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00:02:21,100\n那來到台灣其實對語言也好或風俗習慣也好其實是非常的不適應那可是呢一來到台灣幾乎大部分的新住民都有面臨這個養育兒女的這個狀況尤其是孕育兒女的狀況那很需要自己的親父母親到台灣來做這個陪伴我想這個都是基於這個親情的這個呼喚所以那時候呢總統聽了這個新住民的這個心聲之後呢\n\n7\n00:02:25,382 --> 00:02:37,529\n所以在這個大選2023年大選的時候呢就擬定了新住民的這個六大政策那其中有一項呢就是要鬆綁新住民慈禧尊親屬來台探親規定的這個停留的這個規定\n\n8\n00:02:41,371 --> 00:03:05,458\n那當然我們有跟這個相關的單位像這個內政部也好陸委會也好還有外交部我們都有提到說新住民其實需求並不是很多我們只希望能夠比照外專人才專法就是說外專人才延攬條例來台的新住民其實他們的父母親可以在台灣停留一年可是呢我們\n\n9\n00:03:06,178 --> 00:03:22,116\n来自于世界各国婚姻移民来到台湾的这些新住民其实我们的父母亲停留的时间也许只有三个月最长就是不超过六个月所以竟然透过专业人才演览条约莱特新住民\n\n10\n00:03:22,957 --> 00:03:38,424\n這樣子的這個這個條例為什麼我們沒有辦法來做比照所以我跟各個部會曾經做了很多的探討那當然這已經討論了一段時間我想了解就是說到底這個有沒有進展我們到底有沒有實施要實施的話是什麼時候會通過請問院長\n\n11\n00:03:41,205 --> 00:04:04,455\n謝謝委員我們都結成了歡迎要跟台灣當朋友要把這裡當家鄉的任何新住民的朋友因為總統的原因來到這裡跟我們的生活融合在一起我們也會竭力的來照顧跟他們也融合在一起所以總統跟新住民朋友跟團體接觸的那個經驗也是我們普遍共同的經驗\n\n12\n00:04:05,675 --> 00:04:22,613\n但我們當然也希望從法制上能夠來做全面的檢討跟更新如果說剛剛您提到的這個來台灣遵清屬來台灣的時間等等的問題我們在一個橫頻的比較底下內政部有沒有再進一步的來做規劃請部長來做說明\n\n13\n00:04:24,932 --> 00:04:39,117\n謝謝羅委員羅委員對於新住民的政策可以說是一個非常重要的推手那我想羅美玲委員所關心的議題目前沒有錯新住民專遷署來台停留時間最長六個月\n\n14\n00:04:40,177 --> 00:05:03,207\n羅委員多次跟我們的相關單位包括我們移民署都有做協調所以目前我們已經有跟相關單位的延商取得共識就是希望說在台設有戶籍且懷孕或育有兩歲以下親生子女的新住民延長他父母在台停留期間的法令目前我們可能是朝著可以六個月在家六個月\n\n15\n00:05:04,128 --> 00:05:18,744\n6加6對在以這個方向來處理那現在呢相關的法制作業包括要修正入出國跟移民法的配合修法的程序呢已經陸陸續續完成可能最近的公告出去的話就可以來執行\n\n16\n00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:34,387\nOK好謝謝部長我們聽到了一個非常開心的一個進展因為這個議題其實從總統提出來之後呢我們就一直在做討論所以那當然新著名朋友也是非常的關心一直在問說到底有沒有進展居然是總統\n\n17\n00:05:34,967 --> 00:05:51,927\n總統的政見就一定要實現嗎我在想這是總統對新住民的這個承諾那再來還有就是說也有很多台灣的民眾有在想說如果是說我們讓這個新住民的尊卿署來台一年那有沒有健保的這個問題這個部分是不是要說明一下呢\n\n18\n00:05:52,287 --> 00:06:08,926\n是目前為止的我們並沒有討論這個進度了因為原來在六個月的停留期間他是屬於停留的身份所以沒有辦法適用健保那目前我們先以這個延長六個月到六個月的一個停留的期間所以還是停留的身份仍然是停留的身份\n\n19\n00:06:09,326 --> 00:06:34,319\n是我们只有拘留的部分才有健保的问题嘛对不对所以既然是停留就没有健保的问题所以说台湾民众所担心到时会不会造成健保的这个负担我想这个部分是没有的所以这没有健保劳健保的问题就对了这纯粹就是考量人道的考量让新住民的尊亲属可以有多一点的时间来陪伴自己的孙子自己的女儿或这个自己的女儿\n\n20\n00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:53,637\n所以我在想这个都是人道的考量那当然我知道说目前我们设定的就是家里育有两岁以下的新住民家庭就可以来申请纯粹就是说让这个尊亲属可以来做这个陪伴嘛对不对好谢谢以上谢谢那再来呢还有就是有关于这个劳动部\n\n21\n00:06:55,179 --> 00:07:16,397\n勞動會在2月的時候有預告婚姻移民新住民將納入救福法那我是不是要請一下勞動部長那也就是說在2月10號有公告就是為了落實保障新住民的就業權益希望藉由提供各項的服務措施跟就業的獎勵補助計畫希望讓新住民也可以納入救福法的第24條\n\n22\n00:07:22,482 --> 00:07:46,393\n資歷促進就業的這個對象其實勞動部呢我們本來就有擬定促進新住民就業補助作業要點在新住民的這個身份上來講的話其實我們設定的是未涉及的新住民嘛對不對那現在我們要把這個新住民的納入救福法第24條那想請教一下就是新住民的這個\n\n23\n00:07:47,493 --> 00:08:03,606\n定義經過這個新住民基本法通過之後其實它新住民的定義是有擴大來做解釋所以我想了解一下說我們把這個新住民納入救護法二十四條到底我們的身份定義有沒有改變好跟羅恩報告\n\n24\n00:08:04,626 --> 