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00:02:04,879\n因為現在是在四年四年期的國防的總檢討那既然現在已經是一個非常時期由訓轉戰的一個問題了所以你們應該要非常的明確我們國防的防衛的能力及我們大概預警準備的時間大概多少\n\n6\n00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:20,214\n我只能這樣跟委員報告,這樣子好了,就是說我們會有一個關鍵預警徵候的一個判斷表,那我們會將我們認為他這個所謂的游訓長,就是說他從一個灰色地帶的起擾,\n\n7\n00:02:21,014 --> 00:02:48,074\n然後它突然轉變成可能全面禁飯的模式或封鎖的模式那這些關鍵疫情的針口我們都會把它做一個分析但是詳細我沒有辦法跟委員做說明那麼這樣子的關鍵疫情針口我們把它分成低的、中的、高的那如果到達了中或高的時候我們就會進行所謂的二級加強戒備或一級加強戒備那到達了一級加強戒備之後我們就這個時候再觀察\n\n8\n00:02:50,516 --> 00:03:03,002\n他有可能是不是會採取這個行動那這個的時候會進入到我們就要跟總統進行報告然後再來我們要先動\n\n9\n00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:34,012\n那我們不能夠等到他成真了我們才動這個來不及我們主要的目的是在說明這一點好部長那這一詳細的狀況要形容我們要你現在還是沒有辦法大概的一個時間因為現在共軍的操員已經是常態化甚至有些是無意警化那對台灣來講我們擔心的是一種麻痹的狀況本身提醒還是必須要警示\n\n10\n00:03:35,813 --> 00:03:42,000\n中共由遜轉戰的可能性所以我們就是因為不想麻痺所以我們要時時的警惕自己也警惕國人當然我們現在是要更警惕\n\n11\n00:03:51,289 --> 00:04:16,602\n本席認為未來的戰場除了傳統的陸海空更涵蓋太空網路及電池等環境請問共青郵訊轉戰落成症的話要以武力翻台有哪些徵兆待會你回答我一下那另外就是國際應該強化對共青聯合戰備警訊的情報收集的判斷並加強後備的\n\n12\n00:04:20,625 --> 00:04:34,104\n後備動員的加速國青應加強收集的能量並共青郵訊轉戰可能納入希望可能納入的漢光遠襲有沒有可能\n\n13\n00:04:36,235 --> 00:05:04,253\n剛您講的這些都是徵兆跟焊光演習對對對我們這些徵兆的這個判斷都會納入徵兆的判斷然後做相對的應對我們都會納入這個焊光來我們從高階圖上兵推一直到這個電腦輔助所演習一直到實名驗證我們都會納入這些響電這樣子然後來進一步做所以希望能夠納入焊光演習\n\n14\n00:05:05,274 --> 00:05:27,209\n那國進必須思考包含這個低軌的衛星衛星的徵兆這個通信的太空領域對戰場經營和戰爭發展的影響能夠思考這樣的一個問題所在必須你要提醒國防那關於這個四年這個\n\n15\n00:05:28,690 --> 00:05:57,037\n四連旗國防的總檢討屬於目前來講是屬於原則性的報告實際上要怎麼做還要由各交給機關部門執行所以今天很難得得知具體作為但其實從內容概要可能要看出有些哪部分雖然是我國確實要面對的問題但有些部分過於一廂情願有些是過於過度與理想化\n\n16\n00:05:57,617 --> 00:06:08,064\n那你看是不是有這樣的一個問題所在您是說有沒有過於一廂情願或過於理想化這個部分對\n\n17\n00:06:10,324 --> 