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00:00:50,118\n我們在看這個報導就是今年的1月份我們基隆市的一個理事長原住民的理事長叫班奈他說我們現在有一個工地的一個潛規則三不一要不能叫救護車不能就近就醫不能住院也就是說\n\n4\n00:00:51,799 --> 00:01:18,565\n現在如果你發生就是工地的意外的時候為了避免就是被停工啊或這些處分啊他們就會做這些規避的動作你不覺得我們的工作環境還是這樣的時候我們怎麼去討論7天的假確實原住民的勞工跟勞工朋友在很多工作的情形上面是特別辛苦對我這還要跟你說的就是說現在因為我們\n\n5\n00:01:19,278 --> 00:01:42,852\n大部分的工作都是做最高的比如說工地營價最深的比如說礦業最遠的遠洋漁業然後我們現在的勞動大概是將近有我們的29萬也就是占了1200萬的裡面的剛剛好跟我們的人口比例差不多在2.5左右可是我們現在的那個勞動檢查讓我們這些可以拿到傷害補償還有就是容易受傷\n\n6\n00:01:43,892 --> 00:01:54,791\n這些沒有辦法在即時得到一些需要的幫忙比如說現在有高達五成拿不到所謂的工商你覺得你有這方面的一個解決方案嗎\n\n7\n00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:16,878\n跟委員報告凡是有重大傷害說我們檢查機構都去檢查檢查對勞工保護我們有勞工的那個職在個管的服務會進入進去做就協助不過申請傷病給付啊私人給付我們都會積極來處理那是因為有保險的部分可是很多在工地然後那些工頭為了方便起見常常都沒有納入保險\n\n8\n00:02:17,278 --> 00:02:41,400\n報告委員因為我們災保法通過之後這個就是應該就是強制加保如果沒有加保我們還是會依照保險局部給予那後會再跟勞工做求償所以這兩三年因為災保法的進度之後我們對無加保的勞工會有比較好的保護那剛剛委員詮詢的部分我們會透過後會透過跟地方政府再進一步合作就是漏掉的勞工我們趕快把他接上來那如果說我還是聽到這些東西的話我直接找你嗎沒問題\n\n9\n00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:59,239\n因為這些事情常常會跑到辦公室來尋求幫忙確實我們發現營造工地裡面承攬承攬在轉包的部分是很明顯的但是即使是這樣子受僱的勞工不管是原住民或是一般民眾只要是他有工作的執行我們都認為他會在我們保護的範圍內\n\n10\n00:03:00,740 --> 00:03:15,642\n好那針對我們所謂的照顧不離職的部分我們還是發現我們原住民因為結婚生育或者是因為家庭照顧的部分還是有高達9.4%是因為這些原因離開的你覺得部長你可以做哪些努力\n\n11\n00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:35,765\n我們其實當然希望整體的現在討論在照顧不離職裡面就是希望能夠是不是能夠在這個工時的做法上或者是在請假或留庭的做法上面能夠提供勞工更多的彈性是不是因為他的就業環境不友善\n\n12\n00:03:37,086 --> 00:04:01,247\n也許比方說像確實原住民族他也許他工作的類型會有一些他的特性可是我們是希望說這個整體的照顧因為照顧部體的討論的其實包括原住民跟非原住民都在這個政策規劃的範圍裡面那我是希望這個9.4%能夠及早能夠進步好不好當然加上我們現在看到平均的薪資如果4萬以下大概70%\n\n13\n00:04:03,869 --> 