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00:02:35,316\n微軟在這邊設那麼多年杜邦在這邊這麼多年他們也沒有洩密過他也沒有變成台灣的公司一樣的台灣的企業其實很多像台積電在中國設廠很久但是沒有一個機密外洩所以我們應該要相信台積電有能力保護自己那也要支持台積電進軍全世界\n\n8\n00:02:36,024 --> 00:03:00,332\n主委您這個論點非常重要也非常好可惜在前面這一段時間大概很少聽到您在這一方面的談話我覺得這個其實是要強化國人對於企業佈局國際的這樣一個宏觀戰略的思考跟防度散播流言的這樣的一個\n\n9\n00:03:02,455 --> 00:03:04,396\n所以台積電到美國去設廠我們的關鍵技術其實還是鎖在台灣還是鎖在自己核心內圈它不會變成美積電\n\n10\n00:03:25,123 --> 00:03:49,280\n那就你們的整體的管制原則您前幾天有特別講到就是說台積電到美國投資適用N-1的規定你們會堅守這三大原則所以這三大原則在台積電到美國去設廠之前是不是政府已經完全有通過所謂的這個三大管制原則\n\n11\n00:03:50,040 --> 00:04:10,677\n第二個我要請教就是說台積電現在走向國際那對於人才的需求一定是非常的大量您擔不擔心台灣的人才已經面臨不足的狀態會不會又被磁吸過去因為瘋了全部往美國跑了那台灣怎麼辦\n\n12\n00:04:14,395 --> 00:04:33,912\n這幾點很快速跟委員報告第一個我們跟台積電本來就有溝通那台積電的做法是這樣他一定要用台灣的人才跟台灣的技術因為他們告訴我的說是台灣人才是最好的所以他每一個最新的製程一定在台灣運作到非常的順暢才會出去\n\n13\n00:04:35,273 --> 00:04:55,909\n但是現在一個世代他一個產品丟出去要六個月才會完成所以整個磨練過來至少會經過一年半最快一年半到兩年他才會進入穩定期穩定期才會出去蓋工廠工廠再一蓋又要蓋一年多所以他會落後台灣大概將近三年的一個世代這是絕對的\n\n14\n00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:24,572\n不只是政府的管理這個當然進到了投審會投審會一定會去管理他那這是確定的第二個是人才的部分美國其實也有限制工作許可證他不會那麼多人都可以派到所以他沒有辦法那麼多人過去但是有沒有可能我們比如說我們要從美國挖一些他們的這些科技人才他可能是台籍的或者是台裔的那有沒有可能這些人就不回來了直接就\n\n15\n00:05:25,333 --> 00:05:52,125\n就留在美國工作留在美國的台積電工作那個除非是他原來就在製造業待的人才會過去因為以美國的工作條件裡面科技業跟金融業都比製造業來的性質優渥所以其實沒有那麼好競爭所以你對於人才流失這一塊你不擔心但是你對於台灣的整體的人才培育這一塊你擔不擔心你覺得我們有沒有什麼更好的方法可以留住這些好人才\n\n16\n00:05:53,084 --> 00:06:18,995\n基本上台灣的人才外流的並沒有比例是並沒有那麼高那我們因為主要是台灣主要是提供的就業機會比別人多造成我們現在事業率是歷史性低的3.4左右那多數人才都是在大概一畢業就很容易找到工作所以台灣的就業環境非常好反而我們在今年年初到美國去攬財的時候就發現很多台灣人是有想回來\n\n17\n00:06:19,795 --> 00:06:44,458\n所以我們現在辦的幾場說明會大概有將近一千六百人左右參加我們的說明會所以你覺得這些人可以回來嗎這個主委啊我接下來要問您的大概就是跟攬財有關整個經濟的展望你們預估今年的成長率會超過3%對不對但是整個國際的局勢是不穩定的\n\n18\n00:06:45,018 --> 00:07:05,738\n所以你如何確定你的經濟成長率是可以超過3%那您剛剛講的這些比如說您的報告有一個五大信賴產業這個大概是跟AI有相關政府的投資跟政府的輔導跟我們整個要投入的人力物力財力在總預算面臨被砍成這樣的時候請問你們要怎麼運作\n\n19\n00:07:09,859 --> 00:07:20,005\n的確在我們的預算裡面受到傷害比較大是在產業處我們產業處刪的是最多產業處總共被刪多少錢?