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00:01:31,444\n是謝謝部長那因為那個我覺得不管是不是人事行政總署的問題啦但是內政部應該也是要有個態度啦因為我在教育文化委員會的時候前幾天我有質詢教育部那時候我問他們說知不支持教師節放假\n\n5\n00:01:32,105 --> 00:01:59,563\n那教師節放假這個議題在前幾個禮拜有一個教團來立法院開記者會當時藍綠白很多位立委都有出席都一致支持啦那當然支持的原因一方面是大家覺得說台灣應該也是可以多放幾天假第二個可以選定為教師節為目標為什麼因為尊師重道嘛然後讓這個老師們在這一天也可以放假全國都可以因為這樣子放假那我問教育部啊\n\n6\n00:02:00,063 --> 00:02:03,632\n這一部一開始的時候也是推給內政部他說這個是內政部決定的\n\n7\n00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:33,101\n那後來我問那個教育部說那不管是不是內政部決定你教育部的態度是什麼如果說人事警政總署詢問大家教師節該不該放假的時候那教育部你支持嗎後來教育部說他支持所以我現在也是問內政部您的態度就是說如果是人事警政總署來問跟你們這邊問詢問說假設我們現在要增加幾天假或者是把這個假打字化的話我不知道部長你的態度是什麼\n\n8\n00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:48,587\n有關法制化的問題我剛已經回答過葉委員我希望維持現狀是一個實施辦法因為我們認為比較有彈性那第二個有關增加放假哪一個教師節先講還是有關教師節的部分就是我今天在跟很多委員的時候特別提到我們會認為說根據身份別的部分的話來做紀念活動本來就有\n\n9\n00:02:58,092 --> 00:03:12,393\n譬如說有的是婦女有的是青年有的是兒童有的是勞動的但是你如果單單提出來說教師節要讓他慶祝以外還要放假那就會牽涉到每個委員有不同的版本有的委員沒有放進去有的委員放進去\n\n10\n00:03:13,274 --> 00:03:32,225\n就是委員26個版本有33天需要放假這個就變成說社會上的共識是不太足的那我們希望說社會上的共識比較足會比較好這是第二個那第三個有關放假日要不要增加那我們已經跟各位回答過就是說我們的\n\n11\n00:03:33,226 --> 00:03:56,612\n放假日再加上週休二日目前為止大概就是一般人是一百一十五天如果是勞動勞工的話是一百一十六天那你如果要增加一天增加兩天增加三天甚至有人要增加到七天或九天請問你要增加在哪裡那我們的立場是不要用身分別所以不然那我可以這樣解讀嗎就是說其實你是贊成增加假日啊\n\n12\n00:03:56,852 --> 00:04:22,267\n只是說你覺得要放哪一天假可以再需要凝聚共事嗎是這個意思嗎我可不可以用這樣的方式再跟委員解釋一下譬如說外面很多人會覺得說勞動日勞動節要放假但是我們的立場五一勞動節的勞動者本來就放假是沒有勞動者的軍公教要放假也是全國要一起放假所以\n\n13\n00:04:22,927 --> 00:04:39,722\n重點是在於說我們全國要一致放假的話就是全國要有共識我們所謂的共識不是百分之百喔全國要有共識要增加假日那既然全國要有共識要增加假日要增加在哪一天我們就有26個版本的33種不同的假日\n\n14\n00:04:40,862 --> 00:05:02,330\n對所以我剛剛在問嘛因為你一定要慢慢收斂問題嘛不然這兩個問題全部都揪在一起了對因為我剛剛在問說某一個節該不該放的時候你只是提到說沒有共識你好像講到說你也願意增加假日但是呢問到說你知不支持增加假日你又說呢可是要放哪一天呢我們不知道所以我現在就是要我們要收斂問題嘛就是說\n\n15\n00:05:03,610 --> 