那其實每一年的題目都非常的有趣過去我自己有看到就像什麼植物健康年或是永續發展年用創意的經濟來促進這些文化產業的復甦等等的那您知道說今年的主題是什麼嗎\n\n13\n00:03:55,441 --> 00:04:23,939\n就委员有显示了这个对已经谢提了那我想问一下我想这个其实是有特别的纪念意义就是2025年的时候其实就是这一位海森堡他其实在1925年的时候就发表了一个矩阵力学成为现在量子力学的第一个完整理论的描述那到现在已经100年了所以今年就决议来作为百年量子启航的一个历史传承跟未来的展望那其实呢这个里面有一个重点哦\n\n14\n00:04:24,019 --> 00:04:49,057\n有三个重点就是说希望可以提升大众对量子科学科技的一个重要性的认知那第二个呢就是加强跨国与跨领域的合作那第三个就是聚焦量子科学对永续发展的应用那其中呢在这里面呢他还有讲到这个发展的主题他们其实是希望说可以发展这个再生能源技术还有医疗与药物开发以及金融安全与通讯加密\n\n15\n00:04:49,817 --> 00:05:13,819\n我想就是說針對這三個項目博客會現在可能也有一些相關的研究跟主題的一些計畫但是我在今年的業務報告其實是看不太出來是不是有偏重這幾個項目所以我想請教主委就是針對這一個量子力學年我們有沒有相關的一些計畫可不可以簡單說明一下委員這個問題我可不可以請我們資產署處長\n\n16\n00:05:17,794 --> 00:05:35,832\n今天是量子年那我們物理界跟物理學門包括物推中心都有辦一系列的活動總共有七項包括4月12號在台北101有個量子點燈的儀式大概是這樣這個活動揭開序幕\n\n17\n00:05:38,564 --> 00:05:51,942\n好我想因為我還是蠻想要了解有沒有一些更詳細的一些計畫啦研究的部分但如果時間有限的話我想就到時候提供給我一些詳細的內容好不好好的那還有就是說其實在2022年呢博客會其實也針對了基礎科學促進發展\n\n18\n00:05:53,944 --> 00:06:21,606\n國際年IYBSSD其實辦過相關的活動那時候還特別邀請到了蔡英文總統來親臨到現場祝福要來講這個紮根科學永續台灣讓更多的民眾了解科學跟永續發展的密不可分那我想針對這一系列的活動呢其實就包含今天的報告裡面其實也都有講到就是說我們其實投入了相當多的一些費用那我先等一下喔\n\n19\n00:06:24,025 --> 00:06:50,290\n我們其實投過了相當多的費用那在世界也取得了不錯的成績到現在其實已經投入了80億那下一步下一步呢就是當我們如何扎根基層就是我們如何把這些研究的實力一磅一磅的傳下去那其實我們有一些科普列車我們也有KidsScience我們也有台灣科技新創基地那我們今年會有相關的活動把這個量子力學放進去嗎\n\n20\n00:06:51,015 --> 00:07:19,950\n好謝謝委員這樣的建議我們其實在量子國家隊裡面在台大我們有購置IBM的量子運算的設備他們也很努力想要開發一些有關量子運算的科普的基層教育的活動我想也許我們自然處可以來跟台大討論一下看看能不能把這一項加到我們的科普教育裡面\n\n21\n00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:36,615\n好科普教育部分那我想就是科普列車我想爭取一下科普列車啦KidsScience這些其實是對小孩去做這些更基礎的科普的部分是不是也可以一起納入呢有沒有這個機會好在教育的部分我們會努力讓小朋友聽得懂那樣子\n\n22\n00:07:39,036 --> 00:07:56,508\n對那我想就是這個延續下來就是說作為一個負責任的委員然後我們剛爭取了活動項目那我也要想要了解這個預算上是不是可以來支持因為其實在今年我們是史上坎福第一的預算案那我就會想要知道\n\n23\n00:07:57,048 --> 00:08:09,998\n那錢到底在哪裡因為其實有很多委員都有爭取一些活動嘛那因為根據組織總署呢其實立法院決議要求636億元由行政院自行調行之那\n\n24\n00:08:11,747 --> 00:08:28,575\n這一切其實我不確定說我們現在主委清楚這些對於國會現在的業務國會的部分我們其實非常感謝我們交融會的委員對我們相當的支持我們受到刪減的部分大概29億多就是統三這其實是統三的部分\n\n25\n00:08:32,637 --> 00:08:52,579\n然後我們的業務費受到的影響比較大就是凍結的部分比例比較高包含園區是希望說我們報告送到委員會來送到立法院希望能夠盡快解凍因為很多的這個規劃在年初就要開始\n\n26\n00:08:53,260 --> 00:09:16,639\n好我了解是是對那我想問一下因為其實之前您國客會也有發布在11月27號有一個新聞是因應財化法的修法將會有200億元會受到影響認為這個是對於台灣的科技發展非常非常的不利那這個部分呢其實再加上我們的預算審查的一個結果我想先請教一個第一個問題是\n\n27\n00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:44,974\n之前我們在詢問這個主委的時候其實你有提到說我們希望可以組成一個AI算力國家隊我們要把我們的算力達到480petafloss在2028年那時候會到亞洲前三全球前十AI的準備度也會到全球前十但AI是全球競爭最重要的一個重點項目大家都在衝那依據這個才化法還有如果以今年的立法院的預算刪減會不會影響你的目標達成呢\n\n28\n00:09:46,533 --> 00:10:11,713\n我們今年在AI算力建設本來一開始在委員會審查之後其實是有受到一些刪減那我也是極力在辯護啦後來有測案所以也非常感謝我們的委員願意支持國科會的這個說法那目前我們今年的預算如果能夠按照\n\n29\n00:10:15,555 --> 00:10:32,906\n這個決議來執行的話今年我們的算力會受到影響會比較小但是我比較重點就是說因為政府的這一點投入會引起民間也願意再投更多的錢所以我相信今年民間的這個投入遠高於這個政府的投入我們台灣的這個排名應該會往前邁進\n\n30\n00:10:35,267 --> 00:10:58,159\n好像才化法的部分會影響嗎才化法是我比較憂心的因為當初立法院通過的時候是決議好像說馬上要執行我就非常擔心會影響到今年那現在才化法如果明年要執行的話我們現在已經在編明年的預算恐怕我們也沒有辦法按照我們現在預計的可以編列讓我們的科技預算\n\n31\n00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:21,769\n穩定的能夠成長所以我當然也是希望說立法院這邊能夠在財化法修正案能夠有在討論的空間能夠讓我們重要的發展因為科技預算是中央政府在主政很難讓地方分散來執行是非常困難希望能夠維持我們科技預算\n\n32\n00:11:21,869 --> 00:11:45,699\n所以簡單來說啦就是說財化法的部分把錢撥到地方之後可能會影響到我們相關的科技研究還有像是我們AI的這些算力的建制嘛對不對對於我們之前講的這些目標達成是的確存在困難的嘛所以我想這個因為財化法其實已經國民黨跟民眾黨已經否決要復議了啦所以基本上就只能靠大家民眾一起來把我們這些\n\n33\n00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:54,826\n主委把這些影響來告訴我們的民眾讓大家知道這個對國家的一些影響這些再請主委多多跟大家來做說明謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n629\t8793\t質詢謝謝莊委 我們有請主委有請主委備質詢 謝謝\n15165\t29699\t范委員好主委好我想請問一下一下因為其實大家今天都在討論有關於半導體的這件事情嘛那其實之前呢總統總統出席外交春宴的時候也有提到說我們要打造一個非紅供應鏈來提升台灣的經濟韌性\n30620\t52153\t所以我今天也是要來這邊請教一下主委就是主委在2月15號的時候其實在你的臉書上面也提到說半導體今天有這樣子的成就其實是半世紀以來我們自己努力辛苦取得的絕對不是輕易取自他國所以願意以台灣為基地來協助友善的民主國家來發展晶片設計晶圓製造和封裝測試\n54814\t71025\t那剛剛其實主委在對前面的質詢也都有說明這您認為這對我們來說是一個機會對不對是那我想請問一下根據這個機會我們的下一步的發展我們現在有沒有針對這些友善民主國家有一個比較清楚的一個供應鏈的名單呢\n73649\t95801\t你說供應鏈就是我們國內的廠商嗎對我跟委員報告我們其實台灣所有的晶片廠商如果將來要發展這個民主供應鏈只要他是台灣設計台灣製造的都是我們