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00:01:01,515\n在零一二一的當天主席院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭去而且在上禮拜五的時候也應本席的要求馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案本席在那邊表示感謝這一貸款跟租屋補貼都非常的重要\n\n3\n00:01:02,555 --> 00:01:23,297\n那你也提到不論行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算但是呢給災民的這個補貼樣樣不能少而且提到說要補助零四比照零四零三的這一種精神跟方式那我們當談到補助的部分我們先談災情的比較我想在數字上給院長參考一下\n\n4\n00:01:24,468 --> 00:01:51,494\n因為呢為什麼很多人說為什麼災水那個零一二一的這個部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡但是為什麼污損這麼嚴重主要有75%的這個老屋的存在所以都是老屋比較居多再加上這一次地震的強度我給院長參考一下在花蓮的部分它雖然是7.2度然後\n\n5\n00:01:52,642 --> 00:02:17,968\n0121雖然是6.4度但是就觀測站的數字Gale這個數字來說的話也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分你去看看垂直向的最高的這個數字在南溪國小是569比起花蓮測站的209是兩倍多另外的部分呢以東西向最高的部分的Gale數據南溪的部分是861\n\n6\n00:02:19,793 --> 00:02:30,095\n然後花蓮的部分只有256也就是南溪是花蓮的3.5倍的這種地動加速度再加上呢房子老\n\n7\n00:02:30,936 --> 00:02:44,987\n那老房子又多以至於污損特別的嚴重截至到今天早上我統計的數字紅單的部分有500件黃單的部分是1556件未貼單的部分是2065件總共加起來是4121件的污損4121件面對4121件的污損的部分\n\n8\n00:03:01,001 --> 00:03:15,426\n要如何去處理當然陳金德政委也提到說要希望台南的善款先優先處理但是依照目前為止目前留下來的0206的善款12億其實是不夠的\n\n9\n00:03:19,207 --> 00:03:38,157\n那不夠的原因是這樣如果說你處理黃單跟紅單或許還OK但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話就很困難這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音這是跟院長說明一下一個民間的污損第二個是公共設施的部分\n\n10\n00:03:39,008 --> 00:04:03,030\n公設室的部分呢一個是南西的這個陸陶洋的客家聚落的修繕這個中央部會都去過了第二個是學校的部分是南藝大的這個校舍的修繕大概1.6億南西國中也希望原地重建學校的部分第三個是南西市場的部分的原地重建第四個是四大農會的一個修復的工程\n\n11\n00:04:04,051 --> 00:04:19,983\n而這些公共設施的部分到目前為止就本席所理解也尚未核定那我在這邊說一下那個院長老實說就0403外界的關注度蠻高的他拿到的善款有16萬\n\n12\n00:04:21,499 --> 00:04:39,678\n在零一二一的部分拿到的善款只有五千萬相差許多事實上從政災基金會的網站來看的話我覺得政災基金會到目前為止還是很重視零四零三網頁上還是貼了零四零三上面都沒有零一零二\n\n13\n00:04:40,632 --> 00:05:02,240\n即便0102到目前為止已經快兩個月了這種情況底下我們是不是應該給0121的這個災民更多的溫暖就有兩個部分再比較一下院長其實我統計過你去花蓮看災的部分第一個時間點就到南溪我想大家都有感受到你的溫暖\n\n14\n00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:31,738\n可是相對你去花蓮市災的部分到本席目前統計已經有七次之多你坐火車非常有誠意但是相對來台南你現在只來一次我不是說次數多一定有誠意但是如果時間有的話可能更多會好一點如果可以的話院長這兩部分的請求能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候來做一個核定之後來做一個宣示第一個公共設施的部分我剛剛列舉了那十項\n\n15\n00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:44,970\n第二個的部分呢在台南市立有未待的情況底下在未貼單的部分中央的部分是不是院長可以指示政災基金會能夠多少予以補助讓災民能夠度過這次難關院長請說\n\n16\n00:05:48,398 --> 00:06:07,856\n謝謝委員時間我們一定繼續來安排那0121之後我到了現場但之後總統也到了現場他關懷的速度一定次數一定也比我多那至於說我們跟地方政府包括跟黃市長陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用紅單黃單如何負評\n\n17\n00:06:10,717 --> 00:06:27,241\n住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論那至於剛剛其他的包括學校學校我們也有兩千萬還有另外五百多萬的補助下去另外有一些剛剛列的之外還有江家古厝的文化的一些毀損我們也會另案來做一些補助\n\n18\n00:06:27,779 --> 00:06:52,049\n你做一些必要的修補那另外你提到的那幾個部分客家的部分等等我想都會另案可以再做一個處分院長我在想你應該不會拒絕你應該會同意只是說既然我們要同意合不合定快一點你就下去做個宣示譬如講以南溪國中的時候政委跟我下去現在就合定一部分是評估費用而已\n\n19\n00:06:52,449 --> 00:07:20,029\n那是不是就乾脆就說你就宣布說我就是要原地重建所有費用由中央來出就是這樣子阿沙里一句話就好你就下來宣布一下先把公部門的公共設施做個解決這是其一第二個部分未貼單的部分呢能夠做多少也對外宣布讓大家比較安心能夠趕快恢復生活秩序院長請回答因為這個數量多啊多到這個負評的時間也拉了長現在最接近的數字我剛剛就給你報告了最新的數字就是這樣子\n\n20\n00:07:20,649 --> 00:07:41,430\n然後呢未貼單的部分就2065然後呢黃紅單就2056就是差在這邊而已政委請給委員報告因為台南市政府在2月6號就正式公告對這些的民宅受損的補貼的原則\n\n21\n00:07:44,173 --> 00:07:50,555\n所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的拆除的就是按照徵收條例的\n\n22\n00:07:53,259 --> 00:08:18,226\n這個內容我大概就知道了所以這部分就現在盡速把它評出來對但是它現階段而言紅黃應該都不會有問題是有補助的內容現在argue最多就是未貼單的部分那我比較0403過0403未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款而有那我們正在經費目前就我知道大概還有20幾億之多是不是有可能有餘錯\n\n23\n00:08:19,446 --> 00:08:39,215\n可以給予那個台南市政府在未貼單部分給予幫助因為這個部分其實在政委的時候的主持的這個會議當中也沒有全然的拒絕啦那如果說有這個可能性的話是不是能夠趕快有所訂案讓災民能夠有所移民各位應該是請台南市政府把整個賦品出來\n\n24\n00:08:40,075 --> 00:08:42,918\n不足的部分中央能不能朝向協助的方向先不說金額多少\n\n25\n00:09:01,969 --> 