00:04:31,016\n3萬以下的還有30%我就說原住民的平均薪資大概還是落在這個區間那政府有做努力那我有看了一下就是說原民會有針對我們促進原住民就業獎勵計畫這個部分他大概在每個縣市全國大概有600位去年有600位受到補助可是好你說600位那我們目前的失業率來看的話失業率我們是3.46也就是有一萬多人\n\n14\n00:04:31,636 --> 00:04:50,159\n那可是我們的再就業率大概是12.45%也就是說其實這個補助大概只有一半而已就是說真正需要的人目前是600位可是我們的再就業率是12.45%也就是1200人左右所以這個部分我想這個缺口是不是需要勞動部來幫忙\n\n15\n00:04:52,621 --> 00:05:16,011\n跟委員報告這個有關原住民朋友的在居的獎勵是我們園民會的一個措施那當然勞動部以往在跟園民會有在這個跨部會的平台上會做這個協調所以這個部分我們會透過我們的相關的服務的據點來協助園會把這個措施讓更多的對我已經實際告訴你了目前的缺大概就是一半了理解園民會幫忙了一半那勞動部這邊能不能再努力我知道政府有做啦可是就是做得不夠好不好\n\n16\n00:05:16,451 --> 00:05:34,273\n這個我們在做部會的協調上次部長你來拜訪辦公室的時候我有跟你講到常態性的這些我們安心即時上工的計畫比如說環境清潔文化傳承導覽解說能夠變成常態性的讓很多人因為工作因為文化的關係\n\n17\n00:05:35,334 --> 00:05:48,808\n他被認同的關係他不想離開部落他需要一份工作來溫飽他不一定要很多的錢可是如果說可能一萬塊左右或者兩萬塊左右他就覺得很滿足了像這種即時安心工作的話其實可以做長遠的規劃\n\n18\n00:05:50,509 --> 00:06:11,085\n那個跟路人報告我們其實我們也可以來看一下現在我們一些就位輔助就位服務相關的計畫或者是裡面有沒有在哪些部分那特別適合來跟包括像委員辦公室或原住民的朋友來去做更直接的對接的合作的部分我們非常非常樂意來檢討\n\n19\n00:06:12,466 --> 00:06:40,601\n我也樂見你對安定就業基金的這個部分的一些改善的面向你大概也解釋得很清楚了不過裡面獨獨缺了就是安定原住民的就業狀況其實原住民的勞工有我剛才說了29萬多人那失業的大概1萬多人其實如果你可以改善這些的話其實對我們原住民的生活會有很大的進步可以嗎是至少這個面向裡面你那麼多面向裡面沒有一個是我們會來我們會來請法案署在特別針對原住民的\n\n20\n00:06:41,101 --> 00:07:02,374\n就業的工作的狀況看我們怎麼樣可以提供更多的協助還有移工的部分現在要開放移工可是有15%點多的大概將近16%的原住民是被取代的這個被取代的部分你覺得應該要怎麼來進步我想從勞工部的角度來說我們當然會認為本土勞工的就業權利本國的勞工就業權利應該是要優先\n\n21\n00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:20,254\n對可是百分之十六很多喔所以這個部分要盡量去避免不然我們越來越多人失去工作已經生活已經很困難又失去工作的話又被取代的話不是變成次等工作對我們希望這個要以本國勞工有閒之處我覺得這是我們很清楚的立場\n\n22\n00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:39,829\n目前你來的時候有講到資產霸凌的部分其實我們也收到很多資產霸凌的一些申訴可是我希望在那麼多的努力當中比如說我希望能夠公布它的霸凌的樣態霸凌的單位目前處理的進度不然申訴員他永遠覺得他被漠視\n\n23\n00:07:41,050 --> 