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00:02:11,471\n就是我們平均一年的總工時台灣在2023年供OECD國家的總工時差距多少你直接回答我時間不多你知道嗎OECD各國的連總工時也不一樣平均總工時\n\n6\n00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:22,586\n好沒關係那我來講OECD國家它一年就是1742個小時這是平均啊對對對對那台灣是2020嘛2020所以這樣差起來是278個小時\n\n7\n00:02:31,656 --> 00:02:41,247\n所以站在這樣的一個立場但是呢OECD平均它人均所得在2023年是46724美元那我們台灣是32442美元所以我想請教劉部長跟我們這個\n\n8\n00:02:52,115 --> 00:03:16,532\n李次長那你們是不是認同就是說其實即便勞工應該說我們勞動人口我們如果台灣價多其實對整個的GDP或是影響是不是一個有直接性的就是說不會放假多我們的GDP就弱吧這點你們認同吧\n\n9\n00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:42,631\n我們認為各行業的狀況確實不一樣對對對我沒有再跟你進入細節因為各行業有差別嘛那OECD國家他難道沒有各行業嗎也有嘛那我剛剛也聽到就是說部長也回那個劉部長也回答很多委員就是說好那有一些大企業歸大企業但中小企業要照顧我們都認同那但是\n\n10\n00:03:44,019 --> 00:04:03,268\n世界各國還有很多先進國家他也都有很多中小企業啊所以我想這個應該不是主要的原因應該是在於剛剛部長你也有講現在要整合嘛對不對我們要整合現在大家有這樣的一個共識包含民調也\n\n11\n00:04:04,448 --> 00:04:30,897\n這個有60幾%將近七成的民眾都希望我們應該可以當然剛剛部長講說這個有很多版本加起來有二三十天的假其實我相信大家一定不是希望這樣而是說在現有的基礎上我們是不是可以增加嘛我們可以增加一天兩天三天所以這個部分部長你認同吧雖然你們還在凝聚共識吧\n\n12\n00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:48,821\n那個委員你提的版本是五天不是啦不是啦我是說那五天都是大家期望我們民意代表嘛我不是說要放五天啦我們可以漸進式嘛你看先放一天兩天也可以啊\n\n13\n00:04:49,321 --> 00:05:14,121\n我想委員的想法非常的好你都還記得每個委員提幾天你們有做表格因為這樣子所以如果說我們的立法院的各個提案的版本能夠針對剛剛委員所提到的不堅持自己要提案的多少天數為主慢慢就會有共識出來但是目前我所聽到的很多人都很堅持自己的部分我想說\n\n14\n00:05:16,443 --> 00:05:42,153\n也就是我刚所说的如果说立法院跟行政系统这边有一定共识的话那我们就很快可以去拟定出来未来的方向那我们会按照这样子的方向来去对很好所以我们其实应该就说大家朝向说我们现在的工时比OECD国家这个平均真的多太多了所以我们其实可以\n\n15\n00:05:42,913 --> 00:06:12,093\n朝向譬如說增多放一天兩天我們先這樣逐步來推進所以本席馬上看到的就是說民調最高的就是勞動節那勞動節現在勞工已經放假只剩下軍公教那剛剛劉部長也說這個目的事業主管機關那些其實現在就這個執政黨就是我們民進黨所以從行政院到人事行政總署到內政部到勞動部其實你們可以盡快有共識\n\n16\n00:06:13,273 --> 00:06:41,200\n五一而且现在就是只剩军工架你要不要给他放那这个应该可以尽快的来拟定共识那再来就是我们现在针对这个我不知道我拿到的数据也许有很多人做但都差不多至少前四名好像大家都差不多那我这边第二名是行宪纪念日第三名是教师节再来第四名台湾光复节所以在这样的情况下\n\n17\n00:06:42,080 --> 00:07:10,378\n是不是我们也可以朝向这个比如像教师节我们对老师的这个理解跟尊重还有尊师重道那当然很多人会讲其实每个节日大家都有一个理由嘛那但是呢其实现在的社会其实老师真的是很辛苦这个时代的变化再加上我们也发现其实教育对台湾来说真的非常非常重要那教育工作者\n\n18\n00:07:10,838 --> 00:07:27,808\n我們怎麼樣來對他的尊重所以是不是可以考慮這個教師節那至於行獻紀念日跟光復節那這就是對我們的這種歷史的意義還有歷史的尊重這個部分所以本席希望我們勞動部還有內政部這邊\n\n19\n00:07:30,209 --> 00:07:54,591\n是不是像刚刚部长也有讲我们不要说对啊这个大家都坚持但是我们可以就最有共识的还有民调其实劳动部跟内政部都可以去做一下民调你们自己做的也许你更相信然后你看看民众的需求那再来就是其实我们刚刚一开始提出来的\n\n20\n00:07:55,111 --> 00:08:22,295\n那我們要跟世界先進國家我們要一起努力嘛所以民眾台灣這個經濟奇蹟就是我們所有民眾還有甚至我們勞工朋友大家共同努力的但是更好的生活品質更多的休閒我相信會讓他們在工作上願意付出更多所以從這個角度出發所以我們希望內政部勞動部這裡跟我們行政院這裡可以\n\n21\n00:08:22,715 --> 00:08:46,773\n朝向这个方向来给我们这个纪念日跟假日呢我们逐步的来推进一天两天三天这个希望我们今年可以有一个共识那明年呢大家可以欢喜的放假那我们更希望我们因为有了很好的假期休闲那我们的整个的产值我们整个的GDP可以更高好不好可以吗部长今年可以努力吧\n\n22\n00:08:48,875 --> 00:09:07,353\n現在已經在努力了報告委員我們現在努力可是您剛講的一天兩天三天可以討論可是你剛講就四天了啊不是啦那我四天我沒有堅持我已經四天我都很努力在聽你講這部分對對對我說四天是說民調有這四天嘛那但是你看一天兩天你們就開始\n\n23\n00:09:08,194 --> 00:09:20,922\n有一些作為出來民眾就會感受到對你有重視到我們台灣的工時過長我們開始逐步的減少推進增加大家的放假休閒嘛部長可以嗎可以吧\n\n24\n00:09:22,573 --> 00:09:28,877\n剛剛有提到我們盡量趕快有共識出來那不好意思最後我再佔用一分鐘的時間請次長回座部長我們現在有一個問題在102年的時候那時候第八屆本席當第八屆立委的時候那時候陳其邁委員他提案刪除了當時中央行政單位從行政院到各部會首長副首長的特別費\n\n25\n00:09:51,129 --> 00:10:13,708\n三減他提案三一半最後立法院決議是三二十五趴這樣一三就是十幾年那在隔年一百零三年的時候那個主計總處他就發了一個公文就要求地方行政單位行政機關的首長副首長要比照那這個\n\n26\n00:10:15,049 --> 00:10:30,993\n我們會覺得不合理因為立法院因為中央行政單位的經費是立法院在監督制衡但實際上縣市政府或者是鄉鎮市公所他們是有代表會跟縣市議會在監督所以\n\n27\n00:10:33,414 --> 00:10:55,966\n用一個什麼共同性費用編列基準好像不是那麼恰當所以這樣一山就十一年現在地方鄉鎮市長有這個聲音是不是就是可以恢復鄉鎮市長的可以恢復當然我知道這個足跡總署還有內政部所以這一塊是不是可以請部長\n\n28\n00:10:57,326 --> 00:11:19,137\n因為我們已經有問過主席總書希望內政部可以主動提出來所以本席不好意思用一點點時間部長您認為呢就是說我們鄉鎮市長他的特別費你給代表會他去決議就好你沒有必要說我現在立法院三中央部會的你就拉地方首長來你一起跟我一樣\n\n29\n00:11:21,259 --> 