00:09:29,549\n應該要先看那個他整個評出來就我知道部分是不足的政委因為他估計他是原來是用每戶多少而事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小有有那個都有去看那個都有去看其實總體估計起來是不足院長麻煩這部分公部門的部門見早宣布然後私部門的部份見早提出方案各方的數據了解狀況也都相當清楚了那到今天為止剛好經過了對快兩個月了對\n\n26\n00:09:31,810 --> 00:09:57,565\n我們跟主委來商量我們跟地方政府來配合我希望我們在月底之前我們到現場月底之前好謝謝就是整理這句話月底之前慎重提出另外一個部分這個是屬於這個復原的部分還有一個需要復興的部分復興的部分呢0403的部分當初我們中央政府投入對花蓮多重視投入了純五億的徵星方案公關徵星方案\n\n27\n00:09:58,746 --> 00:10:25,315\n但是目前我去中央觀光署要到只有要到兩千萬要到兩千萬也就是說這個區域當中它跟花蓮不是不同只有全然的需要觀光的收入而已它還有需要農業部的農業的收入農業跟觀光署最需要的能不能因地制宜就觀光跟農業的部分來幫這一次零一二一找出一個新的振興方案出來院長\n\n28\n00:10:26,095 --> 00:10:52,744\n我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光但是您也知道東部就是一條路一條公路一條鐵道但是中南部南部我們各種的交通的方式不一定說比照完全比照所以程度是不一樣但是我們會重視完全重視那至於說觀光的產業如果受到這樣大的影響是不是交通部還要再繼續的去對\n\n29\n00:10:54,304 --> 00:11:12,937\n台南甚至嘉義觀光的產業我希望有一個類似於花蓮的一個振興專案出來啦否0121啦所以觀光的部分還有農業部的部分部長在0121的部分我們景區的硬挺並沒有受到太大的影響但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少\n\n30\n00:11:14,958 --> 00:11:37,279\n對,我們會從軟體的部分,也就是活動的部分,我們增加活動的經費,多辦一些活動來引客來吸引客人。交通的運輸沒問題,但是活動如果增加,讓客人多一些進來,這是我們應該要做的。部長,我只是提醒你一下,我相信零星的活動會有,民間也會有,我是希望說我們院裡頭以高度的話,整合成一個類似的振興專案裡頭,讓財民感受到中央政府,\n\n31\n00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:47,749\n的誠意啦我只是希望這樣子不同於花蓮但是也有一個振興方案啦因為我們已經復原了嘛接下來復興嘛我們跟國防署特別來討論這個事情麻煩好不好然後因為這個振興專案之外山區有一些不一樣的地方\n\n32\n00:11:54,375 --> 00:12:10,878\n他有一個古老的問題目前我們已經有做一些長照機構長照機構的部分能不能加速那現在就我知道的部分預算也不足也差了九千萬我就跟院長報告一下請院長回去慎重評估一下是不是長照的這個機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性\n\n33\n00:12:11,198 --> 00:12:37,982\n否則真的搬不出去第三個部分呢裕豐南河院長期以來的一個限制以至於山區沒有辦法發展它現在的用水的定位做一個調整之後呢它將來是有縮編的可能可以帶動這一個山區的地方發展也就是說它的整個振興的部分有三支鍵這三個方式一個呢因為正災來的振興方案二來呢長照機構來因應那些的高齡化的問題\n\n34\n00:12:38,582 --> 00:13:05,930\n山來的部分呢這個整個保護區的一個縮邊也可以帶動山區的發展我請院長回去好好評估一下因為我現在講你可能不能馬上理解請您慎重評估可不可以謝謝委員如果真的影響到長照那是萬萬不得我們一定馬上做處理我們馬上馬上速度做處理那其他的關國元建議的部分我們也會同等重視好的那另外一個部分跟本席選區有所相關那兩位就先請\n\n35\n00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:27,775\n另外一個部分在我們海邊的部分呢花很多時間在做太陽能那過去太陽能當中的這個綠能當中呢其實啊我在去年十月的時候就問過那個郭部長再生能源發展條例十二條之一的部分的執法有關於興建增建義務的這個裝修光電的方向就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加\n\n36\n00:13:28,675 --> 00:13:46,117\n但是呢國務部長在去年也有提到202520MW8MW是屬於屋頂12是屬於地面型的部分的目標延後一年但目前為止地面型因為爭議非常的大只停留在5到6GW而已必須靠屋頂型屋頂型已經達標了\n\n37\n00:13:47,378 --> 00:14:14,366\n可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔這是第一個爭議地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉通常都在農漁村也就是說非人口密集區的部分它承擔了很多政策的負擔七股就是這種例子但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的大概有六成之多他們負擔反而比較少以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性但是\n\n38\n00:14:15,496 --> 00:14:43,356\n這一個最近國土署內政部國土署在2月公布了這個執法建築法設置太陽能光電的這一個標準草案目前還在一個公告期60天的公告期你去看喔它要300坪以上院長300坪以上可以設置光電只有10%而已而這10%當中我還請人家換算起來這300坪的標準來說的話增加裝置的容量大概多少\n\n39\n00:14:44,062 --> 00:15:05,492\n只有0.15基高啊0.15基高啊這個代表沒有實質的效果嘛我們地面型既然已經沒有辦法成長屋頂型已經達標就計畫說屋頂型來補地面型的情況底下你這個又限縮到這種程度怎麼可能達到這個目標呢為了公共設施沒有到300坪你沒有可能達到這個目標啊\n\n40\n00:15:06,252 --> 00:15:33,315\n更何況將來你如果又透過金融機構又落實ESG的責任的可能性更加不可能嘛所以現在在法令公告期的情況底下我們如果說像國務部長所說的2025的目標要延到2026我跟你講你2026這個目標一樣會再延啦一樣沒有辦法達到啦會變成這種結果院長這怎麼辦啊報告委員我們就是朝著這個不延期的這個目標努力\n\n41\n00:15:39,459 --> 00:15:43,064\n實際上實用狀況對呀不教學不上課就是頂點的用膝蓋都好一點這咋子謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17202\t21383\t主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好院長好院長本期這次的總質詢首先要為這次零一二一地震的災民請願\n39386\t61515\t在零一二一的當天主席院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭去而且在上禮拜五的時候也應本席的要求馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案本席在那邊表示感謝這一貸款跟租屋補貼都非常的重要\n62555\t83297\t那你也提到不論行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算但是呢給災民的這個補貼樣樣不能少而且提到說要補助零四比照零四零三的這一種精神跟方式那我們當談到補助的部分我們先談災情的比較我想在數字上給院長參考一下\n84468\t111494\t因為呢 為什麼很多人說為什麼災水那個零一二一的這個部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡但是為什麼污損這麼嚴重主要有75%的這個老屋的存在所以都是老屋比較居多再加上這一次地震的強度我給院長參考一下在花蓮的部分它雖然是7.2度然後\n112642\t137968\t0121雖然是6.4度但是就觀測站的數字Gale這個數字來說的話也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分你去看看垂直向的最高的這個數字在南溪國小是569比起花蓮測站的209是兩倍多另外的部分呢以東西向最高的部分的Gale數據南溪的部分是861\n139793\t150095\t然後花蓮的部分只有256也就是南溪是花蓮的3.5倍的這種地動加速度再加上呢 