00:06:36,014\n我想我們四年期的廣場檢討就如剛剛報告的我們對於這個有相關的這個區域情勢的判斷也有對於共軍他可能採取的行動我們做了一些判斷之後我們採取的一些比較新的一些做法那剛剛你也提到了我們有\n\n18\n00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:53,526\n提出來這個多域拒止任性防衛的這個概念那我們會根據這些換入到我們的聯合作戰行動的關鍵要項裡面然後我們會利用各種不同的這個兵推跟演訓來加以驗證所以我們會不斷地來檢討每年都來檢討我們的依據敵情的這個狀況你說的對好\n\n19\n00:07:01,912 --> 00:07:18,813\n那為什麼我會提出這個問題來第一個第一章的內容概要看得出寫上的是基於忍戰的思維難以擺脫民主陣營和極權陣營的對抗的想法但是目前國際局勢更多的是\n\n20\n00:07:20,915 --> 00:07:35,706\n競爭合作的關係所以從陣營或兩旗對抗角度來看書寫國防指導原則可能會把國際局勢的過度單純化所以本席認為過於理想化\n\n21\n00:07:36,807 --> 00:07:50,292\n平時可以有所作為但台灣是海島暫時全島皆為前線極可能遭到封鎖暫時如何可能與全球供應鏈接軌所以這個就是一個問題所在另外主席再給我一分鐘時間\n\n22\n00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:15,407\n另外就是關於國防高層是否有所作為不當不當的行為國防院高層是否有所不當的行為那這邊有一份這個裡面一個職員的一個研究員的一個陳情書\n\n23\n00:08:20,832 --> 00:08:35,385\n請問一下前段時間是否收到國防院一位理子組長的陳情是關於部分研究員橫跨兩個以上智庫理子高層人員乃持續佔用辦公室和\n\n24\n00:08:36,105 --> 00:08:51,639\n植物宿舍以及離子高層將國防院所屬研究院辦理停止留心帶至國防部為己用那這個部分即使沒有違法當然對於國防院\n\n25\n00:08:52,259 --> 00:09:10,714\n作為研究單位的獨立性及職場的規範產生了不利的影響所以這個部分請問一下我們希望能夠做到真正獨立公正專業部長知不知道這個事情那如何懲處未來要不要清查我想先請陳平次回答\n\n26\n00:09:12,182 --> 00:09:24,154\n是跟我們報告這個是屬於國防院內部管理的問題我們已經責成他們成立一個調查委員會有沒有七上滿下的問題現在都在調查當中調查什麼時候會請他們立刻調查然後調查完畢那什麼時候回報很快的能夠提供給我們國防部什麼時候回報\n\n27\n00:09:34,999 --> 00:09:48,685\n這個事情都已經一個國務院的研究院的陳情都非常講得非常清楚而且你們現在有沒有欺上瞞下而且你們現在還是一概彌彰所以麻煩你們盡速回報什麼時候給我向委員報告我們盡快請國防院完成調查兩個禮拜內向委員做報告說明好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n450\t2072\t國務卿 顧部長國務卿 顧部長是 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我們這些徵兆的這個判斷都會納入徵兆的判斷然後做相對的應對我們都會納入這個焊光來我們從高階圖上兵推一直到這個電腦輔助所演習一直到實名驗證我們都會納入這些響電這樣子然後來進一步做所以希望能夠納入焊光演習\n305274\t327209\t那國進必須思考包含這個低軌的衛星衛星的徵兆這個通信的太空領域對戰場經營和戰爭發展的影響能夠思考這樣的一個問題所在必須你要提醒國防那關於這個四年這個\n328690\t357037\t四連旗國防的總檢討屬於目前來講是屬於原則