00:11:30,527\n我對當時的提案不是那麼了解但是行政院大概人事行政總署跟主計總署那時候國民黨執政嘛國民黨官方執政陳其邁委員就刪嘛一般共同性的這個包括這個預算的處理原則啦那地方自住法裡面當然是內政部由負責來督導\n\n30\n00:11:40,436 --> 00:11:48,381\n那是不是讓我們有一點時間來瞭解一下這個狀況因為目前一個月內可以回覆我先來瞭解一下那個狀況因為目前我們114年很多特資費也都被刪掉了如果按照我現在講的是公則嘛所以有鄉鎮公所可能也會在保養所以我現在先按照就是行政院的主計總處跟我們人總裡面的共通性的刪減原則那個特別針對地方不要拿地方來\n\n31\n00:12:10,275 --> 00:12:17,123\n現在中央歸中央是不是有漢格的地方我來了解一下然後我會盡快跟委員來做回覆好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10643\t13904\t好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長劉部長有請徐委員好勞動部的次長李次長有請一起 謝謝\n34858\t57232\t請教部長還有次長去年也就上個會期我們有辦紀念日及假日的公聽會我不知道那天都是次長來還是部長您有在嗎?我們內政部是一位次長來代表是吳長次嗎?不是那勞動部那一天是誰?\n60069\t86322\t那也是我們勞工部常識的是常識 好 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2020所以這樣差起來是278個小時\n151656\t161247\t所以站在這樣的一個立場但是呢OECD平均它人均所得在2023年是46724美元那我們台灣是32442美元所以我想請教劉部長跟我們這個\n172115\t196532\t李次長那你們是不是認同就是說其實即便勞工應該說我們勞動人口我們如果台灣價多其實對整個的GDP或是影響是不是一個有直接性的就是說不會放假多我們的GDP就弱吧這點你們認同吧\n199009\t222631\t我們認為各行業的狀況確實不一樣對對對我沒有再跟你進入細節因為各行業有差別嘛那OECD國家他難道沒有各行業嗎也有嘛那我剛剛也聽到就是說部長也回那個劉部長也回答很多委員就是說好那有一些大企業歸大企業但中小企業要照顧我們都認同那但是\n224019\t243268\t世界各國還有很多先進國家他也都有很多中小企業啊所以我想這個應該不是主要的原因應該是在於剛剛部長你也有講現在要整合嘛對不對我們要整合現在大家有這樣的一個共識包含民調也\n244448\t270897\t這個有60幾%將近七成的民眾都希望我們應該可以當然剛剛部長講說這個有很多版本加起來有二三十天的假其實我相信大家一定不是希望這樣而是說在現有的基礎上我們是不是可以增加嘛我們可以增加一天兩天三天所以這個部分部長你認同吧雖然你們還在凝聚共識吧\n272639\t288821\t那個委員你提的版本是五天不是啦不是啦我是說那五天都是大家期望我們民意代表嘛我不是說要放五天啦我們可以漸進式嘛你看先放一天兩天也可以啊\n289321\t314121\t我想委員的想法非常的好你都還記得每個委員提幾天你們有做表格因為這樣子所以如果說我們的立法院的各個提案的版本能夠針對剛剛委員所提到的不堅持自己要提案的多少天數為主慢慢就會有共識出來但是目前我所聽到的很多人都很堅持自己的部分我想說\n316443\t342153\t也就是我刚所说的如果说立法院跟行政系统这边有一定共识的话那我们就很快可以去拟定出来未来的方向那我们会按照这样子的方向来去对很好所以我们其实应该就说大家朝向说我们现在的工时比OECD国家这个平均真的多太多了所以我们其实可以\n342913\t372093\t朝向譬如說增多放一天兩天我們先這樣逐步來推進所以本席馬上看到的就是說民調最高的就是勞動節那勞動節現在勞工已經放假只剩下軍公教那剛剛劉部長也說這個目的事業主管機關那