房子老\n150936\t164987\t那老房子又多以至於污損特別的嚴重截至到今天早上我統計的數字紅單的部分有500件黃單的部分是1556件未貼單的部分是2065件總共加起來是4121件的污損4121件面對4121件的污損的部分\n181001\t195426\t要如何去處理當然陳金德政委也提到說要希望台南的善款先優先處理但是依照目前為止目前留下來的0206的善款12億其實是不夠的\n199207\t218157\t那不夠的原因是這樣如果說你處理黃單跟紅單或許還OK但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話就很困難這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音這是跟院長說明一下一個民間的污損第二個是公共設施的部分\n219008\t243030\t公設室的部分呢一個是南西的這個陸陶洋的客家聚落的修繕這個中央部會都去過了第二個是學校的部分是南藝大的這個校舍的修繕大概1.6億南西國中也希望原地重建學校的部分第三個是南西市場的部分的原地重建第四個是四大農會的一個修復的工程\n244051\t259983\t而這些公共設施的部分到目前為止就本席所理解也尚未核定那我在這邊說一下那個院長老實說就0403外界的關注度蠻高的他拿到的善款有16萬\n261499\t279678\t在零一二一的部分拿到的善款只有五千萬相差許多事實上從政災基金會的網站來看的話我覺得政災基金會到目前為止還是很重視零四零三網頁上還是貼了零四零三上面都沒有零一零二\n280632\t302240\t即便0102到目前為止已經快兩個月了這種情況底下我們是不是應該給0121的這個災民更多的溫暖就有兩個部分再比較一下院長其實我統計過你去花蓮看災的部分第一個時間點就到南溪我想大家都有感受到你的溫暖\n303280\t331738\t可是相對你去花蓮市災的部分到本席目前統計已經有七次之多你坐火車非常有誠意但是相對來台南你現在只來一次我不是說次數多一定有誠意但是如果時間有的話可能更多會好一點如果可以的話院長這兩部分的請求能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候來做一個核定之後來做一個宣示第一個公共設施的部分我剛剛列舉了那十項\n332839\t344970\t第二個的部分呢在台南市立有未待的情況底下在未貼單的部分中央的部分是不是院長可以指示政災基金會能夠多少予以補助讓災民能夠度過這次難關院長請說\n348398\t367856\t謝謝委員時間我們一定繼續來安排那0121之後我到了現場但之後總統也到了現場他關懷的速度一定次數一定也比我多那至於說我們跟地方政府包括跟黃市長陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用紅單黃單如何負評\n370717\t387241\t住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論那至於剛剛其他的包括學校學校我們也有兩千萬還有另外五百多萬的補助下去另外有一些剛剛列的之外還有江家古厝的文化的一些毀損我們也會另案來做一些補助\n387779\t412049\t你做一些必要的修補那另外你提到的那幾個部分客家的部分等等我想都會另案可以再做一個處分院長我在想你應該不會拒絕你應該會同意只是說既然我們要同意 合不合定快一點你就下去做個宣示譬如講以南溪國中的時候 政委跟我下去現在就合定一部分是評估費用而已\n412449\t440029\t那是不是就乾脆就說你就宣布說我就是要原地重建所有費用由中央來出就是這樣子阿沙里一句話就好你就下來宣布一下先把公部門的公共設施做個解決這是其一第二個部分未貼單的部分呢能夠做多少也對外宣布讓大家比較安心能夠趕快恢復生活秩序院長請回答因為這個數量多啊多到這個負評的時間也拉了長現在最接近的數字我剛剛就給你報告了最新的數字就是這樣子\n440649\t461430\t然後呢未貼單的部分就2065然後呢黃紅單就2056就是差在這邊而已政委請給委員報告因為台南市政府在2月6號就正式公告對這些的民宅受損的補貼的原則\n464173\t470555\t所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的拆除的就是按照徵收條例的\n473259\t498226\t這個內容我大概就知道了所以這部分就現在盡速把它評出來對 但是它現階段而言紅黃應該都不會有問題是有補助的內容現在argue最多就是未貼單的部分那我比較0403過0403未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款而有那我們正在經費目前就我知道大概還有20幾億之多是不是有可能有餘錯\n499446\t519215\t可以給予那個台南市政府在未貼單部分給予幫助因為這個部分其實在政委的時候的主持的這個會議當中也沒有全然的拒絕啦那如果說有這個可能性的話是不是能夠趕快有所訂案讓災民能夠有所移民各位應該是請台南市政府把整個賦品出來\n520075\t522918\t不足的部分中央能不能朝向協助的方向先不說金額多少\n541969\t569549\t應該要先看那個他整個評出來就我知道部分是不足的政委因為他估計他是原來是用每戶多少而事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小有有那個都有去看那個都有去看其實總體估計起來是不足院長麻煩這部分公部門的部門見早宣布然後私部門的部份見早提出方案各方的數據了解狀況也都相當清楚了那到今天為止剛好經過了對快兩個月了對\n571810\t597565\t我們跟主委來商量 我們跟地方政府來配合我希望我們在月底之前我們到現場 月底之前 好 謝謝就是整理這句話 月底之前 慎重提出另外一個部分 這個是屬於這個復原的部分 還有一個需要復興的部分復興的部分呢 0403的部分 當初我們中央政府投入對花蓮多重視投入了純五億的徵星方案 公關徵星方案\n598746\t625315\t但是目前我去中央觀光署要到只有要到兩千萬要到兩千萬也就是說這個區域當中它跟花蓮不是不同只有全然的需要觀光的收入而已它還有需要農業部的農業的收入農業跟觀光署最需要的能不能因地制宜就觀光跟農業的部分來幫這一次零一二一找出一個新的振興方案出來院長\n626095\t652744\t我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光但是您也知道東部就是一條路一條公路一條鐵道但是中南部南部我們各種的交通的方式不一定說比照完全比照所以程度是不一樣但是我們會重視完全重視那至於說觀光的產業如果受到這樣大的影響是不是交通部還要再繼續的去對\n654304\t672937\t台南甚至嘉義觀光的產業我希望有一個類似於花蓮的一個振興專案出來啦否0121啦所以觀光的部分還有農業部的部分部長在0121的部分我們景區的硬挺並沒有受到太大的影響但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少\n674958\t697279\t對,我們會從軟體的部分,也就是活動的部分,我們增加活動的經費,多辦一些活動來引客來吸引客人。交通的運輸沒問題,但是活動如果增加,讓客人多一些進來,這是我們應該要做的。