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00:02:00,300\n那週休二日你還要一些國定假日那算起來勞工在意的是他們的薪水如何提高\n\n7\n00:02:01,383 --> 00:02:19,514\n他的薪水提高他的家庭他才有活動去顧啊因為大家都有經濟壓力我們是要怎樣來讓他的薪水提高這樣才對他們更有保障這個部分是不是說不定我們說他這個方面我們的勞動節這個部分要怎樣來實施可以符合說因為畢竟他們會造成勞工休息但是\n\n8\n00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:40,131\n他的配偶為他沒休息,他的小朋友為他託租,又不同調你說你既然要實施,就先對我們的勞工、保溫、勞動者我們來做研究,是不是這樣保證你會看法\n\n9\n00:02:49,366 --> 00:02:53,209\n謝謝吳委員對這裡的教育吳委員為上教育的勞工在內政部的實施辦法裡面在5條有說到現在有節日按照規定放假的兒童節然後勞動節跟軍人節\n\n10\n00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:25,139\n那兒童節當然兒童放假但是當天或者是第二天剛好也都是掃墓的部分所以兩個放在一起可能大家會覺得剛好有一個放假日不管是民俗節日或者是兒童放假因為兒童都是全世界都知道這是未來國家的主人翁\n\n11\n00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:48,681\n那一天如果沒有放假大概也會犯重怒但是勞動節的話在我們規範是因為由勞動部會希望是勞動部的規定是勞工放假軍人節的話是按照國防部的規定來放假但是大家都知道軍人節放假那一天全國軍人要放假台灣的國家安全就出狀況變得有留守的軍人\n\n12\n00:03:49,522 --> 00:04:17,597\n不能夠在軍人節放假那既然有留守的軍人不能夠在軍人放假的話他們可能就要補休或是有休假或是其他的方式來做修訂那但是在勞動節的部分呢我們討論的是勞工放假之後勞工有沒有其他的一個補救措施但是現在呢外面所講的所謂的勞動團體在講所謂還我七天假把勞動節拿出來是說勞動節那一天勞工放假但是非勞工沒有放假\n\n13\n00:04:18,537 --> 00:04:42,414\n這個是一個很奇怪的論點所以我們才說我們應該跳脫第一個我們已經講過應該跳脫紀念日跟節日的實施辦法大家一起來討論就是全國的人總共放假日是115天或126天這樣子到底適不適合那如果不適合的狀況之下我們怎麼樣增加這個放假的部分而不要只\n\n14\n00:04:43,815 --> 00:05:00,766\n把這個所謂的勞動節或者是教師節拿出來因為本來勞工在勞動節那天就放假了那我們怎麼對人家講說勞動節那一天非勞工也要跟著一起放假那這是另外一個議題的思考\n\n15\n00:05:01,326 --> 00:05:27,164\n而不是拿這個議題來說因為環國七天假所以勞動節那天要放假勞動節本來勞工就放假所以這個不是我們在特別針對外面的想法那當然在行政部門內部我們看到就是說如果勞動節那邊全國放假的話是全國的軍公教跟著一起放假那天全國都放假的狀況之下有人會拿\n\n16\n00:05:27,884 --> 00:05:46,358\n要領加班費那有人要過來上班但是我們知道公務人員大概多少天的假就跟著多少天放假那個大概沒有意義但是會影響到比較多的就是我們所說的我們放假天數那麼多我們用那個過年農曆春節期間過年的時候誰最辛苦\n\n17\n00:05:49,500 --> 00:06:14,842\n交通運輸業的人或者是觀光旅宿業的人這種都是小型的這些人呢或者是我們看到統一超商裡面第一線在做服務的同仁這麼這些第一個他們有沒有按照勞基法裡面領到應該有的加班費或是應該有的特休的部分這一塊才是真正照顧到勞工權益的部分也就是說不要把\n\n18\n00:06:15,622 --> 00:06:24,174\n所謂的假日或是節日放假這個事情把要還給什麼勞工有七天假或者是有一些特殊身份的人要放假全部把它\n\n19\n00:06:26,764 --> 00:06:51,366\n這樣子反而無法處理事情那行政部門本來就是按照我們的行政程序一步一步非常清楚的框架下來以後我們就可以去按照這樣子的辦法也好或是法律案來一起討論那在這次的修法當中我們特別提到以目前來講第一個明年我們才會碰到明年的要不要放假的狀況所以還有時間我們可以凝聚共識那院長在\n\n20\n00:06:51,946 --> 00:07:14,279\n立法院回答很多立委的時候也提到我們是保持開放的態度但是要能夠凝聚目標或者凝聚方向有區域一致的目標跟方向的話那行政立法部門或是我們跟很多的勞動團體或是跟很多其他的相關的職業團體呢就有比較好的溝通空間希望能夠很平和的來解決這個問題好的\n\n21\n00:07:16,616 --> 00:07:20,440\n謝謝部長因為你說他們所提出的二十六個有三十一種版本其實這都大家我們都尊重我們都很尊重我們各委員提出的但是你對勞工我們要怎麼照顧勞工這個部分因為大家勞工他們受到的經濟壓力都大嘛\n\n22\n00:07:38,058 --> 