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00:02:08,642\n應該是要這樣子啊或者你光是現在有近鄰的市場有AI的市場但是你只單靠補助但是你在我們大概會做這些技術研發的大概都是一個中小企業當然你有講到新創可是如果你能夠特別把\n\n7\n00:02:09,863 --> 00:02:25,095\n綠色金融因為你政府在推市場也有這個需求國際也在推這個東西已經有這個市場了你如何讓市場帶動所有的這些中小企業加上你的新創但是我聚焦在綠色金融的部分\n\n8\n00:02:25,916 --> 00:02:39,829\n才能夠讓所有中小企業去帶動這個幫這些中大型企業或中小企業他們去做這些的這個淨零也好AI也好啊所以我沒有看到你綠色金融也難怪現在綠色金融的產品你們也講金管會也講你們呢不講可是又可以隻字片語看到行政院的什麼的公佈我們要推動綠色金融我們沒有產品\n\n9\n00:02:51,939 --> 00:02:58,321\n所以在這邊我幾個質詢的議題第一個就是您的投資技巧我是非常肯定的第二個你們對於傳統產業升級的重視本行認為應該還要加大加深加碼第三個你們也應該要致力於綠色金融創新而且標的就以我高雄為主高雄是最好發展綠色金融科技的一個旗艦的城市\n\n10\n00:03:17,065 --> 00:03:20,648\n好你們的這個投資績效這個其實剛才你有講其實從你國庫原始撥補的309億到現在去年9月為止你們增加了1兆5770億這個是成績斐然那投資的重點也有在一些新興產業本期也肯定你們在海事綠能半導體跟生技等\n\n11\n00:03:40,724 --> 00:04:03,977\n但是你們固然有投資營運績效的責任但是你們確實有擔負起加速產業創新價值促進經濟轉型及國家發展而協助我國產業創新價值研究發展及自創品牌的任務所以本席也反對不當的調查跟干擾專業投資請國發會務必堅守國家的利益跟使命\n\n12\n00:04:07,119 --> 00:04:29,328\n好你們也應該重視傳統產業有在你們的基金當中我有看到其中你們的這個哇這個你的第九頁哇你的這個第九頁有把這個也有產業再造基金你們的好多的好多相關的這個基金你都也有這個智慧醫療創新產業AI新創產業產業再造基金你們在去年8月又成立了一個30億的產業再造基金\n\n13\n00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:57,871\n那呢希望這個部分呢我想理解你的投資標的是什麼是你這第11頁講的五大信賴產業校園創投基金綠色成長淨零產業嗎還是本席看到的在媒體上看到是你們要翻轉至少三個弱勢產業那這是到底你這個基金的目的是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:58,171 --> 00:05:22,525\n是的這個產業再造基金是以傳產為主那它主要的做法跟顛覆傳統它就是投資者以後會有比較專業的人士進來協助這個企業在做管理跟營運的再造就不是只有單純的資金投資那這樣的基金補助既然你也鎖定傳統產業我希望再聚焦\n\n15\n00:05:23,891 --> 00:05:42,623\n某些產業那譬如說石化模具塑膠射出及金屬構建你要這些產業一定譬如說在石化業全國最聚集的產業聚集最一條龍的就在我高雄石化業那他一定有他們共通的譬如說AI的科技\n\n16\n00:05:43,583 --> 00:05:58,151\n淨零的科技捕捉碳排的這個相關的科一定有一些共通的你投入這個產業的特別在AI的科技的建置或者是這個智慧化的建置它一定有這些產業共同會使用的技術嘛甚至有些融資這些中小企業它實話又可能一定不會有淨零補碳的技術啊誰會有可能這些新創業者會有啊\n\n17\n00:06:08,317 --> 00:06:12,038\n新創業者小啊可是標的有啊石化業這麼大這麼多啊所以你應該要讓這些這個傳統產業當中你應該鎖定然後進額這樣才會有亮點嘛你的讓他們在因應美國這個關稅提高以及中國廉價產品的傾銷的時候才有辦法船廠升級進入高石化好本席這邊還要講到一點我希望國發會在南部設置據點國發會\n\n18\n00:06:36,144 --> 00:06:53,380\n高雄或者是國發會南部辦公室設置在高雄這當中你不是第一例在本席過往當中我已經在我的立處立處之下中華經濟研究院這樣的一個智庫已經在高雄有辦公室而且運作多年商發院\n\n19\n00:06:54,100 --> 00:07:11,546\n服務業在高雄也有南部據點這個公園院在南部也有據點南院喔在這個台南我都覺得非常的好而且都行之多年了那為什麼要你在南部呢進行專案輔導呢因為我們船廠跟中小企業中南部的業者面對政府的資源有三個特色第一個不知道第二個不會寫第三個不會過\n\n20\n00:07:23,451 --> 