的國家隊的隊員那我拜訪了所有的這些台灣重要的這個晶片設計廠商一家一家我都\n96963\t115097\t分別跟他們談過每一個廠商其實都非常的樂意跟政府來配合雖然我們的廠商他的這個業務是全世界在佈局的但是其實談到這個對於某些國家他必須要使用這個民主供應鏈的\n116918\t140032\t這樣的這個條件的時候我們台灣隊很快的就可以組起來這一點是沒有問題的好我想問一下因為我想大家都比較清楚是台積電他們有說了先進製程還是技術還是留在台灣但是我想大家還是會擔心就是心中的這些您剛講的這些供應鏈他們都覺得非常有興趣但是相關的先進技術還是會以台灣為基地嗎因為我想這是大家最關心的一件事情\n140987\t167692\t我們的這個先進製程的半導體晶圓製造的技術研發一定在台灣然後它的這個最先進的這個製程的這個量產也一定在台灣先完成以後才有辦法把它擴散到全球因為這個過程需要非常非常多條件這個條件現在全世界只有台灣是最成熟做的效率最高\n168032\t184152\t那我了解就像聽起來就是說即便是我們會去有一些供應鏈他們是會跟著一起到以台灣為基地嘛擴散到全世界這些友善的民主國家但我想來了解一下就是說那有沒有一個相關的規劃時程呢\n185289\t199531\t時程現在還不是很明確這個要看看市場的需求因為如果市場在當地的市場沒有很高的需求我們當然就不會說很快的就要全部都去那邊投資所以這種投資的行為一定是產業界自己決定\n201633\t217528\t我想我就再講進入下一個主題就是說聯合國在2025年其實他們每一年都會指定特定的主題跟國際年的一個核心目的主要是在聚焦全球的一些關鍵議題還有凝聚國際的共識並且通過教育科學以及文化\n218168\t234000\t來推動一個跨國的一個永續發展那其實每一年的題目都非常的有趣過去我自己有看到就像什麼植物健康年或是永續發展年用創意的經濟來促進這些文化產業的復甦等等的那您知道說今年的主題是什麼嗎\n235441\t263939\t就委员有显示了这个对已经谢提了那我想问一下我想这个其实是有特别的纪念意义就是2025年的时候其实就是这一位海森堡他其实在1925年的时候就发表了一个矩阵力学成为现在量子力学的第一个完整理论的描述那到现在已经100年了所以今年就决议来作为百年量子启航的一个历史传承跟未来的展望那其实呢这个里面有一个重点哦\n264019\t289057\t有三个重点就是说希望可以提升大众对量子科学科技的一个重要性的认知那第二个呢就是加强跨国与跨领域的合作那第三个就是聚焦量子科学对永续发展的应用那其中呢在这里面呢他还有讲到这个发展的主题他们其实是希望说可以发展这个再生能源技术还有医疗与药物开发以及金融安全与通讯加密\n289817\t313819\t我想就是說針對這三個項目博客會現在可能也有一些相關的研究跟主題的一些計畫但是我在今年的業務報告其實是看不太出來是不是有偏重這幾個項目所以我想請教主委就是針對這一個量子力學年我們有沒有相關的一些計畫可不可以簡單說明一下委員這個問題我可不可以請我們資產署處長\n317794\t335832\t今天是量子年 那我們物理界跟物理學門 包括物推中心都有辦一系列的活動 總共有七項包括4月12號在台北101有個量子點燈的儀式 大概是這樣 這個活動揭開序幕\n338564\t351942\t好我想因為我還是蠻想要了解有沒有一些更詳細的一些計畫啦研究的部分但如果時間有限的話我想就到時候提供給我一些詳細的內容好不好好的那還有就是說其實在2022年呢博客會其實也針對了基礎科學促進發展\n353944\t381606\t國際年IYBSSD其實辦過相關的活動那時候還特別邀請到了蔡英文總統來親臨到現場祝福要來講這個紮根科學永續台灣讓更多的民眾了解科學跟永續發展的密不可分那我想針對這一系列的活動呢其實就包含今天的報告裡面其實也都有講到就是說我們其實投入了相當多的一些費用那我先等一下喔\n384025\t410290\t我們其實投過了相當多的費用那在世界也取得了不錯的成績到現在其實已經投入了80億那下一步下一步呢就是當我們如何扎根基層就是我們如何把這些研究的實力一磅一磅的傳下去那其實我們有一些科普列車我們也有Kids Science我們也有台灣科技新創基地那我們今年會有相關的活動把這個量子力學放進去嗎\n411015\t439950\t好 