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00:02:46,925\n所以100萬元所以這個部分勞工不知道其實也很多的老闆不知道所以整個感覺上就是整個社會還有部會的一個溝通是很不足的那我就想要請教一下就是部長如果我們的春節只放一天假您會不會返鄉\n\n9\n00:02:51,912 --> 00:03:07,521\n春節只放一天假我會不會返鄉事實上就不存在啊因為農曆除夕也放假所以事實上不存在我不回答如果的問題那如果說清明掃墓節放一天你會不會回去\n\n10\n00:03:09,668 --> 00:03:24,850\n請問要回去哪裡我就住在這裡老家呢老家對我來講移動都不是困難那如果是要清明掃墓的話我們會擇期只要家人同意就可以了所以比較不會是因為那如果是中秋節呢\n\n11\n00:03:28,371 --> 00:03:50,391\n報告委員我想我們以前擔任民意代表都知道放假日越多只是讓民意代表越累而已跟哪一天放假其實沒有太大的差別現在我要講的就是政府一直以來這些年特別我們從陳水扁政府以來我們制定了很多關於原住民族的權益\n\n12\n00:03:51,152 --> 00:04:10,930\n不論是在語言的復振、文化的復振我們打的口號就是說過去政府剝奪拿走的尤其是民進黨政府我們非常的鼓勵要重新做語言文化的復振但是我剛剛有講您剛剛講的應該是說民進黨政府並沒有剝奪也沒有拿走那是過去國民黨政府\n\n13\n00:04:15,013 --> 00:04:31,959\n党政时期的时候对但是在民进党政府时期我们可以看到包括很多我们的原住民身份法等等原籍法等等都得到很多权益跟转型正义的回复现在我就是要讲\n\n14\n00:04:32,859 --> 00:05:00,094\n以我們原住民族散落在山巔水崖像蘭嶼我們現在都知道原住民族尤其是內政部的人口統計超過50%都已經移居到渡惠地區所以呢當要去做這種所謂的文化復政的時候很辛苦像蘭嶼的達物族人他有祭典政府告訴他可以放一天假\n\n15\n00:05:00,894 --> 00:05:15,130\n但是他要花很多的時間跟交通工具要回到他的家鄉去放這個假我們可以講他根本沒有辦法我剛剛談的是雇主有很多的刁難現在我講的是時間上有很多的困難\n\n16\n00:05:19,935 --> 00:05:39,217\n那像這樣的一個狀況就會造成說他還需要返鄉嗎他還要去過他的碎死記憶嗎所以我常常說觀念決定一切也許我們的全民原教我們的社會溝通還不足像很多人放假碎死記憶以排灣族的五年紀來講Malva\n\n17\n00:05:40,859 --> 00:05:57,247\n他其實前前後後需要15天那以阿賴族一律信他也是要從前一個月就要集合訓練學習技能才有辦法參加他們所謂的一個豐年祭一律信\n\n18\n00:05:57,967 --> 00:06:20,686\n那這個部分其實我們也不過只放一天所以呢對很多人來講他的交通時間成本他很難放假第二個他的雇主也很難給假因為不理解有那麼重要嗎你有需要嗎所以我很高興的是說我們有看到全民原教的一環就是有一個叫做多元文化假\n\n19\n00:06:21,626 --> 00:06:24,870\n現在有一些大學像是台大政大他們呢像台大每學期可以請兩天那像這個政大的話它是每學年可以請兩天但是這是大學自治不是每個大學都會有這樣的一個規定\n\n20\n00:06:40,945 --> 00:07:04,401\n所以呢我們總希望說政府總是要有個規念像我們現在的這個紀念日及節日的實施辦法它就是一個規念那我想要請教部長的就是說我不是問同意你是否認同像這種原住民的碎石記憶架可以增加到三天這是大多數原住民族人的呼求\n\n21\n00:07:05,562 --> 00:07:31,693\n報告委員我想你講的放假的部分齁如果用這樣的方式是治標不治本在內政部所主導的裡面原住民族的遂時寄宜他本來就可以放假但是你告訴我說因為他交通的關係因為他沒有辦法回去的關係所以增加變成三天那增加三天的勞動成本有沒有社會共識就是跟我們今天所討論的一樣有沒有社會共識所以我所以\n\n22\n00:07:33,194 --> 00:07:53,790\n同時的問題的話就要回歸到原來的每個部會裡面在討論我們這樣的做法對不對部長我現在希望說不要治標不治本我們用標的方式要治本這件事情的話呢包括增加一天那剛剛我聽原民會的主委在提有些部落他們可能做這個\n\n23\n00:07:57,233 --> 00:08:21,853\n長達一個月的這個時間那我們怎麼樣去回覆這個原民的同胞對於遂時祭儀的認同對於我們來講它是一個紀念它是一個尊重原住民族但是原住民族太多不同的族群有不同的遂時祭儀的狀況之下我們也只能夠說放假一天那包括委員所提案的部分的話你提到的你還幫客家人提案\n\n24\n00:08:22,674 --> 00:08:43,388\n有客家人談我的提案我只講說是記憶因為這是我最低微的最低的訴求但是你提到的都只有一天你今天突然提到變成三天那這樣子是不是可以獲得所有的全國的人的認同然後把它放到是個假日裡面我覺得還是要回復到原來內政部所制定的全國的版本那部長我跟您說剛才你提到治標治本的問題現在我們也要提當我們在放這些假的時候\n\n25\n00:08:53,054 --> 00:09:15,705\n我們到底有沒有放到實質上的意義現在顯然是沒有的這個就是我講的政府的美意為德不足當我們在放這些所謂漢人的碎石記憶架的時候但是我們回頭看我們要放原住民的碎石記憶架它既因為社會觀念的溝通不足\n\n26\n00:09:16,525 --> 00:09:23,471\n它有障礙它又因為大家沒有辦法理解原住民今日的處境散落在都會地區返鄉的時間跟交通成本的困難這些種種我都是希望說我們是不是要加強社會溝通\n\n27\n00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:56,779\n第二個就是說要全面盤點國定假日的社會共識而且要特別特別提醒要注意元旱節日權益的不平等這個就是我最後的訴求也就是剛才部長您所提到的那些這也正是我覺得在社會溝通部分我們其實還有很大的一段路要走那我希望\n\n28\n00:09:57,339 --> 00:10:16,956\n內政部在這個部分能夠跟我們的其他的部會相關的部會包括原民會包括行政院人事總署包括我們的勞動部等等等然後能夠盡力的來去做好全面的社會溝通那我們很希望全民原教的這一天能夠快快的到來這樣可以嗎部長尊重委員\n\n29\n00:10:22,787 --> 00:10:26,232\n那我們就要盡力的來往這個方向走好謝謝部長好謝謝主席好謝謝吳立華委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9509\t10935\t謝謝主席 有請劉部長劉部長有請\n21951\t39177\t部長好現行的紀念日及節日實施辦法裡面在第4條這麼寫著就是這些民俗節日除了春節放假三日之外其餘均放假一日那我們可以看到像春節\n40297\t57493\t民族扫墓节端午节中秋节农历除夕这些对原住民来讲都是属于汉人的碎石记忆但是呢在第六条有一个原住民族的碎石记忆特别提到就是圆明会\n58855\t75370\t關於到底要放假哪一天可以參酌各個原住民族的習俗然後公告刊登在政府公報那我今天我特別就是要提到我的訴求那這訴求不是源自於我而是多年來\n76411\t94442\t各地族人不同的一個呼求就是希望說政府呢這個美意為德不足啊希望可以把碎石計一架可以從一天可以增加到三天那為什麼我這樣說因為當時園民會也做了懶人包那發給大家告訴大家說架要怎麼放那他說具備原住民身份的可以從自己或他的配偶\n104528\t128706\t父母呢來擇一日來放假那可是我們遇到的困境就是說請假很難為什麼呢因為我們這個叫做行政命令的規定嘛那麼這個原住民族碎石記憶呢可以放一天可是很多人他們會提到說雇主不給假甚至\n129466\t146115\t我們會不敢請因為雇主會說請假之後就不要再回來所以這個部分勞動部當時也有提就是說不行啊這個雇主如果不給假的話依法可以採取新台幣兩萬至一百元\n147856\t166925\t所以100萬元所以這個部分勞工不知道其實也很多的老闆不知道所以整個感覺上就是整個社會還有部會的一個溝通是很不足的那我就想要請教一下就是部長如果我們的春節只放一天假您會不會返鄉\n171912\t187521\t春節只放一天假我會不會返鄉事實上就不存在啊因為農曆除夕也放假所以事實上不存在我不回答如果的問題那如果說清明掃墓節放一天你會不會回去\n189668\t204850\t請問要回去哪裡我就住在這裡老家呢老家對我來講移動都不是困難那如果是要清明掃墓的話我們會擇期