00:05:21,408\n是不是說其實你也認為說多放幾天假是符合世界潮流只是說現在到底要放哪一天需要社會共識是這個意思嗎還是說你覺得其實以現在的勞工的條件或者是台灣人工時其實沒有增加假期也沒有關係因為沒有影響到他們權益\n\n16\n00:05:22,785 --> 00:05:35,469\n沒有勞動的部分我不幫勞動部回應我想勞動部他們本來就應該增加勞工的權益但是我們現在講的是全國放假日我沒有閃因為我跟你講我們去別的部會問大家都說這個要問是內政部管然後我們來內政委員會問內政部內政部又說是人事行政層主要是負責社會問題所以我們只有接下去\n\n17\n00:05:46,807 --> 00:06:10,236\n對啊可是問題是你的回答我剛剛講過這個是講全國放假日的問題那既然是全國放假日的問題你特別選擇某一種職業身份的話就不適合嗎比較奇怪所以意思是說現在如果說我們立法院的委員大家都可以有共識說挑到一個節日大家都沒問題那內政部也願意支持嘛是這個意思嗎\n\n18\n00:06:10,936 --> 00:06:17,056\n立法院都已經做成決議內政部怎麼敢反對很多立法院決議內政部都反對啊\n\n19\n00:06:18,608 --> 00:06:43,836\n而且很多立法委員提的版本那時候大家都要等院版啦其實大家都是希望說什麼政策是行政機關跟立法院都一致討論過通過啦我現在只問你的意見嘛所以我今天對很多委員都提到說第一個不希望它是政黨之間的爭議而是大家可以坐下來談我們要不要增加這個全國放假日那如果大家都有這樣子的共識\n\n20\n00:06:45,336 --> 00:07:13,963\n不是不要一直講我沒意見我們本來就要尊重如果大家都有這樣共識的話我相信行政院的很多其他的部會因為你不能只有講一個部會負責所有的事情都會按照這樣的方向因為我的瞭解是人事行政總書在每一次做相關決定的時候他都會發回去詢問各部會嘛那有的部會就會表達支持或不支持嘛舉例來講好了像去年上個會期我質詢那時候還沒有還不是新政府的時候潘文忠部長前教育部長潘文忠\n\n21\n00:07:14,463 --> 00:07:33,954\n我問他支不支持勞動節放假因為那時候我們是討論到有的代理老師他雖然是保勞保但是他不適用勞基法所以勞動節他們就變成不放假學校公益有可能適用勞基法放假我就問他說怎麼去解決這個問題他就說人事行政總署已經在調查說支不支持勞動節全國都放假教育部就是支持的\n\n22\n00:07:34,534 --> 00:07:51,495\n所以其實有擔當的首長本來就可以表達你對於這個價值不支持因為你們內部你也是其中一個內閣的閣員嘛你本來就可以有你的態度再來你內政部的立場所以不是說好像我們問你的立場你就是說啊這個就立法院決定我們就OK或者是\n\n23\n00:07:51,955 --> 00:08:04,079\n我怎樣怎樣怎樣其實這個並沒有回答到問題我不是這個意思我的意思是說站在行政跟立法互相尊重的狀況之下我們沒有個人的立場我們會表達機關的立場機關的立場就是全國放假日要能夠出來一個版本\n\n24\n00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:34,548\n而不是針對某一些特定的族群跟身份您剛所提到教師節要不要放假我也提到了我聽到的部分就是說如果教師節要全國一致放假的話首先衝擊到的就是偏鄉教師的這個我剛剛我了解你的意思我只是問說你支持不支持多放假我現在沒講什麼節日嘛我現在說是不是只要大家能夠討論出一個節日出來你也是支持的我現在問題其實是這個\n\n25\n00:08:36,986 --> 00:08:41,897\n你聽得懂我意思嗎還是你不能回答尊重委員好謝謝好謝謝葉元之委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9386\t11848\t我們今天要討論有關於放假的問題因為這個放假問題有幾個層次第一個層次是到底要不要應不應該要放第二個是如果要的話放幾天 