00:08:05,822\n所以我是覺得說因為上次比如說講那個單位你就說它的全職單位是哪裡哪裡可是當然我們沒有辦法去細看每一個人發生的那個事情可是如果有一個網站可以讓申訴人知道說我的霸凌的樣態被公佈了我霸凌的單位被公佈了然後我目前的處理進度是怎麼樣讓申訴人覺得說他有被重視我覺得是不是可以朝這個方向來努力\n\n24\n00:08:06,963 --> 00:08:20,558\n我想保護申訴人的權益然後包括他的救濟的管道包括保護他的相關的個資包括他的權利我想這當然都是我們在設計這個機制裡面非常重要的環節\n\n25\n00:08:21,739 --> 00:08:45,965\n關心我還是就做一個問題來問部長我剛剛看了你的那個報告裡面大概我們的職災給付大概50億左右然後去年那個重大職災的死亡大概287我相信這裡面的很多是族人那我們的高空掉落的不僅沒有減少反而增加那我想知道這個50億裡面希望你三個月以內給我一個報告就是說50億裡面有多少是給原住民的\n\n26\n00:08:46,345 --> 00:08:49,052\n好不好讓我能夠掌握好我們來請這我們請我們的夜館單位來提供謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1299\t1921\t來,有請部長\n14333\t33286\t部長好 針對我們現在討論的時事 比如說七天假這些我覺得在我們原住民的觀點來看 我覺得還是很幸福因為我們還沒有到達那個層級 討論七天假的這個層級因為我們還是在討論都會原住民工地的杯葛 也就是說\n33986\t50118\t我們在看這個報導就是今年的1月份我們基隆市的一個理事長原住民的理事長叫班奈他說我們現在有一個工地的一個潛規則三不一要不能叫救護車不能就近就醫不能住院也就是說\n51799\t78565\t現在如果你發生就是工地的意外的時候為了避免就是被停工啊或這些處分啊他們就會做這些規避的動作你不覺得我們的工作環境還是這樣的時候我們怎麼去討論7天的假確實原住民的勞工跟勞工朋友在很多工作的情形上面是特別辛苦對我這還要跟你說的就是說現在因為我們\n79278\t102852\t大部分的工作都是做最高的比如說工地營價最深的比如說礦業最遠的遠洋漁業然後我們現在的勞動大概是將近有我們的29萬也就是占了1200萬的裡面的剛剛好跟我們的人口比例差不多在2.5左右可是我們現在的那個勞動檢查讓我們這些可以拿到傷害補償還有就是容易受傷\n103892\t114791\t這些沒有辦法在即時得到一些需要的幫忙比如說現在有高達五成拿不到所謂的工商你覺得你有這方面的一個解決方案嗎\n116240\t136878\t跟委員報告凡是有重大傷害說我們檢查機構都去檢查檢查對勞工保護我們有勞工的那個職在個管的服務會進入進去做就協助不過申請傷病給付啊私人給付我們都會積極來處理那是因為有保險的部分可是很多在工地然後那些工頭為了方便起見常常都沒有納入保險\n137278\t161400\t報告委員因為我們災保法通過之後這個就是應該就是強制加保如果沒有加保我們還是會依照保險局部給予那後會再跟勞工做求償所以這兩三年因為災保法的進度之後我們對無加保的勞工會有比較好的保護那剛剛委員詮詢的部分我們會透過後會透過跟地方政府再進一步合作就是漏掉的勞工我們趕快把他接上來那如果說我還是聽到這些東西的話我直接找你嗎沒問題\n162000\t179239\t因為這些事情常常會跑到辦公室來尋求幫忙確實我們發現營造工地裡面承攬承攬在轉包的部分是很明顯的但是即使是這樣子受僱的勞工不管是原住民或是一般民眾只要是他有工作的執行我們都認為他會在我們保護的範圍內\n180740\t195642\t好 