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00:01:34,252\n終於在1994年的8月1號的國民大會通過將山胞改為原住民那原住民族是最早成為這塊土地的主人所以原住民的正名是原住民族轉型正義的起源那8月1號這一天呢它代表著尊重原住民族的文化歷史那更是在台灣多元族群融合的象徵所以本席認為呢8月1號這一天\n\n5\n00:01:35,493 --> 00:01:45,000\n不是局限在台灣的原住民族而已他更凸顯了我們整個台灣落實兩公約的這個深遠的意涵所以\n\n6\n00:01:46,860 --> 00:02:11,994\n本席特別主張也贊成希望在8月1日可以全國放假一天那另外呢我第三個主張就是希望在這個歲時計一假可以改為三日那因為像我舉例我們卑南族除了就是說在這個跨年的年紀之外呢我們還有收穫季那還有這個阿美族當然他\n\n7\n00:02:13,114 --> 00:02:34,899\n除了這個一粒性之外呢還有這個海濟等等那因為我們因應各族他不同的這個文化不同的技藝其實在者就是我們原住民大概有一半的人口都在都會區工作那這個往返如果只是\n\n8\n00:02:35,659 --> 00:02:49,325\n那个飞机直接或者火车直接到达市区或原乡市区但是很多人还要再可能开个一两个小时的车子才能回到部落\n\n9\n00:02:50,946 --> 00:03:05,319\n除了就是说一年的这个岁数计有好几好几好几个以外呢另外就是说其实我想在很多好几个族群我们其实都有分年龄阶层我们一个简单的大家可能以为\n\n10\n00:03:07,060 --> 00:03:12,963\n這個阿美族的一粒性就是你們俗稱的我們不喜歡用豐年紀來講的我講豐年紀會被糾正所以你要講一粒性這樣好那這個各個階層都有不同的工作要上山打獵要去砍竹子\n\n11\n00:03:22,688 --> 00:03:48,771\n然後還要蓋一些傳統的一些小型的建築很多的工作要做的男女有別大家都有不同的工作所以這個不是你們想像中一天的記憶而已扣掉交通那我們其他真的做文化傳承的工作是真的不夠的所以這個部分我不曉得就是\n\n12\n00:03:50,593 --> 00:04:04,669\n我想這個原民會主委一定支持啦這個我們絕對不會懷疑但我不曉得就是說內政部這邊的態度是怎麼樣是不是主委跟部長可以都發表一下意見\n\n13\n00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:23,183\n好謝謝陳議委員的關心陳議委員在原鄉地區可以說是為民喉舌非常努力那有關你所提到的碎石記憶的部分在我們的一個實施辦法裡面是放在第四條原住民族的碎石記憶的話各該原住民族放假日期\n\n14\n00:04:23,743 --> 00:04:45,933\n由行政院原住民族委員會參酌各該原住民族習俗公告並且刊登政府公報也就是我們內政部呢都是尊重原民會的一個公告那目前我所了解就是說原住民的睡食計是以一天的放假為主那如果要解決相關的其他問題的話可能要請原民會來跟陳委員報告是那原民會\n\n15\n00:04:49,977 --> 00:05:07,676\n這個隨時計改為三天當然我們是支持但是這個涉及到整個國家的總體經濟還有企業的經營層面很廣那我們是建議我們會再跟主管機關我們再來通盤考量但我們還是尊重委員的這個意見謝謝\n\n16\n00:05:09,498 --> 00:05:34,892\n因為通常尊重就會有蠻多的變數當你不知道要做什麼反應的時候我們就尊重那我想我還是希望說園民會可以在這個部分我很清楚主委是絕對理解我們這樣的需求那個主委我想我們單純就我們以這個碎石記憶文化傳承的這個角度去看這樣要求三天假合不合理\n\n17\n00:05:36,453 --> 00:05:56,614\n單純看這樣子是合理單純看是合理因為這個很多的原因對那但因為涉及到要請假的時候就會可能很多的公司老闆就會開始計算這個公司營運有沒有受影響啦好點點點那所以這個部分我還是在這邊要求主委\n\n18\n00:05:57,054 --> 00:05:59,375\n因為過年之後我發現一個很奇特的現象\n\n19\n00:06:16,562 --> 00:06:44,338\n就是說我們有很多重要的會刊包括像那個改善部落環境部落道路還有聚會所的修繕那為什麼你們都沒有派同仁來呢我跟委員報告我們是用適性的方式但最主要是因為我們的這個猜理會有被刪除了百分之二十兩百多萬那我們希望則最重要的是一定要去看的我們在\n\n20\n00:06:45,459 --> 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劉部長有請\n兩位好我想這次國定假日跟節日修法的討論我想本席有幾個主張第一個主張就是除了希望可以為警察與消防在消防節還有警察節可以放假一日外\n另外的一個主張就是希望再把這個8月1日的援助民族日定為國定假日那8月1號援助民族日的由來呢是1993年台灣援助民族權力促進會也就是援權會當時有發起了這個援助民族正名運動那援權會呢在這個體制外倡議了10年\n終於在1994年的8月1號的國民大會通過將山胞改為原住民那原住民族是最早成為這塊土地的主人所以原住民的正名是原住民族轉型正義的起源那8月1號這一天呢它代表著尊重原住民族的文化歷史那更是在台灣多元族群融合的象徵所以本席認為呢8月1號這一天\n不是局限在台灣的原住民族而已他更凸顯了我們整個台灣落實兩公約的這個深遠的意涵所以\n本席特別主張也贊成希望在8月1日可以全國放假一天那另外呢我第三個主張就是希望在這個歲時計一假可以改為三日那因為像我舉例我們卑南族除了就是說在這個跨年的年紀之外呢我們還有收穫季那還有這個阿美族當然他\n除了這個一粒性之外呢還有這個海濟等等那因為我們因應各族他不同的這個文化不同的技藝其實在者就是我們原住民大概有一半的人口都在都會區工作那這個往返如果只是\n那个飞机直接或者火车直接到达市区或原乡市区但是很多人还要再可能开个一两个小时的车子才能回到部落\n除了就是说一年的这个岁数计有好几好几好几个以外呢另外就是说其实我想在很多好几个族群我们其实都有分年龄阶层我们一个简单的大家可能以为\n這個阿美族的一粒性就是你們俗稱的我們不喜歡用豐年紀來講的我講豐年紀會被糾正所以你要講一粒性這樣好那這個各個階層都有不同的工作要上山打獵要去砍竹子\n然後還要蓋一些傳統的一些小型的建築很多的工作要做的男女有別大家都有不同的工作所以這個不是你們想像中一天的記憶而已扣掉交通那我們其他真的做文化傳承的工作是真的不夠的所以這個部分我不曉得就是\n我想這個原民會主委一定支持啦這個我們絕對不會懷疑但我不曉得就是說內政部這邊的態度是怎麼樣是不是主委跟部長可以都發表一下意見\n好謝謝陳議委員的關心陳議委員在原鄉地區可以說是為民喉舌非常努力那有關你所提到的碎石記憶的部分在我們的一個實施辦法裡面是放在第四條原住民族的碎石記憶的話各該原住民族放假日期\n由行政院原住民族委員會參酌各該原住民族習俗公告並且刊登政府公報也就是我們內政部呢都是尊重原民會的一個公告那目前我所了解就是說原住民的睡食計是以一天的放假為主那如果要解決相關的其他問題的話可能要請原民會來跟陳委員報告是那原民會\n這個隨時計改為三天當然我們是支持但是這個涉及到整個國家的總體經濟還有企業的經營層面很廣那我們是建議我們會再跟主管機關我們再來通盤考量但我們還是尊重委員的這個意見謝謝\n因為通常尊重就會有蠻多的變數當你不知道要做什麼反應的時候我們就尊重那我想我還是希望說園民會可以在這個部分我很清楚主委是絕對理解我們這樣的需求那個主委我想我們單純就我們以這個碎石記憶文化傳承的這個角度去看這樣要求三天假合不合理\n單純看這樣子是合理單純看是合理因為這個很多的原因對那但因為涉及到要請假的時候就會可能很多的公司老闆就會開始計算這個公司營運有沒有受影響啦好點點點那所以這個部分我還是在這邊要求主委\n因為過年之後我發現一個很奇特的現象\n就是說我們有很多重要的會刊包括像那個改善部落環境部落道路還有聚會所的修繕那為什麼你們都沒有派同仁來呢我跟委員報告我們是用適性的方式但最主要是因為我們的這個猜理會有被刪除了百分之二十兩百多萬那我們希望則最重要的是一定要去看的我們在\n因為有時候你沒有到現場看你也不知道什麼是重要不重要但這也不怪你啦因為現在就是工程的會刊你們幾乎都沒有辦法派人因為你們的旅費被刪掉很多啊所以這個部分我覺得\n這個隔空抓藥啦視訊什麼有時候很難因為有時候是因為現場風大造成了一些影響或者什麼樣原因到現場看還是最實際的嘛所以我是不贊同啦就是說\n你用這樣的方式是很難去落實實際到現場會刊的那種意義確實我們在去年預算審查的時候我們某位立委同事說絕對會把預算刪減得很有感我告訴各位我們原住民真的很有感而且我們是很反感\n因為山道這樣 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