第三個是要放\n34989\t58480\t如果可以放的話放什麼假我想問一下部長你現在態度是什麼是說都不能放還是我想我在上次在立法院院會跟院長陪同的時候有特別提到我們是希望維持現狀也就是按照現在我們的一個實施辦法來處理那因為我們有詢問過法務部法務部認為說我們並沒有侵犯到人民限制他的權利\n59821\t73199\t沒有侵犯到限制他的權利事項所以按照現在的辦法按照行政命令來講是可以的那但是公佈每一年的放假日的話是由行政院的人事行政總處他們是依照公務員服務法的相關規定來公佈的\n75041\t91444\t是 謝謝部長那因為那個我覺得不管是不是人事行政總署的問題啦但是內政部應該也是要有個態度啦因為我在教育文化委員會的時候前幾天我有質詢教育部那時候我問他們說知不支持教師節放假\n92105\t119563\t那教師節放假這個議題在前幾個禮拜有一個教團來立法院開記者會當時藍綠白很多位立委都有出席都一致支持啦那當然支持的原因一方面是大家覺得說台灣應該也是可以多放幾天假第二個可以選定為教師節為目標為什麼因為尊師重道嘛然後讓這個老師們在這一天也可以放假全國都可以因為這樣子放假那我問教育部啊\n120063\t123632\t這一部一開始的時候也是推給內政部他說這個是內政部決定的\n125270\t153101\t那後來我問那個教育部說那不管是不是內政部決定你教育部的態度是什麼如果說人事警政總署詢問大家教師節該不該放假的時候那教育部你支持嗎後來教育部說他支持所以我現在也是問內政部您的態度就是說如果是人事警政總署來問跟你們這邊問詢問說假設我們現在要增加幾天假或者是把這個假打字化的話我不知道部長你的態度是什麼\n153780\t168587\t有關法制化的問題我剛已經回答過葉委員我希望維持現狀是一個實施辦法因為我們認為比較有彈性那第二個有關增加放假哪一個教師節先講還是有關教師節的部分就是我今天在跟很多委員的時候特別提到我們會認為說根據身份別的部分的話來做紀念活動本來就有\n178092\t192393\t譬如說有的是婦女 有的是青年有的是兒童 有的是勞動的但是你如果單單提出來說教師節要讓他慶祝以外還要放假那就會牽涉到每個委員有不同的版本有的委員沒有放進去有的委員放進去\n193274\t212225\t就是委員26個版本有33天需要放假這個就變成說社會上的共識是不太足的那我們希望說社會上的共識比較足會比較好這是第二個那第三個有關放假日要不要增加那我們已經跟各位回答過就是說我們的\n213226\t236612\t放假日再加上週休二日目前為止大概就是一般人是一百一十五天如果是勞動勞工的話是一百一十六天那你如果要增加一天增加兩天增加三天甚至有人要增加到七天或九天請問你要增加在哪裡那我們的立場是不要用身分別所以不然那我可以這樣解讀嗎就是說其實你是贊成增加假日啊\n236852\t262267\t只是說你覺得要放哪一天假可以再需要凝聚共事嗎是這個意思嗎我可不可以用這樣的方式再跟委員解釋一下譬如說外面很多人會覺得說勞動日勞動節要放假但是我們的立場五一勞動節的勞動者本來就放假是沒有勞動者的軍公教要放假也是全國要一起放假所以\n262927\t279722\t重點是在於說我們全國要一致放假的話就是全國要有共識我們所謂的共識不是百分之百喔全國要有共識要增加假日那既然全國要有共識要增加假日要增加在哪一天我們就有26個版本的33種不同的假日\n280862\t302330\t對 所以我剛剛在問嘛因為你一定要慢慢收斂問題嘛不然這兩個問題全部都揪在一起了對 因為我剛剛在問說某一個節該不該放的時候你只是提到說沒有共識你好像講到說你也願意增加假日但是呢問到說你知不支持增加假日你又說呢可是要放哪一天呢我們不知道所以我現在就是要我們要收斂問題嘛就是說\n303610\t321408\t是不是說其實你也認為說多放幾天假是符合世界潮流只是說現在到底要放哪一天需要社會共識是這個意思嗎還是說你覺得其實以現在的勞工的條件或者是台灣人工時其實沒有增加假期也沒有關係因為沒有影響到他們權益\n322785\t335469\t沒有 