00:07:36,605\n這就有這三個特色那你會講這個是經濟部做的事情啊這個經濟部有啊他們這個產發署就在做這件事情啊跟你這件那你跟他的區別在哪裡你跟他的區別在哪裡你的區別就是你能夠聚焦某些產業\n\n21\n00:07:40,649 --> 00:08:01,374\n因為在高雄很明顯我剛才講了我們高雄的一些產業是石化模具社交社租金屬扣件我們所研發的所有的中小企業全部遍布高雄所以你應該在據點的時候你才會聽我們在地的業者心而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊\n\n22\n00:08:02,774 --> 00:08:10,946\n然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融\n\n23\n00:08:18,317 --> 00:08:35,348\n好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是\n\n24\n00:08:37,429 --> 00:08:53,267\n缺乏統整經個型歧視這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟投資方案目前因為缺乏統整個型歧視成銷甚微你給他看淨零科技在哪個部位\n\n25\n00:08:58,391 --> 00:09:09,723\n跟國營報告這個我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的這個淨零科技好來來來預講到環境部來來來淨零科技在環境部\n\n26\n00:09:14,688 --> 00:09:17,429\n在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔\n\n27\n00:09:42,794 --> 00:09:45,135\n光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有\n\n28\n00:10:07,145 --> 00:10:12,128\n只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮後的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的\n\n29\n00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:56,369\n聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億\n\n30\n00:11:00,831 --> 00:11:20,501\n提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧\n\n31\n00:11:21,901 --> 00:11:34,606\n這個我們再回去研究一下跟好我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林在彰化\n\n32\n00:11:40,070 --> 00:11:52,475\n對在彰化在彰化以南羅水溪以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多幾乎是七三比跟羅水溪以南比較薄薄所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在羅水溪以南30%還是在薄薄但是我沒有我還很厚道我說只剩一半\n\n33\n00:12:06,341 --> 00:12:29,048\n在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎\n\n34\n00:12:30,220 --> 00:12:44,651\n這個我會跟金管會討論之後跟委員做說明好你看喔你講的綠色金融你講到金管會可是真的產業的發展在環境部跟這個經濟部可是你想到金融其實那是可是金融它只是一個它的產品當中你們確定了我錢給你嘛就這樣而已可是你的產品在哪裡當然是那兩個部會啊所以為什麼要國發會你出來整合以上謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3156\t4803\t有請主委\n13973\t32238\t主委這個您的簡報做得非常的完整但本席認為您在這個國發基金及所有相關的基金的投資投資新創也是你的重點但是我希望聚焦在傳產的升級及你整篇沒有提到綠色金融\n33325\t59955\t一個字都沒提到那我不曉得你對綠色金融科技這件事情是認為這個是不重要還是說在你們的施政當中認為這個不是重點因為你也在推動淨零你現在政府推的兩大政策就是第一個所有大中小的所謂企業你一定推AI智慧化的一個環境的建制第二個是淨零碳排\n60575\t84800\t