那針對我們所謂的照顧不離職的部分我們還是發現我們原住民因為結婚生育或者是因為家庭照顧的部分還是有高達9.4%是因為這些原因離開的你覺得部長你可以做哪些努力\n197719\t215765\t我們其實當然希望整體的現在討論在照顧不離職裡面就是希望能夠是不是能夠在這個工時的做法上或者是在請假或留庭的做法上面能夠提供勞工更多的彈性是不是因為他的就業環境不友善\n217086\t241247\t也許比方說像確實原住民族他也許他工作的類型會有一些他的特性可是我們是希望說這個整體的照顧因為照顧部體的討論的其實包括原住民跟非原住民都在這個政策規劃的範圍裡面那我是希望這個9.4%能夠及早能夠進步好不好當然加上我們現在看到平均的薪資如果4萬以下大概70%\n243869\t271016\t3萬以下的還有30%我就說原住民的平均薪資大概還是落在這個區間那政府有做努力那我有看了一下就是說原民會有針對我們促進原住民就業獎勵計畫這個部分他大概在每個縣市全國大概有600位去年有600位受到補助可是好你說600位那我們目前的失業率來看的話失業率我們是3.46也就是有一萬多人\n271636\t290159\t那可是我們的再就業率大概是12.45%也就是說其實這個補助大概只有一半而已就是說真正需要的人目前是600位可是我們的再就業率是12.45%也就是1200人左右所以這個部分我想這個缺口是不是需要勞動部來幫忙\n292621\t316011\t跟委員報告這個有關原住民朋友的在居的獎勵是我們園民會的一個措施那當然勞動部以往在跟園民會有在這個跨部會的平台上會做這個協調所以這個部分我們會透過我們的相關的服務的據點來協助園會把這個措施讓更多的對我已經實際告訴你了目前的缺大概就是一半了理解園民會幫忙了一半那勞動部這邊能不能再努力我知道政府有做啦可是就是做得不夠好不好\n316451\t334273\t這個我們在做部會的協調 上次部長你來拜訪辦公室的時候 我有跟你講到 常態性的這些我們安心即時上工的計畫比如說環境清潔 文化傳承導覽解說 能夠變成常態性的讓很多人因為工作 因為文化的關係\n335334\t348808\t他被認同的關係他不想離開部落他需要一份工作來溫飽他不一定要很多的錢可是如果說可能一萬塊左右或者兩萬塊左右他就覺得很滿足了像這種即時安心工作的話其實可以做長遠的規劃\n350509\t371085\t那個跟路人報告我們其實我們也可以來看一下現在我們一些就位輔助就位服務相關的計畫或者是裡面有沒有在哪些部分那特別適合來跟包括像委員辦公室或原住民的朋友來去做更直接的對接的合作的部分我們非常非常樂意來檢討\n372466\t400601\t我也樂見你對安定就業基金的這個部分的一些改善的面向你大概也解釋得很清楚了不過裡面獨獨缺了就是安定原住民的就業狀況其實原住民的勞工有我剛才說了29萬多人那失業的大概1萬多人其實如果你可以改善這些的話其實對我們原住民的生活會有很大的進步可以嗎是至少這個面向裡面你那麼多面向裡面沒有一個是我們會來我們會來請法案署在特別針對原住民的\n401101\t422374\t就業的工作的狀況看我們怎麼樣可以提供更多的協助還有移工的部分現在要開放移工可是有15%點多的大概將近16%的原住民是被取代的這個被取代的部分你覺得應該要怎麼來進步我想從勞工部的角度來說我們當然會認為本土勞工的就業權利本國的勞工就業權利應該是要優先\n423715\t440254\t對可是百分之十六很多喔所以這個部分要盡量去避免不然我們越來越多人失去工作已經生活已經很困難又失去工作的話又被取代的話不是變成次等工作對我們希望這個要以本國勞工有閒之處我覺得這是我們很清楚的立場\n440894\t459829\t目前你來的時候有講到資產霸凌的部分其實我們也收到很多資產霸凌的一些申訴可是我希望在那麼多的努力當中比如說我希望能夠公布它的霸凌的樣態霸凌的單位目前處理的進度不然申訴員他永