00:08:18,597\n確實在民國97年的時候當時其實我們訂了一個對於新住民的就業補助的要點當時那主要是主要的範圍是設定是在他是這個未涉及他有居留但未涉及\n\n25\n00:08:19,378 --> 00:08:47,821\n那當然現在在新住民基本法通過之後那現在我們在今年的二月的時候我們把這個新住民在納入的救護法第一項的第十款裡面的這個特定的對象把它納進去以後現在的狀況是不管你有沒有涉及你都可以取得我們比方說雇用的獎助或者是我們職業訓練的這個生活的津貼你都可以有得到這相關我們的幫助所以它的範圍是擴大了\n\n26\n00:08:49,182 --> 00:09:03,917\n所以明確的來講我們還是設定是婚姻移民像利用其他比如說專業技術進來的新住民是不適用的嘛新住民配偶就是婚姻移民嘛因為婚姻移民基本上他們都選\n\n27\n00:09:04,417 --> 00:09:19,245\n就算是說因為剛我提到就是說新住民剛來到台灣其實他們因為語言的不通所以造成他這個就業其實他是屬於比較弱勢的所以我們有一些比較重要的一些補助比如說我有看到有臨時工作津貼職業訓練生活津貼僱用獎助還有\n\n28\n00:09:22,447 --> 00:09:49,563\n求職交通補助金就是在這個新住民的這個促進新住民就業補助作為要點本來就有的一些補助項目嘛那我們現在把這個救福法第二四條納入了新住民就像部長所提到的就是說不管你設不設局你有居留也好或者是入籍也好都可以納入可是只限婚姻移民嘛就是新住民配偶的部分\n\n29\n00:09:50,343 --> 00:10:09,629\n那這部分什麼時候要實施?因為那時候2月10號公告的時候有說可能就是3月份的時候會來實施可是到目前為止好像還沒看到好,我們會來盡快我們實施的同時也會把原本那個要點就範圍比較限縮的那個要點會停止使用那我們會來盡快的趕快來把這部分實施所以這個時程大約是今年會通過嗎?\n\n30\n00:10:10,789 --> 00:10:25,517\n應該是會對因為對新住民來講就是一個很大的一個進展喔就像過去的話只有補助的是未涉及的新住民現在只要你是有新住民的身份其實當然我們還強調是婚姻移民的部分啦OK好\n\n31\n00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:38,851\n好謝謝部長那再來還有呢下一題的話可是也是跟勞動部或是我們內政部其實都有關係那下一題的話我想探討的是這個預期的這個\n\n32\n00:10:42,795 --> 00:10:58,113\n應該是說移工啦非法移工的這個部分這問題呢已經討論了非常久了像我們國內的話現在呢預期拘留的這個人口數呢去年其實是突破了14萬人那其中失聯的移工就超過了9萬人\n\n33\n00:10:59,861 --> 00:11:20,820\n好那剩下的是什么呢可能就是因为来台湾利用观光签证或其他签证进来然后就不离开留在台湾的所以我们这个预期拘留的人口数是非常高的那相较十年前的话其实我们增加了将近的一倍就造成了一些这个边境管理的一些困难\n\n34\n00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:49,873\n那当然国主要重新寻觅这个移工其实也是不方便的那甚至还造成的一些治安的问题比如说像这个毒品炸漆甚至现在更是有充当黑道打手等等的这个治安问题那当然这个合法的这个移工如果说逃逸之后失联之后他就丧失了这个医疗的资源社会福利等等的这个保障那我常常见到很多一些医院的\n\n35\n00:11:50,553 --> 00:12:07,582\n像南投地方的一些醫院曾經也跟我澄清過他就說很多這個醫工到了這個醫院因為他並沒有這個合法的身份所以造成就是有一些醫療的一些費用醫院必須自己來承擔成了一些呆帳\n\n36\n00:12:08,883 --> 00:12:28,843\n可是基於一些人道的考量因為有時候他醫完病人也就跑掉了你也跟他要不到錢所以醫院也是有產生的一些呆帳等等那像這些當然為什麼會有這麼多的預期的這個拘留的人口我想我們應該可能要從源頭來重新來做思考\n\n37\n00:12:29,443 --> 00:12:55,648\n那比如說我們現在引進的制度到底完不完善還有高昂的重借費還有薪資的待遇還有移工的來源國的配合度等等像這些的話可能都會造成這個非法移工的產生因為只要逃獄了他就不用繳交高昂的重借費或者是說他覺得他的工作環境不好所以他就去打黑工那當然所造成的這個問題是非常的複雜那這是台灣長年以來的問題可是我發現\n\n38\n00:12:58,348 --> 00:13:26,527\n大家好像都是束手无策源头无法管理那后面呢又产生这么大的这么大量的这个与其的居留人口那当然这个收容的也是一个很大的这个问题那我有看到就是说目前台湾呢只有四个收容所台北宜兰南投跟高雄那这几个收容所呢其实他们的收容量其实都不大像台北收容所\n\n39\n00:13:27,779 --> 00:13:45,324\n它只能容纳360人宜兰423南投480高雄450也就是说它最大的收容量四个收容所加起来也就1713人可是我刚才有提到我们的这个运气区域人口有高达14万人你要如何去去化\n\n40\n00:13:46,204 --> 00:14:08,225\n如何去去化好源頭無法管理也無法去化那我們這個收到收容所我們最長的收容時間是只有28天就算遣送回國你也就是28天就把錢送回去甚至有些無法遣送因為拿不到他的旅行資料的也有理由證件拿不到可能就沒有辦法就是\n\n41\n00:14:09,898 --> 00:14:23,063\n回到他自己的母國可能繼續留在台灣時間到了你還得把他給放出去又造成另外一個社會的問題那我想請教想針對這個收容的這個這部分先請教我們部長\n\n42\n00:14:24,588 --> 