只要家人同意就可以了所以比較不會是因為那如果是中秋節呢\n208371\t230391\t報告委員我想我們以前擔任民意代表都知道放假日越多只是讓民意代表越累而已跟哪一天放假其實沒有太大的差別現在我要講的就是政府一直以來這些年特別我們從陳水扁政府以來我們制定了很多關於原住民族的權益\n231152\t250930\t不論是在語言的復振、文化的復振我們打的口號就是說過去政府剝奪拿走的尤其是民進黨政府我們非常的鼓勵要重新做語言文化的復振但是我剛剛有講您剛剛講的應該是說民進黨政府並沒有剝奪也沒有拿走那是過去國民黨政府\n255013\t271959\t党政时期的时候对但是在民进党政府时期我们可以看到包括很多我们的原住民身份法等等原籍法等等都得到很多权益跟转型正义的回复现在我就是要讲\n272859\t300094\t以我們原住民族散落在山巔水崖像蘭嶼我們現在都知道原住民族尤其是內政部的人口統計超過50%都已經移居到渡惠地區所以呢當要去做這種所謂的文化復政的時候很辛苦像蘭嶼的達物族人他有祭典政府告訴他可以放一天假\n300894\t315130\t但是他要花很多的時間跟交通工具要回到他的家鄉去放這個假我們可以講他根本沒有辦法我剛剛談的是雇主有很多的刁難現在我講的是時間上有很多的困難\n319935\t339217\t那像這樣的一個狀況就會造成說他還需要返鄉嗎他還要去過他的碎死記憶嗎所以我常常說觀念決定一切也許我們的全民原教我們的社會溝通還不足像很多人放假碎死記憶以排灣族的五年紀來講Malva\n340859\t357247\t他其實前前後後需要15天那以阿賴族一律信他也是要從前一個月就要集合訓練學習技能才有辦法參加他們所謂的一個豐年祭一律信\n357967\t380686\t那這個部分其實我們也不過只放一天所以呢對很多人來講他的交通時間成本他很難放假第二個他的雇主也很難給假因為不理解有那麼重要嗎你有需要嗎所以我很高興的是說我們有看到全民原教的一環就是有一個叫做多元文化假\n381626\t384870\t現在有一些大學 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但是這是大學自治不是每個大學都會有這樣的一個規定\n400945\t424401\t所以呢我們總希望說政府總是要有個規念像我們現在的這個紀念日及節日的實施辦法它就是一個規念那我想要請教部長的就是說我不是問同意你是否認同像這種原住民的碎石記憶架可以增加到三天這是大多數原住民族人的呼求\n425562\t451693\t報告委員我想你講的放假的部分齁如果用這樣的方式是治標不治本在內政部所主導的裡面原住民族的遂時寄宜他本來就可以放假但是你告訴我說因為他交通的關係因為他沒有辦法回去的關係所以增加變成三天那增加三天的勞動成本有沒有社會共識就是跟我們今天所討論的一樣有沒有社會共識所以我所以\n453194\t473790\t同時的問題的話就要回歸到原來的每個部會裡面在討論我們這樣的做法對不對部長我現在希望說不要治標不治本我們用標的方式要治本這件事情的話呢包括增加一天那剛剛我聽原民會的主委在提有些部落他們可能做這個\n477233\t501853\t長達一個月的這個時間那我們怎麼樣去回覆這個原民的同胞對於遂時祭儀的認同對於我們來講它是一個紀念它是一個尊重原住民族但是原住民族太多不同的族群有不同的遂時祭儀的狀況之下我們也只能夠說放假一天那包括委員所提案的部分的話你提到的你還幫客家人提案\n502674\t523388\t有客家人談我的提案我只講說是記憶因為這是我最低微的最低的訴求但是你提到的都只有一天你今天突然提到變成三天那這樣子是不是可以獲得所有的全國的人的認同然後把它放到是個假日裡面我覺得還是要回復到原來內政部所制定的全國的版本那部長我跟您說剛才你提到治標治本的問題現在我們也要提當我們在放這些假的時候\n533054\t555705\t我們到底有沒有放到實質上的意義現在顯然是沒有的這個就是我講的政府的美意為德不足當我們在放這些所謂漢人的碎石記憶架的時候但是我們回頭看我們要放原住民的碎石記憶架它既因為社會觀念的溝通不足\n556525\t563471\t它有障礙它又因為大家沒有辦法理解原住民今日的處境散落在都會地區返鄉的時間跟交通成本的困難這些種種我都是希望說我們是不是要加強社會溝通\n574159\t596779\t第二個就是說要全面盤點國定假日的社會共識而且要特別特別提醒要注意元旱節日權益的不平等這個就是我最後的訴求也就是剛才部長您所提到的那些這也正是我覺得在社會溝通部分我們其實還有很大的一段路要走那我希望\n597339\t616956\t內政部在這個部分能夠跟我們的其他的部會 