竟然是這兩個就相關的AI的技術智慧化的技術以及淨零碳排的技術其實就已經有這個市場了我們最好的是希望市場去驅動你整個產業的發展但我們現在是用補助政策的引導補助去誘發產業的發展但這是一個路徑但是如果市場本身有這個需求現在可以看到說淨零\n86720\t111497\t節能這個AI竟然已經有這個市場了那你是否讓相關有相關這些技術的人他可能缺乏資金他在金融上他比較沒有他可能可以因為這個市場有他有一個很明確的產業的標的進而我可以協助他在金融當中的一個支持這個金融這個綠色金融的一個支持\n112618\t128642\t應該是要這樣子啊或者你光是現在有近鄰的市場有AI的市場但是你只單靠補助但是你在我們大概會做這些技術研發的大概都是一個中小企業當然你有講到新創可是如果你能夠特別把\n129863\t145095\t綠色金融因為你政府在推市場也有這個需求國際也在推這個東西已經有這個市場了你如何讓市場帶動所有的這些中小企業加上你的新創但是我聚焦在綠色金融的部分\n145916\t159829\t才能夠讓所有中小企業去帶動這個幫這些中大型企業或中小企業他們去做這些的這個淨零也好 AI也好啊所以我沒有看到你綠色金融也難怪現在綠色金融的產品你們也講金管會也講你們呢 不講可是又可以隻字片語看到行政院的什麼的公佈我們要推動綠色金融我們沒有產品\n171939\t178321\t所以在這邊我幾個質詢的議題第一個就是您的投資技巧我是非常肯定的第二個你們對於傳統產業升級的重視本行認為應該還要加大加深加碼第三個你們也應該要致力於綠色金融創新而且標的就以我高雄為主高雄是最好發展綠色金融科技的一個旗艦的城市\n197065\t200648\t好你們的這個投資績效這個其實剛才你有講其實從你國庫原始撥補的309億到現在去年9月為止你們增加了1兆5770億這個是成績斐然那投資的重點也有在一些新興產業本期也肯定你們在海事綠能半導體跟生技等\n220724\t243977\t但是你們固然有投資營運績效的責任但是你們確實有擔負起加速產業創新價值促進經濟轉型及國家發展而協助我國產業創新價值研究發展及自創品牌的任務所以本席也反對不當的調查跟干擾專業投資請國發會務必堅守國家的利益跟使命\n247119\t269328\t好你們也應該重視傳統產業有在你們的基金當中我有看到其中你們的這個哇這個你的第九頁哇你的這個第九頁有把這個也有產業再造基金你們的好多的好多相關的這個基金你都也有這個智慧醫療創新產業AI新創產業產業再造基金你們在去年8月又成立了一個30億的產業再造基金\n274870\t297871\t那呢希望這個部分呢我想理解你的投資標的是什麼是你這第11頁講的五大信賴產業校園創投基金綠色成長淨零產業嗎還是本席看到的在媒體上看到是你們要翻轉至少三個弱勢產業那這是到底你這個基金的目的是什麼\n298171\t322525\t是的 這個產業再造基金是以傳產為主那它主要的做法跟顛覆傳統它就是投資者以後會有比較專業的人士進來協助這個企業在做管理跟營運的再造就不是只有單純的資金投資那這樣的基金補助 既然你也鎖定傳統產業我希望再聚焦\n323891\t342623\t某些產業那譬如說石化模具塑膠射出及金屬構建你要這些產業一定譬如說在石化業全國最聚集的產業聚集最一條龍的就在我高雄石化業那他一定有他們共通的譬如說AI的科技\n343583\t358151\t淨零的科技捕捉碳排的這個相關的科一定有一些共通的你投入這個產業的特別在AI的科技的建置或者是這個智慧化的建置它一定有這些產業共同會使用的技術嘛甚至有些融資這些中小企業它實話又可能一定不會有淨零補碳的技術啊誰會有可能這些新創業者會有啊\n368317\t372038\t新創業者小啊可是標的有啊石化業這麼大這麼多啊所以你應該要讓這些這個傳統產業當中你應該鎖定然後進額這樣才會有亮點嘛你的讓他們在因應美國這個關稅提高以及中國廉價產品的傾銷的時候才有辦法船廠升級進入高石化好本席這邊還要講到一點我希望國發會在南部設置據點國發會\n396144\t413380\t高雄或者是國發會南部辦公室設置在高雄這當中你不是第一例在本席過往當中我已經在我的立處立處之下中華經濟研究院這樣的一個智庫已經在高雄有辦公室而且運作多年商發院\n414100\t431546\t服務業在高雄也有南部據點這個公園院在南部也有據點南院喔在這個台南我都覺得非常的好而且都行之多年了那為什麼要你在南部呢進行專案輔導呢因為我們船廠跟中小企業中南部的業者面對政府的資源有三個特色第一個不知道第二個不會寫第三個不會過\n443451\t456605\t這就有這三個特色那你會講這個是經濟部做的事情啊這個經濟部有啊他們這個產發署就在做這件事情啊跟你這件那你跟他的區別在哪裡你跟他的區別在哪裡你的區別就是你能夠聚焦某些產業\n460649\t481374\t因為在高雄很明顯 我剛才講了我們高雄的一些產業是石化 模具 社交 社租 金屬扣件我們所研發的所有的中小企業全部遍布高雄所以你應該在據點的時候你才會聽我們在地的業者心 