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00:00:53,673\n今天我就針對這個強化育兒跟老人照顧的部分來就教一下部長早上部長已經把這個部裡面的很多業務都做了非常充分的說明就開始針對這個彈性育嬰假的部分其實事辦結果在3月3號部長也做了說明結果不如預期主要原因是因為大家其實更期待的是有關於這個更彈性的部分\n\n3\n00:00:54,193 --> 00:01:13,397\n希望能夠讓它運用更方便另外針對六指停薪又擔心這個行政程序太匆忙無法完成這個這些缺失我相信大家一開始其實也都了解所以如果有機會再試辦的話能不能根據這些問題做一些建議包括我們所看到的\n\n4\n00:01:13,937 --> 00:01:29,889\n把這個產價賠產價還有等等的這些都能夠當作一個生產預備價來做調控另外就是如果婦女她以在一定週數以上有流產的話其實她心情已經非常不好那能不能也把她納為這個保障的範圍\n\n5\n00:01:30,669 --> 00:01:51,826\n另外也可以提供更有彈性的育嬰架那在這個過程裡面有一些有新彈性育嬰架的這個補助的可能性這是我們期待在下一波如果能夠再試辦的話能夠處理的那當然我們也希望擴大試辦的範圍包括能不能夠考慮接受政府將補助或者是抵減稅的這些企業都能夠來參加這份部長\n\n6\n00:01:54,548 --> 00:02:13,017\n因為這個關於照顧固體質的議題其實很多委員都非常關心那我們現在也在去年的事辦的經驗之下做出檢討那確實現在整個檢討的方向就是希望能夠在相關的包括請假包括\n\n7\n00:02:13,857 --> 00:02:29,236\n留庭等等的制度上面怎麼更大的提高他的彈性那讓這些相關的制度對於需要的可能也不只是婦女也包括有些部分也是先生也會用到那就是夫妻雙方\n\n8\n00:02:30,177 --> 00:02:52,714\n都可以覺得這個可以更好用所以普及率可以更高那這部分是我們現在的方向那這個方向就是希望說能夠去兼顧讓這個我們的勞工朋友他不用要去為了要照顧對家庭的照顧對小朋友的照顧而必須要離開職場那這對我們的勞動力的缺乏也不是好事\n\n9\n00:02:53,274 --> 00:03:12,995\n是其實同樣的很多人也很關心這個國定假日調整的部分我們期待就是在這個研議的過程裡面是針對這些休假制度的調整是對勞工最有利的方向來演繹那這部分再麻煩部長持續來多關注跟了解謝謝這是有關於第一部分\n\n10\n00:03:13,596 --> 00:03:34,759\n那再過來就是財務法通過以後其實對勞保財務相對應該是受到蠻大的影響包括這個中央可能會少的3700億可以運用的部分會影響到這個勞保的撥補那如何來應用這樣的困難我們也知道目前這個勞保撥補還不是法定的義務支出\n\n11\n00:03:35,399 --> 00:04:02,568\n所以目前也不希望說透過修法去調降企務那未來有沒有考慮勞保撥補能夠入法把它變成一個法定義務支出我想其實現在在財化法的這樣子之下如果這個這樣子修訂後的財化法真的我說如果如果他真的上路執行確實中央整體的財源會有很大的限制跟限縮那勞保的\n\n12\n00:04:04,379 --> 00:04:18,866\n撥補確實現在不是法定義務支出但是我想政府會一直是秉持著我們會負最終支付責任的政策的目前的政策的態度就是這樣只是確實現在會對於說因為像去年我們是撥了今年114年是撥了1300億\n\n13\n00:04:22,828 --> 00:04:49,500\n那包括疫後的部分是1300億整體是1300億可是在財務法如果真的上路執行後還能不能維持這樣的水位這個是我們會比較擔心的事情是好那我們就麻煩部長持續再往這邊對至少這個勞工但至少政策的態度上面還是會是政府政府是在是會負最後的責任態度上面政策上面現在就是這樣是對可是我們確實會會有財務法通過後的擔心\n\n14\n00:04:52,301 --> 00:05:11,676\n好那再過來就是有關護理人力的缺失大家都很期待趕快有好的一些人力可以來進行這個補充包括這個中階附著的人力的運用將來能不能夠盡速而落實那我也了解部長現在在跟歐湖部部長那邊已經有一些\n\n15\n00:05:12,336 --> 00:05:30,341\n研擬的措施我們也期待能夠讓了解這個措施在未來執行的時候可以更便利因為這個會牽扯到未來開放80歲以上免糧表的部分如何能夠棄重責輕讓有需要照顧的這些長者他真的能夠得到好的照顧\n\n16\n00:05:31,041 --> 00:05:41,752\n那如果還可以的話那就不一定要使用到這些我們的外勞的人力等等這個部分就麻煩部長這邊持續跟衛福部這邊來做一些持續的研議這是請部長來處理的\n\n17\n00:05:46,550 --> 00:06:05,182\n那最後其實還有一點點時間也了解針對於這個就業安定基金的合理運用今天很多很多委員都非常的關心那如何有效管理其實大家最期待的那部長上任以後也面對這樣的困境做了非常多的努力\n\n18\n00:06:05,822 --> 00:06:23,136\n那也期待這個就業安定基金的合理運用跟有效管理是可以讓國人能夠信賴而且是可以來支持的那這部分可不可以請部長再利用一點點時間來做更完整或進一步的說明關於就業安定基金我想未來的部分\n\n19\n00:06:26,338 --> 00:06:36,926\n這個我們其實提出了一個精進把關的做法剛才其實很多委員也也也也有來去詢問那所以未來我們當然就會從用途面從管理面從資訊面來去更\n\n20\n00:06:40,288 --> 00:06:55,066\n更有效的來去管理救安基因希望過去發生一些狀況一些爭議不要再發生那第二個是針對過去的部分那現在這個過去現在可能會被指教的一些案例或項目那現在審計部也正在查\n\n21\n00:06:55,606 --> 00:07:21,925\n那剛剛其實也幾個委員有來說這個審計部查狀況最後我們當然會尊重審計部在審計工作裡面的判定那相關的資料在審計部他的結果出來之後但因為這個現在還在審計部的整個專案審計工作裡面那在這個結果出來之後我們當然也願意把我們的一些相關的回覆那\n\n22\n00:07:23,297 --> 00:07:49,967\n如果需要提供的話再提供好那這個部分我相信部長如果透過審計部最後提供給我們了解或更多相關的這些運用的話我想國人就會更因為現在還在審計部的這個專案審計的過程裡面那對於資訊公開我們就覺得很多資訊是可以公開可是最後審議部的這個報告結果出來之後那該提供給大家去了解的我想我們的態度是開放的\n\n23\n00:07:53,168 --> 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其實同樣的很多人也很關心這個國定假日調整的部分我們期待就是在這個研議的過程裡面是針對這些休假制度的調整是對勞工最有利的方向來演繹那這部分再麻煩部長持續來多關注跟了解謝謝這是有關於第一部分\n193596\t214759\t那再過來就是財務法通過以後其實對勞保財務相對應該是受到蠻大的影響包括這個中央可能會少的3700億可以運用的部分會影響到這個勞保的撥補那如何來應用這樣的困難我們也知道目前這個勞保撥補還不是法定的義務支出\n215399\t242568\t所以目前也不希望說透過修法去調降企務那未來有沒有考慮勞保撥補能夠入法把它變成一個法定義務支出我想其實現在在財化法的這樣子之下如果這個這樣子修訂後的財化法真的我說如果如果他真的上路執行確實中央整體的財源會有很大的限制跟限縮那勞保的\n244379\t258866\t撥補確實現在不是法定義務支出但是我想政府會一直是秉持著我們會負最終支付責任的政策的目前的政策的態度就是這樣只是確實現在會對於說因為像去年我們是撥了今年114年是撥了1300億\n262828\t289500\t那包括疫後的部分是1300億整體是1300億可是在財務法如果真的上路執行後還能不能維持這樣的水位這個是我們會比較擔心的事情是好那我們就麻煩部長持續再往這邊對至少這個勞工但至少政策的態度上面還是會是政府政府是在是會負最後的責任態度上面政策上面現在就是這樣是對可是我們確實會會有財務法通過後的擔心\n292301\t311676\t好那再過來就是有關護理人力的缺失大家都很期待趕快有好的一些人力可以來進行這個補充包括這個中階附著的人力的運用將來能不能夠盡速而落實那我也了解部長現在在跟歐湖部部長那邊已經有一些\n312336\t330341\t研擬的措施我們也期待能夠讓了解這個措施在未來執行的時候可以更便利因為這個會牽扯到未來開放80歲以上免糧表的部分如何能夠棄重責輕讓有需要照顧的這些長者他真的能夠得到好的照顧\n331041\t341752\t那如果還可以的話那就不一定要使用到這些我們的外勞的人力等等這個部分就麻煩部長這邊持續跟衛福部這邊來做一些持續的研議這是請部長來處理的\n346550\t365182\t那最後其實還有一點點時間也了解針對於這個就業安定基金的合理運用今天很多很多委員都非常的關心那如何