謝謝委員這樣的建議我們其實在量子國家隊裡面在台大我們有購置IBM的量子運算的設備他們也很努力想要開發一些有關量子運算的科普的基層教育的活動我想也許我們自然處可以來跟台大討論一下看看能不能把這一項加到我們的科普教育裡面\n440430\t456615\t好科普教育部分那我想就是科普列車我想爭取一下科普列車啦Kids Science這些其實是對小孩去做這些更基礎的科普的部分是不是也可以一起納入呢有沒有這個機會好在教育的部分我們會努力讓小朋友聽得懂那樣子\n459036\t476508\t對那我想就是這個延續下來就是說作為一個負責任的委員然後我們剛爭取了活動項目那我也要想要了解這個預算上是不是可以來支持因為其實在今年我們是史上坎福第一的預算案那我就會想要知道\n477048\t489998\t那錢到底在哪裡 因為其實有很多委員都有爭取一些活動嘛那因為根據組織總署呢 其實立法院決議要求636億元由行政院自行調行之那\n491747\t508575\t這一切其實我不確定說我們現在主委清楚這些對於國會現在的業務國會的部分我們其實非常感謝我們交融會的委員對我們相當的支持我們受到刪減的部分大概29億多就是統三這其實是統三的部分\n512637\t532579\t然後我們的業務費受到的影響比較大就是凍結的部分比例比較高包含園區是希望說我們報告送到委員會來送到立法院希望能夠盡快解凍因為很多的這個規劃在年初就要開始\n533260\t556639\t好 我了解是是對 那我想問一下因為其實之前您國客會也有發布在11月27號有一個新聞是因應財化法的修法將會有200億元會受到影響認為這個是對於台灣的科技發展非常非常的不利那這個部分呢其實再加上我們的預算審查的一個結果我想先請教一個第一個問題是\n558360\t584974\t之前我們在詢問這個主委的時候其實你有提到說我們希望可以組成一個AI算力國家隊我們要把我們的算力達到480 petafloss在2028年那時候會到亞洲前三全球前十AI的準備度也會到全球前十但AI是全球競爭最重要的一個重點項目大家都在衝那依據這個才化法還有如果以今年的立法院的預算刪減會不會影響你的目標達成呢\n586533\t611713\t我們今年在AI算力建設本來一開始在委員會審查之後其實是有受到一些刪減那我也是極力在辯護啦後來有測案所以也非常感謝我們的委員願意支持國科會的這個說法那目前我們今年的預算如果能夠按照\n615555\t632906\t這個決議來執行的話今年我們的算力會受到影響會比較小但是我比較重點就是說因為政府的這一點投入會引起民間也願意再投更多的錢所以我相信今年民間的這個投入遠高於這個政府的投入我們台灣的這個排名應該會往前邁進\n635267\t658159\t好像才化法的部分會影響嗎才化法是我比較憂心的因為當初立法院通過的時候是決議好像說馬上要執行我就非常擔心會影響到今年那現在才化法如果明年要執行的話我們現在已經在編明年的預算恐怕我們也沒有辦法按照我們現在預計的可以編列讓我們的科技預算\n659720\t681769\t穩定的能夠成長所以我當然也是希望說立法院這邊能夠在財化法修正案能夠有在討論的空間能夠讓我們重要的發展因為科技預算是中央政府在主政很難讓地方分散來執行是非常困難希望能夠維持我們科技預算\n681869\t705699\t所以簡單來說啦就是說財化法的部分把錢撥到地方之後可能會影響到我們相關的科技研究還有像是我們AI的這些算力的建制嘛對不對對於我們之前講的這些目標達成是的確存在困難的嘛所以我想這個因為財化法其實已經國民黨跟民眾黨已經否決要復議了啦所以基本上就只能靠大家民眾一起來把我們這些\n707200\t714826\t主委把這些影響來告訴我們的民眾讓大家知道這個對國家的一些影響這些再請主委多多跟大家來做說明謝謝\n","txt":"質詢謝謝莊委 我們有請主委有請主委備質詢 謝謝\n范委員好主委好我想請問一下一下因為其實大家今天都在討論有關於半導體的這件事情嘛那其實之前呢總統總統出席外交春宴的時候也有提到說我們要打造一個非紅供應鏈來提升台灣的經濟韌性\n所以我今天也是要來這邊請教一下主委就是主委在2月15號的時候其實在你的臉書上面也提到說半導體今天有這樣子的成就其實是半世紀以來我們自己努力辛苦取得的絕對不是輕易取自他國所以願意以台灣為基地來協助友善的民主國家來發展晶片設計晶圓製造和封裝測試\n那剛剛其實主委在對前面的質詢也都有說明這您認為這對我們來說是一個機會對不對是那我想請問一下根據這個機會我們的下一步的發展我們現在有沒有針對這些友善民主國家有一個比較