你現在計算出來了嗎?我們被刪了5700萬左右\n\n20\n00:07:27,250 --> 00:07:42,439\n那這個是我們現在也希望盡快如果是解凍的部分我們能夠看看盡快能解凍那我們能夠來往下運作那但是在這個情況下我們還是會積極的推動整個產業的發展我們現在也會積極往這個軟體平台等等的去發展那我們也在規劃我們新的這個產業規劃所以我們會在現有的環境下盡量去\n\n21\n00:07:54,386 --> 00:08:12,404\n主委南北区域不平衡南北的这个区域失衡的状态我想你应该很清楚对对不对我们讲了五大信赖产业那现在的整个投资比例还是北部偏高中南部的厂商其实是偏少\n\n22\n00:08:13,308 --> 00:08:32,197\n那這一點你們要怎麼樣強化要怎麼樣去做我們現在訂了幾個措施你的產業處錢被砍了那國發會要到南部去設立另外的辦公室也沒錢了沒場地了南部行政中心大概現在也只剩下非常非常基本的運作業務費被砍了96%請問你們要怎麼做\n\n23\n00:08:36,474 --> 00:09:01,772\n我們有幾個第一個我們正在商界經濟部在亞灣的辦公室讓我們的國發基金可以進駐那第二個部分是我們現在會積極地跟幾個部會推動亞灣的部分尤其在AI在暖體的部分尤其是搭配未來鴻海在那邊設點跟Media的合作那我們會積極地推動以暖體為核心讓台灣的暖體產業的\n\n24\n00:09:04,013 --> 00:09:19,814\n核心變道在高雄那我們現在大概朝這個方向在積極的去做這個主要我要跟您談的就是說我覺得在區域平衡上面其實現在就像您剛剛報告裡頭有特別提到南部尤其是高雄\n\n25\n00:09:21,716 --> 00:09:48,496\n台南高雄其實跟北部已經形成兩個科技中心已經是兩個科技的大的產業聚落但是南部相對起來還是在正在起步的階段其實需要給予更多的關心甚至給予更多的協助讓更多的科技產業AI產業能夠進駐到南部來緩解北部的這個擁塞\n\n26\n00:09:50,237 --> 00:10:12,010\n所以我覺得在整體的規劃上面你們現在講都是說你會盡量協助啦你們會盡力去推動啦但是實際推動的計畫是什麼我們到目前為止沒有看到那因為我的質詢時間已經到了主委我可不可以請你們再送一份比較細部的資料給本席好不好\n\n27\n00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:23,960\n好的我們會強化在高雄的發展至少讓我知道一下你們未來在高雄的整體的這一些產業規劃發展到底會用在什麼地方到底會怎麼做好的好嗎謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12548\t14152\t謝謝主席我是不是請一下國發會的主委\n23224\t50284\t主委很早主委早主委我想最近的在台湾台积电到美国去投资这件事情其实不管是在台湾或者是在美国都引起相当大的关注尤其在台湾我们自己本国有非常多非常多的讨论大部分的讨论聚焦都会说台积电到美国去投资未来是不是变成美积电\n51624\t75411\t那我其實一直覺得就整個商業的立場或者是在整個半導體發展的戰略考量上面台積電是不是應該要走出去應該是要佈局國際佈局全球不管是在日本或者是在美國或者是在其他的地方\n77011\t94