性的報告實際上要怎麼做還要由各交給機關部門執行所以今天很難得得知具體作為但其實從內容概要可能要看出有些哪部分雖然是我國確實要面對的問題但有些部分過於一廂情願有些是過於過度與理想化\n357617\t368064\t那你看是不是有這樣的一個問題所在您是說有沒有過於一廂情願或過於理想化這個部分對\n370324\t396014\t我想我們四年期的廣場檢討就如剛剛報告的我們對於這個有相關的這個區域情勢的判斷也有對於共軍他可能採取的行動我們做了一些判斷之後我們採取的一些比較新的一些做法那剛剛你也提到了我們有\n396854\t413526\t提出來這個多域拒止任性防衛的這個概念那我們會根據這些換入到我們的聯合作戰行動的關鍵要項裡面然後我們會利用各種不同的這個兵推跟演訓來加以驗證所以我們會不斷地來檢討每年都來檢討我們的依據敵情的這個狀況你說的對好\n421912\t438813\t那為什麼我會提出這個問題來第一個第一章的內容概要看得出寫上的是基於忍戰的思維難以擺脫民主陣營和極權陣營的對抗的想法但是目前國際局勢更多的是\n440915\t455706\t競爭合作的關係所以從陣營或兩旗對抗角度來看書寫國防指導原則可能會把國際局勢的過度單純化所以本席認為過於理想化\n456807\t470292\t平時可以有所作為 但台灣是海島暫時全島皆為前線 極可能遭到封鎖暫時如何可能與全球供應鏈接軌所以這個就是一個問題所在另外 主席再給我一分鐘時間\n478956\t495407\t另外就是關於國防高層是否有所作為不當不當的行為國防院高層是否有所不當的行為那這邊有一份這個裡面一個職員的一個研究員的一個陳情書\n500832\t515385\t請問一下前段時間是否收到國防院一位理子組長的陳情是關於部分研究員橫跨兩個以上智庫理子高層人員乃持續佔用辦公室和\n516105\t531639\t植物宿舍以及離子高層將國防院所屬研究院辦理停止留心帶至國防部為己用那這個部分即使沒有違法當然對於國防院\n532259\t550714\t作為研究單位的獨立性及職場的規範產生了不利的影響所以這個部分請問一下我們希望能夠做到真正獨立公正專業部長知不知道這個事情那如何懲處未來要不要清查我想先請陳平次回答\n552182\t564154\t是 跟我們報告 這個是屬於國防院內部管理的問題我們已經責成他們成立一個調查委員會有沒有七上滿下的問題現在都在調查當中調查什麼時候會請他們立刻調查 然後調查完畢那什麼時候回報很快的能夠提供給我們國防部什麼時候回報\n574999\t588685\t這個事情都已經一個國務院的研究院的陳情都非常講得非常清楚而且你們現在有沒有欺上瞞下而且你們現在還是一概彌彰所以麻煩你們盡速回報什麼時候給我向委員報告我們盡快請國防院完成調查兩個禮拜內向委員做報告說明好 以上 謝謝\n","txt":"國務卿 顧部長國務卿 顧部長是 黃國民好部長好\n有關於賴慶德總統在任內這四年期的國防總監討在3月18號日公布第一次強調建構多域的巨上任性防衛的作戰準備的方向建構地面海上空中太空及網路等多重空間領域的防禦體系但共今從各基地\n前推火箭军陆航直升机也常态部署在第一线就是要加速游训转战让国军来不及应对请问国军的预警的时间是否缩短那我再请教部长你即刻回答目前针对共军犯台我们的预警的时间大概多少明确的讲清楚\n我個人覺得我們對於這個預警時間的這個縮短我們可以這樣子來回答但是我們認為是要準備多久的在做這個作戰的準備這個時間我認為這個涉及機密我們不宜在這裡做回答不是 現在好 