清楚的一個供應鏈的名單呢\n你說供應鏈就是我們國內的廠商嗎對我跟委員報告我們其實台灣所有的晶片廠商如果將來要發展這個民主供應鏈只要他是台灣設計台灣製造的都是我們的國家隊的隊員那我拜訪了所有的這些台灣重要的這個晶片設計廠商一家一家我都\n分別跟他們談過每一個廠商其實都非常的樂意跟政府來配合雖然我們的廠商他的這個業務是全世界在佈局的但是其實談到這個對於某些國家他必須要使用這個民主供應鏈的\n這樣的這個條件的時候我們台灣隊很快的就可以組起來這一點是沒有問題的好我想問一下因為我想大家都比較清楚是台積電他們有說了先進製程還是技術還是留在台灣但是我想大家還是會擔心就是心中的這些您剛講的這些供應鏈他們都覺得非常有興趣但是相關的先進技術還是會以台灣為基地嗎因為我想這是大家最關心的一件事情\n我們的這個先進製程的半導體晶圓製造的技術研發一定在台灣然後它的這個最先進的這個製程的這個量產也一定在台灣先完成以後才有辦法把它擴散到全球因為這個過程需要非常非常多條件這個條件現在全世界只有台灣是最成熟做的效率最高\n那我了解就像聽起來就是說即便是我們會去有一些供應鏈他們是會跟著一起到以台灣為基地嘛擴散到全世界這些友善的民主國家但我想來了解一下就是說那有沒有一個相關的規劃時程呢\n時程現在還不是很明確這個要看看市場的需求因為如果市場在當地的市場沒有很高的需求我們當然就不會說很快的就要全部都去那邊投資所以這種投資的行為一定是產業界自己決定\n我想我就再講進入下一個主題就是說聯合國在2025年其實他們每一年都會指定特定的主題跟國際年的一個核心目的主要是在聚焦全球的一些關鍵議題還有凝聚國際的共識並且通過教育科學以及文化\n來推動一個跨國的一個永續發展那其實每一年的題目都非常的有趣過去我自己有看到就像什麼植物健康年或是永續發展年用創意的經濟來促進這些文化產業的復甦等等的那您知道說今年的主題是什麼嗎\n就委员有显示了这个对已经谢提了那我想问一下我想这个其实是有特别的纪念意义就是2025年的时候其实就是这一位海森堡他其实在1925年的时候就发表了一个矩阵力学成为现在量子力学的第一个完整理论的描述那到现在已经100年了所以今年就决议来作为百年量子启航的一个历史传承跟未来的展望那其实呢这个里面有一个重点哦\n有三个重点就是说希望可以提升大众对量子科学科技的一个重要性的认知那第二个呢就是加强跨国与跨领域的合作那第三个就是聚焦量子科学对永续发展的应用那其中呢在这里面呢他还有讲到这个发展的主题他们其实是希望说可以发展这个再生能源技术还有医疗与药物开发以及金融安全与通讯加密\n我想就是說針對這三個項目博客會現在可能也有一些相關的研究跟主題的一些計畫但是我在今年的業務報告其實是看不太出來是不是有偏重這幾個項目所以我想請教主委就是針對這一個量子力學年我們有沒有相關的一些計畫可不可以簡單說明一下委員這個問題我可不可以請我們資產署處長\n今天是量子年 那我們物理界跟物理學門 包括物推中心都有辦一系列的活動 總共有七項包括4月12號在台北101有個量子點燈的儀式 大概是這樣 這個活動揭開序幕\n好我想因為我還是蠻想要了解有沒有一些更詳細的一些計畫啦研究的部分但如果時間有限的話我想就到時候提供給我一些詳細的內容好不好好的那還有就是說其實在2022年呢博客會其實也針對了基礎科學促進發展\n國際年IYBSSD其實辦過相關的活動那時候還特別邀請到了蔡英文總統來親臨到現場祝福要來講這個紮根科學永續台灣讓更多的民眾了解科學跟永續發展的密不可分那我想針對這一系列的活動呢其實就包含今天的報告裡面其實也都有講到就是說我們其實投入了相當多的一些費用那我先等一下喔\n我們其實投過了相當多的費用那在世界也取得了不錯的成績到現在其實已經投入了80億那下一步下一步呢就是當我們如何扎根基層就是我們如何把這些研究的實力一磅一磅的傳下去那其實我們有一些科普列車我們也有Kids Science我們也有台灣科技新創基地那我們今年會有相關的活動把這個量子力學放進去嗎\n好 謝謝委員這樣的建議我們其實在量子國家隊裡面在台大我們有購置IBM的量子運算的設備他們也很努力想要開發一些有關量子運算的科普的基層教育的活動我想也許我們自然處可以來跟台大討論一下看看能不能把這一項加到我們的科普教育裡面\n好科普教育部分那我想就是科普列車我想爭取一下科普列車啦Kids