301\t我不知道國發會在這件事情上面的看法是什麼因為大家問了經濟部國部長問了卓榮泰院長好像還沒有人來問過您主委我覺得站在國家發展的策略國家發展的角度上我想聽一下您的看法\n95262\t113327\t我們總統有一個經濟日不落國的願景所以其實我們也是基於這個願景我們是希望台灣的企業能夠立足台灣進行全球的市場那每一個企業其實我在企業待很久企業都希望讓自己能夠國際化\n114767\t134821\t那國際化才有國際化的市場台灣今天科技業能有今天主要是世界提供我們這麼大的市場我們才有今天否則我們是非常微小的企業那另外一個我想跟委員報告一下NVIDIA來這邊設電它不會變成台灣NVIDIA也不會洩露NVIDIA的機密\n135541\t155316\t微軟在這邊設那麼多年杜邦在這邊這麼多年他們也沒有洩密過他也沒有變成台灣的公司一樣的台灣的企業其實很多像台積電在中國設廠很久但是沒有一個機密外洩所以我們應該要相信台積電有能力保護自己那也要支持台積電進軍全世界\n156024\t180332\t主委您這個論點非常重要也非常好可惜在前面這一段時間大概很少聽到您在這一方面的談話我覺得這個其實是要強化國人對於企業佈局國際的這樣一個宏觀戰略的思考跟防度散播流言的這樣的一個\n182455\t184396\t所以台積電到美國去設廠我們的關鍵技術其實還是鎖在台灣還是鎖在自己核心內圈它不會變成美積電\n205123\t229280\t那就你們的整體的管制原則您前幾天有特別講到就是說台積電到美國投資適用N-1的規定你們會堅守這三大原則所以這三大原則在台積電到美國去設廠之前是不是政府已經完全有通過所謂的這個三大管制原則\n230040\t250677\t第二個我要請教就是說台積電現在走向國際那對於人才的需求一定是非常的大量您擔不擔心台灣的人才已經面臨不足的狀態會不會又被磁吸過去因為瘋了全部往美國跑了那台灣怎麼辦\n254395\t273912\t這幾點很快速跟委員報告第一個我們跟台積電本來就有溝通那台積電的做法是這樣他一定要用台灣的人才跟台灣的技術因為他們告訴我的說是台灣人才是最好的所以他每一個最新的製程一定在台灣運作到非常的順暢才會出去\n275273\t295909\t但是現在一個世代他一個產品丟出去要六個月才會完成所以整個磨練過來至少會經過一年半最快一年半到兩年他才會進入穩定期穩定期才會出去蓋工廠工廠再一蓋又要蓋一年多所以他會落後台灣大概將近三年的一個世代這是絕對的\n297330\t324572\t不只是政府的管理這個當然進到了投審會投審會一定會去管理他那這是確定的第二個是人才的部分美國其實也有限制工作許可證他不會那麼多人都可以派到所以他沒有辦法那麼多人過去但是有沒有可能我們比如說我們要從美國挖一些他們的這些科技人才他可能是台籍的或者是台裔的那有沒有可能這些人就不回來了直接就\n325333\t352125\t就留在美國工作留在美國的台積電工作那個除非是他原來就在製造業待的人才會過去因為以美國的工作條件裡面科技業跟金融業都比製造業來的性質優渥所以其實沒有那麼好競爭所以你對於人才流失這一塊你不擔心但是你對於台灣的整體的人才培育這一塊你擔不擔心你覺得我們有沒有什麼更好的方法可以留住這些好人才\n353084\t378995\t基本上台灣的人才外流的並沒有比例是並沒有那麼高那我們因為主要是台灣主要是提供的就業機會比別人多造成我們現在事業率是歷史性低的3.4左右那多數人才都是在大概一畢業就很容易找到工作所以台灣的就業環境非常好反而我們在今年年初到美國去攬財的時候就發現很多台灣人是有想回來\n379795\t404458\t所以我們現在辦的幾場說明會大概有將近一千六百人左右參加我們的說明會所以你覺得這些人可以回來嗎這個主委啊我接下來要問您的大概就是跟攬財有關整個經濟的展望你們預估今年的成長率會超過3%對不對但是整個國際的局勢是不穩定的\n405018\t425738\t所以你如何確定你的經濟成長率是可以超過3%那您剛剛講的這些比如說您的報告有一個五大信賴產業這個大概是跟AI有相關政府的投資跟政府的輔導跟我們整個要投入的人力物力財力在總預算面臨被砍成這樣的時候請問你們要怎麼運作\n429859\t440005\t的確在我們的預算裡面受到傷害比較大是在產業處我們產業處刪的是最多產業處總共被刪多少錢?