而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊\n482774\t490946\t然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融\n498317\t515348\t好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是\n517429\t533267\t缺乏統整 經個型歧視這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟投資方案目前因為缺乏統整 個型歧視 成銷甚微你給他看 淨零科技在哪個部位\n538391\t549723\t跟國營報告 這個我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的這個淨零科技好來來來 預講到環境部 來來來淨零科技在環境部\n554688\t557429\t在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔\n582794\t585135\t光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有\n607145\t612128\t只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮後的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的\n633780\t656369\t聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億\n660831\t680501\t提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧\n681901\t694606\t這個我們再回去研究一下跟好 我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林在彰化\n700070\t712475\t對 在彰化 在彰化以南 羅水溪以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多 幾乎是七三比跟羅水溪以南比較薄薄所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金 本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在羅水溪以南 30%還是在薄薄但是我沒有 我還很厚道 我說只剩一半\n726341\t749048\t在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎\n750220\t764651\t這個我會跟金管會討論之後跟委員做說明好 你看喔 你講的綠色金融你講到金管會可是真的產業的發展在環境部跟這個經濟部可是你想到金融其實那是可是金融它只是一個它的產品當中你們確定了我錢給你嘛就這樣而已可是你的產品在哪裡當然是那兩個部會啊所以為什麼要國發會你出來整合以上 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"有請主委\n主委這個您的簡報做得非常的完整但本席認為您在這個國發基金及所有相關的基金的投資投資新創也是你的重點但是我希望聚焦在傳產的升級及你整篇沒有提到綠色金融\n一個字都沒提到那我不曉得你對綠色金融科技這件事情是認為這個是不重要還是說在你們的施政當中認為這個不是重點因為你也在推動淨零你現在政府推的兩大政策就是第一個所有大中小的所謂企業你一定推AI智慧化的一個環境的建制第二個是淨零碳排\n竟然是這兩個就相關的AI的技術智慧化的技術以及淨零碳排的技術其實就已經有這個市場了我們最好的是希望市場去驅動你整個產業的發展但我們現在是用補助政策的引導補助去誘發產業的發展但這是一個路徑但是如果市場本身有這個需求現在可以看到說淨零\n節能這個AI竟然已經有這個市場了那你是否讓相關有相關這些技術的人他可能缺乏資金他在金融上他比較沒有他可能可以因為這個市場有他有一個很明確的產業的標的進而我可以協助他在金融當中的一個支持這個金融這個綠色金融的一個支持\n應該是要這樣子啊或者你光是現在有近鄰的市場有AI的市場但是你只單靠補助但是你在我們大概會做這些技術研發的大概都是一個中小企業當然你有講到新創可是如果你能夠特別把\n綠色金融因為你政府在推市場也有這個需求國際也在推這個東西已經有這個市場了你如何讓市場帶動所有的這些中小企業加上你的新創但是我聚焦在綠色金融的部分\n才能夠讓所有中小企業去帶動這個幫這些中大型企業或中小企業他們去做這些的這個淨零也好 AI也好啊所以我沒有看到你綠色金融也難怪現在綠色金融的產品你們也講金管會也講你們呢 