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00:00:31,151\n還有我們國民黨黨團我們也想看這個7000萬您到底要如何發揮你的魄力把它追討回來報告上面不是寫如何追討回來因為最後怎麼處理是審計部的判定那這個所謂的我們的回函主要是針對審計部提出來的這些項目那我們去釐清然後我們認為哪些部分需要檢討上面的說明\n\n3\n00:00:31,371 --> 00:00:46,913\n那這個是我們的責任因為民眾希望可以追討回來好再來呢這個也是近期非常多人關心的議題不知道部長有沒有看到前陣子有一位三種的醫師因為聚開巴士兩表遭到家屬攻擊最終就被判刑了\n\n4\n00:00:47,313 --> 00:00:58,725\n那近期醫護荒呢像這樣子的巴氏量表也常常出現在急重症的病房更是容易造成衝突那當然今年12月31號三讀通過舊輔法第46條滿80歲以上免金巴氏量表就可以聘移工的這個規定\n\n5\n00:01:05,692 --> 00:01:25,501\n那當然我是來幫關心這件事的家庭來做一個追就是追問想請教您因為你常常在媒體上會講到說需要六個月以上待配套完成才可以發布實施我想知道說最快您會需要多久最慢您會需要多久\n\n6\n00:01:27,180 --> 00:01:45,500\n我跟陳委員說明因為這個其實蠻多人關心這個問題那我有看到之前好像有一些政治人物說我們在這個問題上面因為沒有馬上上路所以就說是行政怠惰那我要跟委員說明這樣的說法我認為對我們的同仁是很不公平的\n\n7\n00:01:46,020 --> 00:02:13,052\n應該是說當在野黨在提出一讀二讀三讀的過程其實很明顯的您可以感受到在野黨對這個立場的堅持但是您在整個過程當中卻是不斷的提出反對反對反對而沒有具體的去想說也許你也可以開始規劃配套措施整合我們的長照的制度無異於漠視有這樣子需求的家庭繼續在受苦成人不是這樣子的\n\n8\n00:02:14,633 --> 00:02:25,520\n總統在這個法案是1月20號然後公告那本部是在1月17號就找了衛福部開跨部會的會議來去討論這個法通過以後後續的因應\n\n9\n00:02:30,023 --> 00:02:42,307\n那這個法後續的因應其實現在有很多的重症家庭是很擔心的因為已經陸陸續續看到一些重症家庭他們聘護移工他們移工已經有這個想要棄重則輕的狀況所以我們現在在做的配套\n\n10\n00:02:46,008 --> 00:02:52,731\n主要是要來怎麼確保重症家庭他們能夠找到相關照護資源的權利所以我們會設計一個雙軌的流程所以我一開始其實我就是幫這些關心這件事的人稍微問進度我只是問您最快幾時最慢幾時\n\n11\n00:03:04,917 --> 00:03:19,313\n要讓各位關心這件事情的人自己心中有一把尺他知道他大概哪一個時間內您會說我們可以開始送件我可以讓包括在立法院關心這邊的委員知道\n\n12\n00:03:20,174 --> 00:03:47,287\n我們現在在做幾件事情第一個事情是因為要去兼顧重症家庭的權益所以我們會設計一個雙軌分流來去讓重症家庭能夠更簡單的方式更容易的方式來去做相關的申請而不會他的權益受到影響這是第一個第二個因為有這個雙軌的流程所以很多地方的長照中心也好或者相關的服務單位他們需要增加人力所以我們現在也要找裁員還要招募還要訓練\n\n13\n00:03:48,307 --> 00:04:17,439\n這算起來也需要幾個月的時間還有一個重點是也需要來跟我們的移工來源國因為四個移工來源國來討論是不是能夠增加引進那移工來源國他也有他相關的訓練單位的量能這部分也要去協調所以在這些工作林林總統下還包括法規的修訂我們認為最快可能要六個月而這六個月其實真的已經是壓縮了已經是高度的壓縮最慢了我們就是希望六個月可以我們希望六個月可以完成\n\n14\n00:04:18,739 --> 00:04:36,365\n謝謝謝謝那我們也希望可以在7月底之前上路因為這個我們研究了一下相關的執法的盤點修改我相信比較其他修法其實並沒有調整的非常多所以我也希望部長可以落實這個法案的精神積極的去做好嗎對但我還是要幫我們同仁說話我們絕對沒有在這裡面\n\n15\n00:04:40,326 --> 00:05:08,866\n行政怠惰或者相關的杯葛這是立法院三讀通過的法律我們當然會執行只是我們要把配套做好因為如果配套沒有做好可能會引起更多這個聘僱市場失序的狀況這是我們不樂見的情況會影響到很多人的權益您之前有提出一個數據您說預估可能會增加多少份的送件這是您預估出來的目前是會53萬人取得資格但\n\n16\n00:05:09,466 --> 00:05:30,864\n我們自己有推估了一下覺得可能會有可能將近10萬人左右會快速的增加我也希望可以跟您要到一份您是怎麼統計出這樣子的數據的您是有去做民調嗎還是您是有去找了一個量本數用過去的資料推估那我可以一周內請您提供這一份資料嗎\n\n17\n00:05:34,887 --> 00:05:59,523\n好謝謝那再來呢想要跟您討論一下最近我們的委員針對預算到底經過審議每個科別積木別科子木還剩下多少預算如何的核實分配預算數接下來要請行政院還有部本部調控那我有發公文到勞動部勞動部公文還沒有回來但是已經電話回覆說還在調整分配中請問這件事正確嗎您還在調整分配中還在部本部內調控\n\n18\n00:06:05,087 --> 