有效管理其實大家最期待的那部長上任以後也面對這樣的困境做了非常多的努力\n365822\t383136\t那也期待這個就業安定基金的合理運用跟有效管理是可以讓國人能夠信賴而且是可以來支持的那這部分可不可以請部長再利用一點點時間來做更完整或進一步的說明關於就業安定基金我想未來的部分\n386338\t396926\t這個我們其實提出了一個精進把關的做法剛才其實很多委員也也也也有來去詢問那所以未來我們當然就會從用途面從管理面從資訊面來去更\n400288\t415066\t更有效的來去管理救安基因希望過去發生一些狀況一些爭議不要再發生那第二個是針對過去的部分那現在這個過去現在可能會被指教的一些案例或項目那現在審計部也正在查\n415606\t441925\t那剛剛其實也幾個委員有來說這個審計部查狀況最後我們當然會尊重審計部在審計工作裡面的判定那相關的資料在審計部他的結果出來之後但因為這個現在還在審計部的整個專案審計工作裡面那在這個結果出來之後我們當然也願意把我們的一些相關的回覆那\n443297\t469967\t如果需要提供的話再提供好那這個部分我相信部長如果透過審計部最後提供給我們了解或更多相關的這些運用的話我想國人就會更因為現在還在審計部的這個專案審計的過程裡面那對於資訊公開我們就覺得很多資訊是可以公開可是最後審議部的這個報告結果出來之後那該提供給大家去了解的我想我們的態度是開放的\n473168\t475858\t好那就請部長跟所有同仁繼續努力好謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"非常感謝主席能夠讓我有機會利用時間再接續來請教部長也謝謝我們市召委給我這個機會我們就請部長主席我可以請部長來質詢嗎\n今天我就針對這個強化育兒跟老人照顧的部分來就教一下部長早上部長已經把這個部裡面的很多業務都做了非常充分的說明就開始針對這個彈性育嬰假的部分其實事辦結果在3月3號部長也做了說明結果不如預期主要原因是因為大家其實更期待的是有關於這個更彈性的部分\n希望能夠讓它運用更方便另外針對六指停薪又擔心這個行政程序太匆忙無法完成這個這些缺失我相信大家一開始其實也都了解所以如果有機會再試辦的話能不能根據這些問題做一些建議包括我們所看到的\n把這個產價賠產價還有等等的這些都能夠當作一個生產預備價來做調控另外就是如果婦女她以在一定週數以上有流產的話其實她心情已經非常不好那能不能也把她納為這個保障的範圍\n另外也可以提供更有彈性的育嬰架那在這個過程裡面有一些有新彈性育嬰架的這個補助的可能性這是我們期待在下一波如果能夠再試辦的話能夠處理的那當然我們也希望擴大試辦的範圍包括能不能夠考慮接受政府將補助或者是抵減稅的這些企業都能夠來參加這份部長\n因為這個關於照顧固體質的議題其實很多委員都非常關心那我們現在也在去年的事辦的經驗之下做出檢討那確實現在整個檢討的方向就是希望能夠在相關的包括請假包括\n留庭等等的制度上面怎麼更大的提高他的彈性那讓這些相關的制度對於需要的可能也不只是婦女也包括有些部分也是先生也會用到那就是夫妻雙方\n都可以覺得這個可以更好用所以普及率可以更高那這部分是我們現在的方向那這個方向就是希望說能夠去兼顧讓這個我們的勞工朋友他不用要去為了要照顧對家庭的照顧對小朋友的照顧而必須要離開職場那這對我們的勞動力的缺乏也不是好事\n是 其實同樣的很多人也很關心這個國定假日調整的部分我們期待就是在這個研議的過程裡面是針對這些休假制度的調整是對勞工最有利的方向來演繹那這部分再麻煩部長持續來多關注跟了解謝謝這是有關於第一部分\n那再過來就是財務法通過以後其實對勞保財務相對應該是受到蠻大的影響包括這個中央可能會少的3700億可以運用的部分會影響到這個勞保的撥補那如何來應用這樣的困難我們也知道目前這個勞保撥補還不是法定的義務支出\n所以目前也不希望說透過修法去調降企務那未來有沒有考慮勞保撥補能夠入法把它變成一個法定義務支出我想其實現在在財化法的這樣子之下如果這個這樣子修訂後的財化法真的我說如果如果他真的上路執行確實中央整體的財源會有很大的限制跟限縮那勞保的\n撥補確實現在不是法定義務支出但是我想政府會一直是秉持著我們會負最終支付責任的政策的目前的政策的態度就是這樣只是確實現在會對於說因為像去年我們是撥了今年114年是撥了1300億\n那包括疫後的部分是1300億整體是1300億可是在財務法如果真的上路執行後還能不能維持這樣的水位這個是我們會比較擔心的事情是好那我們就麻煩部長持續再往這邊對至少這個勞工但至少政策的態度上面還是會是政府政府是在是會負最後的責任態度上面政策上面現在就