部長,我只是提醒你一下,我相信零星的活動會有,民間也會有,我是希望說我們院裡頭以高度的話,整合成一個類似的振興專案裡頭,讓財民感受到中央政府,\n697839\t707749\t的誠意啦我只是希望這樣子不同於花蓮但是也有一個振興方案啦因為我們已經復原了嘛接下來復興嘛我們跟國防署特別來討論這個事情麻煩好不好然後因為這個振興專案之外山區有一些不一樣的地方\n714375\t730878\t他有一個古老的問題目前我們已經有做一些長照機構長照機構的部分能不能加速那現在就我知道的部分預算也不足也差了九千萬我就跟院長報告一下請院長回去慎重評估一下是不是長照的這個機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性\n731198\t757982\t否則真的搬不出去第三個部分呢裕豐南河院長期以來的一個限制以至於山區沒有辦法發展它現在的用水的定位做一個調整之後呢它將來是有縮編的可能可以帶動這一個山區的地方發展也就是說它的整個振興的部分有三支鍵這三個方式一個呢因為正災來的振興方案二來呢長照機構來因應那些的高齡化的問題\n758582\t785930\t山來的部分呢這個整個保護區的一個縮邊也可以帶動山區的發展我請院長回去好好評估一下因為我現在講你可能不能馬上理解請您慎重評估可不可以謝謝委員如果真的影響到長照那是萬萬不得我們一定馬上做處理我們馬上馬上速度做處理那其他的關國元建議的部分我們也會同等重視好的那另外一個部分跟本席選區有所相關那兩位就先請\n787190\t807775\t另外一個部分在我們海邊的部分呢花很多時間在做太陽能那過去太陽能當中的這個綠能當中呢其實啊我在去年十月的時候就問過那個郭部長再生能源發展條例十二條之一的部分的執法有關於興建增建義務的這個裝修光電的方向就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加\n808675\t826117\t但是呢 國務部長在去年也有提到2025 20MW 8MW是屬於屋頂12是屬於地面型的部分的目標延後一年但目前為止地面型因為爭議非常的大只停留在5到6GW而已必須靠屋頂型 屋頂型已經達標了\n827378\t854366\t可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔這是第一個爭議地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉通常都在農漁村也就是說非人口密集區的部分它承擔了很多政策的負擔七股就是這種例子但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的大概有六成之多他們負擔反而比較少以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性但是\n855496\t883356\t這一個最近國土署內政部國土署在2月公布了這個執法建築法設置太陽能光電的這一個標準草案目前還在一個公告期60天的公告期你去看喔它要300坪以上 院長300坪以上可以設置光電只有10%而已而這10%當中我還請人家換算起來這300坪的標準來說的話增加裝置的容量大概多少\n884062\t905492\t只有0.15基高啊0.15基高啊這個代表沒有實質的效果嘛我們地面型既然已經沒有辦法成長屋頂型已經達標就計畫說屋頂型來補地面型的情況底下你這個又限縮到這種程度怎麼可能達到這個目標呢為了公共設施沒有到300坪你沒有可能達到這個目標啊\n906252\t933315\t更何況將來你如果又透過金融機構又落實ESG的責任的可能性更加不可能嘛所以現在在法令公告期的情況底下我們如果說像國務部長所說的2025的目標要延到2026我跟你講你2026這個目標一樣會再延啦一樣沒有辦法達到啦會變成這種結果 院長這怎麼辦啊報告委員我們就是朝著這個不延期的這個目標努力\n939459\t943064\t實際上實用狀況對呀不教學不上課就是頂點的用膝蓋都好一點這咋子謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好院長好院長本期這次的總質詢首先要為這次零一二一地震的災民請願\n在零一二一的當天主席院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭去而且在上禮拜五的時候也應本席的要求馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案本席在那邊表示感謝這一貸款跟租屋補貼都非常的重要\n那你也提到不論行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算但是呢給災民的這個補貼樣樣不能少而且提到說要補助零四比照零四零三的這一種精神跟方式那我們當談到補助的部分我們先談災情的比較我想在數字上給院長參考一下\n因為呢 為什麼很多人說為什麼災水那個零一二一的這個部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡但是為什麼污損這麼嚴重主要有75%的這個老屋的存在所以都是老屋比較居多再加上這一次地震的強度我給院長參考一下在花蓮的部分它雖然是7.2度然後\n0121雖然是6.4度但是就觀測站的數字Gale這個數字來說的話也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分你去看看垂直向的最高的這個數字在南溪國小是569比起花蓮測站的209是兩倍多另外的部分呢以東西向最高的部分的Gale數據南溪的部分是861\n然後花蓮的部分只有256也就是南溪是花蓮的3.5倍的這種地動加速度再加上呢 房子老\n那老房子又多以至於污損特別的嚴重截至到今天早上我統計的數字紅單的部分有500件黃單的部分是1556件未貼單的部分是2065件總共加起來是4121件的污損4121件面對4121件的污損的部分\n要如何去處理當然陳金德政委也提到說要希望台南的善款先優先處理但是依照目前為止目前留下來的0206的善款12億其實是不夠的\n那不夠的原因是這樣如果說你處理黃單跟紅單或許還OK但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話就很困難這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音這是跟院長說明一下一個民間的污損第二個是公共設施的部分\n公設室的部分呢一個是南西的這個陸陶洋的客家聚落的修繕這個中央部會都去過了第二個是學校的部分是南藝大的這個校舍的修繕大概1.6億南西國中也希望原地重建學校的部分第三個是南西市場的部分的原地重建第四個是四大農會的一個修復的工程\n而這些公共設施的部分到目前為止就本席所理解也尚未核定那我在這邊說一下那個院長老實說就0403外界的關注度蠻高的他拿到的善款有16萬\n在零一二一的部分拿到的善款只有五千萬相差許多事實上從政災基金會的網站來看的話我覺得政災基金會到目前為止還是很重視零四零三網頁上還是貼了零四零三上面都沒有零一零二\n即便0102到目前為止已經快兩個月了這種情況底下我們是不是應該給0121的這個災民更多的溫暖就有兩個部分再比較一下院長其實我統計過你去花蓮看災的部分第一個時間點就到南溪我想大家都有感受到你的溫暖\n可是相對你去花蓮市災的部分到本席目前統計已經有七次之多你坐火車非常有誠意但是相對來台南你現在只來一次我不是說次數多一定有誠意但是如果時間有的話可能更多會好一點如果可以的話院長這兩部分的請求能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候來做一個核定之後來做一個宣示第一個公共設施的部分我剛剛列舉了那十項\n第二個的部分呢在台南市立有未待的情況底下在未貼單的部分中央的部分是不是院長可以指示政災基金會能夠多少予以補助讓災民能夠度過這次難關院長請說\n謝謝委員時間我們一定繼續來安排那0121之後我到了現場但之後總統也到了現場他關懷的速度一定次數一定也比我多那至於說我們跟地方政府包括跟黃市長陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用紅單黃單如何負評\n住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論那至於剛剛其他的包括學校學校我們也有兩千萬還有另外五百多萬的補助下去另外有一些剛剛列的之外還有江家古厝的文化的一些毀損我們也會另案來做一些補助\n你做一些必要的修補那另外你提到的那幾個部分客家的部分等等我想都會另案可以再做一個處分院長我在想你應該不會拒絕你應該會同意只是說既然我們要同意 合不合定快一點你就下去做個宣示譬如講以南溪國中的時候 