相關的部會包括原民會 包括行政院人事總署包括我們的勞動部等等等然後能夠盡力的來去做好全面的社會溝通那我們很希望全民原教的這一天能夠快快的到來這樣可以嗎 部長尊重委員\n622787\t626232\t那我們就要盡力的來往這個方向走好 謝謝部長好 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立華委員的質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請劉部長劉部長有請\n部長好現行的紀念日及節日實施辦法裡面在第4條這麼寫著就是這些民俗節日除了春節放假三日之外其餘均放假一日那我們可以看到像春節\n民族扫墓节端午节中秋节农历除夕这些对原住民来讲都是属于汉人的碎石记忆但是呢在第六条有一个原住民族的碎石记忆特别提到就是圆明会\n關於到底要放假哪一天可以參酌各個原住民族的習俗然後公告刊登在政府公報那我今天我特別就是要提到我的訴求那這訴求不是源自於我而是多年來\n各地族人不同的一個呼求就是希望說政府呢這個美意為德不足啊希望可以把碎石計一架可以從一天可以增加到三天那為什麼我這樣說因為當時園民會也做了懶人包那發給大家告訴大家說架要怎麼放那他說具備原住民身份的可以從自己或他的配偶\n父母呢來擇一日來放假那可是我們遇到的困境就是說請假很難為什麼呢因為我們這個叫做行政命令的規定嘛那麼這個原住民族碎石記憶呢可以放一天可是很多人他們會提到說雇主不給假甚至\n我們會不敢請因為雇主會說請假之後就不要再回來所以這個部分勞動部當時也有提就是說不行啊這個雇主如果不給假的話依法可以採取新台幣兩萬至一百元\n所以100萬元所以這個部分勞工不知道其實也很多的老闆不知道所以整個感覺上就是整個社會還有部會的一個溝通是很不足的那我就想要請教一下就是部長如果我們的春節只放一天假您會不會返鄉\n春節只放一天假我會不會返鄉事實上就不存在啊因為農曆除夕也放假所以事實上不存在我不回答如果的問題那如果說清明掃墓節放一天你會不會回去\n請問要回去哪裡我就住在這裡老家呢老家對我來講移動都不是困難那如果是要清明掃墓的話我們會擇期只要家人同意就可以了所以比較不會是因為那如果是中秋節呢\n報告委員我想我們以前擔任民意代表都知道放假日越多只是讓民意代表越累而已跟哪一天放假其實沒有太大的差別現在我要講的就是政府一直以來這些年特別我們從陳水扁政府以來我們制定了很多關於原住民族的權益\n不論是在語言的復振、文化的復振我們打的口號就是說過去政府剝奪拿走的尤其是民進黨政府我們非常的鼓勵要重新做語言文化的復振但是我剛剛有講您剛剛講的應該是說民進黨政府並沒有剝奪也沒有拿走那是過去國民黨政府\n党政时期的时候对但是在民进党政府时期我们可以看到包括很多我们的原住民身份法等等原籍法等等都得到很多权益跟转型正义的回复现在我就是要讲\n以我們原住民族散落在山巔水崖像蘭嶼我們現在都知道原住民族尤其是內政部的人口統計超過50%都已經移居到渡惠地區所以呢當要去做這種所謂的文化復政的時候很辛苦像蘭嶼的達物族人他有祭典政府告訴他可以放一天假\n但是他要花很多的時間跟交通工具要回到他的家鄉去放這個假我們可以講他根本沒有辦法我剛剛談的是雇主有很多的刁難現在我講的是時間上有很多的困難\n那像這樣的一個狀況就會造成說他還需要返鄉嗎他還要去過他的碎死記憶嗎所以我常常說觀念決定一切也許我們的全民原教我們的社會溝通還不足像很多人放假碎死記憶以排灣族的五年紀來講Malva\n他其實前前後後需要15天那以阿賴族一律信他也是要從前一個月就要集合訓練學習技能才有辦法參加他們所謂的一個豐年祭一律信\n那這個部分其實我們也不過只放一天所以呢對很多人來講他的交通時間成本他很難放假第二個他的雇主也很難給假因為不理解有那麼重要嗎你有需要嗎所以我很高興的是說我們有看到全民原教的一環就是有一個叫做多元文化假\n現在有一些大學 像是台大 政大 他們呢 像台大每學期可以請兩天那像這個政大的話 它是每學年可以請兩天 