00:14:46,684\n我們有沒有你看我們的收容所只有四所那我們收容量也只有這麼多那針對這麼大的這個陶藝的這個預期的這居民人口我們要如何去去化這個部分要怎麼處理我知道像很多專情隊就是因為收容不足所以有時候明知道有這個陶藝移工他們也不去處理因為來了沒有辦法收容這個部分我們要怎麼處理\n\n43\n00:14:49,509 --> 00:15:01,926\n謝謝羅委員的指教委員所提到有關收容所不足的部分確實是行之有年再加上最近失聯移工確實比較多那因為台灣是有法制的國家所以我們不可能永久積留\n\n44\n00:15:03,487 --> 00:15:29,975\n再來遣送回去確實有一些困難因為他原來失聯移工的母國有的時候他不願意支付他遣送回國的費用所以說衍生我們的困擾目前內政部除了跟相關的勞政單位或者是觀光或者是交通單位有做比較好的源頭管理之外羅委員所關心的就是有關收容所的部分事實上在111年的時候第一階段我們已經有通過了所謂的請財政部的國有財產署\n\n45\n00:15:58,383 --> 00:15:59,923\n好謝謝羅美玲委員資訊謝謝卓院長各部會首長的備詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10732\t13267\t謝謝主席 有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢\n26240\t47023\t各位好院長好 院長辛苦了本席今天要針對新住民的議題來跟院長做一個探討台灣的政府為了協助新住民適應台灣的生活其實擬定了很多友善新住民的政策例如像訂定新住民照顧服務\n47383\t74460\t措施還有這個設置新住民發展基金還有辦理新住民生活適應輔導計劃那還有建置新住民賠利發展資訊網我前兩天才去參加了移民署所主辦的這個陪你迎向這個新生活的這個活動那甚至在小英總統的時代還把東南亞七國的語言列入了這個國中小的這個課綱這是世界的這個首例\n75160\t97166\t去年我們也三讀通過新住民的專法所以我們也可以看得出來台灣政府其實對新住民都展現了很大的誠意希望新住民在台灣能夠好好的發展好好的生活賴清德總統在過去其實多次下鄉跟新住民面對面的座談\n98666\t115091\t所以我們也看得出來賴總統對於新住民的支持跟關心甚至有一次在座談的時候新住民朋友有提到就是說因為我們新住民都是來自於世界各國\n115771\t141100\t那來到台灣其實對語言也好或風俗習慣也好其實是非常的不適應那可是呢一來到台灣幾乎大部分的新住民都有面臨這個養育兒女的這個狀況尤其是孕育兒女的狀況那很需要自己的親父母親到台灣來做這個陪伴我想這個都是基於這個親情的這個呼喚所以那時候呢總統聽了這個新住民的這個心聲之後呢\n145382\t157529\t所以在這個大選2023年大選的時候呢就擬定了新住民的這個六大政策那其中有一項呢就是要鬆綁新住民慈禧尊親屬來台探親規定的這個停留的這個規定\n161371\t185458\t那當然我們有跟這個相關的單位像這個內政部也好陸委會也好還有外交部我們都有提到說新住民其實需求並不是很多我們只希望能夠比照外專人才專法就是說外專人才延攬條例來台的新住民其實他們的父母親可以在台灣停留一年可是呢我們\n186178\t202116\t来自于世界各国婚姻移民来到台湾的这些新住民其实我们的父母亲停留的时间也许只有三个月最长就是不超过六个月所以竟然透过专业人才演览条约莱特新住民\n202957\t218424\t這樣子的這個這個條例為什麼我們沒有辦法來做比照所以我跟各個部會曾經做了很多的探討那當然這已經討論了一段時間我想了解就是說到底這個有沒有進展我們到底有沒有實施要實施的話是什麼時候會通過請問院長\n221205\t244455\t謝謝委員我們都結成了歡迎要跟台灣當朋友要把這裡當家鄉的任何新住民的朋友因為總統的原因來到這裡跟我們的生活融合在一起我們也會竭力的來照顧跟他們也融合在一起所以總統跟新住民朋友跟團體接觸的那個經驗也是我們普遍共同的經驗\n245675\t262613\t但我們當然也希望從法制上能夠來做全面的檢討跟更新如果說剛剛您提到的這個來台灣遵清屬來台灣的時間等等的問題我們在一個橫頻的比較底下內政部有沒有再進一步的來做規劃請部長來做說明\n264932\t279117\t謝謝羅委員羅委員對於新住民的政策可以說是一個非常重要的推手那我想羅美玲委員所關心的議題目前沒有錯新住民專遷署來台停留時間最長六個月\n280177\t303207\t羅委員多次跟我們的相關單位包括我們移民署都有做協調所以目前我們已經有跟相關單位的延商取得共識就是希望說在台設有戶籍且懷孕或育有兩歲以下親生子女的新住民延長他父母在台停留期間的法令目前我們可能是朝著可以六個月在家六個月\n304128\t318744\t6加6對在以這個方向來處理那現在呢相關的法制作業包括要修正入出國跟移民法的配合修法的程序呢已經陸陸續續完成可能最近的公告出去的話就可以來執行\n319639\t334387\tOK好謝謝部長我們聽到了一個非常開心的一個進展因為這個議題其實從總統提出來之後呢我們就一直在做討論所以那當然新著名朋友也是非常的關心一直在問說到底有沒有進展居然是總統\n334967\t351927\t總統的政見就一定要實現嗎我在想這是總統對新住民的這個承諾那再來還有就是說也有很多台灣的民眾有在想說如果是說我們讓這個新住民的尊卿署來台一年那有沒有健保的這個問題這個部分是不是要說明一下呢\n352287\t368926\t是目前為止的我們並沒有討論這個進度了因為原來在六個月的停留期間他是屬於停留的身份所以沒有辦法適用健保那目前我們先以這個延長六個月到六個月的一個停留的期間所以還是停留的身份仍然是停留的身份\n369326\t394319\t是我们只有拘留的部分才有健保的问题嘛对不对所以既然是停留就没有健保的问题所以说台湾民众所担心到时会不会造成健保的这个负担我想这个部分是没有的所以这没有健保劳健保的问题