00:06:33,163\n是是啊正確對那我想請問為什麼您可以在上節目的時候大談今年的育兒津貼被凍結被刪除我想問你是從本部的哪一個預算出的被凍結多少是哪一個科子目因為是您上的節目您講的話所以我們就請部長來回答是好謝謝有人給我這個機會說明我確實前兩天在這個媒體上面那\n\n19\n00:06:34,023 --> 00:06:53,831\n我後來看我們是有這個我這邊也是有口誤的部分你是說錯還是口誤那為什麼您會覺得有這樣子的口誤呢你是從哪邊推我先說明主要被刪減跟凍結的部分是在用來做產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助\n\n20\n00:06:56,992 --> 00:07:11,348\n所以產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助還是被刪跟凍還是會影響這些新手爸媽相關的權益這部分是在我們的勞動條件及就業平等業務的這個部分又有凍結也有刪減\n\n21\n00:07:13,735 --> 00:07:31,469\n那這當然是影響新手包含權益但我確實口誤講成是育嬰留庭相關的薪資補助因為可能最近開了育嬰留庭的會議開的太多了所以有這個口誤但實際上面是產檢價跟陪產檢價的薪資補助那請您在這邊跟大家澄清說沒有影響到育嬰留庭\n\n22\n00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:36,151\n這邊也是你們勞動部自己的新聞稿六成是從就業保險基金支出就業保險基金我們根本還沒有處理到我們晚一點才會處理那你也知道為什麼我們基金這麼晚才會處理也是因為\n\n23\n00:07:53,155 --> 00:08:07,726\n上個會期有重大的這個救安基金的爭議才會延遲因為當時我們都在檢討為什麼救安基金會有如此大的弊案剩下兩成就是有勞動部來支出那勞動部呢我們是編列在哪一個預算我們是編列在勞動保險司的預算裡面的這個講輔助費裡面所以我們回去翻\n\n24\n00:08:14,551 --> 00:08:31,262\n所有的刪減報告等等就是沒有講補助案的刪減所以我也希望啊您跟未來您的同事們出去也不要再這樣子講了好嗎那個所以我剛才說明我在這部分是有口誤但是主要我們來講我們來講凍結來我們來講凍結我們來講凍結\n\n25\n00:08:37,646 --> 00:09:00,206\n因為這個是我之前翻出來的其實您在當立法委員的時候也有提出非常非常多的預算案那我們來看113年3月的時候其實那個時候送了21件的解凍案進來有20件很快就已經解凍了而且我看劉建國委員昭偉今天其實也排了非常多的解凍案其實如果今天沒有這個復議的大戰\n\n26\n00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:21,935\n我們早就已經把解凍報告送進來了假設這些不是假設我已經看完了大概就是5%到10%的預算你們前半年就可以解凍了你現在根本不需要講這些不屬實的話我是希望部長一分錢做一分事你知道你今年的預算是已經比去年多了58億58億\n\n27\n00:09:26,809 --> 00:09:47,122\n那個跟陳委員說明我想我也做過立法委員在預算的審議上面很重要的是必須看科目尤其是科目又不能留用所以其實在我剛才說的產檢跟賠產檢價上面今年三更動幾乎是整筆項目的三成\n\n28\n00:09:47,842 --> 00:10:04,179\n我們希望啦如果你們可以好好的把這些解凍案送進來並且做好報告的話我們所有的委員我們所有的委員都會關注全民關注的事情好嗎那最後我時間不太多所以我要問一下我最近對不起\n\n29\n00:10:07,182 --> 00:10:26,057\n主席我問最後一個問題因為這是護理師比較關心的昨天我有參加一個依依人力銀行這個護理方的問題這最後一個問題很快這個護理師您在從立委轉任到部長前您也有為護理師發言還拍了一些短片啊等等的\n\n30\n00:10:26,758 --> 00:10:40,959\n那當然他們現在有提到說希望可以開放資深的移工還有僑外生擔任中階的護佐並且提高薪資門檻到三萬四千元好那我想知道說您跟衛福部開會做的規劃是如何了呢\n\n31\n00:10:42,783 --> 00:11:10,849\n是針對中介戶左嗎對因為你們要從橋外申來這個案子主要是衛福部來跟勞動部申請的案子我們有兩點我們第一個我們在看的事情是關於這個薪資門檻的部分那第二個事情是當然我們也會很在意的事情是因為這個案子如果他的原意是希望讓戶左跟這個護理師有一個更好的分工讓護理師可以更專心的去做他們專業的工作那所以我們也會希望衛福部要確認\n\n32\n00:11:12,429 --> 00:11:36,645\n在戶左跟護理師的分工的界面上面能夠更清楚能夠讓分工有效或專業我覺得這部分很重要所以你們現在的標準跟訓練內容其實是還沒有明確的嗎當然相關的訓練的內容這部分是衛福部他們這邊來提出可是我們是作為跟衛福部一起討論這事情的單位的話對我們來說我剛才講的部分是重要的配套這個配套要做到\n\n33\n00:11:37,065 --> 00:11:55,315\n好那我已經初步幫您統計起來了目前橋外生在這裡學習護理科系的總共是187名那我具體的跟您建議如果這187名學生您可以去調查他的意向是不是有願意留在台灣或者是他更傾向回到母國\n\n34\n00:11:56,135 --> 00:12:21,215\n我覺得你有做出這樣子的統計我們再來後續的落實因為台灣目前自己衛福部預估護理需要到2030年這個缺口啊高達5.5到7.4萬的護理人力所以我想這個187名的意願雖然他們是在這個缺口裡面占少數可是他們的意願對於您後來跟衛福部的這個合作非常的重要\n\n35\n00:12:21,795 --> 00:12:44,354\n跟柯文說明當然護理的人力整體這部分還是要看衛福部他們怎麼樣來做護理人力的整體的規劃那我們主要是在於是說這些相關的管制工作上面最後要做什麼樣子的管制規劃當然我們也不太希望說您可能開了這樣子的這個缺結果最後申請的人非常的少調查他們這187個人的意願也是蠻重要的總體的評估我們來跟衛福部討論謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n36\n00:12:51,197 --> 00:12:51,218\n好謝謝請問\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n543\t1926\t可不可以也給我們未還委員會的委員\n5160\t31151\t還有我們國民黨黨團我們也想看這個7000萬您到底要如何發揮你的魄力把它追討回來報告上面不是寫如何追討回來因為最後怎麼處理是審計部的判定那這個所謂的我們的回函主要是針對審計部提出來的這些項目那我們去釐清然後我們認為哪些部分需要檢討上面的說明\n31371\t46913\t那這個是我們的責任因為民眾希望可以追討回來好再來呢這個也是近期非常多人關心的議題不知道部長有沒有看到前陣子有一位三種的醫師因為聚開巴士兩表遭到家屬攻擊最終就被判刑了\n47313\t58725\t那近期醫護荒呢像這樣子的巴氏量表也常常出現在急重症的病房更是容易造成衝突那當然今年12月31號三讀通過舊輔法第46條滿80歲以上免金巴氏量表就可以聘移工的這個規定\n65692\t85501\t那當然我是來幫關心這件事的家庭來做一個追就是追問想請教您因為你常常在媒體上會講到說需要六個月以上待配套完成才可以發布實施我想知道說最快您會需要多久最慢您會需要多久\n87180\t105500\t我跟陳委員說明因為這個其實蠻多人關心這個問題那我有看到之前好像有一些政治人物說我們在這個問題上面因為沒有馬上上路所以就說是行政怠惰那我要跟委員說明這樣的說法我認為對我們的同仁是很不公平的\n106020\t133052\t應該是說當在野黨在提出一讀二讀三讀的過程其實很明顯的您可以感受到在野黨對這個立場的堅持但是您在整個過程當中卻是不斷的提出反對反對反對而沒有具體的去想說也許你也可以開始規劃配套措施整合我們的長照的制度無異於漠視有這樣子需求的家庭繼續在受苦成人不是這樣子的\n134633\t145520\t總統在這個法案是1月20號然後公告那本部是在1月17號就找了衛福部開跨部會的會議來去討論這個法通過以後後續的因應\n150023\t162307\t那這個法後續的因應其實現在有很多的重症家庭是很擔心的因為已經陸陸續續看到一些重症家庭他們聘護移工他們移工已經有這個想要棄重則輕的狀況所以我們現在在做的配套\n166008\t172731\t主要是要來怎麼確保重症家庭他們能夠找到相關照護資源的權利所以我們會設計一個雙軌的流程所以我一開始其實我就是幫這些關心這件事的人稍微問進度我只是問您最快幾時最慢幾時\n184917\t199313\t要讓各位關心這件事情的人自己心中有一把尺他知道他大概哪一個時間內您會說我們可以開始送件我可以讓包括在立法院關心這邊的委員知道\n200174\t227287\t我們現在在做幾件事情第一個事情是因為要去兼顧重症家庭的權益所以我們會設計一個雙軌分流來去讓重症家庭能夠更簡單的方式更容易的方式來去做相關的申請而不會他的權益受到影響這是第一個第二個因為有這個雙軌的流程所以很多地方的長照中心也好或者相關的服務單位他們需要增加人力所以我們現在也要找裁員還要招募還要訓練\n228307\t257439\t這算起來也需要幾個月的時間還有一個重點是也需要來跟我們的移工來源國因為四個移工來源國來討論是不是能夠增加引進那移工來源國他也有他相關的訓練單位的量能這部分也要去協調所以在這些工作林林總統下還包括法規的修訂我們認為最快可能要六個月而這六個月其實真的已經是壓縮了已經是高度的壓縮最慢了我們就是希望六個月可以我們希望六個月可以完成\n258739\t276365\t謝謝謝謝那我們也希望可以在7月底之前上路因為這個我們研究了一下相關的執法的盤點修改我相信比較其他修法其實並沒有調整的非常多所以我也希望部長可以落實這個法案的精神積極的去做好嗎對但我還是要幫我們同仁說話我們絕對沒有在這裡面\n280326\t308866\t行政怠惰或者相關的杯葛這是立法院三讀通過的法律我們當然會執行只是我們要把配套做好因為如果配套沒有做好可能會引起更多這個聘僱市場失序的狀況這是我們不樂見的情況會影響到很多人的權益您之前有提出一個數據您說預估可能會增加多少份的送件這是您預估出來的目前是會53萬人取得資格但\n309466\t330864\t我們自己有推估了一下 覺得可能會有可能將近10萬人左右 會快速的增加我也希望可以跟您要到一份您是怎麼統計出這樣子的數據的 您是有去做民調嗎還是您是有去找了一個量本數用過去的資料推估那我可以一周內請您提供這一份資料嗎\n334887\t359523\t好謝謝那再來呢想要跟您討論一下最近我們的委員針對預算到底經過審議每個科別積木別科子木還剩下多少預算如何的核實分配預算數接下來要請行政院還有部本部調控那我有發公文到勞動部勞動部公文還沒有回來但是已經電話回覆說還在調整分配中請問這件事正確嗎您還在調整分配中還在部本部內調控\n365087\t393163\t是是啊 正確對那我想請問為什麼您可以在上節目的時候大談今年的育兒津貼被凍結被刪除我想問你是從本部的哪一個預算出的被凍結多少是哪一個科子目因為是您上的節目您講的話所以我們就請部長來回答是 