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00:01:41,273\n所以說對於我們這邊來講的話給予勞工正向的一個支持並且來減輕勞工的一個工時條件這是不是應該是我們勞動部努力的方向是我們勞動部一貫是希望這樣好那請教一下勞動部今天我們針對我們的這個提案裡面勞動部你們的立場是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:42,839 --> 00:02:02,171\n針對個別委員的一個版本裡面你們針對於不管是恢復勞工七天假或者是說現在勞工一年國定假日幾天國定假日剛那個劉部長上午有講你不會勞動部如果是勞工的話12天是12天勞工的話11天對勞動部不要說還有勞工的國定假日還要問內政部好不好\n\n7\n00:02:03,797 --> 00:02:29,935\n要加一天好來那請教一下你們今天的一個報告裡面針對勞工剛剛已經開中名義講啦OECD裡面的國家裡面我們全台台灣是平均人均工時第二高亞洲國家第二高那我們勞動部對於委員提案要幫勞工多爭取一些國定假日的立場你們今天的報告是什麼你們立場是什麼我們認為要通盤檢討各行業的工時狀況營運模式好\n\n8\n00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:51,715\n那減少加班工時我們認為是更重要的途徑那至於國定價的調整這個要通盤檢討通盤檢討這一個今天部長沒有來但是在這個報告出來之前有沒有跟部長討論過當然有當然有嘛那你知道部長之前的態度跟立場是什麼嗎\n\n9\n00:02:52,981 --> 00:03:08,960\n部長在委員的時代可能因為那時候我是去年底才到勞動部服務的去年這不重要啊但是你說你今天報告來的時候你有跟部長討論過啊那部長的立場跟態度是什麼\n\n10\n00:03:10,041 --> 00:03:27,602\n總是他不會濁世驚飛吧不會因為以前他當紅委員的時候他覺得是說要增加價結果現在當紅部長的時候他就覺得說不應該鐵板一塊早上我在一開始部會報告的時候我就有提我們農業部的立場就各行業的營運模式不曉得我現在問的是部長的立場是什麼知不知道\n\n11\n00:03:28,303 --> 00:03:53,886\n你已經你剛先講了你有討論過早上我們報告的內我報告的內容就代表勞工部也代表那個洪部長他都已經看過了是對那但是部長之前的立場來我們看一下來下一張來洪森漢委員在第十屆委員的時候他共同提案希望能夠增加勞工三天的國定假日啊他要增加哪三天知道嗎\n\n12\n00:03:54,929 --> 00:04:19,140\n不知道嘛因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加沒有增加任何一天其實本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過勞動部認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛有討論空間嘛但重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛\n\n13\n00:04:20,465 --> 00:04:40,785\n這沒有矛盾這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們早上部委會有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然\n\n14\n00:04:43,047 --> 00:05:06,204\n對啊好當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來看一下\n\n15\n00:05:07,737 --> 00:05:25,577\n紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天\n\n16\n00:05:26,923 --> 00:05:47,752\n他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加六天到從十二天變成十八天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等六天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大\n\n17\n00:05:53,370 --> 00:06:09,082\n國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益\n\n18\n00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:33,280\n結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中秘議講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法做得到的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天\n\n19\n00:06:35,538 --> 00:06:49,049\n黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來部長是學姐啦學姐所以\n\n20\n00:06:53,069 --> 00:07:15,625\n不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢\n\n21\n00:07:18,288 --> 00:07:46,180\n那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部還有內部一起討論因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識\n\n22\n00:07:46,800 --> 00:08:05,029\n因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題我可是在五一勞動節全國一致這個意思但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題是那本身跟你討論的是全國一致的問題啊是所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是\n\n23\n00:08:16,701 --> 00:08:37,379\n部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾\n\n24\n00:08:38,160 --> 00:09:06,321\n那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢\n\n25\n00:09:06,621 --> 00:09:17,600\n各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看\n\n26\n00:09:18,362 --> 00:09:44,722\n我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總署跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案\n\n27\n00:09:46,168 --> 00:10:10,461\n劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就我連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:21,535\n那時候的提案是可討論但是因為沒有過所以藉其不續審可討論但是你的立場是這樣嗎藉其不續審你的立場是這樣嗎是的好謝謝好謝謝洪峰凱委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6360\t10445\t好 主席謝謝 麻煩請劉世芳部長跟我們勞動部次長劉部長 理事長有請\n15059\t37529\t本席今天早上提案說明其實也開宗明義講得非常清楚我相信您一定都有聽到我想在針對今天召委所排定的這個不管是國定假日相關的一個修法其實我們要的是兩個部分第一法制化我們的一個修法第二我們也希望是能夠來符合國情以及符合照顧全體同仁的一個\n38549\t55354\t誠意來努力那您剛也提到很多的委員的這個答詢裡面就行政部門跟立法部門這邊要取得共識嘛 對不對是的好 共識非常重要所以我相信共識絕對不是說是鐵板一塊或是說絕對不是說著是而今非這一點你認同吧\n57912\t79535\t當然啊認同嗎好來我先請教剛剛有提到是說勞動部這邊有揭露的這個全國際工時比較裡面OECD的這個比較勞動部次長您有提到你們這邊有列出來是說全國主要國家裡面我們台灣的人均工時是第五高亞洲主要國家第二高僅次於新加坡對吧\n81097\t101273\t所以說對於我們這邊來講的話給予勞工正向的一個支持並且來減輕勞工的一個工時條件這是不是應該是我們勞動部努力的方向是 我們勞動部一貫是希望這樣好 那請教一下勞動部今天我們針對我們的這個提案裡面勞動部你們的立場是什麼\n102839\t122171\t針對個別委員的一個版本裡面你們針對於不管是恢復勞工七天假或者是說現在勞工一年國定假日幾天國定假日剛那個劉部長上午有講你不會勞動部如果是勞工的話12天是12天勞工的話11天對勞動部不要說還有勞工的國定假日還要問內政部好不好\n123797\t149935\t要加一天好來那請教一下你們今天的一個報告裡面針對勞工剛剛已經開中名義講啦OECD裡面的國家裡面我們全台台灣是平均人均工時第二高亞洲國家第二高那我們勞動部對於委員提案要幫勞工多爭取一些國定假日的立場你們今天的報告是什麼你們立場是什麼我們認為要通盤檢討各行業的工時狀況營運模式好\n153510\t171715\t那減少加班工時我們認為是更重要的途徑那至於國定價的調整這個要通盤檢討通盤檢討這一個今天部長沒有來但是在這個報告出來之前有沒有跟部長討論過當然有當然有嘛那你知道部長之前的態度跟立場是什麼嗎\n172981\t188960\t部長在委員的時代可能因為那時候我是去年底才到勞動部服務的去年這不重要啊但是你說你今天報告來的時候你有跟部長討論過啊那部長的立場跟態度是什麼\n190041\t207602\t總是他不會濁世驚飛吧不會因為以前他當紅委員的時候他覺得是說要增加價結果現在當紅部長的時候他就覺得說不應該鐵板一塊早上我在一開始部會報告的時候我就有提我們農業部的立場就各行業的營運模式不曉得我現在問的是部長的立場是什麼知不知道\n208303\t233886\t你已經 你剛先講了 你有討論過早上我們報告的內 我報告的內容就代表勞工部也代表那個洪部長他都已經看過了是 對那但是部長之前的立場 來我們看一下來 下一張來洪森漢委員在第十屆委員的時候他共同提案希望能夠增加勞工三天的國定假日啊他要增加哪三天 知道嗎\n234929\t259140\t不知道嘛 因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加 沒有增加任何一天其實本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過 勞動部認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛 有討論空間嘛 但重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛\n260465\t280785\t這沒有矛盾這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們早上部委會有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然\n283047\t306204\t對啊 好 當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和 理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來 看一下\n307737\t325577\t紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天\n326923\t347752\t他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加六天到從十二天變成十八天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等六天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大\n353370\t369082\t國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了 碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益\n370370\t393280\t結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中秘議講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法做得到的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天\n395538\t409049\t黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來 