就对了这纯粹就是考量人道的考量让新住民的尊亲属可以有多一点的时间来陪伴自己的孙子自己的女儿或这个自己的女儿\n394639\t413637\t所以我在想这个都是人道的考量那当然我知道说目前我们设定的就是家里育有两岁以下的新住民家庭就可以来申请纯粹就是说让这个尊亲属可以来做这个陪伴嘛对不对好谢谢以上谢谢那再来呢还有就是有关于这个劳动部\n415179\t436397\t勞動會在2月的時候有預告婚姻移民新住民將納入救福法那我是不是要請一下勞動部長那也就是說在2月10號有公告就是為了落實保障新住民的就業權益希望藉由提供各項的服務措施跟就業的獎勵補助計畫希望讓新住民也可以納入救福法的第24條\n442482\t466393\t資歷促進就業的這個對象其實勞動部呢我們本來就有擬定促進新住民就業補助作業要點在新住民的這個身份上來講的話其實我們設定的是未涉及的新住民嘛對不對那現在我們要把這個新住民的納入救福法第24條那想請教一下就是新住民的這個\n467493\t483606\t定義經過這個新住民基本法通過之後其實它新住民的定義是有擴大來做解釋所以我想了解一下說我們把這個新住民納入救護法二十四條到底我們的身份定義有沒有改變好 跟羅恩報告\n484626\t498597\t確實在民國97年的時候當時其實我們訂了一個對於新住民的就業補助的要點當時那主要是主要的範圍是設定是在他是這個未涉及他有居留但未涉及\n499378\t527821\t那當然現在在新住民基本法通過之後那現在我們在今年的二月的時候我們把這個新住民在納入的救護法第一項的第十款裡面的這個特定的對象把它納進去以後現在的狀況是不管你有沒有涉及你都可以取得我們比方說雇用的獎助或者是我們職業訓練的這個生活的津貼你都可以有得到這相關我們的幫助所以它的範圍是擴大了\n529182\t543917\t所以明確的來講我們還是設定是婚姻移民像利用其他比如說專業技術進來的新住民是不適用的嘛新住民配偶就是婚姻移民嘛因為婚姻移民基本上他們都選\n544417\t559245\t就算是說因為剛我提到就是說新住民剛來到台灣其實他們因為語言的不通所以造成他這個就業其實他是屬於比較弱勢的所以我們有一些比較重要的一些補助比如說我有看到有臨時工作津貼職業訓練生活津貼僱用獎助還有\n562447\t589563\t求職交通補助金就是在這個新住民的這個促進新住民就業補助作為要點本來就有的一些補助項目嘛那我們現在把這個救福法第二四條納入了新住民就像部長所提到的就是說不管你設不設局你有居留也好或者是入籍也好都可以納入可是只限婚姻移民嘛就是新住民配偶的部分\n590343\t609629\t那這部分什麼時候要實施?因為那時候2月10號公告的時候有說可能就是3月份的時候會來實施可是到目前為止好像還沒看到好,我們會來盡快我們實施的同時也會把原本那個要點就範圍比較限縮的那個要點會停止使用那我們會來盡快的趕快來把這部分實施所以這個時程大約是今年會通過嗎?\n610789\t625517\t應該是會對因為對新住民來講就是一個很大的一個進展喔就像過去的話只有補助的是未涉及的新住民現在只要你是有新住民的身份其實當然我們還強調是婚姻移民的部分啦OK好\n626417\t638851\t好謝謝部長那再來還有呢下一題的話可是也是跟勞動部或是我們內政部其實都有關係那下一題的話我想探討的是這個預期的這個\n642795\t658113\t應該是說移工啦非法移工的這個部分這問題呢已經討論了非常久了像我們國內的話現在呢預期拘留的這個人口數呢去年其實是突破了14萬人那其中失聯的移工就超過了9萬人\n659861\t680820\t好那剩下的是什么呢可能就是因为来台湾利用观光签证或其他签证进来然后就不离开留在台湾的所以我们这个预期拘留的人口数是非常高的那相较十年前的话其实我们增加了将近的一倍就造成了一些这个边境管理的一些困难\n681440\t709873\t那当然国主要重新寻觅这个移工其实也是不方便的那甚至还造成的一些治安的问题比如说像这个毒品炸漆甚至现在更是有充当黑道打手等等的这个治安问题那当然这个合法的这个移工如果说逃逸之后失联之后他就丧失了这个医疗的资源社会福利等等的这个保障那我常常见到很多一些医院的\n710553\t727582\t像南投地方的一些醫院曾經也跟我澄清過他就說很多這個醫工到了這個醫院因為他並沒有這個合法的身份所以造成就是有一些醫療的一些費用醫院必須自己來承擔成了一些呆帳\n728883\t748843\t可是基於一些人道的考量因為有時候他醫完病人也就跑掉了你也跟他要不到錢所以醫院也是有產生的一些呆帳等等那像這些當然為什麼會有這麼多的預期的這個拘留的人口我想我們應該可能要從源頭來重新來做思考\n749443\t775648\t那比如說我們現在引進的制度到底完不完善還有高昂的重借費還有薪資的待遇還有移工的來源國的配合度等等像這些的話可能都會造成這個非法移工的產生因為只要逃獄了他就不用繳交高昂的重借費或者是說他覺得他的工作環境不好所以他就去打黑工那當然所造成的這個問題是非常的複雜那這是台灣長年以來的問題可是我發現\n778348\t806527\t大家好像都是束手无策源头无法管理那后面呢又产生这么大的这么大量的这个与其的居留人口那当然这个收容的也是一个很大的这个问题那我有看到就是说目前台湾呢只有四个收容所台北宜兰南投跟高雄那这几个收容所呢其实他们的收容量其实都不大像台北收容所\n807779\t825324\t它只能容纳360人宜兰423南投480高雄450也就是说它最大的收容量四个收容所加起来也就1713人可是我刚才有提到我们的这个运气区域人口有高达14万人你要如何去去化\n826204\t848225\t如何去去化好源頭無法管理也無法去化那我們這個收到收容所我們最長的收容時間是只有28天就算遣送回國你也就是28天就把錢送回去甚至有些無法遣送因為拿不到他的旅行資料的也有理由證件拿不到可能就沒有辦法就是\n849898\t863063\t回到他自己的母國可能繼續留在台灣時間到了你還得把他給放出去又造成另外一個社會的問題那我想請教想針對這個收容的這個這部分先請教我們部長\n864588\t886684\t我們有沒有 