好謝謝有人給我這個機會說明我確實前兩天在這個媒體上面那\n394023\t413831\t我後來看我們是有這個我這邊也是有口誤的部分你是說錯還是口誤那為什麼您會覺得有這樣子的口誤呢你是從哪邊推我先說明主要被刪減跟凍結的部分是在用來做產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助\n416992\t431348\t所以產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助還是被刪跟凍還是會影響這些新手爸媽相關的權益這部分是在我們的勞動條件及就業平等業務的這個部分又有凍結也有刪減\n433735\t451469\t那這當然是影響新手包含權益但我確實口誤講成是育嬰留庭相關的薪資補助因為可能最近開了育嬰留庭的會議開的太多了所以有這個口誤但實際上面是產檢價跟陪產檢價的薪資補助那請您在這邊跟大家澄清說沒有影響到育嬰留庭\n452310\t456151\t這邊也是你們勞動部自己的新聞稿六成是從就業保險基金支出就業保險基金我們根本還沒有處理到我們晚一點才會處理那你也知道為什麼我們基金這麼晚才會處理也是因為\n473155\t487726\t上個會期有重大的這個救安基金的爭議才會延遲因為當時我們都在檢討為什麼救安基金會有如此大的弊案剩下兩成就是有勞動部來支出那勞動部呢我們是編列在哪一個預算我們是編列在勞動保險司的預算裡面的這個講輔助費裡面所以我們回去翻\n494551\t511262\t所有的刪減報告等等就是沒有講補助案的刪減所以我也希望啊您跟未來您的同事們出去也不要再這樣子講了好嗎那個所以我剛才說明我在這部分是有口誤但是主要我們來講我們來講凍結來我們來講凍結我們來講凍結\n517646\t540206\t因為這個是我之前翻出來的其實您在當立法委員的時候也有提出非常非常多的預算案那我們來看113年3月的時候其實那個時候送了21件的解凍案進來有20件很快就已經解凍了而且我看劉建國委員 昭偉今天其實也排了非常多的解凍案其實如果今天沒有這個復議的大戰\n542208\t561935\t我們早就已經把解凍報告送進來了假設這些不是假設我已經看完了大概就是5%到10%的預算你們前半年就可以解凍了你現在根本不需要講這些不屬實的話我是希望部長一分錢做一分事你知道你今年的預算是已經比去年多了58億58億\n566809\t587122\t那個跟陳委員說明我想我也做過立法委員在預算的審議上面很重要的是必須看科目尤其是科目又不能留用所以其實在我剛才說的產檢跟賠產檢價上面今年三更動幾乎是整筆項目的三成\n587842\t604179\t我們希望啦如果你們可以好好的把這些解凍案送進來並且做好報告的話我們所有的委員我們所有的委員都會關注全民關注的事情好嗎那最後我時間不太多所以我要問一下我最近對不起\n607182\t626057\t主席我問最後一個問題因為這是護理師比較關心的昨天我有參加一個依依人力銀行這個護理方的問題這最後一個問題很快這個護理師您在從立委轉任到部長前您也有為護理師發言還拍了一些短片啊等等的\n626758\t640959\t那當然他們現在有提到說希望可以開放資深的移工還有僑外生擔任中階的護佐並且提高薪資門檻到三萬四千元好那我想知道說您跟衛福部開會做的規劃是如何了呢\n642783\t670849\t是針對中介戶左嗎對 因為你們要從橋外申來這個案子主要是衛福部來跟勞動部申請的案子我們有兩點我們第一個我們在看的事情是關於這個薪資門檻的部分那第二個事情是當然我們也會很在意的事情是因為這個案子如果他的原意是希望讓戶左跟這個護理師有一個更好的分工讓護理師可以更專心的去做他們專業的工作那所以我們也會希望衛福部要確認\n672429\t696645\t在戶左跟護理師的分工的界面上面能夠更清楚能夠讓分工有效或專業我覺得這部分很重要所以你們現在的標準跟訓練內容其實是還沒有明確的嗎當然相關的訓練的內容這部分是衛福部他們這邊來提出可是我們是作為跟衛福部一起討論這事情的單位的話對我們來說我剛才講的部分是重要的配套這個配套要做到\n697065\t715315\t好 那我已經初步幫您統計起來了目前橋外生在這裡學習護理科系的總共是187名那我具體的跟您建議如果這187名學生您可以去調查他的意向是不是有願意留在台灣或者是他更傾向回到母國\n716135\t741215\t我覺得你有做出這樣子的統計我們再來後續的落實因為台灣目前自己衛福部預估護理需要到2030年這個缺口啊高達5.5到7.4萬的護理人力所以我想這個187名的意願雖然他們是在這個缺口裡面占少數可是他們的意願對於您後來跟衛福部的這個合作非常的重要\n741795\t764354\t跟柯文說明當然護理的人力整體這部分還是要看衛福部他們怎麼樣來做護理人力的整體的規劃那我們主要是在於是說這些相關的管制工作上面最後要做什麼樣子的管制規劃當然我們也不太希望說您可能開了這樣子的這個缺結果最後申請的人非常的少調查他們這187個人的意願也是蠻重要的總體的評估我們來跟衛福部討論謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n771197\t771218\t好 