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00:02:35,943\n我們其實跟很多專家學者也討論過我們也看了非常多的資料我想我有七個訴求非常非常的具體但他可能在很多政策上包含還有跟縣市政府的對接跟討論他都需要環境部衛福部教育部未來一起努力合作這邊第一個是空瓶的法規還有兒少法規的對接怎麼說呢目前跟部長說環境部空瓶的法規沒有落實到校園\n\n8\n00:02:36,983 --> 00:02:54,302\n甚至在未服務的兒少法裡面的法規也沒有環境部的角色也就是它確實有跨部會工作的困難部長我們時間有限啦你不用急著看資料因為我發現喔如果要把我們今天講這七個做完絕對不是一天兩天也絕對不是一年兩年\n\n9\n00:02:55,203 --> 00:03:18,172\n他需要日积月累所以我觉得今天我只是想要借由这个议题日后开启跟环境部在儿少空品上的讨论跟实际的推动第二个我们希望可以加强校园空品的法规跟执法目前呢室内空品法要求校园要做空品检测可是在相关执法公布的场所里面却不含校园\n\n10\n00:03:19,241 --> 00:03:27,146\n好再來第三我們希望可以加強有害空氣污染物的檢測跟稽查原本預計要納管72種可是公告的時候只剩22種我們認為應該要滾動檢討相關的加強監測還有稽查第四個我們希望可以加強HPS資訊公開跟易讀性我知道環境部目前有所謂的空品監測年報可是所謂的有害空氣污染物卻沒有相關的報告\n\n11\n00:03:44,797 --> 00:04:09,495\n另外我們雖然有特殊性工業區有監測相關數值但有公開上網可是不易讀也不及時我目前都談到的是跟校園而上有關都還沒有牽扯到其他產業的問題第五個校園跟工業區周遭化射空氣品質維護區這個其實我們應該有能力比較快可以做到第六個我們希望可以針對敏感跟弱勢族群提出有害空污之健康風險評估報告\n\n12\n00:04:11,016 --> 00:04:30,022\n那關於這件事情要如何針對兒少老人慢性病這些脆弱敏感族群目前只有NGO跟很多學者在做我相信環境部應該可以有角色那當然也包含衛福部接下來最後一個環境正義地圖我們希望可以了解多重污染的交織性目前環境部的相關資料是把水\n\n13\n00:04:31,102 --> 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