你現在計算出來了嗎?我們被刪了5700萬左右\n447250\t462439\t那這個是我們現在也希望盡快如果是解凍的部分我們能夠看看盡快能解凍那我們能夠來往下運作那但是在這個情況下我們還是會積極的推動整個產業的發展我們現在也會積極往這個軟體平台等等的去發展那我們也在規劃我們新的這個產業規劃所以我們會在現有的環境下盡量去\n474386\t492404\t主委南北区域不平衡南北的这个区域失衡的状态我想你应该很清楚对对不对我们讲了五大信赖产业那现在的整个投资比例还是北部偏高中南部的厂商其实是偏少\n493308\t512197\t那這一點你們要怎麼樣強化要怎麼樣去做我們現在訂了幾個措施你的產業處錢被砍了那國發會要到南部去設立另外的辦公室也沒錢了沒場地了南部行政中心大概現在也只剩下非常非常基本的運作業務費被砍了96%請問你們要怎麼做\n516474\t541772\t我們有幾個第一個我們正在商界經濟部在亞灣的辦公室讓我們的國發基金可以進駐那第二個部分是我們現在會積極地跟幾個部會推動亞灣的部分尤其在AI在暖體的部分尤其是搭配未來鴻海在那邊設點跟Media的合作那我們會積極地推動以暖體為核心讓台灣的暖體產業的\n544013\t559814\t核心變道在高雄那我們現在大概朝這個方向在積極的去做這個主要我要跟您談的就是說我覺得在區域平衡上面其實現在就像您剛剛報告裡頭有特別提到南部尤其是高雄\n561716\t588496\t台南高雄其實跟北部已經形成兩個科技中心已經是兩個科技的大的產業聚落但是南部相對起來還是在正在起步的階段其實需要給予更多的關心甚至給予更多的協助讓更多的科技產業AI產業能夠進駐到南部來緩解北部的這個擁塞\n590237\t612010\t所以我覺得在整體的規劃上面你們現在講都是說你會盡量協助啦你們會盡力去推動啦但是實際推動的計畫是什麼我們到目前為止沒有看到那因為我的質詢時間已經到了主委我可不可以請你們再送一份比較細部的資料給本席好不好\n612270\t623960\t好的 我們會強化在高雄的發展至少讓我知道一下你們未來在高雄的整體的這一些產業規劃發展到底會用在什麼地方 到底會怎麼做好的 好嗎 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我是不是請一下國發會的主委\n主委很早主委早主委我想最近的在台湾台积电到美国去投资这件事情其实不管是在台湾或者是在美国都引起相当大的关注尤其在台湾我们自己本国有非常多非常多的讨论大部分的讨论聚焦都会说台积电到美国去投资未来是不是变成美积电\n那我其實一直覺得就整個商業的立場或者是在整個半導體發展的戰略考量上面台積電是不是應該要走出去應該是要佈局國際佈局全球不管是在日本或者是在美國或者是在其他的地方\n我不知道國發會在這件事情上面的看法是什麼因為大家問了經濟部國部長問了卓榮泰院長好像還沒有人來問過您主委我覺得站在國家發展的策略國家發展的角度上我想聽一下您的看法\n我們總統有一個經濟日不落國的願景所以其實我們也是基於這個願景我們是希望台灣的企業能夠立足台灣進行全球的市場那每一個企業其實我在企業待很久企業都希望讓自己能夠國際化\n那國際化才有國際化的市場台灣今天科技業能有今天主要是世界提供我們這麼大的市場我們才有今天否則我們是非常微小的企業那另外一個我想跟委員報告一下NVIDIA來這邊設電它不會變成台灣NVIDIA也不會洩露NVIDIA的機密\n