謝謝請問\n","txt":"可不可以也給我們未還委員會的委員\n還有我們國民黨黨團我們也想看這個7000萬您到底要如何發揮你的魄力把它追討回來報告上面不是寫如何追討回來因為最後怎麼處理是審計部的判定那這個所謂的我們的回函主要是針對審計部提出來的這些項目那我們去釐清然後我們認為哪些部分需要檢討上面的說明\n那這個是我們的責任因為民眾希望可以追討回來好再來呢這個也是近期非常多人關心的議題不知道部長有沒有看到前陣子有一位三種的醫師因為聚開巴士兩表遭到家屬攻擊最終就被判刑了\n那近期醫護荒呢像這樣子的巴氏量表也常常出現在急重症的病房更是容易造成衝突那當然今年12月31號三讀通過舊輔法第46條滿80歲以上免金巴氏量表就可以聘移工的這個規定\n那當然我是來幫關心這件事的家庭來做一個追就是追問想請教您因為你常常在媒體上會講到說需要六個月以上待配套完成才可以發布實施我想知道說最快您會需要多久最慢您會需要多久\n我跟陳委員說明因為這個其實蠻多人關心這個問題那我有看到之前好像有一些政治人物說我們在這個問題上面因為沒有馬上上路所以就說是行政怠惰那我要跟委員說明這樣的說法我認為對我們的同仁是很不公平的\n應該是說當在野黨在提出一讀二讀三讀的過程其實很明顯的您可以感受到在野黨對這個立場的堅持但是您在整個過程當中卻是不斷的提出反對反對反對而沒有具體的去想說也許你也可以開始規劃配套措施整合我們的長照的制度無異於漠視有這樣子需求的家庭繼續在受苦成人不是這樣子的\n總統在這個法案是1月20號然後公告那本部是在1月17號就找了衛福部開跨部會的會議來去討論這個法通過以後後續的因應\n那這個法後續的因應其實現在有很多的重症家庭是很擔心的因為已經陸陸續續看到一些重症家庭他們聘護移工他們移工已經有這個想要棄重則輕的狀況所以我們現在在做的配套\n主要是要來怎麼確保重症家庭他們能夠找到相關照護資源的權利所以我們會設計一個雙軌的流程所以我一開始其實我就是幫這些關心這件事的人稍微問進度我只是問您最快幾時最慢幾時\n要讓各位關心這件事情的人自己心中有一把尺他知道他大概哪一個時間內您會說我們可以開始送件我可以讓包括在立法院關心這邊的委員知道\n我們現在在做幾件事情第一個事情是因為要去兼顧重症家庭的權益所以我們會設計一個雙軌分流來去讓重症家庭能夠更簡單的方式更容易的方式來去做相關的申請而不會他的權益受到影響這是第一個第二個因為有這個雙軌的流程所以很多地方的長照中心也好或者相關的服務單位他們需要增加人力所以我們現在也要找裁員還要招募還要訓練\n這算起來也需要幾個月的時間還有一個重點是也需要來跟我們的移工來源國因為四個移工來源國來討論是不是能夠增加引進那移工來源國他也有他相關的訓練單位的量能這部分也要去協調所以在這些工作林林總統下還包括法規的修訂我們認為最快可能要六個月而這六個月其實真的已經是壓縮了已經是高度的壓縮最慢了我們就是希望六個月可以我們希望六個月可以完成\n謝謝謝謝那我們也希望可以在7月底之前上路因為這個我們研究了一下相關的執法的盤點修改我相信比較其他修法其實並沒有調整的非常多所以我也希望部長可以落實這個法案的精神積極的去做好嗎對但我還是要幫我們同仁說話我們絕對沒有在這裡面\n行政怠惰或者相關的杯葛這是立法院三讀通過的法律我們當然會執行只是我們要把配套做好因為如果配套沒有做好可能會引起更多這個聘僱市場失序的狀況這是我們不樂見的情況會影響到很多人的權益您之前有提出一個數據您說預估可能會增加多少份的送件這是您預估出來的目前是會53萬人取得資格但\n我們自己有推估了一下 覺得可能會有可能將近10萬人左右 會快速的增加我也希望可以跟您要到一份您是怎麼統計出這樣子的數據的 您是有去做民調嗎還是您是有去找了一個量本數用過去的資料推估那我可以一周內請您提供這一份資料嗎\n好謝謝那再來呢想要跟您討論一下最近我們的委員針對預算到底經過審議每個科別積木別科子木還剩下多少預算如何的核實分配預算數接下來要請行政院還有部本部調控那我有發公文到勞動部勞動部公文還沒有回來但是已經電話回覆說還在調整分配中請問這件事正確嗎您還在調整分配中還在部本部內調控\n是是啊 正確對那我想請問為什麼您可以在上節目的時候大談今年的育兒津貼被凍結被刪除我想問你是從本部的哪一個預算出的被凍結多少是哪一個科子目因為是您上的節目您講的話所以我們就請部長來回答是 好謝謝有人給我這個機會說明我確實前兩天在這個媒體上面那\n我後來看我們是有這個我這邊也是有口誤的部分你是說錯還是口誤那為什麼您會覺得有這樣子的口誤呢你是從哪邊推我先說明主要被刪減跟凍結的部分是在用來做產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助\n所以產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助還是被刪跟凍還是會影響這些新手爸媽相關的權益這部分是在我們的勞動條件及就業平等業務的這個部分又有凍結也有刪減\n那這當然是影響新手包含權益但我確實口誤講成是育嬰留庭相關的薪資補助因為可能最近開了育嬰留庭的會議開的太多了所以有這個口誤但實際上面是產檢價跟陪產檢價的薪資補助那請您在這邊跟大家澄清說沒有影響到育嬰留庭\n這邊也是你們勞動部自己的新聞稿六成是從就業保險基金支出就業保險基金我們根本還沒有處理到我們晚一點才會處理那你也知道為什麼我們基金這麼晚才會處理也是因為\n上個會期有重大的這個救安基金的爭議才會延遲因為當時我們都在檢討為什麼救安基金會有如此大的弊案剩下兩成就是有勞動部來支出那勞動部呢我們是編列在哪一個預算我們是編列在勞動保險司的預算裡面的這個講輔助費裡面所以我們回去翻\n所有的刪減報告等等就是沒有講補助案的刪減所以我也希望啊您跟未來您的同事們出去也不要再這樣子講了好嗎那個所以我剛才說明我在這部分是有口誤但是主要我們來講我們來講凍結來我們來講凍結我們來講凍結\n因為這個是我之前翻出來的其實您在當立法委員的時候也有提出非常非常多的預算案那我們來看113年3月的時候其實那個時候送了21件的解凍案進來有20件很快就已經解凍了而且我看劉建國委員 