政委跟我下去現在就合定一部分是評估費用而已\n那是不是就乾脆就說你就宣布說我就是要原地重建所有費用由中央來出就是這樣子阿沙里一句話就好你就下來宣布一下先把公部門的公共設施做個解決這是其一第二個部分未貼單的部分呢能夠做多少也對外宣布讓大家比較安心能夠趕快恢復生活秩序院長請回答因為這個數量多啊多到這個負評的時間也拉了長現在最接近的數字我剛剛就給你報告了最新的數字就是這樣子\n然後呢未貼單的部分就2065然後呢黃紅單就2056就是差在這邊而已政委請給委員報告因為台南市政府在2月6號就正式公告對這些的民宅受損的補貼的原則\n所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的拆除的就是按照徵收條例的\n這個內容我大概就知道了所以這部分就現在盡速把它評出來對 但是它現階段而言紅黃應該都不會有問題是有補助的內容現在argue最多就是未貼單的部分那我比較0403過0403未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款而有那我們正在經費目前就我知道大概還有20幾億之多是不是有可能有餘錯\n可以給予那個台南市政府在未貼單部分給予幫助因為這個部分其實在政委的時候的主持的這個會議當中也沒有全然的拒絕啦那如果說有這個可能性的話是不是能夠趕快有所訂案讓災民能夠有所移民各位應該是請台南市政府把整個賦品出來\n不足的部分中央能不能朝向協助的方向先不說金額多少\n應該要先看那個他整個評出來就我知道部分是不足的政委因為他估計他是原來是用每戶多少而事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小有有那個都有去看那個都有去看其實總體估計起來是不足院長麻煩這部分公部門的部門見早宣布然後私部門的部份見早提出方案各方的數據了解狀況也都相當清楚了那到今天為止剛好經過了對快兩個月了對\n我們跟主委來商量 我們跟地方政府來配合我希望我們在月底之前我們到現場 月底之前 好 謝謝就是整理這句話 月底之前 慎重提出另外一個部分 這個是屬於這個復原的部分 還有一個需要復興的部分復興的部分呢 0403的部分 當初我們中央政府投入對花蓮多重視投入了純五億的徵星方案 公關徵星方案\n但是目前我去中央觀光署要到只有要到兩千萬要到兩千萬也就是說這個區域當中它跟花蓮不是不同只有全然的需要觀光的收入而已它還有需要農業部的農業的收入農業跟觀光署最需要的能不能因地制宜就觀光跟農業的部分來幫這一次零一二一找出一個新的振興方案出來院長\n我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光但是您也知道東部就是一條路一條公路一條鐵道但是中南部南部我們各種的交通的方式不一定說比照完全比照所以程度是不一樣但是我們會重視完全重視那至於說觀光的產業如果受到這樣大的影響是不是交通部還要再繼續的去對\n台南甚至嘉義觀光的產業我希望有一個類似於花蓮的一個振興專案出來啦否0121啦所以觀光的部分還有農業部的部分部長在0121的部分我們景區的硬挺並沒有受到太大的影響但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少\n對,我們會從軟體的部分,也就是活動的部分,我們增加活動的經費,多辦一些活動來引客來吸引客人。交通的運輸沒問題,但是活動如果增加,讓客人多一些進來,這是我們應該要做的。部長,我只是提醒你一下,我相信零星的活動會有,民間也會有,我是希望說我們院裡頭以高度的話,整合成一個類似的振興專案裡頭,讓財民感受到中央政府,\n的誠意啦我只是希望這樣子不同於花蓮但是也有一個振興方案啦因為我們已經復原了嘛接下來復興嘛我們跟國防署特別來討論這個事情麻煩好不好然後因為這個振興專案之外山區有一些不一樣的地方\n他有一個古老的問題目前我們已經有做一些長照機構長照機構的部分能不能加速那現在就我知道的部分預算也不足也差了九千萬我就跟院長報告一下請院長回去慎重評估一下是不是長照的這個機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性\n否則真的搬不出去第三個部分呢裕豐南河院長期以來的一個限制以至於山區沒有辦法發展它現在的用水的定位做一個調整之後呢它將來是有縮編的可能可以帶動這一個山區的地方發展也就是說它的整個振興的部分有三支鍵這三個方式一個呢因為正災來的振興方案二來呢長照機構來因應那些的高齡化的問題\n山來的部分呢這個整個保護區的一個縮邊也可以帶動山區的發展我請院長回去好好評估一下因為我現在講你可能不能馬上理解請您慎重評估可不可以謝謝委員如果真的影響到長照那是萬萬不得我們一定馬上做處理我們馬上馬上速度做處理那其他的關國元建議的部分我們也會同等重視好的那另外一個部分跟本席選區有所相關那兩位就先請\n另外一個部分在我們海邊的部分呢花很多時間在做太陽能那過去太陽能當中的這個綠能當中呢其實啊我在去年十月的時候就問過那個郭部長再生能源發展條例十二條之一的部分的執法有關於興建增建義務的這個裝修光電的方向就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加\n但是呢 國務部長在去年也有提到2025 20MW 8MW是屬於屋頂12是屬於地面型的部分的目標延後一年但目前為止地面型因為爭議非常的大只停留在5到6GW而已必須靠屋頂型 屋頂型已經達標了\n可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔這是第一個爭議地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉通常都在農漁村也就是說非人口密集區的部分它承擔了很多政策的負擔七股就是這種例子但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的大概有六成之多他們負擔反而比較少以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性但是\n這一個最近國土署內政部國土署在2月公布了這個執法建築法設置太陽能光電的這一個標準草案目前還在一個公告期60天的公告期你去看喔它要300坪以上 院長300坪以上可以設置光電只有10%而已而這10%當中我還請人家換算起來這300坪的標準來說的話增加裝置的容量大概多少\n只有0.15基高啊0.15基高啊這個代表沒有實質的效果嘛我們地面型既然已經沒有辦法成長屋頂型已經達標就計畫說屋頂型來補地面型的情況底下你這個又限縮到這種程度怎麼可能達到這個目標呢為了公共設施沒有到300坪你沒有可能達到這個目標啊\n更何況將來你如果又透過金融機構又落實ESG的責任的可能性更加不可能嘛所以現在在法令公告期的情況底下我們如果說像國務部長所說的2025的目標要延到2026我跟你講你2026這個目標一樣會再延啦一樣沒有辦法達到啦會變成這種結果 院長這怎麼辦啊報告委員我們就是朝著這個不延期的這個目標努力\n實際上實用狀況對呀不教學不上課就是頂點的用膝蓋都好一點這咋子謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.202 --> 00:21.383\n主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長好院長好院長本期這次的總質詢首先要為這次零一二一地震的災民請願\n\n00:39.386 --> 01:01.515\n在零一二一的當天主席院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭去而且在上禮拜五的時候也應本席的要求馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案本席在那邊表示感謝這一貸款跟租屋補貼都非常的重要\n\n01:02.555 --> 01:23.297\n那你也提到不論行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算但是呢給災民的這個補貼樣樣不能少而且提到說要補助零四比照零四零三的這一種精神跟方式那我們當談到補助的部分我們先談災情的比較我想在數字上給院長參考一下\n\n01:24.468 --> 01:51.494\n因為呢為什麼很多人說為什麼災水那個零一二一的這個部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡但是為什麼污損這麼嚴重主要有75%的這個老屋的存在所以都是老屋比較居多再加上這一次地震的強度我給院長參考一下在花蓮的部分它雖然是7.2度然後\n\n01:52.642 --> 02:17.968\n0121雖然是6.4度但是就觀測站的數字Gale這個數字來說的話也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分你去看看垂直向的最高的這個數字在南溪國小是569比起花蓮測站的209是兩倍多另外的部分呢以東西向最高的部分的Gale數據南溪的部分是861\n\n02:19.793 --> 02:30.095\n然後花蓮的部分只有256也就是南溪是花蓮的3.5倍的這種地動加速度再加上呢房子老\n\n02:30.936 --> 02:44.987\n那老房子又多以至於污損特別的嚴重截至到今天早上我統計的數字紅單的部分有500件黃單的部分是1556件未貼單的部分是2065件總共加起來是4121件的污損4121件面對4121件的污損的部分\n\n03:01.001 --> 03:15.426\n要如何去處理當然陳金德政委也提到說要希望台南的善款先優先處理但是依照目前為止目前留下來的0206的善款12億其實是不夠的\n\n03:19.207 --> 03:38.157\n那不夠的原因是這樣如果說你處理黃單跟紅單或許還OK但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話就很困難這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音這是跟院長說明一下一個民間的污損第二個是公共設施的部分\n\n03:39.008 --> 04:03.030\n公設室的部分呢一個是南西的這個陸陶洋的客家聚落的修繕這個中央部會都去過了第二個是學校的部分是南藝大的這個校舍的修繕大概1.6億南西國中也希望原地重建學校的部分第三個是南西市場的部分的原地重建第四個是四大農會的一個修復的工程\n\n04:04.051 --> 04:19.983\n而這些公共設施的部分到目前為止就本席所理解也尚未核定那我在這邊說一下那個院長老實說就0403外界的關注度蠻高的他拿到的善款有16萬\n\n04:21.499 --> 04:39.678\n在零一二一的部分拿到的善款只有五千萬相差許多事實上從政災基金會的網站來看的話我覺得政災基金會到目前為止還是很重視零四零三網頁上還是貼了零四零三上面都沒有零一零二\n\n04:40.632 --> 05:02.240\n即便0102到目前為止已經快兩個月了這種情況底下我們是不是應該給0121的這個災民更多的溫暖就有兩個部分再比較一下院長其實我統計過你去花蓮看災的部分第一個時間點就到南溪我想大家都有感受到你的溫暖\n\n05:03.280 --> 05:31.738\n可是相對你去花蓮市災的部分到本席目前統計已經有七次之多你坐火車非常有誠意但是相對來台南你現在只來一次我不是說次數多一定有誠意但是如果時間有的話可能更多會好一點如果可以的話院長這兩部分的請求能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候來做一個核定之後來做一個宣示第一個公共設施的部分我剛剛列舉了那十項\n\n05:32.839 --> 05:44.970\n第二個的部分呢在台南市立有未待的情況底下在未貼單的部分中央的部分是不是院長可以指示政災基金會能夠多少予以補助讓災民能夠度過這次難關院長請說\n\n05:48.398 --> 06:07.856\n謝謝委員時間我們一定繼續來安排那0121之後我到了現場但之後總統也到了現場他關懷的速度一定次數一定也比我多那至於說我們跟地方政府包括跟黃市長陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用紅單黃單如何負評\n\n06:10.717 --> 06:27.241\n住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論那至於剛剛其他的包括學校學校我們也有兩千萬還有另外五百多萬的補助下去另外有一些剛剛列的之外還有江家古厝的文化的一些毀損我們也會另案來做一些補助\n\n06:27.779 --> 06:52.049\n你做一些必要的修補那另外你提到的那幾個部分客家的部分等等我想都會另案可以再做一個處分院長我在想你應該不會拒絕你應該會同意只是說既然我們要同意合不合定快一點你就下去做個宣示譬如講以南溪國中的時候政委跟我下去現在就合定一部分是評估費用而已\n\n06:52.449 --> 07:20.029\n那是不是就乾脆就說你就宣布說我就是要原地重建所有費用由中央來出就是這樣子阿沙里一句話就好你就下來宣布一下先把公部門的公共設施做個解決這是其一第二個部分未貼單的部分呢能夠做多少也對外宣布讓大家比較安心能夠趕快恢復生活秩序院長請回答因為這個數量多啊多到這個負評的時間也拉了長現在最接近的數字我剛剛就給你報告了最新的數字就是這樣子\n\n07:20.649 --> 07:41.430\n然後呢未貼單的部分就2065然後呢黃紅單就2056就是差在這邊而已政委請給委員報告因為台南市政府在2月6號就正式公告對這些的民宅受損的補貼的原則\n\n07:44.173 --> 07:50.555\n所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的拆除的就是按照徵收條例的\n\n07:53.259 --> 08:18.226\n這個內容我大概就知道了所以這部分就現在盡速把它評出來對但是它現階段而言紅黃應該都不會有問題是有補助的內容現在argue最多就是未貼單的部分那我比較0403過0403未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款而有那我們正在經費目前就我知道大概還有20幾億之多是不是有可能有餘錯\n\n08:19.446 --> 08:39.215\n可以給予那個台南市政府在未貼單部分給予幫助因為這個部分其實在政委的時候的主持的這個會議當中也沒有全然的拒絕啦那如果說有這個可能性的話是不是能夠趕快有所訂案讓災民能夠有所移民各位應該是請台南市政府把整個賦品出來\n\n08:40.075 --> 08:42.918\n不足的部分中央能不能朝向協助的方向先不說金額多少\n\n09:01.969 --> 09:29.549\n應該要先看那個他整個評出來就我知道部分是不足的政委因為他估計他是原來是用每戶多少而事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小有有那個都有去看那個都有去看其實總體估計起來是不足院長麻煩這部分公部門的部門見早宣布然後私部門的部份見早提出方案各方的數據了解狀況也都相當清楚了那到今天為止剛好經過了對快兩個月了對\n\n09:31.810 --> 09:57.565\n我們跟主委來商量我們跟地方政府來配合我希望我們在月底之前我們到現場月底之前好謝謝就是整理這句話月底之前慎重提出另外一個部分這個是屬於這個復原的部分還有一個需要復興的部分復興的部分呢0403的部分當初我們中央政府投入對花蓮多重視投入了純五億的徵星方案公關徵星方案\n\n09:58.746 --> 10:25.315\n但是目前我去中央觀光署要到只有要到兩千萬要到兩千萬也就是說這個區域當中它跟花蓮不是不同只有全然的需要觀光的收入而已它還有需要農業部的農業的收入農業跟觀光署最需要的能不能因地制宜就觀光跟農業的部分來幫這一次零一二一找出一個新的振興方案出來院長\n\n10:26.095 --> 10:52.744\n我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光但是您也知道東部就是一條路一條公路一條鐵道但是中南部南部我們各種的交通的方式不一定說比照完全比照所以程度是不一樣但是我們會重視完全重視那至於說觀光的產業如果受到這樣大的影響是不是交通部還要再繼續的去對\n\n10:54.304 --> 11:12.937\n台南甚至嘉義觀光的產業我希望有一個類似於花蓮的一個振興專案出來啦否0121啦所以觀光的部分還有農業部的部分部長在0121的部分我們景區的硬挺並沒有受到太大的影響但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少\n\n11:14.958 --> 11:37.279\n對,我們會從軟體的部分,也就是活動的部分,我們增加活動的經費,多辦一些活動來引客來吸引客人。交通的運輸沒問題,但是活動如果增加,讓客人多一些進來,這是我們應該要做的。