但是這是大學自治不是每個大學都會有這樣的一個規定\n所以呢我們總希望說政府總是要有個規念像我們現在的這個紀念日及節日的實施辦法它就是一個規念那我想要請教部長的就是說我不是問同意你是否認同像這種原住民的碎石記憶架可以增加到三天這是大多數原住民族人的呼求\n報告委員我想你講的放假的部分齁如果用這樣的方式是治標不治本在內政部所主導的裡面原住民族的遂時寄宜他本來就可以放假但是你告訴我說因為他交通的關係因為他沒有辦法回去的關係所以增加變成三天那增加三天的勞動成本有沒有社會共識就是跟我們今天所討論的一樣有沒有社會共識所以我所以\n同時的問題的話就要回歸到原來的每個部會裡面在討論我們這樣的做法對不對部長我現在希望說不要治標不治本我們用標的方式要治本這件事情的話呢包括增加一天那剛剛我聽原民會的主委在提有些部落他們可能做這個\n長達一個月的這個時間那我們怎麼樣去回覆這個原民的同胞對於遂時祭儀的認同對於我們來講它是一個紀念它是一個尊重原住民族但是原住民族太多不同的族群有不同的遂時祭儀的狀況之下我們也只能夠說放假一天那包括委員所提案的部分的話你提到的你還幫客家人提案\n有客家人談我的提案我只講說是記憶因為這是我最低微的最低的訴求但是你提到的都只有一天你今天突然提到變成三天那這樣子是不是可以獲得所有的全國的人的認同然後把它放到是個假日裡面我覺得還是要回復到原來內政部所制定的全國的版本那部長我跟您說剛才你提到治標治本的問題現在我們也要提當我們在放這些假的時候\n我們到底有沒有放到實質上的意義現在顯然是沒有的這個就是我講的政府的美意為德不足當我們在放這些所謂漢人的碎石記憶架的時候但是我們回頭看我們要放原住民的碎石記憶架它既因為社會觀念的溝通不足\n它有障礙它又因為大家沒有辦法理解原住民今日的處境散落在都會地區返鄉的時間跟交通成本的困難這些種種我都是希望說我們是不是要加強社會溝通\n第二個就是說要全面盤點國定假日的社會共識而且要特別特別提醒要注意元旱節日權益的不平等這個就是我最後的訴求也就是剛才部長您所提到的那些這也正是我覺得在社會溝通部分我們其實還有很大的一段路要走那我希望\n內政部在這個部分能夠跟我們的其他的部會 相關的部會包括原民會 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Tahovecahe委員：但是在民進黨政府時期，我們可以看到包括很多我們的原住民身分法、原基法等等，都得到很多權益跟轉型正義的回復。現在我就是要講，以我們原住民族散落在山巔、水涯，像蘭嶼，我們都知道現在原住民族，尤其是內政部的人口統計，超過50%都已經移居到都會地區，所以當要去做這種所謂文化復振的時候很辛苦，像蘭嶼的達悟族人，他有祭典，政府告訴他可以放一天假，但是他要花很多的時間跟交通工具，要回到他的家鄉去放這個假，我們可以講，他根本沒有辦法，我剛剛談的是雇主有很多的刁難，現在我講的是時間上有很多的困難，像這樣的一個狀況就會造成他還需要返鄉嗎？他還要去過他的歲時祭儀嗎？所以我常常說觀念決定一切，也許我們的全民原教、我們的社會溝通還不足，像很多人放假，歲時祭儀，以排灣族的五年祭（Maljeveq）來講，他其實前前後後需要15天。以阿美族的Ilisin為例，他也是要從前一個月就要集合、訓練、學習技能，才有辦法參加他們所謂的一個豐年祭（Ilisin），這個部分其實我們也不過只放一天，所以對很多人來講，他的交通時間成本，他很難放假。第二個，他的雇主也很難給假，因為不理解有那麼重要嗎？你有需要嗎？所以我很高興的是說我們有看到，全民原教的一環就是有一個叫做多元文化假，現在有一些大學，像是臺大、政大，他們呢，像臺大每學期可以請兩天，政大的話，他是每學年可以請兩天，但是這是大學自治，不是每個大學都會有這樣的一個規定，所以我們總希望說，政府總是要有個圭臬，像我們現在的紀念日及節日實施辦法，它就是一個圭臬，那我想要請教部長就是，我不是問同意，你是否認同像這種原住民的歲時祭儀假可以增加到三天？這是大多數原住民族人的呼求。"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我想你講了放假的部分，如果用這樣的方式是治標不治本，在內政部所主導的裡面，原住民族的歲時祭儀，他本來就可以放假，但是你告訴我說，因為他交通的關係，因為他沒有辦法回去的關係，所以要增加變成三天，那增加三天的勞動成本，有沒有社會共識？就是跟我們今天所討論的一樣，有沒有社會共識，所以裡面如果有提到工時問題的話，就要回歸到原來的每個部會裡面在討論我們這樣的作法對不對，現在我不希望說……"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：那就要盡力往這個方向走喔！謝謝部長、謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員的質詢。","下一位請鄭天財委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":472,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-3","speakers":["牛煦庭","洪孟楷","張智倫","陳玉珍","賴士葆","高金素梅","翁曉玲","林倩綺","麥玉珍","蘇巧慧","張宏陸","李柏毅","王美惠","黃捷","黃建賓","許宇甄","吳琪銘","丁學忠","徐欣瑩","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","李彥秀","李坤城","葉元之","陳瑩"],"page_start":317,"meetingDate":["2025-03-17"],"gazette_id":"1142701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1142701_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；二、審查委員高金素梅等18人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條\n例草案」案；四、審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法\n草案」案；五、審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；六、審查委員陳\n玉珍等16 人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案；七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；八、審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等18人擬具「國家紀念日及\n節日實施法草案」案；九、審查委員王鴻薇等19 人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；\n十、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人\n擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十二、審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施\n條例草案」案；十三、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十四、審\n查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十五、審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具\n「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案；十六、審查委員許智傑等30人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實\n施條例草案」案；十七、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十八、\n審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案；十九、審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬\n具「國定假日法草案」案；二十、審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案\n【僅詢答及宣讀條文】","agenda_id":"1142701_00007"}}}