勞動的部分我不幫勞動部回應我想勞動部他們本來就應該增加勞工的權益 但是我們現在講的是全國放假日我沒有閃因為我跟你講我們去別的部會問 大家都說這個要問是內政部管然後我們來內政委員會問內政部 內政部又說是人事行政層主要是負責社會問題 所以我們只有接下去\n346807\t370236\t對啊 可是問題是你的回答我剛剛講過這個是講全國放假日的問題那既然是全國放假日的問題你特別選擇某一種職業身份的話就不適合嗎比較奇怪所以意思是說現在如果說我們立法院的委員大家都可以有共識說挑到一個節日大家都沒問題那內政部也願意支持嘛是這個意思嗎\n370936\t377056\t立法院都已經做成決議內政部怎麼敢反對很多立法院決議內政部都反對啊\n378608\t403836\t而且很多立法委員提的版本那時候大家都要等院版啦其實大家都是希望說什麼政策是行政機關跟立法院都一致討論過通過啦我現在只問你的意見嘛所以我今天對很多委員都提到說第一個不希望它是政黨之間的爭議而是大家可以坐下來談我們要不要增加這個全國放假日那如果大家都有這樣子的共識\n405336\t433963\t不是不要一直講我沒意見我們本來就要尊重如果大家都有這樣共識的話我相信行政院的很多其他的部會因為你不能只有講一個部會負責所有的事情都會按照這樣的方向因為我的瞭解是人事行政總書在每一次做相關決定的時候他都會發回去詢問各部會嘛那有的部會就會表達支持或不支持嘛舉例來講好了像去年上個會期我質詢那時候還沒有還不是新政府的時候潘文忠部長前教育部長潘文忠\n434463\t453954\t我問他支不支持勞動節放假因為那時候我們是討論到有的代理老師他雖然是保勞保但是他不適用勞基法所以勞動節他們就變成不放假學校公益有可能適用勞基法放假我就問他說怎麼去解決這個問題他就說人事行政總署已經在調查說支不支持勞動節全國都放假教育部就是支持的\n454534\t471495\t所以其實有擔當的首長本來就可以表達你對於這個價值不支持因為你們內部你也是其中一個內閣的閣員嘛你本來就可以有你的態度再來你內政部的立場所以不是說好像我們問你的立場你就是說啊這個就立法院決定我們就OK或者是\n471955\t484079\t我怎樣怎樣怎樣其實這個並沒有回答到問題我不是這個意思我的意思是說站在行政跟立法互相尊重的狀況之下我們沒有個人的立場我們會表達機關的立場機關的立場就是全國放假日要能夠出來一個版本\n489680\t514548\t而不是針對某一些特定的族群跟身份您剛所提到教師節要不要放假我也提到了我聽到的部分就是說如果教師節要全國一致放假的話首先衝擊到的就是偏鄉教師的這個我剛剛我了解你的意思我只是問說你支持不支持多放假我現在沒講什麼節日嘛我現在說是不是只要大家能夠討論出一個節日出來你也是支持的我現在問題其實是這個\n516986\t521897\t你聽得懂我意思嗎還是你不能回答尊重委員好謝謝好謝謝葉元之委員\n","txt":"我們今天要討論有關於放假的問題因為這個放假問題有幾個層次第一個層次是到底要不要應不應該要放第二個是如果要的話放幾天 第三個是要放\n如果可以放的話放什麼假我想問一下部長你現在態度是什麼是說都不能放還是我想我在上次在立法院院會跟院長陪同的時候有特別提到我們是希望維持現狀也就是按照現在我們的一個實施辦法來處理那因為我們有詢問過法務部法務部認為說我們並沒有侵犯到人民限制他的權利\n沒有侵犯到限制他的權利事項所以按照現在的辦法按照行政命令來講是可以的那但是公佈每一年的放假日的話是由行政院的人事行政總處他們是依照公務員服務法的相關規定來公佈的\n是 