昭偉今天其實也排了非常多的解凍案其實如果今天沒有這個復議的大戰\n我們早就已經把解凍報告送進來了假設這些不是假設我已經看完了大概就是5%到10%的預算你們前半年就可以解凍了你現在根本不需要講這些不屬實的話我是希望部長一分錢做一分事你知道你今年的預算是已經比去年多了58億58億\n那個跟陳委員說明我想我也做過立法委員在預算的審議上面很重要的是必須看科目尤其是科目又不能留用所以其實在我剛才說的產檢跟賠產檢價上面今年三更動幾乎是整筆項目的三成\n我們希望啦如果你們可以好好的把這些解凍案送進來並且做好報告的話我們所有的委員我們所有的委員都會關注全民關注的事情好嗎那最後我時間不太多所以我要問一下我最近對不起\n主席我問最後一個問題因為這是護理師比較關心的昨天我有參加一個依依人力銀行這個護理方的問題這最後一個問題很快這個護理師您在從立委轉任到部長前您也有為護理師發言還拍了一些短片啊等等的\n那當然他們現在有提到說希望可以開放資深的移工還有僑外生擔任中階的護佐並且提高薪資門檻到三萬四千元好那我想知道說您跟衛福部開會做的規劃是如何了呢\n是針對中介戶左嗎對 因為你們要從橋外申來這個案子主要是衛福部來跟勞動部申請的案子我們有兩點我們第一個我們在看的事情是關於這個薪資門檻的部分那第二個事情是當然我們也會很在意的事情是因為這個案子如果他的原意是希望讓戶左跟這個護理師有一個更好的分工讓護理師可以更專心的去做他們專業的工作那所以我們也會希望衛福部要確認\n在戶左跟護理師的分工的界面上面能夠更清楚能夠讓分工有效或專業我覺得這部分很重要所以你們現在的標準跟訓練內容其實是還沒有明確的嗎當然相關的訓練的內容這部分是衛福部他們這邊來提出可是我們是作為跟衛福部一起討論這事情的單位的話對我們來說我剛才講的部分是重要的配套這個配套要做到\n好 那我已經初步幫您統計起來了目前橋外生在這裡學習護理科系的總共是187名那我具體的跟您建議如果這187名學生您可以去調查他的意向是不是有願意留在台灣或者是他更傾向回到母國\n我覺得你有做出這樣子的統計我們再來後續的落實因為台灣目前自己衛福部預估護理需要到2030年這個缺口啊高達5.5到7.4萬的護理人力所以我想這個187名的意願雖然他們是在這個缺口裡面占少數可是他們的意願對於您後來跟衛福部的這個合作非常的重要\n跟柯文說明當然護理的人力整體這部分還是要看衛福部他們怎麼樣來做護理人力的整體的規劃那我們主要是在於是說這些相關的管制工作上面最後要做什麼樣子的管制規劃當然我們也不太希望說您可能開了這樣子的這個缺結果最後申請的人非常的少調查他們這187個人的意願也是蠻重要的總體的評估我們來跟衛福部討論謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n好 謝謝請問\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.543 --> 00:01.926\n可不可以也給我們未還委員會的委員\n\n00:05.160 --> 00:31.151\n還有我們國民黨黨團我們也想看這個7000萬您到底要如何發揮你的魄力把它追討回來報告上面不是寫如何追討回來因為最後怎麼處理是審計部的判定那這個所謂的我們的回函主要是針對審計部提出來的這些項目那我們去釐清然後我們認為哪些部分需要檢討上面的說明\n\n00:31.371 --> 00:46.913\n那這個是我們的責任因為民眾希望可以追討回來好再來呢這個也是近期非常多人關心的議題不知道部長有沒有看到前陣子有一位三種的醫師因為聚開巴士兩表遭到家屬攻擊最終就被判刑了\n\n00:47.313 --> 00:58.725\n那近期醫護荒呢像這樣子的巴氏量表也常常出現在急重症的病房更是容易造成衝突那當然今年12月31號三讀通過舊輔法第46條滿80歲以上免金巴氏量表就可以聘移工的這個規定\n\n01:05.692 --> 01:25.501\n那當然我是來幫關心這件事的家庭來做一個追就是追問想請教您因為你常常在媒體上會講到說需要六個月以上待配套完成才可以發布實施我想知道說最快您會需要多久最慢您會需要多久\n\n01:27.180 --> 01:45.500\n我跟陳委員說明因為這個其實蠻多人關心這個問題那我有看到之前好像有一些政治人物說我們在這個問題上面因為沒有馬上上路所以就說是行政怠惰那我要跟委員說明這樣的說法我認為對我們的同仁是很不公平的\n\n01:46.020 --> 02:13.052\n應該是說當在野黨在提出一讀二讀三讀的過程其實很明顯的您可以感受到在野黨對這個立場的堅持但是您在整個過程當中卻是不斷的提出反對反對反對而沒有具體的去想說也許你也可以開始規劃配套措施整合我們的長照的制度無異於漠視有這樣子需求的家庭繼續在受苦成人不是這樣子的\n\n02:14.633 --> 02:25.520\n總統在這個法案是1月20號然後公告那本部是在1月17號就找了衛福部開跨部會的會議來去討論這個法通過以後後續的因應\n\n02:30.023 --> 02:42.307\n那這個法後續的因應其實現在有很多的重症家庭是很擔心的因為已經陸陸續續看到一些重症家庭他們聘護移工他們移工已經有這個想要棄重則輕的狀況所以我們現在在做的配套\n\n02:46.008 --> 02:52.731\n主要是要來怎麼確保重症家庭他們能夠找到相關照護資源的權利所以我們會設計一個雙軌的流程所以我一開始其實我就是幫這些關心這件事的人稍微問進度我只是問您最快幾時最慢幾時\n\n03:04.917 --> 