部長,我只是提醒你一下,我相信零星的活動會有,民間也會有,我是希望說我們院裡頭以高度的話,整合成一個類似的振興專案裡頭,讓財民感受到中央政府,\n\n11:37.839 --> 11:47.749\n的誠意啦我只是希望這樣子不同於花蓮但是也有一個振興方案啦因為我們已經復原了嘛接下來復興嘛我們跟國防署特別來討論這個事情麻煩好不好然後因為這個振興專案之外山區有一些不一樣的地方\n\n11:54.375 --> 12:10.878\n他有一個古老的問題目前我們已經有做一些長照機構長照機構的部分能不能加速那現在就我知道的部分預算也不足也差了九千萬我就跟院長報告一下請院長回去慎重評估一下是不是長照的這個機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性\n\n12:11.198 --> 12:37.982\n否則真的搬不出去第三個部分呢裕豐南河院長期以來的一個限制以至於山區沒有辦法發展它現在的用水的定位做一個調整之後呢它將來是有縮編的可能可以帶動這一個山區的地方發展也就是說它的整個振興的部分有三支鍵這三個方式一個呢因為正災來的振興方案二來呢長照機構來因應那些的高齡化的問題\n\n12:38.582 --> 13:05.930\n山來的部分呢這個整個保護區的一個縮邊也可以帶動山區的發展我請院長回去好好評估一下因為我現在講你可能不能馬上理解請您慎重評估可不可以謝謝委員如果真的影響到長照那是萬萬不得我們一定馬上做處理我們馬上馬上速度做處理那其他的關國元建議的部分我們也會同等重視好的那另外一個部分跟本席選區有所相關那兩位就先請\n\n13:07.190 --> 13:27.775\n另外一個部分在我們海邊的部分呢花很多時間在做太陽能那過去太陽能當中的這個綠能當中呢其實啊我在去年十月的時候就問過那個郭部長再生能源發展條例十二條之一的部分的執法有關於興建增建義務的這個裝修光電的方向就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加\n\n13:28.675 --> 13:46.117\n但是呢國務部長在去年也有提到202520MW8MW是屬於屋頂12是屬於地面型的部分的目標延後一年但目前為止地面型因為爭議非常的大只停留在5到6GW而已必須靠屋頂型屋頂型已經達標了\n\n13:47.378 --> 14:14.366\n可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔這是第一個爭議地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉通常都在農漁村也就是說非人口密集區的部分它承擔了很多政策的負擔七股就是這種例子但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的大概有六成之多他們負擔反而比較少以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性但是\n\n14:15.496 --> 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院長這怎麼辦啊報告委員我們就是朝著這個不延期的這個目標努力"},{"start":939.459,"end":943.064,"text":"實際上實用狀況對呀不教學不上課就是頂點的用膝蓋都好一點這咋子謝謝謝謝委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":371,"blocks":[["郭委員國文：（16時5分）主席，有請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：郭委員好。"],["郭委員國文：院長好。院長，本席這一次的總質詢首先要為這一次0121地震的災民請願，在0121當天，院長第一個時間點就馬上到災區裡頭，而且在上禮拜五的時候，也應本席的要求，馬上同意了住宅的補貼方案，本席在這邊表示感謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：應該的。"],["郭委員國文：低利貸款跟租屋補貼都非常地重要，你也提到不論是行政院或立法院怎麼審查預算，但是給災民的補貼樣樣不能少，而且也提到要比照0403的精神跟方式。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["郭委員國文：當談到補助的部分，我們先談災情的比較，我想數字上給院長參考一下，很多人說為什麼0121的部分看起來好像沒有什麼太多的傷亡，但是為什麼屋損這麼嚴重，主要有75%的老屋存在，不是「土角厝」，就是「土瓦厝」，所以都是老屋比較居多。再加上這一次地震的強度，我給院長參考一下，在花蓮的部分是7.2，0121雖然是6.4，但是就觀測站的Gal數字來說，也就是所謂的地動加速度的部分，你去看看垂直向最高的數字，在楠西國小是569，比起花蓮測站的209，是兩倍多；另外，以東西向最高部分的Gal數據，楠西的部分是861，然後花蓮的部分只有256，也就是楠西是花蓮3.5倍的地動加速度，再加上房子老，老房子又多，以至於屋損特別地嚴重，截至到今天早上我統計的數字，紅單的部分有500件，黃單的部分是1,556件，未貼單的部分是2,065件，總共加起來是4,121件的屋損，面對4,121件屋損的部分要如何去處理？當然陳金德政委也提到，希望臺南的善款先優先處理，但是依照目前為止所留下來0206的善款12億，其實是不夠的；不夠的原因是這樣，如果說你處理黃單跟紅單，或許還OK，但是如果把未貼單的部分算下去的話，就很困難，這是目前為止我聽到最多的聲音，這跟院長說明一下，一個是民間的屋損。第二個是公共設施的部分，一個是楠西鹿陶洋客家聚落的修繕，這個中央部會都去過了；第二個是學校的部分，南藝大校舍的修繕大概1.6億，楠西國中也希望原地重建，這是學校的部分；第三個是楠西市場部分的原地重建；第四個是四大農會的修復工程，而這些公共設施的部分，到目前為止，就本席所理解也尚未核定。","我在這邊說一下，院長，老實說0403受外界的關注度滿高的，拿到的善款有16億；在0121的部分，拿到善款只有5,000萬，相差許多。事實上，從震災基金會的網站來看的話，我覺得震災基金會到目前為止還是很重視0403，網頁上還是貼著0403，上面都沒有0121，即便0121到目前為止，已經快兩個月了，在這種情況底下，我們是不是應該給0121的災民更多溫暖？就有兩個部分再比較一下，院長，其實我統計過，你第一個時間點就到楠西，我想大家都感受到你的溫暖，可是相對你去花蓮視災的部分，照本席目前統計已經有7次之多，你坐火車，非常有誠意，但是相對來臺南，你現在只來1次，我不是說次數多一定有誠意，但是如果時間有的話，可能更多會好一點，如果可以的話，院長，這兩部分的請求，能不能請院長有機會來南部的時候，核定之後來做一個宣示？第一個公共設施的部分，我剛剛列舉了那4項；第二個部分，在臺南市力有未逮的情況底下，在未貼單的部分，中央的部分是不是院長可以指示賑災基金會能夠多少予以補助，讓災民能夠度過這次難關？院長，請說。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員，時間我們一定繼續來安排，0121之後我到了現場，但之後總統也到了現場，他關懷的次數一定也比我多。至於說我們跟地方政府，包括跟黃市長，陳主委跟黃市長一直就善款如何使用，紅單、黃單如何複評，住宅的部分有一直做相當多的討論。至於剛剛其他的，包括學校，我們也有2,000萬，還有另外五百多萬的補助下去；另外有一些剛剛列的之外，還有江家古厝文化的一些毀損，我們也會另案來做一些必要的修補；另外你提到的那幾個部分，像客家的部分等等，我想都會另案可以再做一個處分。"],["郭委員國文：院長，我在想你應該不會拒絕，你應該會同意啦，只是說既然我們要同意，何不核定快一點？你就下去做個宣示，譬如講，以楠西國中的時候，政委跟我下去，現在就核定一部分是評估費用而已，是不是乾脆你就宣布說我就是要原地重建，所有費用由中央來出，就是這樣子「阿莎力」一句話就好，你就下來宣布一下，先把公部門的公共設施做個解決，這是其一；第二個部分，未貼單的部分，能夠做多少也對外宣布，讓大家比較安心，能夠趕快回復生活秩序，院長，請回答。