謝謝部長那因為那個我覺得不管是不是人事行政總署的問題啦但是內政部應該也是要有個態度啦因為我在教育文化委員會的時候前幾天我有質詢教育部那時候我問他們說知不支持教師節放假\n那教師節放假這個議題在前幾個禮拜有一個教團來立法院開記者會當時藍綠白很多位立委都有出席都一致支持啦那當然支持的原因一方面是大家覺得說台灣應該也是可以多放幾天假第二個可以選定為教師節為目標為什麼因為尊師重道嘛然後讓這個老師們在這一天也可以放假全國都可以因為這樣子放假那我問教育部啊\n這一部一開始的時候也是推給內政部他說這個是內政部決定的\n那後來我問那個教育部說那不管是不是內政部決定你教育部的態度是什麼如果說人事警政總署詢問大家教師節該不該放假的時候那教育部你支持嗎後來教育部說他支持所以我現在也是問內政部您的態度就是說如果是人事警政總署來問跟你們這邊問詢問說假設我們現在要增加幾天假或者是把這個假打字化的話我不知道部長你的態度是什麼\n有關法制化的問題我剛已經回答過葉委員我希望維持現狀是一個實施辦法因為我們認為比較有彈性那第二個有關增加放假哪一個教師節先講還是有關教師節的部分就是我今天在跟很多委員的時候特別提到我們會認為說根據身份別的部分的話來做紀念活動本來就有\n譬如說有的是婦女 有的是青年有的是兒童 有的是勞動的但是你如果單單提出來說教師節要讓他慶祝以外還要放假那就會牽涉到每個委員有不同的版本有的委員沒有放進去有的委員放進去\n就是委員26個版本有33天需要放假這個就變成說社會上的共識是不太足的那我們希望說社會上的共識比較足會比較好這是第二個那第三個有關放假日要不要增加那我們已經跟各位回答過就是說我們的\n放假日再加上週休二日目前為止大概就是一般人是一百一十五天如果是勞動勞工的話是一百一十六天那你如果要增加一天增加兩天增加三天甚至有人要增加到七天或九天請問你要增加在哪裡那我們的立場是不要用身分別所以不然那我可以這樣解讀嗎就是說其實你是贊成增加假日啊\n只是說你覺得要放哪一天假可以再需要凝聚共事嗎是這個意思嗎我可不可以用這樣的方式再跟委員解釋一下譬如說外面很多人會覺得說勞動日勞動節要放假但是我們的立場五一勞動節的勞動者本來就放假是沒有勞動者的軍公教要放假也是全國要一起放假所以\n重點是在於說我們全國要一致放假的話就是全國要有共識我們所謂的共識不是百分之百喔全國要有共識要增加假日那既然全國要有共識要增加假日要增加在哪一天我們就有26個版本的33種不同的假日\n對 所以我剛剛在問嘛因為你一定要慢慢收斂問題嘛不然這兩個問題全部都揪在一起了對 因為我剛剛在問說某一個節該不該放的時候你只是提到說沒有共識你好像講到說你也願意增加假日但是呢問到說你知不支持增加假日你又說呢可是要放哪一天呢我們不知道所以我現在就是要我們要收斂問題嘛就是說\n是不是說其實你也認為說多放幾天假是符合世界潮流只是說現在到底要放哪一天需要社會共識是這個意思嗎還是說你覺得其實以現在的勞工的條件或者是台灣人工時其實沒有增加假期也沒有關係因為沒有影響到他們權益\n沒有 勞動的部分我不幫勞動部回應我想勞動部他們本來就應該增加勞工的權益 但是我們現在講的是全國放假日我沒有閃因為我跟你講我們去別的部會問 大家都說這個要問是內政部管然後我們來內政委員會問內政部 內政部又說是人事行政層主要是負責社會問題 所以我們只有接下去\n對啊 可是問題是你的回答我剛剛講過這個是講全國放假日的問題那既然是全國放假日的問題你特別選擇某一種職業身份的話就不適合嗎比較奇怪所以意思是說現在如果說我們立法院的委員大家都可以有共識說挑到一個節日大家都沒問題那內政部也願意支持嘛是這個意思嗎\n立法院都已經做成決議內政部怎麼敢反對很多立法院決議內政部都反對啊\n而且很多立法委員提的版本那時候大家都要等院版啦其實大家都是希望說什麼政策是行政機關跟立法院都一致討論過通過啦我現在只問你的意見嘛所以我今天對很多委員都提到說第一個不希望它是政黨之間的爭議而是大家可以坐下來談我們要不要增加這個全國放假日那如果大家都有這樣子的共識\n不是不要一直講我沒意見我們本來就要尊重如果大家都有這樣共識的話我相信行政院的很多其他的部會因為你不能只有講一個部會負責所有的事情都會按照這樣的方向因為我的瞭解是人事行政總書在每一次做相關決定的時候他都會發回去詢問各部會嘛那有的部會就會表達支持或不支持嘛舉例來講好了像去年上個會期我質詢那時候還沒有還不是新政府的時候潘文忠部長前教育部長潘文忠\n我問他支不支持勞動節放假因為那時