不講可是又可以隻字片語看到行政院的什麼的公佈我們要推動綠色金融我們沒有產品\n所以在這邊我幾個質詢的議題第一個就是您的投資技巧我是非常肯定的第二個你們對於傳統產業升級的重視本行認為應該還要加大加深加碼第三個你們也應該要致力於綠色金融創新而且標的就以我高雄為主高雄是最好發展綠色金融科技的一個旗艦的城市\n好你們的這個投資績效這個其實剛才你有講其實從你國庫原始撥補的309億到現在去年9月為止你們增加了1兆5770億這個是成績斐然那投資的重點也有在一些新興產業本期也肯定你們在海事綠能半導體跟生技等\n但是你們固然有投資營運績效的責任但是你們確實有擔負起加速產業創新價值促進經濟轉型及國家發展而協助我國產業創新價值研究發展及自創品牌的任務所以本席也反對不當的調查跟干擾專業投資請國發會務必堅守國家的利益跟使命\n好你們也應該重視傳統產業有在你們的基金當中我有看到其中你們的這個哇這個你的第九頁哇你的這個第九頁有把這個也有產業再造基金你們的好多的好多相關的這個基金你都也有這個智慧醫療創新產業AI新創產業產業再造基金你們在去年8月又成立了一個30億的產業再造基金\n那呢希望這個部分呢我想理解你的投資標的是什麼是你這第11頁講的五大信賴產業校園創投基金綠色成長淨零產業嗎還是本席看到的在媒體上看到是你們要翻轉至少三個弱勢產業那這是到底你這個基金的目的是什麼\n是的 這個產業再造基金是以傳產為主那它主要的做法跟顛覆傳統它就是投資者以後會有比較專業的人士進來協助這個企業在做管理跟營運的再造就不是只有單純的資金投資那這樣的基金補助 既然你也鎖定傳統產業我希望再聚焦\n某些產業那譬如說石化模具塑膠射出及金屬構建你要這些產業一定譬如說在石化業全國最聚集的產業聚集最一條龍的就在我高雄石化業那他一定有他們共通的譬如說AI的科技\n淨零的科技捕捉碳排的這個相關的科一定有一些共通的你投入這個產業的特別在AI的科技的建置或者是這個智慧化的建置它一定有這些產業共同會使用的技術嘛甚至有些融資這些中小企業它實話又可能一定不會有淨零補碳的技術啊誰會有可能這些新創業者會有啊\n新創業者小啊可是標的有啊石化業這麼大這麼多啊所以你應該要讓這些這個傳統產業當中你應該鎖定然後進額這樣才會有亮點嘛你的讓他們在因應美國這個關稅提高以及中國廉價產品的傾銷的時候才有辦法船廠升級進入高石化好本席這邊還要講到一點我希望國發會在南部設置據點國發會\n高雄或者是國發會南部辦公室設置在高雄這當中你不是第一例在本席過往當中我已經在我的立處立處之下中華經濟研究院這樣的一個智庫已經在高雄有辦公室而且運作多年商發院\n服務業在高雄也有南部據點這個公園院在南部也有據點南院喔在這個台南我都覺得非常的好而且都行之多年了那為什麼要你在南部呢進行專案輔導呢因為我們船廠跟中小企業中南部的業者面對政府的資源有三個特色第一個不知道第二個不會寫第三個不會過\n這就有這三個特色那你會講這個是經濟部做的事情啊這個經濟部有啊他們這個產發署就在做這件事情啊跟你這件那你跟他的區別在哪裡你跟他的區別在哪裡你的區別就是你能夠聚焦某些產業\n因為在高雄很明顯 我剛才講了我們高雄的一些產業是石化 模具 社交 社租 金屬扣件我們所研發的所有的中小企業全部遍布高雄所以你應該在據點的時候你才會聽我們在地的業者心 而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊\n然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融\n好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是\n缺乏統整 經個型歧視這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟投資方案目前因為缺乏統整 個型歧視 成銷甚微你給他看 淨零科技在哪個部位\n跟國營報告 這個我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的這個淨零科技好來來來 預講到環境部 來來來淨零科技在環境部\n在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔\n光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有\n只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮後的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的\n聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億\n提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧\n這個我們再回去研究一下跟好 