03:19.313\n要讓各位關心這件事情的人自己心中有一把尺他知道他大概哪一個時間內您會說我們可以開始送件我可以讓包括在立法院關心這邊的委員知道\n\n03:20.174 --> 03:47.287\n我們現在在做幾件事情第一個事情是因為要去兼顧重症家庭的權益所以我們會設計一個雙軌分流來去讓重症家庭能夠更簡單的方式更容易的方式來去做相關的申請而不會他的權益受到影響這是第一個第二個因為有這個雙軌的流程所以很多地方的長照中心也好或者相關的服務單位他們需要增加人力所以我們現在也要找裁員還要招募還要訓練\n\n03:48.307 --> 04:17.439\n這算起來也需要幾個月的時間還有一個重點是也需要來跟我們的移工來源國因為四個移工來源國來討論是不是能夠增加引進那移工來源國他也有他相關的訓練單位的量能這部分也要去協調所以在這些工作林林總統下還包括法規的修訂我們認為最快可能要六個月而這六個月其實真的已經是壓縮了已經是高度的壓縮最慢了我們就是希望六個月可以我們希望六個月可以完成\n\n04:18.739 --> 04:36.365\n謝謝謝謝那我們也希望可以在7月底之前上路因為這個我們研究了一下相關的執法的盤點修改我相信比較其他修法其實並沒有調整的非常多所以我也希望部長可以落實這個法案的精神積極的去做好嗎對但我還是要幫我們同仁說話我們絕對沒有在這裡面\n\n04:40.326 --> 05:08.866\n行政怠惰或者相關的杯葛這是立法院三讀通過的法律我們當然會執行只是我們要把配套做好因為如果配套沒有做好可能會引起更多這個聘僱市場失序的狀況這是我們不樂見的情況會影響到很多人的權益您之前有提出一個數據您說預估可能會增加多少份的送件這是您預估出來的目前是會53萬人取得資格但\n\n05:09.466 --> 05:30.864\n我們自己有推估了一下覺得可能會有可能將近10萬人左右會快速的增加我也希望可以跟您要到一份您是怎麼統計出這樣子的數據的您是有去做民調嗎還是您是有去找了一個量本數用過去的資料推估那我可以一周內請您提供這一份資料嗎\n\n05:34.887 --> 05:59.523\n好謝謝那再來呢想要跟您討論一下最近我們的委員針對預算到底經過審議每個科別積木別科子木還剩下多少預算如何的核實分配預算數接下來要請行政院還有部本部調控那我有發公文到勞動部勞動部公文還沒有回來但是已經電話回覆說還在調整分配中請問這件事正確嗎您還在調整分配中還在部本部內調控\n\n06:05.087 --> 06:33.163\n是是啊正確對那我想請問為什麼您可以在上節目的時候大談今年的育兒津貼被凍結被刪除我想問你是從本部的哪一個預算出的被凍結多少是哪一個科子目因為是您上的節目您講的話所以我們就請部長來回答是好謝謝有人給我這個機會說明我確實前兩天在這個媒體上面那\n\n06:34.023 --> 06:53.831\n我後來看我們是有這個我這邊也是有口誤的部分你是說錯還是口誤那為什麼您會覺得有這樣子的口誤呢你是從哪邊推我先說明主要被刪減跟凍結的部分是在用來做產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助\n\n06:56.992 --> 07:11.348\n所以產檢價跟賠產檢價的薪資補助還是被刪跟凍還是會影響這些新手爸媽相關的權益這部分是在我們的勞動條件及就業平等業務的這個部分又有凍結也有刪減\n\n07:13.735 --> 07:31.469\n那這當然是影響新手包含權益但我確實口誤講成是育嬰留庭相關的薪資補助因為可能最近開了育嬰留庭的會議開的太多了所以有這個口誤但實際上面是產檢價跟陪產檢價的薪資補助那請您在這邊跟大家澄清說沒有影響到育嬰留庭\n\n07:32.310 --> 07:36.151\n這邊也是你們勞動部自己的新聞稿六成是從就業保險基金支出就業保險基金我們根本還沒有處理到我們晚一點才會處理那你也知道為什麼我們基金這麼晚才會處理也是因為\n\n07:53.155 --> 08:07.726\n上個會期有重大的這個救安基金的爭議才會延遲因為當時我們都在檢討為什麼救安基金會有如此大的弊案剩下兩成就是有勞動部來支出那勞動部呢我們是編列在哪一個預算我們是編列在勞動保險司的預算裡面的這個講輔助費裡面所以我們回去翻\n\n08:14.551 --> 08:31.262\n所有的刪減報告等等就是沒有講補助案的刪減所以我也希望啊您跟未來您的同事們出去也不要再這樣子講了好嗎那個所以我剛才說明我在這部分是有口誤但是主要我們來講我們來講凍結來我們來講凍結我們來講凍結\n\n08:37.646 --> 09:00.206\n因為這個是我之前翻出來的其實您在當立法委員的時候也有提出非常非常多的預算案那我們來看113年3月的時候其實那個時候送了21件的解凍案進來有20件很快就已經解凍了而且我看劉建國委員昭偉今天其實也排了非常多的解凍案其實如果今天沒有這個復議的大戰\n\n09:02.208 --> 09:21.935\n我們早就已經把解凍報告送進來了假設這些不是假設我已經看完了大概就是5%到10%的預算你們前半年就可以解凍了你現在根本不需要講這些不屬實的話我是希望部長一分錢做一分事你知道你今年的預算是已經比去年多了58億58億\n\n09:26.809 --> 09:47.122\n那個跟陳委員說明我想我也做過立法委員在預算的審議上面很重要的是必須看科目尤其是科目又不能留用所以其實在我剛才說的產檢跟賠產檢價上面今年三更動幾乎是整筆項目的三成\n\n09:47.842 --> 10:04.179\n我們希望啦如果你們可以好好的把這些解凍案送進來並且做好報告的話我們所有的委員我們所有的委員都會關注全民關注的事情好嗎那最後我時間不太多所以我要問一下我最近對不起\n\n10:07.182 --> 10:26.057\n主席我問最後一個問題因為這是護理師比較關心的昨天我有參加一個依依人力銀行這個護理方的問題這最後一個問題很快這個護理師您在從立委轉任到部長前您也有為護理師發言還拍了一些短片啊等等的\n\n10:26.758 --> 10:40.959\n那當然他們現在有提到說希望可以開放資深的移工還有僑外生擔任中階的護佐並且提高薪資門檻到三萬四千元好那我想知道說您跟衛福部開會做的規劃是如何了呢\n\n10:42.783 --> 11:10.849\n是針對中介戶左嗎對因為你們要從橋外申來這個案子主要是衛福部來跟勞動部申請的案子我們有兩點我們第一個我們在看的事情是關於這個薪資門檻的部分那第二個事情是當然我們也會很在意的事情是因為這個案子如果他的原意是希望讓戶左跟這個護理師有一個更好的分工讓護理師可以更專心的去做他們專業的工作那所以我們也會希望衛福部要確認\n\n11:12.429 --> 11:36.645\n在戶左跟護理師的分工的界面上面能夠更清楚能夠讓分工有效或專業我覺得這部分很重要所以你們現在的標準跟訓練內容其實是還沒有明確的嗎當然相關的訓練的內容這部分是衛福部他們這邊來提出可是我們是作為跟衛福部一起討論這事情的單位的話對我們來說我剛才講的部分是重要的配套這個配套要做到\n\n11:37.065 --> 11:55.315\n好那我已經初步幫您統計起來了目前橋外生在這裡學習護理科系的總共是187名那我具體的跟您建議如果這187名學生您可以去調查他的意向是不是有願意留在台灣或者是他更傾向回到母國\n\n11:56.135 --> 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昭偉今天其實也排了非常多的解凍案其實如果今天沒有這個復議的大戰"},{"start":542.208,"end":561.935,"text":"我們早就已經把解凍報告送進來了假設這些不是假設我已經看完了大概就是5%到10%的預算你們前半年就可以解凍了你現在根本不需要講這些不屬實的話我是希望部長一分錢做一分事你知道你今年的預算是已經比去年多了58億58億"},{"start":566.809,"end":587.122,"text":"那個跟陳委員說明我想我也做過立法委員在預算的審議上面很重要的是必須看科目尤其是科目又不能留用所以其實在我剛才說的產檢跟賠產檢價上面今年三更動幾乎是整筆項目的三成"},{"start":587.842,"end":604.179,"text":"我們希望啦如果你們可以好好的把這些解凍案送進來並且做好報告的話我們所有的委員我們所有的委員都會關注全民關注的事情好嗎那最後我時間不太多所以我要問一下我最近對不起"},{"start":607.182,"end":626.057,"text":"主席我問最後一個問題因為這是護理師比較關心的昨天我有參加一個依依人力銀行這個護理方的問題這最後一個問題很快這個護理師您在從立委轉任到部長前您也有為護理師發言還拍了一些短片啊等等的"},{"start":626.758,"end":640.959,"text":"那當然他們現在有提到說希望可以開放資深的移工還有僑外生擔任中階的護佐並且提高薪資門檻到三萬四千元好那我想知道說您跟衛福部開會做的規劃是如何了呢"},{"start":642.783,"end":670.849,"text":"是針對中介戶左嗎對 因為你們要從橋外申來這個案子主要是衛福部來跟勞動部申請的案子我們有兩點我們第一個我們在看的事情是關於這個薪資門檻的部分那第二個事情是當然我們也會很在意的事情是因為這個案子如果他的原意是希望讓戶左跟這個護理師有一個更好的分工讓護理師可以更專心的去做他們專業的工作那所以我們也會希望衛福部要確認"},{"start":672.429,"end":696.645,"text":"在戶左跟護理師的分工的界面上面能夠更清楚能夠讓分工有效或專業我覺得這部分很重要所以你們現在的標準跟訓練內容其實是還沒有明確的嗎當然相關的訓練的內容這部分是衛福部他們這邊來提出可是我們是作為跟衛福部一起討論這事情的單位的話對我們來說我剛才講的部分是重要的配套這個配套要做到"},{"start":697.065,"end":715.315,"text":"好 那我已經初步幫您統計起來了目前橋外生在這裡學習護理科系的總共是187名那我具體的跟您建議如果這187名學生您可以去調查他的意向是不是有願意留在台灣或者是他更傾向回到母國"},{"start":716.135,"end":741.215,"text":"我覺得你有做出這樣子的統計我們再來後續的落實因為台灣目前自己衛福部預估護理需要到2030年這個缺口啊高達5.5到7.4萬的護理人力所以我想這個187名的意願雖然他們是在這個缺口裡面占少數可是他們的意願對於您後來跟衛福部的這個合作非常的重要"},{"start":741.795,"end":764.354,"text":"跟柯文說明當然護理的人力整體這部分還是要看衛福部他們怎麼樣來做護理人力的整體的規劃那我們主要是在於是說這些相關的管制工作上面最後要做什麼樣子的管制規劃當然我們也不太希望說您可能開了這樣子的這個缺結果最後申請的人非常的少調查他們這187個人的意願也是蠻重要的總體的評估我們來跟衛福部討論謝謝部長 謝謝主席"},{"start":771.197,"end":771.218,"text":"好 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