些其實現在就這個執政黨就是我們民進黨所以從行政院到人事行政總署到內政部到勞動部其實你們可以盡快有共識\n373273\t401200\t五一而且现在就是只剩军工架你要不要给他放那这个应该可以尽快的来拟定共识那再来就是我们现在针对这个我不知道我拿到的数据也许有很多人做但都差不多至少前四名好像大家都差不多那我这边第二名是行宪纪念日第三名是教师节再来第四名台湾光复节所以在这样的情况下\n402080\t430378\t是不是我们也可以朝向这个比如像教师节我们对老师的这个理解跟尊重还有尊师重道那当然很多人会讲其实每个节日大家都有一个理由嘛那但是呢其实现在的社会其实老师真的是很辛苦这个时代的变化再加上我们也发现其实教育对台湾来说真的非常非常重要那教育工作者\n430838\t447808\t我們怎麼樣來對他的尊重所以是不是可以考慮這個教師節那至於行獻紀念日跟光復節那這就是對我們的這種歷史的意義還有歷史的尊重這個部分所以本席希望我們勞動部還有內政部這邊\n450209\t474591\t是不是像刚刚部长也有讲我们不要说对啊这个大家都坚持但是我们可以就最有共识的还有民调其实劳动部跟内政部都可以去做一下民调你们自己做的也许你更相信然后你看看民众的需求那再来就是其实我们刚刚一开始提出来的\n475111\t502295\t那我們要跟世界先進國家我們要一起努力嘛所以民眾台灣這個經濟奇蹟就是我們所有民眾還有甚至我們勞工朋友大家共同努力的但是更好的生活品質更多的休閒我相信會讓他們在工作上願意付出更多所以從這個角度出發所以我們希望內政部勞動部這裡跟我們行政院這裡可以\n502715\t526773\t朝向这个方向来给我们这个纪念日跟假日呢我们逐步的来推进一天两天三天这个希望我们今年可以有一个共识那明年呢大家可以欢喜的放假那我们更希望我们因为有了很好的假期休闲那我们的整个的产值我们整个的GDP可以更高好不好可以吗部长今年可以努力吧\n528875\t547353\t現在已經在努力了報告委員我們現在努力可是您剛講的一天兩天三天可以討論可是你剛講就四天了啊不是啦那我四天我沒有堅持我已經四天我都很努力在聽你講這部分對對對我說四天是說民調有這四天嘛那但是你看一天兩天你們就開始\n548194\t560922\t有一些作為出來民眾就會感受到對你有重視到我們台灣的工時過長我們開始逐步的減少推進增加大家的放假休閒嘛部長可以嗎可以吧\n562573\t568877\t剛剛有提到我們盡量趕快有共識出來那不好意思最後我再佔用一分鐘的時間請次長回座部長我們現在有一個問題在102年的時候那時候第八屆本席當第八屆立委的時候那時候陳其邁委員他提案刪除了當時中央行政單位從行政院到各部會首長副首長的特別費\n591129\t613708\t三減他提案三一半最後立法院決議是三二十五趴這樣一三就是十幾年那在隔年一百零三年的時候那個主計總處他就發了一個公文就要求地方行政單位行政機關的首長副首長要比照那這個\n615049\t630993\t我們會覺得不合理因為立法院因為中央行政單位的經費是立法院在監督制衡但實際上縣市政府或者是鄉鎮市公所他們是有代表會跟縣市議會在監督所以\n633414\t655966\t用一個什麼共同性費用編列基準好像不是那麼恰當所以這樣一山就十一年現在地方鄉鎮市長有這個聲音是不是就是可以恢復鄉鎮市長的可以恢復當然我知道這個足跡總署還有內政部所以這一塊是不是可以請部長\n657326\t679137\t因為我們已經有問過主席總書希望內政部可以主動提出來所以本席不好意思用一點點時間部長您認為呢就是說我們鄉鎮市長他的特別費你給代表會他去決議就好你沒有必要說我現在立法院三中央部會的你就拉地方首長來你一起跟我一樣\n681259\t690527\t我對當時的提案不是那麼了解但是行政院大概人事行政總署跟主計總署那時候國民黨執政嘛國民黨官方執政陳其邁委員就刪嘛一般共同性的這個包括這個預算的處理原則啦那地方自住法裡面當然是內政部由負責來督導\n700436\t708381\t那是不是讓