我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林在彰化\n對 在彰化 在彰化以南 羅水溪以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多 幾乎是七三比跟羅水溪以南比較薄薄所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金 本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在羅水溪以南 30%還是在薄薄但是我沒有 我還很厚道 我說只剩一半\n在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎\n這個我會跟金管會討論之後跟委員做說明好 你看喔 你講的綠色金融你講到金管會可是真的產業的發展在環境部跟這個經濟部可是你想到金融其實那是可是金融它只是一個它的產品當中你們確定了我錢給你嘛就這樣而已可是你的產品在哪裡當然是那兩個部會啊所以為什麼要國發會你出來整合以上 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.156 --> 00:04.803\n有請主委\n\n00:13.973 --> 00:32.238\n主委這個您的簡報做得非常的完整但本席認為您在這個國發基金及所有相關的基金的投資投資新創也是你的重點但是我希望聚焦在傳產的升級及你整篇沒有提到綠色金融\n\n00:33.325 --> 00:59.955\n一個字都沒提到那我不曉得你對綠色金融科技這件事情是認為這個是不重要還是說在你們的施政當中認為這個不是重點因為你也在推動淨零你現在政府推的兩大政策就是第一個所有大中小的所謂企業你一定推AI智慧化的一個環境的建制第二個是淨零碳排\n\n01:00.575 --> 01:24.800\n竟然是這兩個就相關的AI的技術智慧化的技術以及淨零碳排的技術其實就已經有這個市場了我們最好的是希望市場去驅動你整個產業的發展但我們現在是用補助政策的引導補助去誘發產業的發展但這是一個路徑但是如果市場本身有這個需求現在可以看到說淨零\n\n01:26.720 --> 01:51.497\n節能這個AI竟然已經有這個市場了那你是否讓相關有相關這些技術的人他可能缺乏資金他在金融上他比較沒有他可能可以因為這個市場有他有一個很明確的產業的標的進而我可以協助他在金融當中的一個支持這個金融這個綠色金融的一個支持\n\n01:52.618 --> 02:08.642\n應該是要這樣子啊或者你光是現在有近鄰的市場有AI的市場但是你只單靠補助但是你在我們大概會做這些技術研發的大概都是一個中小企業當然你有講到新創可是如果你能夠特別把\n\n02:09.863 --> 02:25.095\n綠色金融因為你政府在推市場也有這個需求國際也在推這個東西已經有這個市場了你如何讓市場帶動所有的這些中小企業加上你的新創但是我聚焦在綠色金融的部分\n\n02:25.916 --> 02:39.829\n才能夠讓所有中小企業去帶動這個幫這些中大型企業或中小企業他們去做這些的這個淨零也好AI也好啊所以我沒有看到你綠色金融也難怪現在綠色金融的產品你們也講金管會也講你們呢不講可是又可以隻字片語看到行政院的什麼的公佈我們要推動綠色金融我們沒有產品\n\n02:51.939 --> 02:58.321\n所以在這邊我幾個質詢的議題第一個就是您的投資技巧我是非常肯定的第二個你們對於傳統產業升級的重視本行認為應該還要加大加深加碼第三個你們也應該要致力於綠色金融創新而且標的就以我高雄為主高雄是最好發展綠色金融科技的一個旗艦的城市\n\n03:17.065 --> 03:20.648\n好你們的這個投資績效這個其實剛才你有講其實從你國庫原始撥補的309億到現在去年9月為止你們增加了1兆5770億這個是成績斐然那投資的重點也有在一些新興產業本期也肯定你們在海事綠能半導體跟生技等\n\n03:40.724 --> 04:03.977\n但是你們固然有投資營運績效的責任但是你們確實有擔負起加速產業創新價值促進經濟轉型及國家發展而協助我國產業創新價值研究發展及自創品牌的任務所以本席也反對不當的調查跟干擾專業投資請國發會務必堅守國家的利益跟使命\n\n04:07.119 --> 04:29.328\n好你們也應該重視傳統產業有在你們的基金當中我有看到其中你們的這個哇這個你的第九頁哇你的這個第九頁有把這個也有產業再造基金你們的好多的好多相關的這個基金你都也有這個智慧醫療創新產業AI新創產業產業再造基金你們在去年8月又成立了一個30億的產業再造基金\n\n04:34.870 --> 04:57.871\n那呢希望這個部分呢我想理解你的投資標的是什麼是你這第11頁講的五大信賴產業校園創投基金綠色成長淨零產業嗎還是本席看到的在媒體上看到是你們要翻轉至少三個弱勢產業那這是到底你這個基金的目的是什麼\n\n04:58.171 --> 