00:07:40,221\n要如何去提高新租,該有的享有的收價,我們都要朝這方向來努力,讓勞工,勞工是最辛苦的,勞工的經濟壓力也最重的\n\n23\n00:07:55,519 --> 00:08:01,461\n所以在這個部分我們都是站在勞工上最新我們這陣頭也是站在勞工的這個部分來看待這個事情未來我希望說可以來開公聽會找相關的單位包含我們的勞工代表還是說我們的僱主大家都共同來檢討不要說這樣一個飛機一次就要再來修改一遍那這也不是好事啦在這裡再次感謝謝謝\n\n24\n00:08:27,132 --> 00:08:28,118\n好謝謝好謝謝吳京明委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6584\t9693\t好 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主席我們與會同仁請我們內政部部長請內政部的部長\n部長針對我們紀念日與節日的實施條例的草案那本期早上也有看到26位的委員提出都是大家都不同的版本那總共的紀念日就有31種那有大家都有不同的放假的理由實際上在這31種我們要實施的話還是要很全面性的考量\n那本席也知道在去年也辦了公聽會但是公聽會的結果也沒有共識那未來我們要怎樣實施因為已經制定的國定假日這是關係到未來整個產業鏈以及我們所有的經公教人員大家的休息的時間那本席也知道\n最重要就是5月1號的勞動節勞動節全國的勞工都有休息但是本席在這邊每年我都會去參加那個勞工節的表揚活動那勞工他們雖然休息了但是有的家庭他是他不管是\n先生是公教人員還是都是不同調那要討論是因為那個勞動節是不是我們也是一致性來做討論我認為這應該會比較確實一點那其實現在勞工他們面臨到的問題不是多少的家因為我們現在台灣是週休二日嘛\n那週休二日你還要一些國定假日那算起來勞工在意的是他們的薪水如何提高\n他的薪水提高他的家庭他才有活動去顧啊因為大家都有經濟壓力我們是要怎樣來讓他的薪水提高這樣才對他們更有保障這個部分是不是說不定我們說他這個方面我們的勞動節這個部分要怎樣來實施可以符合說因為畢竟他們會造成勞工休息但是\n他的配偶為他沒休息,他的小朋友為他託租,又不同調你說你既然要實施,就先對我們的勞工、保溫、勞動者我們來做研究,是不是這樣保證你會看法\n謝謝吳委員對這裡的教育吳委員為上教育的勞工在內政部的實施辦法裡面在5條有說到現在有節日按照規定放假的兒童節然後勞動節跟軍人節\n那兒童節當然兒童放假但是當天或者是第二天剛好也都是掃墓的部分所以兩個放在一起可能大家會覺得剛好有一個放假日不管是民俗節日或者是兒童放假因為兒童都是全世界都知道這是未來國家的主人翁\n那一天如果沒有放假大概也會犯重怒但是勞動節的話在我們規範是因為由勞動部會希望是勞動部的規定是勞工放假軍人節的話是按照國防部的規定來放假但是大家都知道軍人節放假那一天全國軍人要放假台灣的國家安全就出狀況變得有留守的軍人\n不能夠在軍人節放假那既然有留守的軍人不能夠在軍人放假的話他們可能就要補休或是有休假或是其他的方式來做修訂那但是在勞動節的部分呢我們討論的是勞工放假之後勞工有沒有其他的一個補救措施但是現在呢外面所講的所謂的勞動團體在講所謂還我七天假把勞動節拿出來是說勞動節那一天勞工放假但是非勞工沒有放假\n這個是一個很奇怪的論點所以我們才說我們應該跳脫第一個我們已經講過應該跳脫紀念日跟節日的實施辦法大家一起來討論就是全國的人總共放假日是115天或126天這樣子到底適不適合那如果不適合的狀況之下我們怎麼樣增加這個放假的部分而不要只\n把這個所謂的勞動節或者是教師節拿出來因為本來勞工在勞動節那天就放假了那我們怎麼對人家講說勞動節那一天非勞工也要跟著一起放假那這是另外一個議題的思考\n而不是拿這個議題來說因為環國七天假所以勞動節那天要放假勞動節本來勞工就放假所以這個不是我們在特別針對外面的想法那當然在行政部門內部我們看到就是說如果勞動節那邊全國放假的話是全國的軍公教跟著一起放假那天全國都放假的狀況之下有人會拿\n要領加班費那有人要過來上班但是我們知道公務人員大概多少天的假就跟著多少天放假那個大概沒有意義但是會影響到比較多的就是我們所說的我們放假天數那麼多我們用那個過年農曆春節期間過年的時候誰最辛苦\n交通運輸業的人或者是觀光旅宿業的人這種都是小型的這些人呢或者是我們看到統一超商裡面第一線在做服務的同仁這麼這些第一個他們有沒有按照勞基法裡面領到應該有的加班費或是應該有的特休的部分這一塊才是真正照顧到勞工權益的部分也就是說不要把\n所謂的假日或是節日放假這個事情把要還給什麼勞工有七天假或者是有一些特殊身份的人要放假全部把它\n這樣子反而無法處理事情那行政部門本來就是按照我們的行政程序一步一步非常清楚的框架下來以後我們就可以去按照這樣子的辦法也好或是法律案來一起討論那在這次的修法當中我們特別提到以目前來講第一個明年我們才會碰到明年的要不要放假的狀況所以還有時間我們可以凝聚共識那院長在\n立法院回答很多立委的時候也提到我們是保持開放的態度但是要能夠凝聚目標或者凝聚方向有區域一致的目標跟方向的話那行政立法部門或是我們跟很多的勞動團體或是跟很多其他的相關的職業團體呢就有比較好的溝通空間希望能夠很平和的來解決這個問題好的\n謝謝部長 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