你看我們的收容所只有四所那我們收容量也只有這麼多那針對這麼大的這個陶藝的這個預期的這居民人口我們要如何去去化這個部分要怎麼處理我知道像很多專情隊就是因為收容不足所以有時候明知道有這個陶藝移工他們也不去處理因為來了沒有辦法收容這個部分我們要怎麼處理\n889509\t901926\t謝謝羅委員的指教委員所提到有關收容所不足的部分確實是行之有年再加上最近失聯移工確實比較多那因為台灣是有法制的國家所以我們不可能永久積留\n903487\t929975\t再來遣送回去確實有一些困難因為他原來失聯移工的母國有的時候他不願意支付他遣送回國的費用所以說衍生我們的困擾目前內政部除了跟相關的勞政單位或者是觀光或者是交通單位有做比較好的源頭管理之外羅委員所關心的就是有關收容所的部分事實上在111年的時候第一階段我們已經有通過了所謂的請財政部的國有財產署\n958383\t959923\t好 謝謝羅美玲委員資訊謝謝卓院長各部會首長的備詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢\n各位好院長好 院長辛苦了本席今天要針對新住民的議題來跟院長做一個探討台灣的政府為了協助新住民適應台灣的生活其實擬定了很多友善新住民的政策例如像訂定新住民照顧服務\n措施還有這個設置新住民發展基金還有辦理新住民生活適應輔導計劃那還有建置新住民賠利發展資訊網我前兩天才去參加了移民署所主辦的這個陪你迎向這個新生活的這個活動那甚至在小英總統的時代還把東南亞七國的語言列入了這個國中小的這個課綱這是世界的這個首例\n去年我們也三讀通過新住民的專法所以我們也可以看得出來台灣政府其實對新住民都展現了很大的誠意希望新住民在台灣能夠好好的發展好好的生活賴清德總統在過去其實多次下鄉跟新住民面對面的座談\n所以我們也看得出來賴總統對於新住民的支持跟關心甚至有一次在座談的時候新住民朋友有提到就是說因為我們新住民都是來自於世界各國\n那來到台灣其實對語言也好或風俗習慣也好其實是非常的不適應那可是呢一來到台灣幾乎大部分的新住民都有面臨這個養育兒女的這個狀況尤其是孕育兒女的狀況那很需要自己的親父母親到台灣來做這個陪伴我想這個都是基於這個親情的這個呼喚所以那時候呢總統聽了這個新住民的這個心聲之後呢\n所以在這個大選2023年大選的時候呢就擬定了新住民的這個六大政策那其中有一項呢就是要鬆綁新住民慈禧尊親屬來台探親規定的這個停留的這個規定\n那當然我們有跟這個相關的單位像這個內政部也好陸委會也好還有外交部我們都有提到說新住民其實需求並不是很多我們只希望能夠比照外專人才專法就是說外專人才延攬條例來台的新住民其實他們的父母親可以在台灣停留一年可是呢我們\n来自于世界各国婚姻移民来到台湾的这些新住民其实我们的父母亲停留的时间也许只有三个月最长就是不超过六个月所以竟然透过专业人才演览条约莱特新住民\n這樣子的這個這個條例為什麼我們沒有辦法來做比照所以我跟各個部會曾經做了很多的探討那當然這已經討論了一段時間我想了解就是說到底這個有沒有進展我們到底有沒有實施要實施的話是什麼時候會通過請問院長\n謝謝委員我們都結成了歡迎要跟台灣當朋友要把這裡當家鄉的任何新住民的朋友因為總統的原因來到這裡跟我們的生活融合在一起我們也會竭力的來照顧跟他們也融合在一起所以總統跟新住民朋友跟團體接觸的那個經驗也是我們普遍共同的經驗\n但我們當然也希望從法制上能夠來做全面的檢討跟更新如果說剛剛您提到的這個來台灣遵清屬來台灣的時間等等的問題我們在一個橫頻的比較底下內政部有沒有再進一步的來做規劃請部長來做說明\n謝謝羅委員羅委員對於新住民的政策可以說是一個非常重要的推手那我想羅美玲委員所關心的議題目前沒有錯新住民專遷署來台停留時間最長六個月\n羅委員多次跟我們的相關單位包括我們移民署都有做協調所以目前我們已經有跟相關單位的延商取得共識就是希望說在台設有戶籍且懷孕或育有兩歲以下親生子女的新住民延長他父母在台停留期間的法令目前我們可能是朝著可以六個月在家六個月\n6加6對在以這個方向來處理那現在呢相關的法制作業包括要修正入出國跟移民法的配合修法的程序呢已經陸陸續續完成可能最近的公告出去的話就可以來執行\nOK好謝謝部長我們聽到了一個非常開心的一個進展因為這個議題其實從總統提出來之後呢我們就一直在做討論所以那當然新著名朋友也是非常的關心一直在問說到底有沒有進展居然是總統\n總統的政見就一定要實現嗎我在想這是總統對新住民的這個承諾那再來還有就是說也有很多台灣的民眾有在想說如果是說我們讓這個新住民的尊卿署來台一年那有沒有健保的這個問題這個部分是不是要說明一下呢\n是目前為止的我們並沒有討論這個進度了因為原來在六個月的停留期間他是屬於停留的身份所以沒有辦法適用健保那目前我們先以這個延長六個月到六個月的一個停留的期間所以還是停留的身份仍然是停留的身份\n是我们只有拘留的部分才有健保的问题嘛对不对所以既然是停留就没有健保的问题所以说台湾民众所担心到时会不会造成健保的这个负担我想这个部分是没有的所以这没有健保劳健保的问题就对了这纯粹就是考量人道的考量让新住民的尊亲属可以有多一点的时间来陪伴自己的孙子自己的女儿或这个自己的女儿\n所以我在想这个都是人道的考量那当然我知道说目前我们设定的就是家里育有两岁以下的新住民家庭就可以来申请纯粹就是说让这个尊亲属可以来做这个陪伴嘛对不对好谢谢以上谢谢那再来呢还有就是有关于这个劳动部\n勞動會在2月的時候有預告婚姻移民新住民將納入救福法那我是不是要請一下勞動部長那也就是說在2月10號有公告就是為了落實保障新住民的就業權益希望藉由提供各項的服務措施跟就業的獎勵補助計畫希望讓新住民也可以納入救福法的第24條\n資歷促進就業的這個對象其實勞動部呢我們本來就有擬定促進新住民就業補助作業要點在新住民的這個身份上來講的話其實我們設定的是未涉及的新住民嘛對不對那現在我們要把這個新住民的納入救福法第24條那想請教一下就是新住民的這個\n定義經過這個新住民基本法通過之後其實它新住民的定義是有擴大來做解釋所以我想了解一下說我們把這個新住民納入救護法二十四條到底我們的身份定義有沒有改變好 