05:22.525\n是的這個產業再造基金是以傳產為主那它主要的做法跟顛覆傳統它就是投資者以後會有比較專業的人士進來協助這個企業在做管理跟營運的再造就不是只有單純的資金投資那這樣的基金補助既然你也鎖定傳統產業我希望再聚焦\n\n05:23.891 --> 05:42.623\n某些產業那譬如說石化模具塑膠射出及金屬構建你要這些產業一定譬如說在石化業全國最聚集的產業聚集最一條龍的就在我高雄石化業那他一定有他們共通的譬如說AI的科技\n\n05:43.583 --> 05:58.151\n淨零的科技捕捉碳排的這個相關的科一定有一些共通的你投入這個產業的特別在AI的科技的建置或者是這個智慧化的建置它一定有這些產業共同會使用的技術嘛甚至有些融資這些中小企業它實話又可能一定不會有淨零補碳的技術啊誰會有可能這些新創業者會有啊\n\n06:08.317 --> 06:12.038\n新創業者小啊可是標的有啊石化業這麼大這麼多啊所以你應該要讓這些這個傳統產業當中你應該鎖定然後進額這樣才會有亮點嘛你的讓他們在因應美國這個關稅提高以及中國廉價產品的傾銷的時候才有辦法船廠升級進入高石化好本席這邊還要講到一點我希望國發會在南部設置據點國發會\n\n06:36.144 --> 06:53.380\n高雄或者是國發會南部辦公室設置在高雄這當中你不是第一例在本席過往當中我已經在我的立處立處之下中華經濟研究院這樣的一個智庫已經在高雄有辦公室而且運作多年商發院\n\n06:54.100 --> 07:11.546\n服務業在高雄也有南部據點這個公園院在南部也有據點南院喔在這個台南我都覺得非常的好而且都行之多年了那為什麼要你在南部呢進行專案輔導呢因為我們船廠跟中小企業中南部的業者面對政府的資源有三個特色第一個不知道第二個不會寫第三個不會過\n\n07:23.451 --> 07:36.605\n這就有這三個特色那你會講這個是經濟部做的事情啊這個經濟部有啊他們這個產發署就在做這件事情啊跟你這件那你跟他的區別在哪裡你跟他的區別在哪裡你的區別就是你能夠聚焦某些產業\n\n07:40.649 --> 08:01.374\n因為在高雄很明顯我剛才講了我們高雄的一些產業是石化模具社交社租金屬扣件我們所研發的所有的中小企業全部遍布高雄所以你應該在據點的時候你才會聽我們在地的業者心而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊\n\n08:02.774 --> 08:10.946\n然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融\n\n08:18.317 --> 08:35.348\n好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是\n\n08:37.429 --> 08:53.267\n缺乏統整經個型歧視這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟投資方案目前因為缺乏統整個型歧視成銷甚微你給他看淨零科技在哪個部位\n\n08:58.391 --> 09:09.723\n跟國營報告這個我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的這個淨零科技好來來來預講到環境部來來來淨零科技在環境部\n\n09:14.688 --> 09:17.429\n在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔\n\n09:42.794 --> 09:45.135\n光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有\n\n10:07.145 --> 10:12.128\n只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮後的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的\n\n10:33.780 --> 10:56.369\n聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億\n\n11:00.831 --> 11:20.501\n提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧\n\n11:21.901 --> 11:34.606\n這個我們再回去研究一下跟好我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林在彰化\n\n11:40.070 --> 