部長是學姐啦學姐所以\n413069\t435625\t不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢\n438288\t466180\t那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部還有內部一起討論因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識\n466800\t485029\t因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題我可是在五一勞動節全國一致這個意思但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題是那本身跟你討論的是全國一致的問題啊是所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是\n496701\t517379\t部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾\n518160\t546321\t那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢\n546621\t557600\t各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看\n558362\t584722\t我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總署跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案\n586168\t610461\t劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就我連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝\n611001\t621535\t那時候的提案是可討論但是因為沒有過所以藉其不續審可討論但是你的立場是這樣嗎藉其不續審你的立場是這樣嗎是的好 謝謝好 謝謝洪峰凱委員\n","txt":"好 主席謝謝 麻煩請劉世芳部長跟我們勞動部次長劉部長 理事長有請\n本席今天早上提案說明其實也開宗明義講得非常清楚我相信您一定都有聽到我想在針對今天召委所排定的這個不管是國定假日相關的一個修法其實我們要的是兩個部分第一法制化我們的一個修法第二我們也希望是能夠來符合國情以及符合照顧全體同仁的一個\n誠意來努力那您剛也提到很多的委員的這個答詢裡面就行政部門跟立法部門這邊要取得共識嘛 對不對是的好 共識非常重要所以我相信共識絕對不是說是鐵板一塊或是說絕對不是說著是而今非這一點你認同吧\n當然啊認同嗎好來我先請教剛剛有提到是說勞動部這邊有揭露的這個全國際工時比較裡面OECD的這個比較勞動部次長您有提到你們這邊有列出來是說全國主要國家裡面我們台灣的人均工時是第五高亞洲主要國家第二高僅次於新加坡對吧\n所以說對於我們這邊來講的話給予勞工正向的一個支持並且來減輕勞工的一個工時條件這是不是應該是我們勞動部努力的方向是 我們勞動部一貫是希望這樣好 那請教一下勞動部今天我們針對我們的這個提案裡面勞動部你們的立場是什麼\n針對個別委員的一個版本裡面你們針對於不管是恢復勞工七天假或者是說現在勞工一年國定假日幾天國定假日剛那個劉部長上午有講你不會勞動部如果是勞工的話12天是12天勞工的話11天對勞動部不要說還有勞工的國定假日還要問內政部好不好\n要加一天好來那請教一下你們今天的一個報告裡面針對勞工剛剛已經開中名義講啦OECD裡面的國家裡面我們全台台灣是平均人均工時第二高亞洲國家第二高那我們勞動部對於委員提案要幫勞工多爭取一些國定假日的立場你們今天的報告是什麼你們立場是什麼我們認為要通盤檢討各行業的工時狀況營運模式好\n那減少加班工時我們認為是更重要的途徑那至於國定價的調整這個要通盤檢討通盤檢討這一個今天部長沒有來但是在這個報告出來之前有沒有跟部長討論過當然有當然有嘛那你知道部長之前的態度跟立場是什麼嗎\n部長在委員的時代可能因為那時候我是去年底才到勞動部服務的去年這不重要啊但是你說你今天報告來的時候你有跟部長討論過啊那部長的立場跟態度是什麼\n總是他不會濁世驚飛吧不會因為以前他當紅委員的時候他覺得是說要增加價結果現在當紅部長的時候他就覺得說不應該鐵板一塊早上我在一開始部會報告的時候我就有提我們農業部的立場就各行業的營運模式不曉得我現在問的是部長的立場是什麼知不知道\n你已經 你剛先講了 你有討論過早上我們報告的內 我報告的內容就代表勞工部也代表那個洪部長他都已經看過了是 對那但是部長之前的立場 來我們看一下來 下一張來洪森漢委員在第十屆委員的時候他共同提案希望能夠增加勞工三天的國定假日啊他要增加哪三天 知道嗎\n不知道嘛 因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加 沒有增加任何一天其實本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過 勞動部認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛 有討論空間嘛 但重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛\n這沒有矛盾這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們早上部委會有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然\n對啊 好 當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和 理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來 看一下\n紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天\n他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加六天到從十二天變成十八天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等六天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大\n國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了 碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益\n結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中秘議講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法做得到的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天\n黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來 部長是學姐啦學姐所以\n不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢\n那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部還有內部一起討論因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識\n因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題我可是在五一勞動節全國一致這個意思但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題是那本身跟你討論的是全國一致的問題啊是所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是\n部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾\n那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢\n各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看\n我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總署跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案\n劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就我連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝\n那時候的提案是可討論但是因為沒有過所以藉其不續審可討論但是你的立場是這樣嗎藉其不續審你的立場是這樣嗎是的好 