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00:01:58,860\n都不放假維持現狀還是說我們要放一天兩天三天這是另外一個議題但是我們自己的職權命令背後我們法院的基礎我們站的到底夠不夠穩這個是我今天主要要跟\n\n7\n00:01:59,580 --> 00:02:15,825\n部長討論就是說你同不同意就是說在機關在如果具有專業性具有時效性在這個功能在機關的功能的理論當中其實行政機關的權限相對是重要的\n\n8\n00:02:16,485 --> 00:02:45,407\n但是屬於放假我講像像放假這些譬如說教師姐要不要放假啦譬如說行縣要不要放假啦我們中秋節現在有放這個是屬於比較多元性的那也有一點價值的一些想法在裡頭所以這些事情應該在我看來應該屬於比較多是立法機關的權限就是說我們到底教師姐要不要放假我們中秋節現在有放我們端午節要不要放假\n\n9\n00:02:46,347 --> 00:02:55,797\n這幾件事情它是屬於比較多元的在我看來我覺得應該有更多民意的討論應該有更多民意的背景來去支撐我們所以我才會覺得說這件事情應該要有更多廣泛的民意基礎所以\n\n10\n00:03:04,905 --> 00:03:28,766\n內政部在決定這件事情的時候過去在決定這件事情的時候我覺得我們的職權命令變成是擴權或者我應該是說我們法院的背景其實我們的利潤點是不足的這個是我今天我要跟部長您探討第一個問題就即便我們後面要怎麼做都不放放一天放兩天放三天放七天我覺得\n\n11\n00:03:29,787 --> 00:03:48,756\n只有行政機關來做這件事情我們法院依據是不足的這是第一點我要跟您溝通的第二點就是說台灣向來是過勞之島我們在OECD國家今天很多委員都提過了我們的總工時雖然近幾年我們看起來好像有想辦法降工時啦等等但是我們在2020\n\n12\n00:03:50,918 --> 00:04:10,173\n我們在2023年的時候我們的工時其實還比2022年多了15個小時在OECD國家當中其實我們的過勞也排名第五那我們跟鄰近的亞洲國家相比我們的工時僅次於新加坡、日本跟韓國今天早上看到很多委員已經把大表都拉出來各個狀況\n\n13\n00:04:11,494 --> 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我請部長部長有請\n謝謝部長你辛苦了因為今天這個議題其實我最近在地方上溝通其實好多人都很關心所以今天我要就兩個層面來去討論這個議題一個是立法的必要性跟放假的必要性我們現在規範節日的放假是透過紀念日跟節日的實施法來去做規範\n規範的範圍其實非常的廣也影響了民眾的權益那我們現在用職權命令決定放假對不對我講這句話對不對就你們現在內政部是用職權命令來決定放假我們只是提供實施辦法但是決定放假是有行政院人士行政總署在沒念力的你後面有沒有法源依據我知道你後面有沒有法源依據\n過去曾經我們希望透過職權命令相關規範來去做討論但是很多學者其實有質疑後來我們希望修法但事實上是沒有通過的就是說我們並不適合擴張職權命令的範圍跟效力\n所以我過去我們應該我們應該再次來檢討加速檢討職權命令的妥適性我今天部長我還沒有要跟你討論說我們哪天放假哪天不要放假我現在是從法源的依據來跟部長您做討論就是說我們來決定這件事情內政部是不是有足夠的權力我們的職權命令到底背後有沒有有沒有法源依據不論接下來我們決定\n都不放假維持現狀還是說我們要放一天兩天三天這是另外一個議題但是我們自己的職權命令背後我們法院的基礎我們站的到底夠不夠穩這個是我今天主要要跟\n部長討論就是說你同不同意就是說在機關在如果具有專業性具有時效性在這個功能在機關的功能的理論當中其實行政機關的權限相對是重要的\n但是屬於放假我講像像放假這些譬如說教師姐要不要放假啦譬如說行縣要不要放假啦我們中秋節現在有放這個是屬於比較多元性的那也有一點價值的一些想法在裡頭所以這些事情應該在我看來應該屬於比較多是立法機關的權限就是說我們到底教師姐要不要放假我們中秋節現在有放我們端午節要不要放假\n這幾件事情它是屬於比較多元的在我看來我覺得應該有更多民意的討論應該有更多民意的背景來去支撐我們所以我才會覺得說這件事情應該要有更多廣泛的民意基礎所以\n內政部在決定這件事情的時候過去在決定這件事情的時候我覺得我們的職權命令變成是擴權或者我應該是說我們法院的背景其實我們的利潤點是不足的這個是我今天我要跟部長您探討第一個問題就即便我們後面要怎麼做都不放放一天放兩天放三天放七天我覺得\n只有行政機關來做這件事情我們法院依據是不足的這是第一點我要跟您溝通的第二點就是說台灣向來是過勞之島我們在OECD國家今天很多委員都提過了我們的總工時雖然近幾年我們看起來好像有想辦法降工時啦等等但是我們在2020\n我們在2023年的時候我們的工時其實還比2022年多了15個小時在OECD國家當中其實我們的過勞也排名第五那我們跟鄰近的亞洲國家相比我們的工時僅次於新加坡、日本跟韓國今天早上看到很多委員已經把大表都拉出來各個狀況\n那臺灣勞工我們雖然你對勞動部也很清楚你過去跟勞工接觸也很多我知道我們的特休假實施使用率是偏低的那我們的特休假用完特休假的比例只有51%那我們去探究為什麼其他49%沒有用掉有一些可能20%他可能想換成抵薪資可以抵扣工資可以拿回一些錢\n另外30%給放假你為什麼不放他用不到不是他用不到 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