候我們是討論到有的代理老師他雖然是保勞保但是他不適用勞基法所以勞動節他們就變成不放假學校公益有可能適用勞基法放假我就問他說怎麼去解決這個問題他就說人事行政總署已經在調查說支不支持勞動節全國都放假教育部就是支持的\n所以其實有擔當的首長本來就可以表達你對於這個價值不支持因為你們內部你也是其中一個內閣的閣員嘛你本來就可以有你的態度再來你內政部的立場所以不是說好像我們問你的立場你就是說啊這個就立法院決定我們就OK或者是\n我怎樣怎樣怎樣其實這個並沒有回答到問題我不是這個意思我的意思是說站在行政跟立法互相尊重的狀況之下我們沒有個人的立場我們會表達機關的立場機關的立場就是全國放假日要能夠出來一個版本\n而不是針對某一些特定的族群跟身份您剛所提到教師節要不要放假我也提到了我聽到的部分就是說如果教師節要全國一致放假的話首先衝擊到的就是偏鄉教師的這個我剛剛我了解你的意思我只是問說你支持不支持多放假我現在沒講什麼節日嘛我現在說是不是只要大家能夠討論出一個節日出來你也是支持的我現在問題其實是這個\n你聽得懂我意思嗎還是你不能回答尊重委員好謝謝好謝謝葉元之委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.386 --> 00:11.848\n我們今天要討論有關於放假的問題因為這個放假問題有幾個層次第一個層次是到底要不要應不應該要放第二個是如果要的話放幾天第三個是要放\n\n00:34.989 --> 00:58.480\n如果可以放的話放什麼假我想問一下部長你現在態度是什麼是說都不能放還是我想我在上次在立法院院會跟院長陪同的時候有特別提到我們是希望維持現狀也就是按照現在我們的一個實施辦法來處理那因為我們有詢問過法務部法務部認為說我們並沒有侵犯到人民限制他的權利\n\n00:59.821 --> 01:13.199\n沒有侵犯到限制他的權利事項所以按照現在的辦法按照行政命令來講是可以的那但是公佈每一年的放假日的話是由行政院的人事行政總處他們是依照公務員服務法的相關規定來公佈的\n\n01:15.041 --> 01:31.444\n是謝謝部長那因為那個我覺得不管是不是人事行政總署的問題啦但是內政部應該也是要有個態度啦因為我在教育文化委員會的時候前幾天我有質詢教育部那時候我問他們說知不支持教師節放假\n\n01:32.105 --> 01:59.563\n那教師節放假這個議題在前幾個禮拜有一個教團來立法院開記者會當時藍綠白很多位立委都有出席都一致支持啦那當然支持的原因一方面是大家覺得說台灣應該也是可以多放幾天假第二個可以選定為教師節為目標為什麼因為尊師重道嘛然後讓這個老師們在這一天也可以放假全國都可以因為這樣子放假那我問教育部啊\n\n02:00.063 --> 02:03.632\n這一部一開始的時候也是推給內政部他說這個是內政部決定的\n\n02:05.270 --> 02:33.101\n那後來我問那個教育部說那不管是不是內政部決定你教育部的態度是什麼如果說人事警政總署詢問大家教師節該不該放假的時候那教育部你支持嗎後來教育部說他支持所以我現在也是問內政部您的態度就是說如果是人事警政總署來問跟你們這邊問詢問說假設我們現在要增加幾天假或者是把這個假打字化的話我不知道部長你的態度是什麼\n\n02:33.780 --> 02:48.587\n有關法制化的問題我剛已經回答過葉委員我希望維持現狀是一個實施辦法因為我們認為比較有彈性那第二個有關增加放假哪一個教師節先講還是有關教師節的部分就是我今天在跟很多委員的時候特別提到我們會認為說根據身份別的部分的話來做紀念活動本來就有\n\n02:58.092 --> 03:12.393\n譬如說有的是婦女有的是青年有的是兒童有的是勞動的但是你如果單單提出來說教師節要讓他慶祝以外還要放假那就會牽涉到每個委員有不同的版本有的委員沒有放進去有的委員放進去\n\n03:13.274 --> 