我們有一點時間來瞭解一下這個狀況因為目前一個月內可以回覆我先來瞭解一下那個狀況因為目前我們114年很多特資費也都被刪掉了如果按照我現在講的是公則嘛所以有鄉鎮公所可能也會在保養所以我現在先按照就是行政院的主計總處跟我們人總裡面的共通性的刪減原則那個特別針對地方不要拿地方來\n730275\t737123\t現在中央歸中央是不是有漢格的地方我來了解一下然後我會盡快跟委員來做回覆好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長劉部長有請徐委員好勞動部的次長李次長有請一起 謝謝\n請教部長還有次長去年也就上個會期我們有辦紀念日及假日的公聽會我不知道那天都是次長來還是部長您有在嗎?我們內政部是一位次長來代表是吳長次嗎?不是那勞動部那一天是誰?\n那也是我們勞工部常識的是常識 好 OK那沒關係這個但是機關代表都有到嘛這個我們今天討論這個紀念日跟假日當然前面很多委員很多相關議題都討論了那本席想要請教部長還有次長的就是說我們都看到台灣的總工時當然剛剛針對什麼勞工還我七天假這個假設我們先撇開不講\n整個台灣的總工時跟OECD國家這個的總工時差距了多少這個就去年2023已經變前年了去年還沒有出來這是勞動部還有OECD官網的數字你們知道差距多少嗎部長你知道嗎部長不知道那次長你知道嗎\n就是我們平均一年的總工時台灣在2023年供OECD國家的總工時差距多少你直接回答我時間不多你知道嗎OECD各國的連總工時也不一樣平均總工時\n好 沒關係 那我來講OECD國家它一年就是1742個小時這是平均啊對對對對那台灣是2020嘛 2020所以這樣差起來是278個小時\n所以站在這樣的一個立場但是呢OECD平均它人均所得在2023年是46724美元那我們台灣是32442美元所以我想請教劉部長跟我們這個\n李次長那你們是不是認同就是說其實即便勞工應該說我們勞動人口我們如果台灣價多其實對整個的GDP或是影響是不是一個有直接性的就是說不會放假多我們的GDP就弱吧這點你們認同吧\n我們認為各行業的狀況確實不一樣對對對我沒有再跟你進入細節因為各行業有差別嘛那OECD國家他難道沒有各行業嗎也有嘛那我剛剛也聽到就是說部長也回那個劉部長也回答很多委員就是說好那有一些大企業歸大企業但中小企業要照顧我們都認同那但是\n世界各國還有很多先進國家他也都有很多中小企業啊所以我想這個應該不是主要的原因應該是在於剛剛部長你也有講現在要整合嘛對不對我們要整合現在大家有這樣的一個共識包含民調也\n這個有60幾%將近七成的民眾都希望我們應該可以當然剛剛部長講說這個有很多版本加起來有二三十天的假其實我相信大家一定不是希望這樣而是說在現有的基礎上我們是不是可以增加嘛我們可以增加一天兩天三天所以這個部分部長你認同吧雖然你們還在凝聚共識吧\n那個委員你提的版本是五天不是啦不是啦我是說那五天都是大家期望我們民意代表嘛我不是說要放五天啦我們可以漸進式嘛你看先放一天兩天也可以啊\n我想委員的想法非常的好你都還記得每個委員提幾天你們有做表格因為這樣子所以如果說我們的立法院的各個提案的版本能夠針對剛剛委員所提到的不堅持自己要提案的多少天數為主慢慢就會有共識出來但是目前我所聽到的很多人都很堅持自己的部分我想說\n也就是我刚所说的如果说立法院跟行政系统这边有一定共识的话那我们就很快可以去拟定出来未来的方向那我们会按照这样子的方向来去对很好所以我们其实应该就说大家朝向说我们现在的工时比OECD国家这个平均真的多太多了所以我们其实可以\n朝向譬如說增多放一天兩天我們先這樣逐步來推進所以本席馬上看到的就是說民調最高的就是勞動節那勞動節現在勞工已經放假只剩下軍公教那剛剛劉部長也說這個目的事業主管機關那些其實現在就這個執政黨就是我們民進黨所以從行政院到人事行政總署到內政部到勞動部其實你們可以盡快有共識\n五一而且现在就是只剩军工架你要不要给他放那这个应该可以尽快的来拟定共识那再来就是我们现在针对这个我不知道我拿到的数据也许有很多人做但都差不多至少前四名好像大家都差不