微軟在這邊設那麼多年杜邦在這邊這麼多年他們也沒有洩密過他也沒有變成台灣的公司一樣的台灣的企業其實很多像台積電在中國設廠很久但是沒有一個機密外洩所以我們應該要相信台積電有能力保護自己那也要支持台積電進軍全世界\n主委您這個論點非常重要也非常好可惜在前面這一段時間大概很少聽到您在這一方面的談話我覺得這個其實是要強化國人對於企業佈局國際的這樣一個宏觀戰略的思考跟防度散播流言的這樣的一個\n所以台積電到美國去設廠我們的關鍵技術其實還是鎖在台灣還是鎖在自己核心內圈它不會變成美積電\n那就你們的整體的管制原則您前幾天有特別講到就是說台積電到美國投資適用N-1的規定你們會堅守這三大原則所以這三大原則在台積電到美國去設廠之前是不是政府已經完全有通過所謂的這個三大管制原則\n第二個我要請教就是說台積電現在走向國際那對於人才的需求一定是非常的大量您擔不擔心台灣的人才已經面臨不足的狀態會不會又被磁吸過去因為瘋了全部往美國跑了那台灣怎麼辦\n這幾點很快速跟委員報告第一個我們跟台積電本來就有溝通那台積電的做法是這樣他一定要用台灣的人才跟台灣的技術因為他們告訴我的說是台灣人才是最好的所以他每一個最新的製程一定在台灣運作到非常的順暢才會出去\n但是現在一個世代他一個產品丟出去要六個月才會完成所以整個磨練過來至少會經過一年半最快一年半到兩年他才會進入穩定期穩定期才會出去蓋工廠工廠再一蓋又要蓋一年多所以他會落後台灣大概將近三年的一個世代這是絕對的\n不只是政府的管理這個當然進到了投審會投審會一定會去管理他那這是確定的第二個是人才的部分美國其實也有限制工作許可證他不會那麼多人都可以派到所以他沒有辦法那麼多人過去但是有沒有可能我們比如說我們要從美國挖一些他們的這些科技人才他可能是台籍的或者是台裔的那有沒有可能這些人就不回來了直接就\n就留在美國工作留在美國的台積電工作那個除非是他原來就在製造業待的人才會過去因為以美國的工作條件裡面科技業跟金融業都比製造業來的性質優渥所以其實沒有那麼好競爭所以你對於人才流失這一塊你不擔心但是你對於台灣的整體的人才培育這一塊你擔不擔心你覺得我們有沒有什麼更好的方法可以留住這些好人才\n基本上台灣的人才外流的並沒有比例是並沒有那麼高那我們因為主要是台灣主要是提供的就業機會比別人多造成我們現在事業率是歷史性低的3.4左右那多數人才都是在大概一畢業就很容易找到工作所以台灣的就業環境非常好反而我們在今年年初到美國去攬財的時候就發現很多台灣人是有想回來\n所以我們現在辦的幾場說明會大概有將近一千六百人左右參加我們的說明會所以你覺得這些人可以回來嗎這個主委啊我接下來要問您的大概就是跟攬財有關整個經濟的展望你們預估今年的成長率會超過3%對不對但是整個國際的局勢是不穩定的\n所以你如何確定你的經濟成長率是可以超過3%那您剛剛講的這些比如說您的報告有一個五大信賴產業這個大概是跟AI有相關政府的投資跟政府的輔導跟我們整個要投入的人力物力財力在總預算面臨被砍成這樣的時候請問你們要怎麼運作\n的確在我們的預算裡面受到傷害比較大是在產業處我們產業處刪的是最多產業處總共被刪多少錢?你現在計算出來了嗎?我們被刪了5700萬左右\n那這個是我們現在也希望盡快如果是解凍的部分我們能夠看看盡快能解凍那我們能夠來往下運作那但是在這個情況下我們還是會積極的推動整個產業的發展我們現在也會積極往這個軟體平台等等的去發展那我們也在規劃我們新的這個產業規劃所以我們會在現有的環境下盡量去\n主委南北区域不平衡南北的这个区域失衡的状态我想你应该很清楚对对不对我们讲了五大信赖产业那现在的整个投资比例还是北部偏高中南部的厂商其实是偏少\n那這一點你們要怎麼樣強化要怎麼樣去做我們現在訂了幾個措施你的產業處錢被砍了那國發會要到南部去設立另外的辦公室也沒錢了沒場地了南部行政中心大概現在也只剩下非常非常基本的運作業務費被砍了96%請問你們要怎麼做\n我們有幾個第一個我們正在