Science這些其實是對小孩去做這些更基礎的科普的部分是不是也可以一起納入呢有沒有這個機會好在教育的部分我們會努力讓小朋友聽得懂那樣子\n對那我想就是這個延續下來就是說作為一個負責任的委員然後我們剛爭取了活動項目那我也要想要了解這個預算上是不是可以來支持因為其實在今年我們是史上坎福第一的預算案那我就會想要知道\n那錢到底在哪裡 因為其實有很多委員都有爭取一些活動嘛那因為根據組織總署呢 其實立法院決議要求636億元由行政院自行調行之那\n這一切其實我不確定說我們現在主委清楚這些對於國會現在的業務國會的部分我們其實非常感謝我們交融會的委員對我們相當的支持我們受到刪減的部分大概29億多就是統三這其實是統三的部分\n然後我們的業務費受到的影響比較大就是凍結的部分比例比較高包含園區是希望說我們報告送到委員會來送到立法院希望能夠盡快解凍因為很多的這個規劃在年初就要開始\n好 我了解是是對 那我想問一下因為其實之前您國客會也有發布在11月27號有一個新聞是因應財化法的修法將會有200億元會受到影響認為這個是對於台灣的科技發展非常非常的不利那這個部分呢其實再加上我們的預算審查的一個結果我想先請教一個第一個問題是\n之前我們在詢問這個主委的時候其實你有提到說我們希望可以組成一個AI算力國家隊我們要把我們的算力達到480 petafloss在2028年那時候會到亞洲前三全球前十AI的準備度也會到全球前十但AI是全球競爭最重要的一個重點項目大家都在衝那依據這個才化法還有如果以今年的立法院的預算刪減會不會影響你的目標達成呢\n我們今年在AI算力建設本來一開始在委員會審查之後其實是有受到一些刪減那我也是極力在辯護啦後來有測案所以也非常感謝我們的委員願意支持國科會的這個說法那目前我們今年的預算如果能夠按照\n這個決議來執行的話今年我們的算力會受到影響會比較小但是我比較重點就是說因為政府的這一點投入會引起民間也願意再投更多的錢所以我相信今年民間的這個投入遠高於這個政府的投入我們台灣的這個排名應該會往前邁進\n好像才化法的部分會影響嗎才化法是我比較憂心的因為當初立法院通過的時候是決議好像說馬上要執行我就非常擔心會影響到今年那現在才化法如果明年要執行的話我們現在已經在編明年的預算恐怕我們也沒有辦法按照我們現在預計的可以編列讓我們的科技預算\n穩定的能夠成長所以我當然也是希望說立法院這邊能夠在財化法修正案能夠有在討論的空間能夠讓我們重要的發展因為科技預算是中央政府在主政很難讓地方分散來執行是非常困難希望能夠維持我們科技預算\n所以簡單來說啦就是說財化法的部分把錢撥到地方之後可能會影響到我們相關的科技研究還有像是我們AI的這些算力的建制嘛對不對對於我們之前講的這些目標達成是的確存在困難的嘛所以我想這個因為財化法其實已經國民黨跟民眾黨已經否決要復議了啦所以基本上就只能靠大家民眾一起來把我們這些\n主委把這些影響來告訴我們的民眾讓大家知道這個對國家的一些影響這些再請主委多多跟大家來做說明謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.629 --> 00:08.793\n質詢謝謝莊委我們有請主委有請主委備質詢謝謝\n\n00:15.165 --> 00:29.699\n范委員好主委好我想請問一下一下因為其實大家今天都在討論有關於半導體的這件事情嘛那其實之前呢總統總統出席外交春宴的時候也有提到說我們要打造一個非紅供應鏈來提升台灣的經濟韌性\n\n00:30.620 --> 00:52.153\n所以我今天也是要來這邊請教一下主委就是主委在2月15號的時候其實在你的臉書上面也提到說半導體今天有這樣子的成就其實是半世紀以來我們自己努力辛苦取得的絕對不是輕易取自他國所以願意以台灣為基地來協助友善的民主國家來發展晶片設計晶圓製造和封裝測試\n\n00:54.814 --> 01:11.025\n那剛剛其實主委在對前面的質詢也都有說明這您認為這對我們來說是一個機會對不對是那我想請問一下根據這個機會我們的下一步的發展我們現在有沒有針對這些友善民主國家有一個比較清楚的一個供應鏈的名單呢\n\n01:13.649 --> 01:35.801\n你說供應鏈就是我們國內的廠商嗎對我跟委員報告我們其實台灣所有的晶片廠商如果將來要發展這個民主供應鏈只要他是台灣設計台灣製造的都是我們的國家隊的隊員那我拜訪了所有的這些台灣重要的這個晶片設計廠商一家一家我都\n\n01:36.963 --> 01:55.097\n分別跟他們談過每一個廠商其實都非常的樂意跟政府來配合雖然我們的廠商他的這個業務是全世界在佈局的但是其實談到這個對於某些國家他必須要使用這個民主供應鏈的\n\n01:56.918 --> 02:20.032\n這樣的這個條件的時候我們台灣隊很快的就可以組起來這一點是沒有問題的好我想問一下因為我想大家都比較清楚是台積電他們有說了先進製程還是技術還是留在台灣但是我想大家還是會擔心就是心中的這些您剛講的這些供應鏈他們都覺得非常有興趣但是相關的先進技術還是會以台灣為基地嗎因為我想這是大家最關心的一件事情\n\n02:20.987 --> 02:47.692\n我們的這個先進製程的半導體晶圓製造的技術研發一定在台灣然後它的這個最先進的這個製程的這個量產也一定在台灣先完成以後才有辦法把它擴散到全球因為這個過程需要非常非常多條件這個條件現在全世界只有台灣是最成熟做的效率最高\n\n02:48.032 --> 03:04.152\n那我了解就像聽起來就是說即便是我們會去有一些供應鏈他們是會跟著一起到以台灣為基地嘛擴散到全世界這些友善的民主國家但我想來了解一下就是說那有沒有一個相關的規劃時程呢\n\n03:05.289 --> 03:19.531\n時程現在還不是很明確這個要看看市場的需求因為如果市場在當地的市場沒有很高的需求我們當然就不會說很快的就要全部都去那邊投資所以這種投資的行為一定是產業界自己決定\n\n03:21.633 --> 03:37.528\n我想我就再講進入下一個主題就是說聯合國在2025年其實他們每一年都會指定特定的主題跟國際年的一個核心目的主要是在聚焦全球的一些關鍵議題還有凝聚國際的共識並且通過教育科學以及文化\n\n03:38.168 --> 03:54.000\n來推動一個跨國的一個永續發展那其實每一年的題目都非常的有趣過去我自己有看到就像什麼植物健康年或是永續發展年用創意的經濟來促進這些文化產業的復甦等等的那您知道說今年的主題是什麼嗎\n\n03:55.441 --> 04:23.939\n就委员有显示了这个对已经谢提了那我想问一下我想这个其实是有特别的纪念意义就是2025年的时候其实就是这一位海森堡他其实在1925年的时候就发表了一个矩阵力学成为现在量子力学的第一个完整理论的描述那到现在已经100年了所以今年就决议来作为百年量子启航的一个历史传承跟未来的展望那其实呢这个里面有一个重点哦\n\n04:24.019 --> 04:49.057\n有三个重点就是说希望可以提升大众对量子科学科技的一个重要性的认知那第二个呢就是加强跨国与跨领域的合作那第三个就是聚焦量子科学对永续发展的应用那其中呢在这里面呢他还有讲到这个发展的主题他们其实是希望说可以发展这个再生能源技术还有医疗与药物开发以及金融安全与通讯加密\n\n04:49.817 --> 05:13.819\n我想就是說針對這三個項目博客會現在可能也有一些相關的研究跟主題的一些計畫但是我在今年的業務報告其實是看不太出來是不是有偏重這幾個項目所以我想請教主委就是針對這一個量子力學年我們有沒有相關的一些計畫可不可以簡單說明一下委員這個問題我可不可以請我們資產署處長\n\n05:17.794 --> 05:35.832\n今天是量子年那我們物理界跟物理學門包括物推中心都有辦一系列的活動總共有七項包括4月12號在台北101有個量子點燈的儀式大概是這樣這個活動揭開序幕\n\n05:38.564 --> 05:51.942\n好我想因為我還是蠻想要了解有沒有一些更詳細的一些計畫啦研究的部分但如果時間有限的話我想就到時候提供給我一些詳細的內容好不好好的那還有就是說其實在2022年呢博客會其實也針對了基礎科學促進發展\n\n05:53.944 --> 06:21.606\n國際年IYBSSD其實辦過相關的活動那時候還特別邀請到了蔡英文總統來親臨到現場祝福要來講這個紮根科學永續台灣讓更多的民眾了解科學跟永續發展的密不可分那我想針對這一系列的活動呢其實就包含今天的報告裡面其實也都有講到就是說我們其實投入了相當多的一些費用那我先等一下喔\n\n06:24.025 --> 06:50.290\n我們其實投過了相當多的費用那在世界也取得了不錯的成績到現在其實已經投入了80億那下一步下一步呢就是當我們如何扎根基層就是我們如何把這些研究的實力一磅一磅的傳下去那其實我們有一些科普列車我們也有KidsScience我們也有台灣科技新創基地那我們今年會有相關的活動把這個量子力學放進去嗎\n\n06:51.015 --> 