多那我这边第二名是行宪纪念日第三名是教师节再来第四名台湾光复节所以在这样的情况下\n是不是我们也可以朝向这个比如像教师节我们对老师的这个理解跟尊重还有尊师重道那当然很多人会讲其实每个节日大家都有一个理由嘛那但是呢其实现在的社会其实老师真的是很辛苦这个时代的变化再加上我们也发现其实教育对台湾来说真的非常非常重要那教育工作者\n我們怎麼樣來對他的尊重所以是不是可以考慮這個教師節那至於行獻紀念日跟光復節那這就是對我們的這種歷史的意義還有歷史的尊重這個部分所以本席希望我們勞動部還有內政部這邊\n是不是像刚刚部长也有讲我们不要说对啊这个大家都坚持但是我们可以就最有共识的还有民调其实劳动部跟内政部都可以去做一下民调你们自己做的也许你更相信然后你看看民众的需求那再来就是其实我们刚刚一开始提出来的\n那我們要跟世界先進國家我們要一起努力嘛所以民眾台灣這個經濟奇蹟就是我們所有民眾還有甚至我們勞工朋友大家共同努力的但是更好的生活品質更多的休閒我相信會讓他們在工作上願意付出更多所以從這個角度出發所以我們希望內政部勞動部這裡跟我們行政院這裡可以\n朝向这个方向来给我们这个纪念日跟假日呢我们逐步的来推进一天两天三天这个希望我们今年可以有一个共识那明年呢大家可以欢喜的放假那我们更希望我们因为有了很好的假期休闲那我们的整个的产值我们整个的GDP可以更高好不好可以吗部长今年可以努力吧\n現在已經在努力了報告委員我們現在努力可是您剛講的一天兩天三天可以討論可是你剛講就四天了啊不是啦那我四天我沒有堅持我已經四天我都很努力在聽你講這部分對對對我說四天是說民調有這四天嘛那但是你看一天兩天你們就開始\n有一些作為出來民眾就會感受到對你有重視到我們台灣的工時過長我們開始逐步的減少推進增加大家的放假休閒嘛部長可以嗎可以吧\n剛剛有提到我們盡量趕快有共識出來那不好意思最後我再佔用一分鐘的時間請次長回座部長我們現在有一個問題在102年的時候那時候第八屆本席當第八屆立委的時候那時候陳其邁委員他提案刪除了當時中央行政單位從行政院到各部會首長副首長的特別費\n三減他提案三一半最後立法院決議是三二十五趴這樣一三就是十幾年那在隔年一百零三年的時候那個主計總處他就發了一個公文就要求地方行政單位行政機關的首長副首長要比照那這個\n我們會覺得不合理因為立法院因為中央行政單位的經費是立法院在監督制衡但實際上縣市政府或者是鄉鎮市公所他們是有代表會跟縣市議會在監督所以\n用一個什麼共同性費用編列基準好像不是那麼恰當所以這樣一山就十一年現在地方鄉鎮市長有這個聲音是不是就是可以恢復鄉鎮市長的可以恢復當然我知道這個足跡總署還有內政部所以這一塊是不是可以請部長\n因為我們已經有問過主席總書希望內政部可以主動提出來所以本席不好意思用一點點時間部長您認為呢就是說我們鄉鎮市長他的特別費你給代表會他去決議就好你沒有必要說我現在立法院三中央部會的你就拉地方首長來你一起跟我一樣\n我對當時的提案不是那麼了解但是行政院大概人事行政總署跟主計總署那時候國民黨執政嘛國民黨官方執政陳其邁委員就刪嘛一般共同性的這個包括這個預算的處理原則啦那地方自住法裡面當然是內政部由負責來督導\n那是不是讓我們有一點時間來瞭解一下這個狀況因為目前一個月內可以回覆我先來瞭解一下那個狀況因為目前我們114年很多特資費也都被刪掉了如果按照我現在講的是公則嘛所以有鄉鎮公所可能也會在保養所以我現在先按照就是行政院的主計總處跟我們人總裡面的共通性的刪減原則那個特別針對地方不要拿地方來\n現在中央歸中央是不是有漢格的地方我來了解一下然後我會盡快跟委員來做回覆好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.643 --> 00:13.904\n好謝謝主席本席有請劉部長劉部長有請徐委員好勞動部的次長李次長有請一起謝謝\n\n00:34.858 --> 00:57.232\n請教部長還有次長去年也就上個會期我們有辦紀念日及假日的公聽會我不知道那天都是次長來還是部長您有在嗎?我們內政部是一位次長來代表是吳長次嗎?