遠覺得他被漠視\n461050\t485822\t所以我是覺得說因為上次比如說講那個單位你就說它的全職單位是哪裡哪裡可是當然我們沒有辦法去細看每一個人發生的那個事情可是如果有一個網站可以讓申訴人知道說我的霸凌的樣態被公佈了我霸凌的單位被公佈了然後我目前的處理進度是怎麼樣讓申訴人覺得說他有被重視我覺得是不是可以朝這個方向來努力\n486963\t500558\t我想保護申訴人的權益然後包括他的救濟的管道包括保護他的相關的個資包括他的權利我想這當然都是我們在設計這個機制裡面非常重要的環節\n501739\t525965\t關心我還是就做一個問題來問部長我剛剛看了你的那個報告裡面大概我們的職災給付大概50億左右然後去年那個重大職災的死亡大概287我相信這裡面的很多是族人那我們的高空掉落的不僅沒有減少反而增加那我想知道這個50億裡面希望你三個月以內給我一個報告就是說50億裡面有多少是給原住民的\n526345\t529052\t好不好 讓我能夠掌握好 我們來請 這我們請我們的夜館單位來提供 謝謝\n","txt":"來,有請部長\n部長好 針對我們現在討論的時事 比如說七天假這些我覺得在我們原住民的觀點來看 我覺得還是很幸福因為我們還沒有到達那個層級 討論七天假的這個層級因為我們還是在討論都會原住民工地的杯葛 也就是說\n我們在看這個報導就是今年的1月份我們基隆市的一個理事長原住民的理事長叫班奈他說我們現在有一個工地的一個潛規則三不一要不能叫救護車不能就近就醫不能住院也就是說\n現在如果你發生就是工地的意外的時候為了避免就是被停工啊或這些處分啊他們就會做這些規避的動作你不覺得我們的工作環境還是這樣的時候我們怎麼去討論7天的假確實原住民的勞工跟勞工朋友在很多工作的情形上面是特別辛苦對我這還要跟你說的就是說現在因為我們\n大部分的工作都是做最高的比如說工地營價最深的比如說礦業最遠的遠洋漁業然後我們現在的勞動大概是將近有我們的29萬也就是占了1200萬的裡面的剛剛好跟我們的人口比例差不多在2.5左右可是我們現在的那個勞動檢查讓我們這些可以拿到傷害補償還有就是容易受傷\n這些沒有辦法在即時得到一些需要的幫忙比如說現在有高達五成拿不到所謂的工商你覺得你有這方面的一個解決方案嗎\n跟委員報告凡是有重大傷害說我們檢查機構都去檢查檢查對勞工保護我們有勞工的那個職在個管的服務會進入進去做就協助不過申請傷病給付啊私人給付我們都會積極來處理那是因為有保險的部分可是很多在工地然後那些工頭為了方便起見常常都沒有納入保險\n報告委員因為我們災保法通過之後這個就是應該就是強制加保如果沒有加保我們還是會依照保險局部給予那後會再跟勞工做求償所以這兩三年因為災保法的進度之後我們對無加保的勞工會有比較好的保護那剛剛委員詮詢的部分我們會透過後會透過跟地方政府再進一步合作就是漏掉的勞工我們趕快把他接上來那如果說我還是聽到這些東西的話我直接找你嗎沒問題\n因為這些事情常常會跑到辦公室來尋求幫忙確實我們發現營造工地裡面承攬承攬在轉包的部分是很明顯的但是即使是這樣子受僱的勞工不管是原住民或是一般民眾只要是他有工作的執行我們都認為他會在我們保護的範圍內\n好 那針對我們所謂的照顧不離職的部分我們還是發現我們原住民因為結婚生育或者是因為家庭照顧的部分還是有高達9.4%是因為這些原因離開的你覺得部長你可以做哪些努力\n我們其實當然希望整體的現在討論在照顧不離職裡面就是希望能夠是不是能夠在這個工時的做法上或者是在請假或留庭的做法上面能夠提供勞工更多的彈性是不是因為他的就業環境不友善\n也許比方說像確實原住民族他也許他工作的類型會有一些他的特性可是我們是希望說這個整體的照顧因為照顧部體的討論的其實包括原住民跟非原住民都在這個政策規劃的範圍裡面那我是希望這個9.4%能夠及早能夠進步好不好當然加