是這樣是對可是我們確實會會有財務法通過後的擔心\n好那再過來就是有關護理人力的缺失大家都很期待趕快有好的一些人力可以來進行這個補充包括這個中階附著的人力的運用將來能不能夠盡速而落實那我也了解部長現在在跟歐湖部部長那邊已經有一些\n研擬的措施我們也期待能夠讓了解這個措施在未來執行的時候可以更便利因為這個會牽扯到未來開放80歲以上免糧表的部分如何能夠棄重責輕讓有需要照顧的這些長者他真的能夠得到好的照顧\n那如果還可以的話那就不一定要使用到這些我們的外勞的人力等等這個部分就麻煩部長這邊持續跟衛福部這邊來做一些持續的研議這是請部長來處理的\n那最後其實還有一點點時間也了解針對於這個就業安定基金的合理運用今天很多很多委員都非常的關心那如何有效管理其實大家最期待的那部長上任以後也面對這樣的困境做了非常多的努力\n那也期待這個就業安定基金的合理運用跟有效管理是可以讓國人能夠信賴而且是可以來支持的那這部分可不可以請部長再利用一點點時間來做更完整或進一步的說明關於就業安定基金我想未來的部分\n這個我們其實提出了一個精進把關的做法剛才其實很多委員也也也也有來去詢問那所以未來我們當然就會從用途面從管理面從資訊面來去更\n更有效的來去管理救安基因希望過去發生一些狀況一些爭議不要再發生那第二個是針對過去的部分那現在這個過去現在可能會被指教的一些案例或項目那現在審計部也正在查\n那剛剛其實也幾個委員有來說這個審計部查狀況最後我們當然會尊重審計部在審計工作裡面的判定那相關的資料在審計部他的結果出來之後但因為這個現在還在審計部的整個專案審計工作裡面那在這個結果出來之後我們當然也願意把我們的一些相關的回覆那\n如果需要提供的話再提供好那這個部分我相信部長如果透過審計部最後提供給我們了解或更多相關的這些運用的話我想國人就會更因為現在還在審計部的這個專案審計的過程裡面那對於資訊公開我們就覺得很多資訊是可以公開可是最後審議部的這個報告結果出來之後那該提供給大家去了解的我想我們的態度是開放的\n好那就請部長跟所有同仁繼續努力好謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.412 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03:12.995\n是其實同樣的很多人也很關心這個國定假日調整的部分我們期待就是在這個研議的過程裡面是針對這些休假制度的調整是對勞工最有利的方向來演繹那這部分再麻煩部長持續來多關注跟了解謝謝這是有關於第一部分\n\n03:13.596 --> 03:34.759\n那再過來就是財務法通過以後其實對勞保財務相對應該是受到蠻大的影響包括這個中央可能會少的3700億可以運用的部分會影響到這個勞保的撥補那如何來應用這樣的困難我們也知道目前這個勞保撥補還不是法定的義務支出\n\n03:35.399 --> 04:02.568\n所以目前也不希望說透過修法去調降企務那未來有沒有考慮勞保撥補能夠入法把它變成一個法定義務支出我想其實現在在財化法的這樣子之下如果這個這樣子修訂後的財化法真的我說如果如果他真的上路執行確實中央整體的財源會有很大的限制跟限縮那勞保的\n\n04:04.379 --> 04:18.866\n撥補確實現在不是法定義務支出但是我想政府會一直是秉持著我們會負最終支付責任的政策的目前的政策的態度就是這樣只是確實現在會對於說因為像去年我們是撥了今年114年是撥了1300億\n\n04:22.828 --> 04:49.500\n那包括疫後的部分是1300億整體是1300億可是在財務法如果真的上路執行後還能不能維持這樣的水位這個是我們會比較擔心的事情是好那我們就麻煩部長持續再往這邊對至少這個勞工但至少政策的態度上面還是會是政府政府是在是會負最後的責任態度上面政策上面現在就是這樣是對可是我們確實會會有財務法通過後的擔心\n\n04:52.301 --> 05:11.676\n好那再過來就是有關護理人力的缺失大家都很期待趕快有好的一些人力可以來進行這個補充包括這個中階附著的人力的運用將來能不能夠盡速而落實那我也了解部長現在在跟歐湖部部長那邊已經有一些\n\n05:12.336 --> 05:30.341\n研擬的措施我們也期待能夠讓了解這個措施在未來執行的時候可以更便利因為這個會牽扯到未來開放80歲以上免糧表的部分如何能夠棄重責輕讓有需要照顧的這些長者他真的能夠得到好的照顧\n\n05:31.041 --> 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