跟羅恩報告\n確實在民國97年的時候當時其實我們訂了一個對於新住民的就業補助的要點當時那主要是主要的範圍是設定是在他是這個未涉及他有居留但未涉及\n那當然現在在新住民基本法通過之後那現在我們在今年的二月的時候我們把這個新住民在納入的救護法第一項的第十款裡面的這個特定的對象把它納進去以後現在的狀況是不管你有沒有涉及你都可以取得我們比方說雇用的獎助或者是我們職業訓練的這個生活的津貼你都可以有得到這相關我們的幫助所以它的範圍是擴大了\n所以明確的來講我們還是設定是婚姻移民像利用其他比如說專業技術進來的新住民是不適用的嘛新住民配偶就是婚姻移民嘛因為婚姻移民基本上他們都選\n就算是說因為剛我提到就是說新住民剛來到台灣其實他們因為語言的不通所以造成他這個就業其實他是屬於比較弱勢的所以我們有一些比較重要的一些補助比如說我有看到有臨時工作津貼職業訓練生活津貼僱用獎助還有\n求職交通補助金就是在這個新住民的這個促進新住民就業補助作為要點本來就有的一些補助項目嘛那我們現在把這個救福法第二四條納入了新住民就像部長所提到的就是說不管你設不設局你有居留也好或者是入籍也好都可以納入可是只限婚姻移民嘛就是新住民配偶的部分\n那這部分什麼時候要實施?因為那時候2月10號公告的時候有說可能就是3月份的時候會來實施可是到目前為止好像還沒看到好,我們會來盡快我們實施的同時也會把原本那個要點就範圍比較限縮的那個要點會停止使用那我們會來盡快的趕快來把這部分實施所以這個時程大約是今年會通過嗎?\n應該是會對因為對新住民來講就是一個很大的一個進展喔就像過去的話只有補助的是未涉及的新住民現在只要你是有新住民的身份其實當然我們還強調是婚姻移民的部分啦OK好\n好謝謝部長那再來還有呢下一題的話可是也是跟勞動部或是我們內政部其實都有關係那下一題的話我想探討的是這個預期的這個\n應該是說移工啦非法移工的這個部分這問題呢已經討論了非常久了像我們國內的話現在呢預期拘留的這個人口數呢去年其實是突破了14萬人那其中失聯的移工就超過了9萬人\n好那剩下的是什么呢可能就是因为来台湾利用观光签证或其他签证进来然后就不离开留在台湾的所以我们这个预期拘留的人口数是非常高的那相较十年前的话其实我们增加了将近的一倍就造成了一些这个边境管理的一些困难\n那当然国主要重新寻觅这个移工其实也是不方便的那甚至还造成的一些治安的问题比如说像这个毒品炸漆甚至现在更是有充当黑道打手等等的这个治安问题那当然这个合法的这个移工如果说逃逸之后失联之后他就丧失了这个医疗的资源社会福利等等的这个保障那我常常见到很多一些医院的\n像南投地方的一些醫院曾經也跟我澄清過他就說很多這個醫工到了這個醫院因為他並沒有這個合法的身份所以造成就是有一些醫療的一些費用醫院必須自己來承擔成了一些呆帳\n可是基於一些人道的考量因為有時候他醫完病人也就跑掉了你也跟他要不到錢所以醫院也是有產生的一些呆帳等等那像這些當然為什麼會有這麼多的預期的這個拘留的人口我想我們應該可能要從源頭來重新來做思考\n那比如說我們現在引進的制度到底完不完善還有高昂的重借費還有薪資的待遇還有移工的來源國的配合度等等像這些的話可能都會造成這個非法移工的產生因為只要逃獄了他就不用繳交高昂的重借費或者是說他覺得他的工作環境不好所以他就去打黑工那當然所造成的這個問題是非常的複雜那這是台灣長年以來的問題可是我發現\n大家好像都是束手无策源头无法管理那后面呢又产生这么大的这么大量的这个与其的居留人口那当然这个收容的也是一个很大的这个问题那我有看到就是说目前台湾呢只有四个收容所台北宜兰南投跟高雄那这几个收容所呢其实他们的收容量其实都不大像台北收容所\n它只能容纳360人宜兰423南投480高雄450也就是说它最大的收容量四个收容所加起来也就1713人可是我刚才有提到我们的这个运气区域人口有高达14万人你要如何去去化\n如何去去化好源頭無法管理也無法去化那我們這個收到收容所我們最長的收容時間是只有28天就算遣送回國你也就是28天就把錢送回去甚至有些無法遣送因為拿不到他的旅行資料的也有理由證件拿不到可能就沒有辦法就是\n回到他自己的母國可能繼續留在台灣時間到了你還得把他給放出去又造成另外一個社會的問題那我想請教想針對這個收容的這個這部分先請教我們部長\n我們有沒有 你看我們的收容所只有四所那我們收容量也只有這麼多那針對這麼大的這個陶藝的這個預期的這居民人口我們要如何去去化這個部分要怎麼處理我知道像很多專情隊就是因為收容不足所以有時候明知道有這個陶藝移工他們也不去處理因為來了沒有辦法收容這個部分我們要怎麼處理\n謝謝羅委員的指教委員所提到有關收容所不足的部分確實是行之有年再加上最近失聯移工確實比較多那因為台灣是有法制的國家所以我們不可能永久積留\n再來遣送回去確實有一些困難因為他原來失聯移工的母國有的時候他不願意支付他遣送回國的費用所以說衍生我們的困擾目前內政部除了跟相關的勞政單位或者是觀光或者是交通單位有做比較好的源頭管理之外羅委員所關心的就是有關收容所的部分事實上在111年的時候第一階段我們已經有通過了所謂的請財政部的國有財產署\n好 謝謝羅美玲委員資訊謝謝卓院長各部會首長的備詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.732 --> 00:13.267\n謝謝主席有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢\n\n00:26.240 --> 00:47.023\n各位好院長好院長辛苦了本席今天要針對新住民的議題來跟院長做一個探討台灣的政府為了協助新住民適應台灣的生活其實擬定了很多友善新住民的政策例如像訂定新住民照顧服務\n\n00:47.383 --> 