不是那勞動部那一天是誰?\n\n01:00.069 --> 01:26.322\n那也是我們勞工部常識的是常識好OK那沒關係這個但是機關代表都有到嘛這個我們今天討論這個紀念日跟假日當然前面很多委員很多相關議題都討論了那本席想要請教部長還有次長的就是說我們都看到台灣的總工時當然剛剛針對什麼勞工還我七天假這個假設我們先撇開不講\n\n01:27.458 --> 01:52.583\n整個台灣的總工時跟OECD國家這個的總工時差距了多少這個就去年2023已經變前年了去年還沒有出來這是勞動部還有OECD官網的數字你們知道差距多少嗎部長你知道嗎部長不知道那次長你知道嗎\n\n01:56.139 --> 02:11.471\n就是我們平均一年的總工時台灣在2023年供OECD國家的總工時差距多少你直接回答我時間不多你知道嗎OECD各國的連總工時也不一樣平均總工時\n\n02:16.479 --> 02:22.586\n好沒關係那我來講OECD國家它一年就是1742個小時這是平均啊對對對對那台灣是2020嘛2020所以這樣差起來是278個小時\n\n02:31.656 --> 02:41.247\n所以站在這樣的一個立場但是呢OECD平均它人均所得在2023年是46724美元那我們台灣是32442美元所以我想請教劉部長跟我們這個\n\n02:52.115 --> 03:16.532\n李次長那你們是不是認同就是說其實即便勞工應該說我們勞動人口我們如果台灣價多其實對整個的GDP或是影響是不是一個有直接性的就是說不會放假多我們的GDP就弱吧這點你們認同吧\n\n03:19.009 --> 03:42.631\n我們認為各行業的狀況確實不一樣對對對我沒有再跟你進入細節因為各行業有差別嘛那OECD國家他難道沒有各行業嗎也有嘛那我剛剛也聽到就是說部長也回那個劉部長也回答很多委員就是說好那有一些大企業歸大企業但中小企業要照顧我們都認同那但是\n\n03:44.019 --> 04:03.268\n世界各國還有很多先進國家他也都有很多中小企業啊所以我想這個應該不是主要的原因應該是在於剛剛部長你也有講現在要整合嘛對不對我們要整合現在大家有這樣的一個共識包含民調也\n\n04:04.448 --> 04:30.897\n這個有60幾%將近七成的民眾都希望我們應該可以當然剛剛部長講說這個有很多版本加起來有二三十天的假其實我相信大家一定不是希望這樣而是說在現有的基礎上我們是不是可以增加嘛我們可以增加一天兩天三天所以這個部分部長你認同吧雖然你們還在凝聚共識吧\n\n04:32.639 --> 04:48.821\n那個委員你提的版本是五天不是啦不是啦我是說那五天都是大家期望我們民意代表嘛我不是說要放五天啦我們可以漸進式嘛你看先放一天兩天也可以啊\n\n04:49.321 --> 05:14.121\n我想委員的想法非常的好你都還記得每個委員提幾天你們有做表格因為這樣子所以如果說我們的立法院的各個提案的版本能夠針對剛剛委員所提到的不堅持自己要提案的多少天數為主慢慢就會有共識出來但是目前我所聽到的很多人都很堅持自己的部分我想說\n\n05:16.443 --> 05:42.153\n也就是我刚所说的如果说立法院跟行政系统这边有一定共识的话那我们就很快可以去拟定出来未来的方向那我们会按照这样子的方向来去对很好所以我们其实应该就说大家朝向说我们现在的工时比OECD国家这个平均真的多太多了所以我们其实可以\n\n05:42.913 --> 06:12.093\n朝向譬如說增多放一天兩天我們先這樣逐步來推進所以本席馬上看到的就是說民調最高的就是勞動節那勞動節現在勞工已經放假只剩下軍公教那剛剛劉部長也說這個目的事業主管機關那些其實現在就這個執政黨就是我們民進黨所以從行政院到人事行政總署到內政部到勞動部其實你們可以盡快有共識\n\n06:13.273 --> 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