11:52.475\n對在彰化在彰化以南羅水溪以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多幾乎是七三比跟羅水溪以南比較薄薄所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在羅水溪以南30%還是在薄薄但是我沒有我還很厚道我說只剩一半\n\n12:06.341 --> 12:29.048\n在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎\n\n12:30.220 --> 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而不是遠在台北啊然後你們的這個審議的機制也都在台北啊"},{"start":482.774,"end":490.946,"text":"然後再來我們本來就有規劃今年2月要設結果南部辦公室因為預算被砍以後關掉所以我們現在正在另密新的場地在高雄嗎對在高雄好那非常好那就開始了那我現在講這個綠色金融"},{"start":498.317,"end":515.348,"text":"好這個綠色金融呢我認為國發會應該跨部會整合淨零科技金融創新AI產業AI產業化開放境外產業資產的管理規劃國發會基金投資綠色金融科技好我光是講到這幾個你已經是"},{"start":517.429,"end":533.267,"text":"缺乏統整 經個型歧視這個是在綠色金融當中為什麼我們要落實以ESG永續發展為目標以數位科技為手段推出金融產品跟投資方案目前因為缺乏統整 個型歧視 成銷甚微你給他看 淨零科技在哪個部位"},{"start":538.391,"end":549.723,"text":"跟國營報告 這個我們在去年年底我們匡列了100億給到環境部我們希望環境部來推動您所提示我們的這個淨零科技好來來來 預講到環境部 來來來淨零科技在環境部"},{"start":554.688,"end":557.429,"text":"在這個經濟部兩個都有金融這個創新跟開放境外資產管理這個本來就有在推的這兩個在金管會這個會議在高雄有但是還金管會那AI產業呢在蘇發部所以你要光靠一個所以國發會應該協助這幾個部會不是只有這個環境部而已喔"},{"start":582.794,"end":585.135,"text":"光是環境部他能夠整合這些而有產生綠色金融的產品以我高雄為什麼我說高雄他這個商業模式就這樣靠近資金靠近市場靠近這個人才或者靠近你的原料是在哪裡就靠近這四個高雄全部都有"},{"start":607.145,"end":612.128,"text":"只差你國發會的整合因為基金在你手上好那所以呢我們的優勢我們土地豐沛你看這個全這個面積2952好那這個平方公里我們優勢二產業聚落完整優勢三我窮後的高雄科技人才的基礎我們這麼多的大學包括這個清華陽明交通大學都設在高雄了的分校以及優勢四我們有這個政府的"},{"start":633.78,"end":656.369,"text":"聚焦的這個政策有S藍帶的半導體有大南方有亞灣等先進科技都在高雄已經形成科技的這個區域了僅差你國發會的整合區域的這個資源形成示範的效益好我具體建議國發會基於區域平衡在高雄設置國發基金南部辦公室現在本席要求兩個業務第一個30億的產業再造基金匡列15億"},{"start":660.831,"end":680.501,"text":"提供中南部主題式的輔導計畫避免中南部產業成為國發基金的投資偏鄉第二個整合我高雄的現有的優勢提出綠色金融的落實方案整合跨領域的資源建立綠色科技金融的示範程式主委您回應一下吧"},{"start":681.901,"end":694.606,"text":"這個我們再回去研究一下跟好 我要講你不要想說15億很多你要曉得產業巨弱中南部包括我們今天的昭緯他在雲林在彰化"},{"start":700.07,"end":712.475,"text":"對 在彰化 在彰化以南 羅水溪以南我們的中小企業聚集最多傳產聚集天多 幾乎是七三比跟羅水溪以南比較薄薄所有中小企業跟傳統產業是七三比所以30億的產業再造金 本息應該怎麼建議應該是70%在羅水溪以南 30%還是在薄薄但是我沒有 我還很厚道 我說只剩一半"},{"start":726.341,"end":749.048,"text":"在中南部的主題市的輔導避免中南部你們才會積極的投入啊然後再來我綠色金融當中的一個靠近市場靠近人才都在我高雄那所以呢請你們也聚焦在這個南部辦公室一定要在怎麼高雄成為綠色科技金融的示範城市你們這個辦公室也要提出方案可以嗎"},{"start":750.22,"end":764.651,"text":"這個我會跟金管會討論之後跟委員做說明好 你看喔 你講的綠色金融你講到金管會可是真的產業的發展在環境部跟這個經濟部可是你想到金融其實那是可是金融它只是一個它的產品當中你們確定了我錢給你嘛就這樣而已可是你的產品在哪裡當然是那兩個部會啊所以為什麼要國發會你出來整合以上 謝謝好 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