謝謝好 謝謝洪峰凱委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.360 --> 00:10.445\n好主席謝謝麻煩請劉世芳部長跟我們勞動部次長劉部長理事長有請\n\n00:15.059 --> 00:37.529\n本席今天早上提案說明其實也開宗明義講得非常清楚我相信您一定都有聽到我想在針對今天召委所排定的這個不管是國定假日相關的一個修法其實我們要的是兩個部分第一法制化我們的一個修法第二我們也希望是能夠來符合國情以及符合照顧全體同仁的一個\n\n00:38.549 --> 00:55.354\n誠意來努力那您剛也提到很多的委員的這個答詢裡面就行政部門跟立法部門這邊要取得共識嘛對不對是的好共識非常重要所以我相信共識絕對不是說是鐵板一塊或是說絕對不是說著是而今非這一點你認同吧\n\n00:57.912 --> 01:19.535\n當然啊認同嗎好來我先請教剛剛有提到是說勞動部這邊有揭露的這個全國際工時比較裡面OECD的這個比較勞動部次長您有提到你們這邊有列出來是說全國主要國家裡面我們台灣的人均工時是第五高亞洲主要國家第二高僅次於新加坡對吧\n\n01:21.097 --> 01:41.273\n所以說對於我們這邊來講的話給予勞工正向的一個支持並且來減輕勞工的一個工時條件這是不是應該是我們勞動部努力的方向是我們勞動部一貫是希望這樣好那請教一下勞動部今天我們針對我們的這個提案裡面勞動部你們的立場是什麼\n\n01:42.839 --> 02:02.171\n針對個別委員的一個版本裡面你們針對於不管是恢復勞工七天假或者是說現在勞工一年國定假日幾天國定假日剛那個劉部長上午有講你不會勞動部如果是勞工的話12天是12天勞工的話11天對勞動部不要說還有勞工的國定假日還要問內政部好不好\n\n02:03.797 --> 02:29.935\n要加一天好來那請教一下你們今天的一個報告裡面針對勞工剛剛已經開中名義講啦OECD裡面的國家裡面我們全台台灣是平均人均工時第二高亞洲國家第二高那我們勞動部對於委員提案要幫勞工多爭取一些國定假日的立場你們今天的報告是什麼你們立場是什麼我們認為要通盤檢討各行業的工時狀況營運模式好\n\n02:33.510 --> 02:51.715\n那減少加班工時我們認為是更重要的途徑那至於國定價的調整這個要通盤檢討通盤檢討這一個今天部長沒有來但是在這個報告出來之前有沒有跟部長討論過當然有當然有嘛那你知道部長之前的態度跟立場是什麼嗎\n\n02:52.981 --> 03:08.960\n部長在委員的時代可能因為那時候我是去年底才到勞動部服務的去年這不重要啊但是你說你今天報告來的時候你有跟部長討論過啊那部長的立場跟態度是什麼\n\n03:10.041 --> 03:27.602\n總是他不會濁世驚飛吧不會因為以前他當紅委員的時候他覺得是說要增加價結果現在當紅部長的時候他就覺得說不應該鐵板一塊早上我在一開始部會報告的時候我就有提我們農業部的立場就各行業的營運模式不曉得我現在問的是部長的立場是什麼知不知道\n\n03:28.303 --> 03:53.886\n你已經你剛先講了你有討論過早上我們報告的內我報告的內容就代表勞工部也代表那個洪部長他都已經看過了是對那但是部長之前的立場來我們看一下來下一張來洪森漢委員在第十屆委員的時候他共同提案希望能夠增加勞工三天的國定假日啊他要增加哪三天知道嗎\n\n03:54.929 --> 04:19.140\n不知道嘛因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加沒有增加任何一天其實本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過勞動部認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛有討論空間嘛但重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛\n\n04:20.465 --> 04:40.785\n這沒有矛盾這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們早上部委會有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然\n\n04:43.047 --> 05:06.204\n對啊好當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來看一下\n\n05:07.737 --> 05:25.577\n紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天\n\n05:26.923 --> 05:47.752\n他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加六天到從十二天變成十八天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等六天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大\n\n05:53.370 --> 06:09.082\n國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益\n\n06:10.370 --> 06:33.280\n結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中秘議講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法做得到的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天\n\n06:35.538 --> 06:49.049\n黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來部長是學姐啦學姐所以\n\n06:53.069 --> 07:15.625\n不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢\n\n07:18.288 --> 07:46.180\n那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部還有內部一起討論因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識\n\n07:46.800 --> 08:05.029\n因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題我可是在五一勞動節全國一致這個意思但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題是那本身跟你討論的是全國一致的問題啊是所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是\n\n08:16.701 --> 08:37.379\n部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾\n\n08:38.160 --> 09:06.321\n那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢\n\n09:06.621 --> 09:17.600\n各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看\n\n09:18.362 --> 09:44.722\n我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總署跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案\n\n09:46.168 --> 10:10.461\n劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就我連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝\n\n10:11.001 --> 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因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加 沒有增加任何一天其實本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過 勞動部認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛 有討論空間嘛 但重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛"},{"start":260.465,"end":280.785,"text":"這沒有矛盾這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們早上部委會有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然"},{"start":283.047,"end":306.204,"text":"對啊 好 當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和 理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來 看一下"},{"start":307.737,"end":325.577,"text":"紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天"},{"start":326.923,"end":347.752,"text":"他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加六天到從十二天變成十八天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等六天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大"},{"start":353.37,"end":369.082,"text":"國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了 碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益"},{"start":370.37,"end":393.28,"text":"結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中秘議講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法做得到的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天"},{"start":395.538,"end":409.049,"text":"黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來 部長是學姐啦學姐所以"},{"start":413.069,"end":435.625,"text":"不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢"},{"start":438.288,"end":466.18,"text":"那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部還有內部一起討論因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識"},{"start":466.8,"end":485.029,"text":"因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題我可是在五一勞動節全國一致這個意思但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題是那本身跟你討論的是全國一致的問題啊是所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是"},{"start":496.701,"end":517.379,"text":"部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾"},{"start":518.16,"end":546.321,"text":"那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢"},{"start":546.621,"end":557.6,"text":"各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看"},{"start":558.362,"end":584.722,"text":"我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總署跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案"},{"start":586.168,"end":610.461,"text":"劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就我連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝"},{"start":611.001,"end":621.535,"text":"那時候的提案是可討論但是因為沒有過所以藉其不續審可討論但是你的立場是這樣嗎藉其不續審你的立場是這樣嗎是的好 謝謝好 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