01:14.460\n措施還有這個設置新住民發展基金還有辦理新住民生活適應輔導計劃那還有建置新住民賠利發展資訊網我前兩天才去參加了移民署所主辦的這個陪你迎向這個新生活的這個活動那甚至在小英總統的時代還把東南亞七國的語言列入了這個國中小的這個課綱這是世界的這個首例\n\n01:15.160 --> 01:37.166\n去年我們也三讀通過新住民的專法所以我們也可以看得出來台灣政府其實對新住民都展現了很大的誠意希望新住民在台灣能夠好好的發展好好的生活賴清德總統在過去其實多次下鄉跟新住民面對面的座談\n\n01:38.666 --> 01:55.091\n所以我們也看得出來賴總統對於新住民的支持跟關心甚至有一次在座談的時候新住民朋友有提到就是說因為我們新住民都是來自於世界各國\n\n01:55.771 --> 02:21.100\n那來到台灣其實對語言也好或風俗習慣也好其實是非常的不適應那可是呢一來到台灣幾乎大部分的新住民都有面臨這個養育兒女的這個狀況尤其是孕育兒女的狀況那很需要自己的親父母親到台灣來做這個陪伴我想這個都是基於這個親情的這個呼喚所以那時候呢總統聽了這個新住民的這個心聲之後呢\n\n02:25.382 --> 02:37.529\n所以在這個大選2023年大選的時候呢就擬定了新住民的這個六大政策那其中有一項呢就是要鬆綁新住民慈禧尊親屬來台探親規定的這個停留的這個規定\n\n02:41.371 --> 03:05.458\n那當然我們有跟這個相關的單位像這個內政部也好陸委會也好還有外交部我們都有提到說新住民其實需求並不是很多我們只希望能夠比照外專人才專法就是說外專人才延攬條例來台的新住民其實他們的父母親可以在台灣停留一年可是呢我們\n\n03:06.178 --> 03:22.116\n来自于世界各国婚姻移民来到台湾的这些新住民其实我们的父母亲停留的时间也许只有三个月最长就是不超过六个月所以竟然透过专业人才演览条约莱特新住民\n\n03:22.957 --> 03:38.424\n這樣子的這個這個條例為什麼我們沒有辦法來做比照所以我跟各個部會曾經做了很多的探討那當然這已經討論了一段時間我想了解就是說到底這個有沒有進展我們到底有沒有實施要實施的話是什麼時候會通過請問院長\n\n03:41.205 --> 04:04.455\n謝謝委員我們都結成了歡迎要跟台灣當朋友要把這裡當家鄉的任何新住民的朋友因為總統的原因來到這裡跟我們的生活融合在一起我們也會竭力的來照顧跟他們也融合在一起所以總統跟新住民朋友跟團體接觸的那個經驗也是我們普遍共同的經驗\n\n04:05.675 --> 04:22.613\n但我們當然也希望從法制上能夠來做全面的檢討跟更新如果說剛剛您提到的這個來台灣遵清屬來台灣的時間等等的問題我們在一個橫頻的比較底下內政部有沒有再進一步的來做規劃請部長來做說明\n\n04:24.932 --> 04:39.117\n謝謝羅委員羅委員對於新住民的政策可以說是一個非常重要的推手那我想羅美玲委員所關心的議題目前沒有錯新住民專遷署來台停留時間最長六個月\n\n04:40.177 --> 05:03.207\n羅委員多次跟我們的相關單位包括我們移民署都有做協調所以目前我們已經有跟相關單位的延商取得共識就是希望說在台設有戶籍且懷孕或育有兩歲以下親生子女的新住民延長他父母在台停留期間的法令目前我們可能是朝著可以六個月在家六個月\n\n05:04.128 --> 05:18.744\n6加6對在以這個方向來處理那現在呢相關的法制作業包括要修正入出國跟移民法的配合修法的程序呢已經陸陸續續完成可能最近的公告出去的話就可以來執行\n\n05:19.639 --> 05:34.387\nOK好謝謝部長我們聽到了一個非常開心的一個進展因為這個議題其實從總統提出來之後呢我們就一直在做討論所以那當然新著名朋友也是非常的關心一直在問說到底有沒有進展居然是總統\n\n05:34.967 --> 05:51.927\n總統的政見就一定要實現嗎我在想這是總統對新住民的這個承諾那再來還有就是說也有很多台灣的民眾有在想說如果是說我們讓這個新住民的尊卿署來台一年那有沒有健保的這個問題這個部分是不是要說明一下呢\n\n05:52.287 --> 06:08.926\n是目前為止的我們並沒有討論這個進度了因為原來在六個月的停留期間他是屬於停留的身份所以沒有辦法適用健保那目前我們先以這個延長六個月到六個月的一個停留的期間所以還是停留的身份仍然是停留的身份\n\n06:09.326 --> 06:34.319\n是我们只有拘留的部分才有健保的问题嘛对不对所以既然是停留就没有健保的问题所以说台湾民众所担心到时会不会造成健保的这个负担我想这个部分是没有的所以这没有健保劳健保的问题就对了这纯粹就是考量人道的考量让新住民的尊亲属可以有多一点的时间来陪伴自己的孙子自己的女儿或这个自己的女儿\n\n06:34.639 --> 06:53.637\n所以我在想这个都是人道的考量那当然我知道说目前我们设定的就是家里育有两岁以下的新住民家庭就可以来申请纯粹就是说让这个尊亲属可以来做这个陪伴嘛对不对好谢谢以上谢谢那再来呢还有就是有关于这个劳动部\n\n06:55.179 --> 07:16.397\n勞動會在2月的時候有預告婚姻移民新住民將納入救福法那我是不是要請一下勞動部長那也就是說在2月10號有公告就是為了落實保障新住民的就業權益希望藉由提供各項的服務措施跟就業的獎勵補助計畫希望讓新住民也可以納入救福法的第24條\n\n07:22.482 --> 07:46.393\n資歷促進就業的這個對象其實勞動部呢我們本來就有擬定促進新住民就業補助作業要點在新住民的這個身份上來講的話其實我們設定的是未涉及的新住民嘛對不對那現在我們要把這個新住民的納入救福法第24條那想請教一下就是新住民的這個\n\n07:47.493 --> 