07:19.950\n好謝謝委員這樣的建議我們其實在量子國家隊裡面在台大我們有購置IBM的量子運算的設備他們也很努力想要開發一些有關量子運算的科普的基層教育的活動我想也許我們自然處可以來跟台大討論一下看看能不能把這一項加到我們的科普教育裡面\n\n07:20.430 --> 07:36.615\n好科普教育部分那我想就是科普列車我想爭取一下科普列車啦KidsScience這些其實是對小孩去做這些更基礎的科普的部分是不是也可以一起納入呢有沒有這個機會好在教育的部分我們會努力讓小朋友聽得懂那樣子\n\n07:39.036 --> 07:56.508\n對那我想就是這個延續下來就是說作為一個負責任的委員然後我們剛爭取了活動項目那我也要想要了解這個預算上是不是可以來支持因為其實在今年我們是史上坎福第一的預算案那我就會想要知道\n\n07:57.048 --> 08:09.998\n那錢到底在哪裡因為其實有很多委員都有爭取一些活動嘛那因為根據組織總署呢其實立法院決議要求636億元由行政院自行調行之那\n\n08:11.747 --> 08:28.575\n這一切其實我不確定說我們現在主委清楚這些對於國會現在的業務國會的部分我們其實非常感謝我們交融會的委員對我們相當的支持我們受到刪減的部分大概29億多就是統三這其實是統三的部分\n\n08:32.637 --> 08:52.579\n然後我們的業務費受到的影響比較大就是凍結的部分比例比較高包含園區是希望說我們報告送到委員會來送到立法院希望能夠盡快解凍因為很多的這個規劃在年初就要開始\n\n08:53.260 --> 09:16.639\n好我了解是是對那我想問一下因為其實之前您國客會也有發布在11月27號有一個新聞是因應財化法的修法將會有200億元會受到影響認為這個是對於台灣的科技發展非常非常的不利那這個部分呢其實再加上我們的預算審查的一個結果我想先請教一個第一個問題是\n\n09:18.360 --> 09:44.974\n之前我們在詢問這個主委的時候其實你有提到說我們希望可以組成一個AI算力國家隊我們要把我們的算力達到480petafloss在2028年那時候會到亞洲前三全球前十AI的準備度也會到全球前十但AI是全球競爭最重要的一個重點項目大家都在衝那依據這個才化法還有如果以今年的立法院的預算刪減會不會影響你的目標達成呢\n\n09:46.533 --> 10:11.713\n我們今年在AI算力建設本來一開始在委員會審查之後其實是有受到一些刪減那我也是極力在辯護啦後來有測案所以也非常感謝我們的委員願意支持國科會的這個說法那目前我們今年的預算如果能夠按照\n\n10:15.555 --> 10:32.906\n這個決議來執行的話今年我們的算力會受到影響會比較小但是我比較重點就是說因為政府的這一點投入會引起民間也願意再投更多的錢所以我相信今年民間的這個投入遠高於這個政府的投入我們台灣的這個排名應該會往前邁進\n\n10:35.267 --> 10:58.159\n好像才化法的部分會影響嗎才化法是我比較憂心的因為當初立法院通過的時候是決議好像說馬上要執行我就非常擔心會影響到今年那現在才化法如果明年要執行的話我們現在已經在編明年的預算恐怕我們也沒有辦法按照我們現在預計的可以編列讓我們的科技預算\n\n10:59.720 --> 11:21.769\n穩定的能夠成長所以我當然也是希望說立法院這邊能夠在財化法修正案能夠有在討論的空間能夠讓我們重要的發展因為科技預算是中央政府在主政很難讓地方分散來執行是非常困難希望能夠維持我們科技預算\n\n11:21.869 --> 11:45.699\n所以簡單來說啦就是說財化法的部分把錢撥到地方之後可能會影響到我們相關的科技研究還有像是我們AI的這些算力的建制嘛對不對對於我們之前講的這些目標達成是的確存在困難的嘛所以我想這個因為財化法其實已經國民黨跟民眾黨已經否決要復議了啦所以基本上就只能靠大家民眾一起來把我們這些\n\n11:47.200 --> 11:54.826\n主委把這些影響來告訴我們的民眾讓大家知道這個對國家的一些影響這些再請主委多多跟大家來做說明謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.629,"end":8.793,"text":"質詢謝謝莊委 我們有請主委有請主委備質詢 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