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為這個數量多，多到複評的時間也拉得長。"],["郭委員國文：現在最接近的數字，我剛才就跟你報告了，最新的數字就這樣子，然後未貼單的部分就2,065件，然後黃紅單就2,056件，就是差在這邊而已。"],["卓院長榮泰：請陳主委說明。"],["郭委員國文：政委請。"],["陳主任委員金德：跟委員報告，因為臺南市政府在2月6號已經正式公告對於這些民宅受損的補貼原則，所以已經很明確就是如果拆除的就是按照徵收條例的這個……"],["郭委員國文：政委，這個內容我大概約略知道。"],["陳主任委員金德：所以這部分就是現在儘速把它評出來。"],["郭委員國文：對，但是它現階段而言，紅黃應該都不會有問題，是有補助的內容，現在argue最多的就是未貼單的部分，我比較0403過，0403的未貼單的部分也是動用那16億的善款，我們賑災經費目前就我知道大概還有二十幾億之多，是不是有可能有餘絀可以提供臺南市政府在未貼單的部分給予幫助？因為這個部分其實在政委主持的會議當中也沒有全然地拒絕，如果有這個可能性的話，是不是能夠趕快有所定案，讓災民能夠有所因應？"],["陳主任委員金德：應該是請臺南市政府把整個複評出來，然後……"],["郭委員國文：有。"],["陳主任委員金德：加總數額是多少……"],["郭委員國文：有，它說缺大概4.5億。"],["陳主任委員金德：加總數額是多少之後，如果現有的善款真的還不足，我們再來共同討論其他的方法，因為目前現在……"],["郭委員國文：不足的部分就是……政委，就差你這句話，不足的部分，中央能不能朝向協助的方向？先不說金額多少啦。"],["陳主任委員金德：應該要先看它整個評出來是多少……"],["郭委員國文：就我知道這部分是不足的，政委，就我知道的部分是不足的！"],["陳主任委員金德：因為它估計原來是用每戶多少，事實上是應該現場去看評的修繕有大有小，整個加總起來。"],["郭委員國文：有、有、有，那個都有去看，總體估計起來是不足的，院長，麻煩這部分……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我看這樣好了……"],["郭委員國文：公部門的部分儘早宣布，然後私部門的部分儘早提出方案。"],["卓院長榮泰：各方的數據、了解的狀況也都相當清楚了，到今天為止，剛好經過了2個月了……"],["郭委員國文：對，快2個月。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們跟主委來商量，我們也跟地方政府來配合，我希望我們在月底之前，我們到現場做一些了解，好不好？"],["郭委員國文：月底之前，好，謝謝，就是等你這句話，月底之前，慎重提出。另外一個部分，這個是屬於復原的部分，還有一個是需要復興的部分，針對0403復興的部分，當初我們中央政府投入，對花蓮多重視，投入了15億的公共振興方案，但是目前我去中央向觀光署要，只有要到2,000萬，也就是說這個區域當中，他們跟花蓮不同，不是只有全然需要觀光收入而已，它還有需要農業部的農業收入，農業跟觀光是最需要的，能不能因地制宜，就觀光及農業的部分來幫這次0121找出一個新的振興方案出來，院長？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們當然很重視各地的產業觀光，但是，您也知道東部就是一條路、一條公路、一條鐵道，但是中南部、南部，有各種交通的方式……"],["郭委員國文：是，但我不一定要完全比照，院長，你不要誤會我的意思。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以程度是不一樣，但是我們會……"],["郭委員國文：對，不一樣，樣態不一樣。"],["卓院長榮泰：會重視，完全重視。至於觀光產業如果受到這樣大的影響，是不是交通部還要再繼續對臺南，甚至嘉義觀光的產業來做……"],["郭委員國文：我希望有一個類似於花蓮的振興專案出來啦！for 0121，對觀光的部分，還有農業的部分，部長。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，在0121的部分，景區的硬體並沒有受到太大的影響，但是確實地震的影響造成一些遊客會減少。"],["郭委員國文：減少五成。"],["陳部長世凱：對，我們會從軟體的部分，也就是活動的部分，我們增加活動的經費，多辦一些活動來引客，來吸引客人，交通的運輸沒問題，但是活動如果增加，讓客人多一些進來，這是我們應該要做的。"],["郭委員國文：部長，我只是提醒你一下，我相信零星的活動會有啦！民間也會有，我是希望以院裡的高度來整合成一個類似的振興專案，讓災民感受到中央政府的誠意，我只是希望這樣子，不同於花蓮，但是也有一個振興方案啦！因為我們已經復原了嘛！接下來復興嘛！好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我們跟觀光署來討論……"],["卓院長榮泰：特別來討論這個事情。"],["郭委員國文：麻煩好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我們來討論一個振興的方案。"],["郭委員國文：然後因為這個振興專案之外，山區有些不一樣的地方，它有孤老的問題，目前我們已經有做一些長照機構，長照機構的部分能不能加速？現在就我知道的部分，預算也不足，也差了9,000萬，我跟院長報告一下，請院長回去慎重評估一下，是不是針對長照機構目前為止能不能增加一些預算的可能性，否則真的標不出去。","第三個部分，玉峰攔河堰長期以來的限制，以至於山區沒有辦法發展，它現在的用水定位做一個調整之後，它將來是有縮編的可能，可以帶動山區的地方發展，也就是它整個振興的部分有三支劍，這三個方式：一，因為震災來的振興方案；二，長照機構來因應那些高齡化的問題；三，整個保護區的縮編也可以帶動山區的發展。請院長回去好好評估一下，因為我現在講，你可能不能馬上理解，請您慎重評估，可不可以？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員，如果真的影響到長照，那是萬萬不得，我們一定馬上做處理。"],["郭委員國文：差9,000萬。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們馬上做處理。其他剛剛委員建議的部分，我們也會同等重視。"],["郭委員國文：好的。另外一個部分與本席選區相關的是，我們在海邊花了很多時間做太陽能，過去綠能當中有關太陽能的部分，其實我在去年10月的時候就問過郭部長，再生能源發展條例第十二條之一部分的子法有關於興建、增建或改建應裝置光電的方向，就是要讓屋頂型的光電能夠增加。但是郭部長在去年也提到2025年20GW，其中8GW是屬於屋頂，12GW是屬於地面型的部分，目標延後一年。到目前為止，地面型因為爭議非常的大，只停留在5到6GW而已，必須靠屋頂型，屋頂型已經達標了。可是我們看到為了減少這種地面型的負擔，這是第一個爭議，地面型的負擔通常都是在偏鄉，通常都在農、漁村，也就是說非人口密集區的部分承擔了很多政策的負擔，七股就是這種例子，但是在都會區裡頭用電是最多的，大概有六成之多，他們負擔反而比較少，以至於屋頂型的部分是可以作為平衡發展的可能性。","但是，最近內政部國土署在2月公布了子法「建築物設置太陽光電發電設備標準」草案，目前還在60天的公告期，你去看它還要300坪以上，院長，300坪以上可以設置光電的只有占10%而已，而這10%當中，我還請人家換算起來，以這300坪的標準來說的話，增加裝置容量大概多少？只有0.15GW。"],["卓院長榮泰：規模很小。"],["郭委員國文：0.15GW代表沒有實質的效果嘛！地面型既然已經沒有辦法成長，屋頂型已經達標，就寄望屋頂型來補地面型的情況底下，你這個又限縮到這種程度，怎麼可能達到這個目標呢？未來公共設施沒有到300坪，你沒有辦法達到這個目標啊，更何況將來如果要透過金融機構來落實ESG的責任，就更加不可能嘛！所以在現在法令公告期的情況底下，如果像郭部長所說的要將2025年的目標延到2026年，我跟你講，到時2026年這個目標一樣會再延啦，一樣沒有辦法達到啦，會變成這種結果，院長，這要怎麼辦？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們就是朝著不延期的目標努力。"],["郭委員國文：不延期要怎麼達成啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們確實來檢討實際上實用的狀況是怎麼樣。"],["郭委員國文：對啊！目標已經估算出來，就是0.15 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