08:03.606\n定義經過這個新住民基本法通過之後其實它新住民的定義是有擴大來做解釋所以我想了解一下說我們把這個新住民納入救護法二十四條到底我們的身份定義有沒有改變好跟羅恩報告\n\n08:04.626 --> 08:18.597\n確實在民國97年的時候當時其實我們訂了一個對於新住民的就業補助的要點當時那主要是主要的範圍是設定是在他是這個未涉及他有居留但未涉及\n\n08:19.378 --> 08:47.821\n那當然現在在新住民基本法通過之後那現在我們在今年的二月的時候我們把這個新住民在納入的救護法第一項的第十款裡面的這個特定的對象把它納進去以後現在的狀況是不管你有沒有涉及你都可以取得我們比方說雇用的獎助或者是我們職業訓練的這個生活的津貼你都可以有得到這相關我們的幫助所以它的範圍是擴大了\n\n08:49.182 --> 09:03.917\n所以明確的來講我們還是設定是婚姻移民像利用其他比如說專業技術進來的新住民是不適用的嘛新住民配偶就是婚姻移民嘛因為婚姻移民基本上他們都選\n\n09:04.417 --> 09:19.245\n就算是說因為剛我提到就是說新住民剛來到台灣其實他們因為語言的不通所以造成他這個就業其實他是屬於比較弱勢的所以我們有一些比較重要的一些補助比如說我有看到有臨時工作津貼職業訓練生活津貼僱用獎助還有\n\n09:22.447 --> 09:49.563\n求職交通補助金就是在這個新住民的這個促進新住民就業補助作為要點本來就有的一些補助項目嘛那我們現在把這個救福法第二四條納入了新住民就像部長所提到的就是說不管你設不設局你有居留也好或者是入籍也好都可以納入可是只限婚姻移民嘛就是新住民配偶的部分\n\n09:50.343 --> 10:09.629\n那這部分什麼時候要實施?因為那時候2月10號公告的時候有說可能就是3月份的時候會來實施可是到目前為止好像還沒看到好,我們會來盡快我們實施的同時也會把原本那個要點就範圍比較限縮的那個要點會停止使用那我們會來盡快的趕快來把這部分實施所以這個時程大約是今年會通過嗎?\n\n10:10.789 --> 10:25.517\n應該是會對因為對新住民來講就是一個很大的一個進展喔就像過去的話只有補助的是未涉及的新住民現在只要你是有新住民的身份其實當然我們還強調是婚姻移民的部分啦OK好\n\n10:26.417 --> 10:38.851\n好謝謝部長那再來還有呢下一題的話可是也是跟勞動部或是我們內政部其實都有關係那下一題的話我想探討的是這個預期的這個\n\n10:42.795 --> 10:58.113\n應該是說移工啦非法移工的這個部分這問題呢已經討論了非常久了像我們國內的話現在呢預期拘留的這個人口數呢去年其實是突破了14萬人那其中失聯的移工就超過了9萬人\n\n10:59.861 --> 11:20.820\n好那剩下的是什么呢可能就是因为来台湾利用观光签证或其他签证进来然后就不离开留在台湾的所以我们这个预期拘留的人口数是非常高的那相较十年前的话其实我们增加了将近的一倍就造成了一些这个边境管理的一些困难\n\n11:21.440 --> 11:49.873\n那当然国主要重新寻觅这个移工其实也是不方便的那甚至还造成的一些治安的问题比如说像这个毒品炸漆甚至现在更是有充当黑道打手等等的这个治安问题那当然这个合法的这个移工如果说逃逸之后失联之后他就丧失了这个医疗的资源社会福利等等的这个保障那我常常见到很多一些医院的\n\n11:50.553 --> 12:07.582\n像南投地方的一些醫院曾經也跟我澄清過他就說很多這個醫工到了這個醫院因為他並沒有這個合法的身份所以造成就是有一些醫療的一些費用醫院必須自己來承擔成了一些呆帳\n\n12:08.883 --> 12:28.843\n可是基於一些人道的考量因為有時候他醫完病人也就跑掉了你也跟他要不到錢所以醫院也是有產生的一些呆帳等等那像這些當然為什麼會有這麼多的預期的這個拘留的人口我想我們應該可能要從源頭來重新來做思考\n\n12:29.443 --> 12:55.648\n那比如說我們現在引進的制度到底完不完善還有高昂的重借費還有薪資的待遇還有移工的來源國的配合度等等像這些的話可能都會造成這個非法移工的產生因為只要逃獄了他就不用繳交高昂的重借費或者是說他覺得他的工作環境不好所以他就去打黑工那當然所造成的這個問題是非常的複雜那這是台灣長年以來的問題可是我發現\n\n12:58.348 --> 13:26.527\n大家好像都是束手无策源头无法管理那后面呢又产生这么大的这么大量的这个与其的居留人口那当然这个收容的也是一个很大的这个问题那我有看到就是说目前台湾呢只有四个收容所台北宜兰南投跟高雄那这几个收容所呢其实他们的收容量其实都不大像台北收容所\n\n13:27.779 --> 13:45.324\n它只能容纳360人宜兰423南投480高雄450也就是说它最大的收容量四个收容所加起来也就1713人可是我刚才有提到我们的这个运气区域人口有高达14万人你要如何去去化\n\n13:46.204 --> 14:08.225\n如何去去化好源頭無法管理也無法去化那我們這個收到收容所我們最長的收容時間是只有28天就算遣送回國你也就是28天就把錢送回去甚至有些無法遣送因為拿不到他的旅行資料的也有理由證件拿不到可能就沒有辦法就是\n\n14:09.898 --> 14:23.063\n回到他自己的母國可能繼續留在台灣時間到了你還得把他給放出去又造成另外一個社會的問題那我想請教想針對這個收容的這個這部分先請教我們部長\n\n14:24.588 --> 14:46.684\n我們有沒有你看我們的收容所只有四所那我們收容量也只有這麼多那針對這麼大的這個陶藝的這個預期的這居民人口我們要如何去去化這個部分要怎麼處理我知道像很多專情隊就是因為收容不足所以有時候明知道有這個陶藝移工他們也不去處理因為來了沒有辦法收容這個部分我們要怎麼處理\n\n14:49.509 --> 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