商界經濟部在亞灣的辦公室讓我們的國發基金可以進駐那第二個部分是我們現在會積極地跟幾個部會推動亞灣的部分尤其在AI在暖體的部分尤其是搭配未來鴻海在那邊設點跟Media的合作那我們會積極地推動以暖體為核心讓台灣的暖體產業的\n核心變道在高雄那我們現在大概朝這個方向在積極的去做這個主要我要跟您談的就是說我覺得在區域平衡上面其實現在就像您剛剛報告裡頭有特別提到南部尤其是高雄\n台南高雄其實跟北部已經形成兩個科技中心已經是兩個科技的大的產業聚落但是南部相對起來還是在正在起步的階段其實需要給予更多的關心甚至給予更多的協助讓更多的科技產業AI產業能夠進駐到南部來緩解北部的這個擁塞\n所以我覺得在整體的規劃上面你們現在講都是說你會盡量協助啦你們會盡力去推動啦但是實際推動的計畫是什麼我們到目前為止沒有看到那因為我的質詢時間已經到了主委我可不可以請你們再送一份比較細部的資料給本席好不好\n好的 我們會強化在高雄的發展至少讓我知道一下你們未來在高雄的整體的這一些產業規劃發展到底會用在什麼地方 到底會怎麼做好的 好嗎 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.548 --> 00:14.152\n謝謝主席我是不是請一下國發會的主委\n\n00:23.224 --> 00:50.284\n主委很早主委早主委我想最近的在台湾台积电到美国去投资这件事情其实不管是在台湾或者是在美国都引起相当大的关注尤其在台湾我们自己本国有非常多非常多的讨论大部分的讨论聚焦都会说台积电到美国去投资未来是不是变成美积电\n\n00:51.624 --> 01:15.411\n那我其實一直覺得就整個商業的立場或者是在整個半導體發展的戰略考量上面台積電是不是應該要走出去應該是要佈局國際佈局全球不管是在日本或者是在美國或者是在其他的地方\n\n01:17.011 --> 01:34.301\n我不知道國發會在這件事情上面的看法是什麼因為大家問了經濟部國部長問了卓榮泰院長好像還沒有人來問過您主委我覺得站在國家發展的策略國家發展的角度上我想聽一下您的看法\n\n01:35.262 --> 01:53.327\n我們總統有一個經濟日不落國的願景所以其實我們也是基於這個願景我們是希望台灣的企業能夠立足台灣進行全球的市場那每一個企業其實我在企業待很久企業都希望讓自己能夠國際化\n\n01:54.767 --> 02:14.821\n那國際化才有國際化的市場台灣今天科技業能有今天主要是世界提供我們這麼大的市場我們才有今天否則我們是非常微小的企業那另外一個我想跟委員報告一下NVIDIA來這邊設電它不會變成台灣NVIDIA也不會洩露NVIDIA的機密\n\n02:15.541 --> 02:35.316\n微軟在這邊設那麼多年杜邦在這邊這麼多年他們也沒有洩密過他也沒有變成台灣的公司一樣的台灣的企業其實很多像台積電在中國設廠很久但是沒有一個機密外洩所以我們應該要相信台積電有能力保護自己那也要支持台積電進軍全世界\n\n02:36.024 --> 03:00.332\n主委您這個論點非常重要也非常好可惜在前面這一段時間大概很少聽到您在這一方面的談話我覺得這個其實是要強化國人對於企業佈局國際的這樣一個宏觀戰略的思考跟防度散播流言的這樣的一個\n\n03:02.455 --> 03:04.396\n所以台積電到美國去設廠我們的關鍵技術其實還是鎖在台灣還是鎖在自己核心內圈它不會變成美積電\n\n03:25.123 --> 03:49.280\n那就你們的整體的管制原則您前幾天有特別講到就是說台積電到美國投資適用N-1的規定你們會堅守這三大原則所以這三大原則在台積電到美國去設廠之前是不是政府已經完全有通過所謂的這個三大管制原則\n\n03:50.040 --> 