涉及機密但是你可以你可以大概縮短的大概幾分\n因為現在是在四年四年期的國防的總檢討那既然現在已經是一個非常時期由訓轉戰的一個問題了所以你們應該要非常的明確我們國防的防衛的能力及我們大概預警準備的時間大概多少\n我只能這樣跟委員報告,這樣子好了,就是說我們會有一個關鍵預警徵候的一個判斷表,那我們會將我們認為他這個所謂的游訓長,就是說他從一個灰色地帶的起擾,\n然後它突然轉變成可能全面禁飯的模式或封鎖的模式那這些關鍵疫情的針口我們都會把它做一個分析但是詳細我沒有辦法跟委員做說明那麼這樣子的關鍵疫情針口我們把它分成低的、中的、高的那如果到達了中或高的時候我們就會進行所謂的二級加強戒備或一級加強戒備那到達了一級加強戒備之後我們就這個時候再觀察\n他有可能是不是會採取這個行動那這個的時候會進入到我們就要跟總統進行報告然後再來我們要先動\n那我們不能夠等到他成真了我們才動這個來不及我們主要的目的是在說明這一點好 部長那這一詳細的狀況要形容我們要你現在還是沒有辦法大概的一個時間因為現在共軍的操員已經是常態化甚至有些是無意警化那對台灣來講我們擔心的是一種麻痹的狀況本身提醒還是必須要警示\n中共由遜轉戰的可能性所以我們就是因為不想麻痺所以我們要時時的警惕自己也警惕國人當然我們現在是要更警惕\n本席認為未來的戰場除了傳統的陸海空更涵蓋太空網路及電池等環境請問共青郵訊轉戰落成症的話要以武力翻台有哪些徵兆待會你回答我一下那另外就是國際應該強化對共青聯合戰備警訊的情報收集的判斷並加強後備的\n後備動員的加速國青應加強收集的能量並共青郵訊轉戰可能納入希望可能納入的漢光遠襲有沒有可能\n剛您講的這些都是徵兆跟焊光演習對對對 我們這些徵兆的這個判斷都會納入徵兆的判斷然後做相對的應對我們都會納入這個焊光來我們從高階圖上兵推一直到這個電腦輔助所演習一直到實名驗證我們都會納入這些響電這樣子然後來進一步做所以希望能夠納入焊光演習\n那國進必須思考包含這個低軌的衛星衛星的徵兆這個通信的太空領域對戰場經營和戰爭發展的影響能夠思考這樣的一個問題所在必須你要提醒國防那關於這個四年這個\n四連旗國防的總檢討屬於目前來講是屬於原則性的報告實際上要怎麼做還要由各交給機關部門執行所以今天很難得得知具體作為但其實從內容概要可能要看出有些哪部分雖然是我國確實要面對的問題但有些部分過於一廂情願有些是過於過度與理想化\n那你看是不是有這樣的一個問題所在您是說有沒有過於一廂情願或過於理想化這個部分對\n我想我們四年期的廣場檢討就如剛剛報告的我們對於這個有相關的這個區域情勢的判斷也有對於共軍他可能採取的行動我們做了一些判斷之後我們採取的一些比較新的一些做法那剛剛你也提到了我們有\n提出來這個多域拒止任性防衛的這個概念那我們會根據這些換入到我們的聯合作戰行動的關鍵要項裡面然後我們會利用各種不同的這個兵推跟演訓來加以驗證所以我們會不斷地來檢討每年都來檢討我們的依據敵情的這個狀況你說的對好\n那為什麼我會提出這個問題來第一個第一章的內容概要看得出寫上的是基於忍戰的思維難以擺脫民主陣營和極權陣營的對抗的想法但是目前國際局勢更多的是\n競爭合作的關係所以從陣營或兩旗對抗角度來看書寫國防指導原則可能會把國際局勢的過度單純化所以本席認為過於理想化\n平時可以有所作為 但台灣是海島暫時全島皆為前線 極可能遭到封鎖暫時如何可能與全球供應鏈接軌所以這個就是一個問題所在另外 主席再給我一分鐘時間\n另外就是關於國防高層是否有所作為不當不當的行為國防院高層是否有所不當的行為那這邊有一份這個裡面一個職員的一個研究員的一個陳情書\n請問一下前段時間是否收到國防院一位理子組長的陳情是關於部分研究員橫跨兩個以上智庫理子高層人員乃持續佔用辦公室和\n植物宿舍以及離子高層將國防院所屬研究院辦理停止留心帶至國防部為己用那這個部分即使沒有違法當然對於國防院\n作為研究單位的獨立性及職場的規範產生了不利的影響所以這個部分請問一下我們希望能夠做到真正獨立公正專業部長知不知道這個事情那如何懲處未來要不要清查我想先請陳平次回答\n是 跟我們報告 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