上我們現在看到平均的薪資如果4萬以下大概70%\n3萬以下的還有30%我就說原住民的平均薪資大概還是落在這個區間那政府有做努力那我有看了一下就是說原民會有針對我們促進原住民就業獎勵計畫這個部分他大概在每個縣市全國大概有600位去年有600位受到補助可是好你說600位那我們目前的失業率來看的話失業率我們是3.46也就是有一萬多人\n那可是我們的再就業率大概是12.45%也就是說其實這個補助大概只有一半而已就是說真正需要的人目前是600位可是我們的再就業率是12.45%也就是1200人左右所以這個部分我想這個缺口是不是需要勞動部來幫忙\n跟委員報告這個有關原住民朋友的在居的獎勵是我們園民會的一個措施那當然勞動部以往在跟園民會有在這個跨部會的平台上會做這個協調所以這個部分我們會透過我們的相關的服務的據點來協助園會把這個措施讓更多的對我已經實際告訴你了目前的缺大概就是一半了理解園民會幫忙了一半那勞動部這邊能不能再努力我知道政府有做啦可是就是做得不夠好不好\n這個我們在做部會的協調 上次部長你來拜訪辦公室的時候 我有跟你講到 常態性的這些我們安心即時上工的計畫比如說環境清潔 文化傳承導覽解說 能夠變成常態性的讓很多人因為工作 因為文化的關係\n他被認同的關係他不想離開部落他需要一份工作來溫飽他不一定要很多的錢可是如果說可能一萬塊左右或者兩萬塊左右他就覺得很滿足了像這種即時安心工作的話其實可以做長遠的規劃\n那個跟路人報告我們其實我們也可以來看一下現在我們一些就位輔助就位服務相關的計畫或者是裡面有沒有在哪些部分那特別適合來跟包括像委員辦公室或原住民的朋友來去做更直接的對接的合作的部分我們非常非常樂意來檢討\n我也樂見你對安定就業基金的這個部分的一些改善的面向你大概也解釋得很清楚了不過裡面獨獨缺了就是安定原住民的就業狀況其實原住民的勞工有我剛才說了29萬多人那失業的大概1萬多人其實如果你可以改善這些的話其實對我們原住民的生活會有很大的進步可以嗎是至少這個面向裡面你那麼多面向裡面沒有一個是我們會來我們會來請法案署在特別針對原住民的\n就業的工作的狀況看我們怎麼樣可以提供更多的協助還有移工的部分現在要開放移工可是有15%點多的大概將近16%的原住民是被取代的這個被取代的部分你覺得應該要怎麼來進步我想從勞工部的角度來說我們當然會認為本土勞工的就業權利本國的勞工就業權利應該是要優先\n對可是百分之十六很多喔所以這個部分要盡量去避免不然我們越來越多人失去工作已經生活已經很困難又失去工作的話又被取代的話不是變成次等工作對我們希望這個要以本國勞工有閒之處我覺得這是我們很清楚的立場\n目前你來的時候有講到資產霸凌的部分其實我們也收到很多資產霸凌的一些申訴可是我希望在那麼多的努力當中比如說我希望能夠公布它的霸凌的樣態霸凌的單位目前處理的進度不然申訴員他永遠覺得他被漠視\n所以我是覺得說因為上次比如說講那個單位你就說它的全職單位是哪裡哪裡可是當然我們沒有辦法去細看每一個人發生的那個事情可是如果有一個網站可以讓申訴人知道說我的霸凌的樣態被公佈了我霸凌的單位被公佈了然後我目前的處理進度是怎麼樣讓申訴人覺得說他有被重視我覺得是不是可以朝這個方向來努力\n我想保護申訴人的權益然後包括他的救濟的管道包括保護他的相關的個資包括他的權利我想這當然都是我們在設計這個機制裡面非常重要的環節\n關心我還是就做一個問題來問部長我剛剛看了你的那個報告裡面大概我們的職災給付大概50億左右然後去年那個重大職災的死亡大概287我相信這裡面的很多是族人那我們的高空掉落的不僅沒有減少反而增加那我想知道這個50億裡面希望你三個月以內給我一個報告就是說50億裡面有多少是給原住民的\n好不好 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