04:10.677\n第二個我要請教就是說台積電現在走向國際那對於人才的需求一定是非常的大量您擔不擔心台灣的人才已經面臨不足的狀態會不會又被磁吸過去因為瘋了全部往美國跑了那台灣怎麼辦\n\n04:14.395 --> 04:33.912\n這幾點很快速跟委員報告第一個我們跟台積電本來就有溝通那台積電的做法是這樣他一定要用台灣的人才跟台灣的技術因為他們告訴我的說是台灣人才是最好的所以他每一個最新的製程一定在台灣運作到非常的順暢才會出去\n\n04:35.273 --> 04:55.909\n但是現在一個世代他一個產品丟出去要六個月才會完成所以整個磨練過來至少會經過一年半最快一年半到兩年他才會進入穩定期穩定期才會出去蓋工廠工廠再一蓋又要蓋一年多所以他會落後台灣大概將近三年的一個世代這是絕對的\n\n04:57.330 --> 05:24.572\n不只是政府的管理這個當然進到了投審會投審會一定會去管理他那這是確定的第二個是人才的部分美國其實也有限制工作許可證他不會那麼多人都可以派到所以他沒有辦法那麼多人過去但是有沒有可能我們比如說我們要從美國挖一些他們的這些科技人才他可能是台籍的或者是台裔的那有沒有可能這些人就不回來了直接就\n\n05:25.333 --> 05:52.125\n就留在美國工作留在美國的台積電工作那個除非是他原來就在製造業待的人才會過去因為以美國的工作條件裡面科技業跟金融業都比製造業來的性質優渥所以其實沒有那麼好競爭所以你對於人才流失這一塊你不擔心但是你對於台灣的整體的人才培育這一塊你擔不擔心你覺得我們有沒有什麼更好的方法可以留住這些好人才\n\n05:53.084 --> 06:18.995\n基本上台灣的人才外流的並沒有比例是並沒有那麼高那我們因為主要是台灣主要是提供的就業機會比別人多造成我們現在事業率是歷史性低的3.4左右那多數人才都是在大概一畢業就很容易找到工作所以台灣的就業環境非常好反而我們在今年年初到美國去攬財的時候就發現很多台灣人是有想回來\n\n06:19.795 --> 06:44.458\n所以我們現在辦的幾場說明會大概有將近一千六百人左右參加我們的說明會所以你覺得這些人可以回來嗎這個主委啊我接下來要問您的大概就是跟攬財有關整個經濟的展望你們預估今年的成長率會超過3%對不對但是整個國際的局勢是不穩定的\n\n06:45.018 --> 07:05.738\n所以你如何確定你的經濟成長率是可以超過3%那您剛剛講的這些比如說您的報告有一個五大信賴產業這個大概是跟AI有相關政府的投資跟政府的輔導跟我們整個要投入的人力物力財力在總預算面臨被砍成這樣的時候請問你們要怎麼運作\n\n07:09.859 --> 07:20.005\n的確在我們的預算裡面受到傷害比較大是在產業處我們產業處刪的是最多產業處總共被刪多少錢?你現在計算出來了嗎?我們被刪了5700萬左右\n\n07:27.250 --> 07:42.439\n那這個是我們現在也希望盡快如果是解凍的部分我們能夠看看盡快能解凍那我們能夠來往下運作那但是在這個情況下我們還是會積極的推動整個產業的發展我們現在也會積極往這個軟體平台等等的去發展那我們也在規劃我們新的這個產業規劃所以我們會在現有的環境下盡量去\n\n07:54.386 --> 08:12.404\n主委南北区域不平衡南北的这个区域失衡的状态我想你应该很清楚对对不对我们讲了五大信赖产业那现在的整个投资比例还是北部偏高中南部的厂商其实是偏少\n\n08:13.308 --> 08:32.197\n那這一點你們要怎麼樣強化要怎麼樣去做我們現在訂了幾個措施你的產業處錢被砍了那國發會要到南部去設立另外的辦公室也沒錢了沒場地了南部行政中心大概現在也只剩下非常非常基本的運作業務費被砍了96%請問你們要怎麼做\n\n08:36.474 --> 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