03:32.225\n就是委員26個版本有33天需要放假這個就變成說社會上的共識是不太足的那我們希望說社會上的共識比較足會比較好這是第二個那第三個有關放假日要不要增加那我們已經跟各位回答過就是說我們的\n\n03:33.226 --> 03:56.612\n放假日再加上週休二日目前為止大概就是一般人是一百一十五天如果是勞動勞工的話是一百一十六天那你如果要增加一天增加兩天增加三天甚至有人要增加到七天或九天請問你要增加在哪裡那我們的立場是不要用身分別所以不然那我可以這樣解讀嗎就是說其實你是贊成增加假日啊\n\n03:56.852 --> 04:22.267\n只是說你覺得要放哪一天假可以再需要凝聚共事嗎是這個意思嗎我可不可以用這樣的方式再跟委員解釋一下譬如說外面很多人會覺得說勞動日勞動節要放假但是我們的立場五一勞動節的勞動者本來就放假是沒有勞動者的軍公教要放假也是全國要一起放假所以\n\n04:22.927 --> 04:39.722\n重點是在於說我們全國要一致放假的話就是全國要有共識我們所謂的共識不是百分之百喔全國要有共識要增加假日那既然全國要有共識要增加假日要增加在哪一天我們就有26個版本的33種不同的假日\n\n04:40.862 --> 05:02.330\n對所以我剛剛在問嘛因為你一定要慢慢收斂問題嘛不然這兩個問題全部都揪在一起了對因為我剛剛在問說某一個節該不該放的時候你只是提到說沒有共識你好像講到說你也願意增加假日但是呢問到說你知不支持增加假日你又說呢可是要放哪一天呢我們不知道所以我現在就是要我們要收斂問題嘛就是說\n\n05:03.610 --> 05:21.408\n是不是說其實你也認為說多放幾天假是符合世界潮流只是說現在到底要放哪一天需要社會共識是這個意思嗎還是說你覺得其實以現在的勞工的條件或者是台灣人工時其實沒有增加假期也沒有關係因為沒有影響到他們權益\n\n05:22.785 --> 05:35.469\n沒有勞動的部分我不幫勞動部回應我想勞動部他們本來就應該增加勞工的權益但是我們現在講的是全國放假日我沒有閃因為我跟你講我們去別的部會問大家都說這個要問是內政部管然後我們來內政委員會問內政部內政部又說是人事行政層主要是負責社會問題所以我們只有接下去\n\n05:46.807 --> 06:10.236\n對啊可是問題是你的回答我剛剛講過這個是講全國放假日的問題那既然是全國放假日的問題你特別選擇某一種職業身份的話就不適合嗎比較奇怪所以意思是說現在如果說我們立法院的委員大家都可以有共識說挑到一個節日大家都沒問題那內政部也願意支持嘛是這個意思嗎\n\n06:10.936 --> 06:17.056\n立法院都已經做成決議內政部怎麼敢反對很多立法院決議內政部都反對啊\n\n06:18.608 --> 06:43.836\n而且很多立法委員提的版本那時候大家都要等院版啦其實大家都是希望說什麼政策是行政機關跟立法院都一致討論過通過啦我現在只問你的意見嘛所以我今天對很多委員都提到說第一個不希望它是政黨之間的爭議而是大家可以坐下來談我們要不要增加這個全國放假日那如果大家都有這樣子的共識\n\n06:45.336 --> 07:13.963\n不是不要一直講我沒意見我們本來就要尊重如果大家都有這樣共識的話我相信行政院的很多其他的部會因為你不能只有講一個部會負責所有的事情都會按照這樣的方向因為我的瞭解是人事行政總書在每一次做相關決定的時候他都會發回去詢問各部會嘛那有的部會就會表達支持或不支持嘛舉例來講好了像去年上個會期我質詢那時候還沒有還不是新政府的時候潘文忠部長前教育部長潘文忠\n\n07:14.463 --> 07:33.954\n我問他支不支持勞動節放假因為那時候我們是討論到有的代理老師他雖然是保勞保但是他不適用勞基法所以勞動節他們就變成不放假學校公益有可能適用勞基法放假我就問他說怎麼去解決這個問題他就說人事行政總署已經在調查說支不支持勞動節全國都放假教育部就是支持的\n\n07:34.534 --> 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